>>1790 >Join your local [crypto-Communist] activist group.
No thanks.
>The narrative is ours.
No, it certainly isn't. The narrative is mostly that of the controlled opposition... it is because we just sit there and let others create our movements, our platforms, our ideas, and represent our race.
'Democracy' has fucked up our mindset, we just let others fix our stuff.
>>1791 By the way, the problem lies with the leadership of NordFront as is almost always the case with these kinds of movements. The people joining it are maybe a bit too uncritical of the leadership but I think most of them are well-intentioned and honest people.
NordFront connections to the Russian Imperialist Movement >RIM=Russian Imperialist Movement
- Took a donation of $450 from the RIM (2016)
- Invited the RIM over to speak at the Nordic Days event (2016)
- Joined the World National Conservative movement
- Several of the NordFront members were sent to Russia to train with the RIM
>[crypto-Communist]
I think you mean National Socialist. And I don't think you know what that means.
>The narrative is ours.
<No, it certainly isn't.
My wording was mostly rhetorical. Of course we don't control it but it is more in our favor than it has been since the 1930's. At least where I live we can finally talk openly about shit that for just three years ago would have been a social death sentence.
>we just let others fix our stuff
That is precisely my point. We have for too many years just sat on our asses and done nothing. When the Great Deplatforming comes we need to have established dissident organizations. We can't rely on the anonymity of the internet forever. And our ability to affect reality from here is limited anyway.
>the problem lies with the leadership
What's wrong with it?
But even if I buy everything you say, if every movement is shit, that just means you need to start your own thing. No excuses.
>>1798 They pretend to be National Socialist but really aren't, this is clear if you listen to some of their interviews. They will positively cover anyone who 'did something good' or whatever movement is considered by them to be 'Nationalist'. They have positively covered Putin, Trump, and Dugin with barely any criticism and truth.
>it is more in our favor
Most of these groups are there to push for things like National Bolshevism, drive a wedge between whites (by sex, by age group, by knowledge ('normies')), or make us look desperate, foolish, and impulsive.
>We can't rely on the anonymity of the internet forever
Nor should we, I think one can achieve much more by flyering and talking to people than talking to people who already know much of this.
>that just means you need to start your own thing. No excuses.
Right, and there's still a very real oppurtunity by having a detailed exposition of these groups (there's still much information to be utilized) which will give oneself immediate credit (I imagine)
Also I think it should be targeted at the 'normal people' instead of the people who already are racially aware, or know the truth about historic facts etc. It is really fucking important there's a way too great disconnect between us and them, which is not in our favour.
Groups and figures who joined the World National-Conservative Movement: https://www.sova-center.ru/files/xeno/parties.pdf I have little knowledge on that 'Movement' but I think it might be a good place to start.
By the way if you have any idea how large this Jewish conspiracy against non-Jews (mostly Aryans now) is you'll have no problem accepting the idea that almost all of these groups do not have your best interest at heart (to put it mildly)
>>1800 >They pretend to be National Socialist but really aren't
You write in ignorance or you're lying. The leaders and members of the Nordic resistance movement were skeptical of Trump from day one and are far from uncritical of Putin. You're just spitting out bullshit. If they call themselves NatSoc and work for NatSoc ideals, who are you to say they're NazBol?
And it is much preferable to appear "desperate, foolish, and impulsive" than look like a passive coward. Or to not be known at all. This struggle isn't all about converting normies anymore. Soon we will hit the maximum potential growth by illuminating all potentially radicals. By then we need to have established enduring organizations. People look for strength.
>>1802 >I support all Nationalist movements that aren't Leftist Nationalist movements because the world as a whole really needs change
Simon Lindberg
>We're being criticized for writing articles about Dugin, Trump, Putin and other Nationalist leaders that are rising up
Andreas Johansson
They fucking call Dugin, Putin and Trump "Nationalist leaders" who will get NordFront's support because they call themselves "Nationalist".
So, no problem with a Crowley-worshipping Thelemite (Dugin), no problem with a Jew-loving president (Trump) or an Ex-KGB agent raised by Rabbis who was deeply saddened by the fall of the Soviet Union (which never fell). Just call yourself a non-Lefist Nationalist and you'll get the support from the NordFront leadership.
By the way, National Socialism is neither Left nor Right.
>>1805 Writing something positive about someone, or supporting someone, isn't the same as being uncritical. The Nordic resistance movement have the attitude that NatSoc is best for Nords but that it doesn't necessarily have to be best for every other people. As long as a foreign movement fight against Jews, and for whites, they will support them. Like with the Russian Imperial Movement who want a monarchy (which NMR most certainly don't want) but is supported by NMR anyway because they are true nationalists unlike Putin. But supporting someone isn't the same as adopting their ideas.
It's like you say: We shouldn't drive a wedge between whites. Why do you find a problem with solidarity between movements? To summarize: you discourage nationalist organization and you throw shit on absolutely everyone who does. Your criticism isn't even fair. You nitpick and misrepresent. It smells a lot like bullshit excuses. Man up and face the fact you're afraid to expose yourself.
>>1810 >Why do you find a problem with solidarity between movements?
Because they support quite some people and movements who are openly against Aryan* people (Dugin is a very clear example), who drive a wedge between us (Left-Right, Man-Woman, etc) among other things previously stated.
>you discourage nationalist organization
I cannot take the leadership of a movement seriously when they call figures like Putin, Dugin, and Trump "Nationalist" and support them because they assume they're Nationalist. And I think being Nationalist is a much too low barrier for support, I mean are they supportive of Israel because they're Nationalist and not Leftist?
* I want to quit using "White"
>>1811 First of all, you are really blowing this "support" of Putin, etc, way out of proportion. They like Putin because he isn't as shit as the rest of them. But that's it. They also state that these populist politicians aren't our saviors and that we have to have a national socialist revolution to save our race for real. So fucking drop it. You're misrepresenting these organizations you clearly know very little about. (You're not even using their correct name -- Nordfront is the site, the organization is called the Nordic resistance movement. Unofficially NMR.) Our people is dying and your excuse for not joining the struggle is that some natsoc leaders doesn't use quite the right semantics for your taste? They openly criticize these populist figures for not having the true solutions and for not being pro-white enough, but because they once called these nationalist (which they are, in a sense of the word), you can't take them seriously? I can't take you seriously. How can you value semantics over the survival of your race? If you met these activists in person you'd realize they not only have whites' best interest in mind but also possess the spirit to back up their beliefs with action. No matter the risk to their own selves.
Here's a thought: If your aversion to joining the struggle is based on ideological differences, why not join temporarily? If your fears are confirmed you can just leave. But I think you'll find you will be proven wrong. However I'm quite certain you wouldn't do it. Because you don't really care about this shit you're arguing. It's just excuses because you don't want to put skin in the game. Everyone who don't organize have their own shit excuse. "Muh job", "muh family", etc. I've been there too. You just gotta take a little leap. It's worth it.
The problem with these movements is that do close to 0 recruiting so the people who join are mostly people who searched for the group.
A smart group would task each member to recruit people from their personal lives. It would have a set of tests in a form or relatively innocent questions which would determine if the person is a viable candidate.
Nordic resistance movement is screwed because it implements all the "nazi" imagery aka making themselves look like brown shirts while holding a weak cucked ideology. They might as well go out as full blown race realists if their appearance already chases normies away.
>>1824 You're using others to guilt the organization by association. Please use real arguments.
>>1826 Which imagery? Did they wear soft shell jackets in the 1930's? And they fucking are race realists, what are you on about?
Anyway this is all irrelevant really. It annoys me that people who do nothing go to such lengths to throw shit at people who actually does something. But this thread isn't about any one particular organization. If all current organizations out there suck, go ahead and start your own. What's important is that people organize. Without organization we have no power. Without power we can't seize opportunities. It is our duty as enlightened men to do what is right.
>>1827 >Please use real arguments.
Controlled opposition groups such as the DailyStormer or TheRightStuff do not just promote or get involved with any group. But besides that I'd have to look a bit more into Nordic Frontier, though I get a sense they are dividing people up into sex, degree of knowledge, and being on the Left or Right (National socialism is neither).
>If all current organizations out there suck, go ahead and start your own
I fully agree, as I said before I think there are real opportunities still. And no, you don't necessarily need to have a flag or adopt any existing ideology really, that also makes it much easier for people to dismiss a group that adopts an existing ideology than having your own ideals or morals.
>What's important is that people organize.
It is, I'm not trying to discourage people from organizing but there are so many traps laid for us that it becomes quite hard to do so.
I am a social pariah so i can't form my own group nor would i trust myself with running one. It's ridiculous that we have to even organize over something that should be common sense.
My belief is that we simply can't organize because the average person still has it too well. Whenever i am open about my beliefs i receive so much hatred from my "fellow people" that i start to think they deserve to be raped and robbed by some African gang.
>It's ridiculous that we have to even organize over something that should be common sense.
Right, it really is. But people have been conditioned by to associate everything that's good, natural and logical with negativity and contempt.
>the average person still has it too well
Kind of, I wish my fellow people the best but I think the main problem is that they're distracted with work, entertainment, politics, and Jewish-created issues and lies.
>>1830 Oh no our people have been "conditioned" to think this way. It's not their fault at all. People enjoy being degenerates and race traitors which is why it is so hard to change them. White women who burn coal and white men who cook rice love what they are doing.
Sure propaganda did a lot of damage to us but most people are far from innocent and many do not deserve a second chance. People who racemix certainly not.
>>1831 You're right it's their (or our) fault as well, we are certainly not innocent victims (unless they are).
We should've been more critical, thinking longer-term, seen the bullshit lies for what they are, not blindly trust people/institutions to take our interest at heart, and we should have sticked to what's natural, beautiful, logical and good.
>>1829 >Whenever i am open about my beliefs i receive so much hatred from my "fellow people" that i start to think they deserve to be raped and robbed by some African gang.
That might be more to do with you and the fact that you are a self-described "social pariah". I've found that I can be reasonably open with my beliefs and still manage not to alienate people. You have to manage your power level depending on whom you're talking to, and sometimes it can take a while to tease out of somebody their true beliefs about race, the sickness of our current society, etc. Most normalfags are terrified of being outed as a racist or a bigot, but if you're patient with them you'd be amazed at what they'll tell you. For comparison, if you just go in guns blazing, full 1488, you'll just blow any chance you had of finding out what that person's true opinions are, because they will (rightfully) dismiss you as an anti-social fucktard and distance themselves from you permanently. I suspect that this is the root of your problem.
>>1829 >can't form my own group
We're not all meant to be leaders. I wouldn't be able to form a group either. That's why you should join an existing one. If you choose well you will receive dependable comrades and you will cease to concern yourself with the opinions of normies.
>can't organize because the average person still has it too well
No you have it backwards. We can't commit to violent revolution because the average person still has it too well. But not only can we organize; we must organize. Because when society flips and the average person's condition is turned to shit, then we need to stand ready and reach out to them. But that is only possible through established organization. And that process begins NOW. Internet-dissidents really underestimate how much time and effort it takes to build a functional group. There won't be a sudden "happening" from which revolution organically springs. Revolution, even under the most advantageous circumstances, requires thorough, lengthy preparation, deep trust and camaraderie. This takes hard work and time. Time we have now but won't have later.
>>1925 >We're not all meant to be leaders
You can lead simply by example or taking an initiative in something.
>dependable comrades
Hm, the only time I've heard people use "comrades" is when they imitate a communist. But whatever.
>we must organize
We do, it's incredibly important. And we really have a great tool for it, but it's not put to good use, at all (hint, the Internet).
>Internet-dissidents really underestimate how much time and effort it takes to build a functional group
>This takes hard work and time. Time we have now but won't have later.
I've been wasting too much time with side-projects, which I could have better spent on reaching out to people and organize also we really lack good/trustworthy platforms ran by honest people.
I'll see what I can do and how I can help.
Besides organizing on the Internet, I think flyering / offline propaganda/advertising is very important as well, because the Internet is quite controlled and most people live in a filter-bubble and that is not getting better.
>>1926 >comrade
>communist
Only in English. Comrade is the word used among Germanic nationalists. See "kamerad". Though it has historically been used by communists the word can easily be appropriated for nationalist purposes even in the Anglo-sphere. It's a powerful word.
>internet organization
Very powerful tool but can never truly replace irl. Great complement though as it enables recruiting beyond the social circles of current members.
>I'll see what I can do
Good man.
>entry requirements too strict for you
Yeah, my knowledge about political theory is not high enough. I could devote time to learn this stuff, but I'm honestly not that into politics at this point in my life and would rather be studying other things.
Don't want to make a new thread so I'll just post this here: https://nordicresistancemovement.org/?p=1519 The Nordic Resistance Movement has made an English website. Take it or leave it.
>>1824 >whites are either reactionaries or dumb just like niggers
Thanks for telling that to /pol/ faggies yourself.
>>1827 >shit organizing for shit ideals is better than nothing
That's what happen to troglodytes consumed by media.
>>1836 >Whenever i am open about my beliefs
That's where you fail. Deception is your friend.
>>1937 Wish I could apply, just to see if they are really elitist.
>>1830 >>they're distracted with work, entertainment, politics, and Jewish-created issues and lies
DA J00000000000000000000S (((they))) made me a faggot, totally not (((my))) fault
I met with people in my area from imageboards.
They are all nothing but trenchcoat wearing larpers, talking about evola and their weird ass gods and history.
Nothing about the current situation interests them even one bit.
It's always ww2, nothing more.
>>2047 The problem with channers is that even though they are knowledgeable, and sometimes even intelligent, they are very much content living degenerate lives in the safe and comfortable anonymity behind their screens. They are demoralized in the sense that they won't do anything productive in the struggle because that would make them vulnerable and uncomfortable. They will produce all manners of self deception to justify their behavior, or simply go into full irony mode and deconstruct all others' attempts at real action so they themselves feel better about their own sad state of complete passivity. And so they larp and argue all day long about meaningless issues. That's why I made this thread, to try and build a culture centered around actual struggle through organization and activism.
>>2051 On an anonymous imageboard.
When you know for sure that regulars who organize are brainwashed shits therefore it is meaningles unless we, anonymous, somehow organize despite all living different places.
Another problem is that nobody wants to start. comfy zone is comfy zone haha >>2047 >trenchcoat wearing larpers
>evola
>weird ass gods and history
>ww2
From which imageboards?
Were there at least some assaults and vandalism you homo shit?
>>2046 >they made me a faggot, totally not my fault
Sure, we've allowed it to happen, we've happily embraced the lifestyle they created for us, we are far from innocent and I never liked the lack of critical thinking of (almost all) people, nevertheless it's the Jewish conspiracy, consisting not only of Jews, who are pushing this shit onto people.
>DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
>Deception is your friend
>/pol/ faggies
GTFO, faggot. Go back to whatever shit-hole you came from.
>>2054 >we've happily embraced the lifestyle they created for us
speak for yourself, if I were to judge you from what you posted, I would say you are proud fag
You are living in a world of illusions, artificially created illusions. Have you forget the imagination is always your biggest weapon? Being enslaved by implanted thoughts.. Why, /pol/ faggie, are you such a polyp?
The problem with people itt is that you can only think linearly.
Our uniform is our skin, not Hugo Boss. Normalfags are being pushed into realizing this, and the work continues. The LARPers are a sideshow for the main event.
>>2059 This thread isn't about larping. It's about DOING something, as opposed to sitting at home intellectualizing, as nationalists of today are prone to do. This struggle won't be won by idly throwing red pills around until the promised Day of the Happening. That's not how things work. Victory will only be achieved through organized and premeditated action. It's about time we realize this. Some nations, like the US, are really lagging behind on this front. Without established and disciplined networks of command and trust we can never hope to exploit future opportunities that may arise. Individually we are weak. But building trust and effective organizations takes time. You must begin this work NOW.
>>1790 >join your local activist group
sadly, I've none. I'm a member and paying supporter of the New British Union, but that's as close as I've gotten to joining a political group I don't hate. My own country is fugged.
I'm gonna use this thread as containment for my Nordic Resistance Movement shilling. My hope and aim is that I'll inspire at least one of you to organize politically wherever you live. Becoming red pilled is only the first step. The second step is to organize, the third is to take action. Not taking action is to engage in defeatism. If you have questions (or objections) about the movement, I'm happy to discuss them. As a member of the organization I might be able to give you unique insight if you're interested. I'm not insisting on your support. Like mentioned I merely hope to inspire. This is for the survival of our race.
The land our forefathers fought, sweat and died for is collapsing around us. Its people, who were defended throughout history with immense self-sacrifice and blades of steel, now face their downfall and complete destruction within just a few decades. It is your passivity that makes this possible. Why don’t you do anything about it?
Your daughters, mothers and sisters are being raped and degraded every day. Your sons, fathers and brothers are being attacked and spat on. Drugs are being distributed to our children. Foreign gangs are taking over our city centers. You are letting this happen. Why don’t you act?
The corrupt politicians are players in the game. The media hush up what’s happening and are part of the attack. Celebrities and business leaders applaud the destruction to maximize their profits. It is up to you to draw the line. So why don’t you?
All over the world people are laughing at you. The feminized so-called white man, who lets himself be walked all over without resistance; and the brainwashed so-called white woman, who embraces her own eradication. You can rise up. When is enough enough?
This chaotic situation will not solve itself. The police and military are part of the system and won’t protect you. Voting won’t make a difference. We need a revolution. Take action!
Join the struggle and fight for our people’s survival and freedom together with us.
The revolution begins with you!
Copied from the link above, but with "Swedish" exchanged for "white" for broader relatability. Translation of picture text: "The revolution begins with you!"
>>2136 How about reading the thing and tell me what exactly you find objectionable? Instead of blindly throwing shit. And your (one and only) argument is retarded. Do you also renounce Hitler because Gandhi spoke well of him?
>>2134 I'm reading this now. Seems reasonable. It can be argued that they are cucked, slightly, on some matters such as the retainment of shitskins, but overall they are far better than any alternative. Certainly better than (((Trump))) and co.
How much support do they have in their countries?
>>2138 Don't know the exact membership number but it's staring to become significant. Four digits at least. And the movement isn't obscure any more. Ask any remotely informed Nordic person and they will know us and our symbol. The public is at large negative against the organization but their opinion is creeping closer and closer to NatSoc for each day that passes. People are really opening up, it's very noticeable. Every time we're on the streets normies approach us and thank us for our work. Of course, the entire establishment is hostile against us, including the (((nationalists))) in parliament. We're banned in Finland though this hasn't stopped or discouraged our Finnish activists in the slightest and most anticipate a ban in Sweden soon. Again, won't stop us.
Anyway, this is a daily reminder that it's time to activate yourselves politically. You don't understand what you're missing out on. You're not truly living until you're taking risks. If you don't expose yourselves now you will not be able to tell your grandchildren that you where there on the streets way before it was safe or socially acceptable. You won't be able to say you did your duty, no matter the cost, while all others shirked theirs. You won't be able to proudly state that YOU were part of the vanguard back in the National Socialist movement's infancy. You have nothing to lose, all to gain. Join the struggle.
>>1821 You seem like a honest person and you're right in that I don't know a whole lot about them. Though I'm learning and this is what I know so far:
- The DailyStormer has been promoting Nordic Frontier since November 2013 with 111 blog posts [1]
- Sent Nordic Frontier members to Russia to train with the Russian Imperial Movement (RIM)
- Took a donation from the RIM, invited the RIM to speak at the Nordic Days Event, and is listed together with RIM as being a member of the World National-Conservative Movement
- They wrote an article about Dugin without mentioning his anti-Aryan comments, him being a Crowley-worshipping Thelemite, and him being the founder of the National Bolshevik Party
- They call Trump, Dugin, and Putin "Nationalist leaders"
- They will cover anyone who 'did something good' or whatever movement is considered by them to be non-Leftist 'Nationalist'.
- They interviewed:
- Erik Striker (writes for the DailyStormer[2])
- Patrick Little (thinks Trump wants to name the Jew, conditionally want to support him)
- Matthew Heimbach (heavily covered by the MSM; supportive of Alexander Dugin)
- Lauritz Von GuildHausen (involved with TheRightStuff)
Reminder to join your local activist group if you haven't already. The narrative is ours. Now we must conquer the streets.