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Aryan History General Nanonymous No.1846 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>1875
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Thread dedicated to the history of the Aryans, I'll start with the Rig Veda:

Rig Veda references to the Aryans as being blondes
>"With him too is this rain of his that comes like herds: Indra throws drops of moisture on his yellow beard. When the sweet juice is shed he seeks the pleasant place, and stirs the worshipper as wind disturbs the wood."
>Indra - 10.23.4

>"At the swift draught the Soma-drinker waxed in might, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair. He, Lord of Tawny Coursers, Lord of fleet-foot Mares, will bear his Bay Steeds safely over all distress."
>Indra - 10.96.8

>"O Lord of all men, fair of cheek, rejoice thee in the gladdening lauds, Present at these drink-offerings."
>Indra - 1.9.3

>"He, much invoked, hath slain Dasyus and Simyus, after his wont, and laid them low with arrows. The mighty Thunderer with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, the sunlight, and the waters."
>Indra - 1.100.18

>"Sing, with oblation, praise to him who maketh glad, who with Rjisvan drove the dusky brood away. Fain for help, him the strong whose right hand wields the bolt, him girt by Maruts we invoke to be our Friend."
>Indra - 1.101.1

According to the Rigveda, the leader of the "Aryan invasion" was one Indra, and his role in ‘slaying the Dasyus’ (the Negroids in India, the Dravidians) is prominent:
>"Thou, Indra, art the destroyer of all the cities, the slayer of the Dasyus, the prosperer of man, the lord of the sky."
>Rigveda, Book 8, Indra 87.6 (8.LXXXVII.6) [ Muir I.175 ]

>"Indra, the slayer of Vrittra, the destroyer of cities, has scattered the Dasyu (hosts) sprang from a black womb." *
>Rigveda, Book 2, Indra 20.6 (2.XX.7) [ Muir I.174 ]

>"He was praised for destroying "the Dasyans and protected the Aryan colour."
>Rigveda, Book 2, Indra 34.9 (III.34.9) [ Anna. 114 ]

>"the thunderer who bestowed on his white friends the fields, bestowed the sun, bestowed the waters."
>Rigveda, Book 1, Indra 100.18 (I.C.18) [ Anna. 114 ]

>"Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin." *
>Rigveda, Book 1, Indra 130.8 (I.CXXX.8) [ Anna.114 ]

The Aryans viewed the black skin (Krishnam Vacham [Sanskrit]), Dravidians, distastefully and with abhorrence:
>"Black skin is impious" (Dasam varnam adharam [Sanskrit])
>Rigveda, Book 2, Indra 12.4 (2.XXII.4) [ Muir Pt.I, p.43, II, p.284, 323 etc. ] >[ Anna. 114 ff ]

>"the swarthy skin which Indra hates."
>Rigveda, Book 9, Soma Pavamana 73.5 (9.LXXIII.5) [ Griff ]

>"the black skin, the hated of Indra"
>Rigveda, Book 9, Soma Pavamana [ RgV.IX.73.5 ] - don't know the translation Kemp is using as it is above by Griffith. Kemp page 65

>"the vile Dasyan colour." *
>Rigveda, Book 2, Indra 20.7, 12.4 (2.XX.7, 2.XII.4) [ Anna. 115 ]

The Aryans were referred to as driving the Dravidians away:
>"He, self-reliant, mighty and triumphant, brought low the dear head of the wicked Dāsa."
>Rigveda, Book 2, Indra 20.6 (2.XX.6) [ Griff: book 2, hymn XX Indra, 6 ]

>"Active and bright have they come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls, driving the black skin far away."
>Soma Pavamana - 9.41.1

>The sacrificer poured out thanks to his god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent", and for stamping out "the vile Dasyan colour."
>[ Rg.V. II.20.7, II.12.4 ] [ Anna. 115 ]

>"O'er Sire and Mother they have roared in unison bright with the verse of praise, burning up riteless men, Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates."
Soma Pavamana - 9.73.5

>"stormy gods who rush on like furious bulls and scatter the black skin."… "the black skin, the hated of Indra" will be swept out of heaven.
>[ RgV.IX.73.5 ]

>"Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu, he conquered the black skin."
>[ Rg.V. I.130.8 ] [ Anna.114 ] as below?

>"Indra in battles help his Aryan worshipper, he who hath hundred helps at hand in every fray, in frays that win the light of heaven. Plaguing the lawless he gave up to Manu's seed the dusky skin; Blazing, 'twere, he burns each covetous man away, he burns, the tyrannous away."

>"[Indra] made the impious varNa of the dAsas lower and hidden."
>[ RV. II.12.4 ]

>"Thou to the son of Vidathin, Rjisvan, gavest up mighty Mrgaya and Pipru. Thou smotest down the swarthy fifty thousand, and rentest forts as age consumes a garment."
Indra - 4.16.13

>"One car-wheel of the Sun thou rolledst forward, and one thou settest free to move for Kutsa. Thou slewest noseless Dasyus with thy weapon, and in their home o'erthrewest hostile speakers." ("Noseless Dasyus" would suggest a reference to flat nosed Negroid types)
>Indra - 5.29.10

>"Thou, a hero, a benefactor, hast impelled the character of man; victorious, thou hast burnt up the rite-less Dasyu, as a vessel is consumed by a blaze"
>[ RgV. I.175.3 ] [ Muir I.174 ]

>"Ye mighty ones [ Asvins ] what do you do there; why do you stay there among the people who are held in high esteem through not offering sacrifices; ignore them, destroy the life of the Panis"
>[ RgV I.83.3 ] [ S+T.365 ]

>"He, much invoked, hath slain Dasyus and Simyus, after his wont, and laid them low with arrows. The mighty Thunderer with his fair-complexioned friends won the land, the sunlight, and the waters."
>Indra - 1.100.18

>"Sing, with oblation, praise to him who maketh glad, who with Rjisvan drove the dusky brood away. Fain for help, him the strong whose right hand wields the bolt, him girt by Maruts we invoke to be our Friend."
>Indra - 1.101.1

>"Armed with his bolt and trusting in his prowess he wandered shattering the forts of Dasas. Cast thy dart, knowing, Thunderer, at the Dasyu; increase the Arya's might and glory, Indra."
>Indra - 1.103.3

>"For him who thus hath taught these human races, Maghavan, bearing a fame-worthy title, Thunderer, drawing nigh to slay the Dasyus, hath given himself the name of Son for glory."
>Indra - 1.103.4

Nanonymous No.1847 [D][U][F] >>2383
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Books by Laurence Austine Waddell
The Phoenician Origin of Britons, Scots & Anglo-Saxons (1924 - 1st. edition)
https://archive.org/details/ThePhoenicianOriginOfBritonsScotsAnglo-saxons1924-1st.Edition

Aryan Origin of the Alphabet (1927)
https://archive.org/details/WADDELL-Aryan_Origin_of_the_Alphabet

The British Edda (1930)
https://archive.org/details/Waddell-TheBritishEdda

Egyptian Civilization: Its Sumerian Origin and Real Chronology (1930)
https://archive.org/details/EgyptianCivilizationItsSumerianOriginAndRealChronology

The Indo-Sumerian Seals Deciphered (1925)
https://archive.org/details/TheIndo-sumerianSealsDeciphered1925

Nanonymous No.1848 [D]

<Aryans invaded India
>The Aryan Invasion Theory: The Final Nail in its Coffin
https://www.stephen-knapp.com/aryan_invasion_theory_the_final_nail_in_its_coffin.htm

Nanonymous No.1849 [D][U][F] >>1851
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Ancient blue-eyed blonde-, red-haired people

Jews (ISIS) destroying history Nanonymous No.1850 [D][U][F] >>1870 >>2106
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By the way Jews are actively physically destroying "our history"* through their proxy army ISIS. Might interesting to look into.
Here's a short list of stuff they have destroyed so far (pic attached is the "Ain Dara" Hittite "temple"):

>2014-05: ISIS smashed a 3,000-year-old neo-Assyrian statue from Tel Ajaja. Later reports indicated that over 40% of the artifacts at Tel Ajaja (Saddikanni) were looted by ISIS.
>2014-12: Parts of the Tal Afar Citadel were blown up by ISIS causing extensive damage
>2015: the face of the Winged Bull of Nineveh was damaged
>2015-01: reportedly destroyed large parts of the Nineveh Wall in al-Tahrir neighborhood of Mosul
>2015-02-26: ISIS ordered the destruction of various ancient artifacts in the Mosul Museum. The affected artefacts originate from the Assyrian era and from the ancient city of Hatra. The video in particular shows the defacement of a granite lamassu statue from the right side of the Nergal Gate by a jackhammer
>2015-03-05: ISIS reportedly started the demolition of Nimrud, an Assyrian city from the 13th century BC. The local palace was bulldozed, while lamassu statues at the gates of the palace of Ashurnasirpal II were smashed.[48] A video showing the destruction of Nimrud was released in April 2015
>2015-03-07: ISIS had begun the bulldozing of Hatra,[50][51][52] which has been under threat of demolition after ISIS had occupied the adjacent area. The next day ISIS sacked Dur-Sharrukin, according to a Kurdish official from Mosul, Saeed Mamuzini
>2015-03-07: ISIS had begun demolishing the ruins of Hatra
>2015-04: ISIS destroyed the remnants of the 12th-century Bash Tapia Castle in Mosul
>2015-06-27: ISIS demolished the ancient Lion of Al-lāt statue in Palmyra. Several other statues from Palmyra reportedly confiscated from a smuggler were also destroyed by ISIS
>2015-08-23: ISIS had blown up the 1st-century Temple of Baalshamin
>2015-08-30: ISIS demolished the Temple of Bel with explosives. Satellite imagery of the site taken shortly after showed almost nothing remained
>2015-09-03: ISIS also destroyed seven ancient tower tombs in Palmyra since the end of June over two phases.[61] The last phase of destruction occurred between August 27 and September 2, 2015, including the destruction of the 2nd-century AD Tower of Elahbel, called "the most prominent example of Palmyra's distinct funerary monuments". Earlier, the ancient tombs of Iamliku and Atenaten were also destroyed
>2015-10: The Monumental Arch was also blown up
>2016-03: retreating ISIS fighters blew up parts of the 13th-century Palmyra Castle, causing extensive damage
>2016-04: Further parts of the Nineveh Walls, including the Mashka and Adad Gate, were blown up
>Undated: In the Syrian city of Raqqa, ISIS publicly ordered the bulldozing of a colossal ancient Assyrian gateway lion sculpture from the 8th century BC. Another lion statue was also destroyed. Both statues originated from the Arslan Tash archaeological site. The destruction was published in the ISIS magazine, Dabiq. Among the lost statues are those of Mulla Uthman al-Mawsili, of a woman carrying an urn, and of Abu Tammam.
>Undated: ISIS has also looted and demolished the Parthian/Roman city of Dura-Europos in east of Syria. Nicknamed "the Pompeii of the desert", the city was of particular archaeological significance.
>Undated: ISIS has burned or stolen collections of books and papers from various locations, including the Central Library of Mosul (which they rigged with explosives and burned down),[70] the library at the University of Mosul, a Sunni Muslim library, a 265-year-old Latin Church and Monastery of the Dominican Fathers, and the Mosul Museum Library. Some destroyed or stolen works date back to 5000 BC and include "Iraq newspapers dating to the early 20th century, maps and books from the Ottoman Empire, and book collections contributed by about 100 of Mosul’s establishment families." The stated goal is to destroy all non-Islamic books.

Nanonymous No.1851 [D][U][F]
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>>1849
Blue-eyed Buddhas

Nanonymous No.1870 [D][U][F]
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>>1850
>"Ain Dara" Hittite "temple"
Forgot that that one was destroyed by an Turkish air-strike, not ISIS. They fucking destroyed it even though there's barely anything surrounding it so there's no excuse that they were targeting "terrorists" or something.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/29/turkish-bombing-damages-3000-year-old-temple-northern-syria/

Tracing Swastikas Nanonymous No.1871 [D][U][F]
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This is the oldest Swastika I could find, its carbon-dated at 15,000 years ago and found in "the Palaeolithic settlement of Mezin" in Ukraine:
>If you want to see just how deeply rooted the swastika pattern is in Europe, a good place to start is Kiev where the National Museum of the History of Ukraine has an impressive range of exhibits.
>Among the museum’s most highly prized treasures is a small ivory figurine of a female bird. Made from the tusk of a mammoth, it was found in 1908 at the Palaeolithic settlement of Mezin near the Russian border.
>On the torso of the bird is engraved an intricate meander pattern of joined up swastikas. It’s the oldest identified swastika pattern in the world and has been radio carbon-dated to an astonishing 15,000 years ago. The bird was found with a number of phallic objects which supports the idea that the swastika pattern was used as a fertility symbol.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29644591
(Couldn't find a better source ...)

Solutreans Nanonymous No.1872 [D][U][F]
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Small excerpt from the a 2002 BBC documentary[1] on the Solutreans in America
>[@41:38] It seemed that now there could be no more doubt, some of the earliest Americans were really from Europe, the DNA proofed it. And so it is now possible to tell a quite different story about the first settlement of America, and one which makes sense of all the evidence.
[1]: https://dailymotion.com/video/x2260zo

Kennewick Man Nanonymous No.1873 [D][U][F] >>1875
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Transcript of a small clip[1] of a Discovery documentary which featured Jim Chatters on the Kennewick Man:
>Kennewick Man's age is nothing but mind-boggling, he's over 9000 years old, a man who lived before 7000 BC and one of the oldest and most complete Americans ever found. And yet, Kennewick Man is a puzzle, scientists have long believed that the first and oldest Americans were Native Americans. With its unusual features, Kennewick Man doesn't look like a Native American.
>[...] Little do they know, this skull would take us thousands of years back in time and forever change our notion of who were the first Americans. [...] [Inaudible name] brings the skull to Forensic Anthropologist Jim Chatters
[Chatters] This is a first glance so I don't have a sense of time on him all I have is just his physical features to work with, the bone is in very good condition, good sound and doesn't(?) show a lot of weathering or dissolution or anything so it appeared to be relatively young because of that. Very long narrow brain case, very distinct brow, and a nose that just jumps of his face, very pronounced nose. These are all charecteristics you more often see on Western Eurasian skeletons, European skeletons.
>[Narrator] The skull appears European not Native American

The skeletal remains were seized by the U.S. government before more research could be done on it, Native Americans claimed it was theirs without any proof whatsoever.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKoQGebK0jo (transcript from 1:24)

Nanonymous No.1874 [D][U][F]
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Front-view of the Kennewick Man skull.
They seriously claim it is Native American, fuckers.

Nanonymous No.1875 [D][U][F] >>1878 >>1879 >>2115 >>2116
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>>1846
Do you have any material on how the Aryans got kicked out and replaced with shitskins?
Sorry if it's in there already, I'm not good at deciphering biblespeak.
>>1873
>he's over 9000 years old
Kek

Nanonymous No.1878 [D]

>>1875
>Do you have any material on how the Aryans got kicked out and replaced with shitskins?
No, I don't, I'm interested in that as well.
It is uncertain how old the Rigveda is, many of the dates given to it are the dates at which the texts were composed but they were likely much older because of the astronomical references which coincide with a much earlier time (ranges from 4000 to 12,000 BC). I need to look into this more.

Nanonymous No.1879 [D][U][F]
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>>1875
Should have added it to my response but why are you posting an one-eyed ex-KBG agent raised by Rabbis? Communism never fell by the way and Putin was deeply saddened by the "fall of the Soviet Union."

Nanonymous No.2099 [D] >>2100 >>2101 >>2103

Imagine being so retarded that you think Europeans are Aryans because a incestual autistic German said it.

>Rig Veda references to the Aryans as being blondes
Ancient Iranians did not have blonde hair. Deal with it, you fucking mongoloid.

Nanonymous No.2100 [D]

>>2099
Most Aryans had blonde hair and blue eyes, the Aryan parent race did not, deal with it you nigger.
>Ancient Iranians did not have blonde hair
Ok ... ?

Nanonymous No.2101 [D]

>>2099
Jen, please.

Nanonymous No.2103 [D]

>>2099

Nanonymous No.2106 [D][U][F] >>2107 >>2108 >>2109
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>>1850
To be honest, it's a pity something like archiving historical buildings etc even exist. They should restore them and use them for something instead of making it spectacle for amerimutts and yurofags.
Another problem, not symptomatic like the first one, but reason why first one exists, is that all modern/ist architectural teachings are completely rootless, minimalistic and inhumane. Brutalism was one of the worst things that ever happened and worldwide socialism too, and, why not after all, all the authoritarian regimes that preach the utilitarian gospel.
Also reminder that architecture is literally man raping earth; it's the very projection of power.

Nanonymous No.2107 [D][U][F]
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>>2106
one of the few examples of brutalism done acceptably
Congreso de la Unión based aztecs

Nanonymous No.2108 [D] >>2111

>>2106
>it's a pity something like archiving historical buildings etc even exist
FUCK YOU

Nanonymous No.2109 [D] >>2111

>>2106
>instead of making it spectacle for amerimutts and yurofags
For fucks sake, what are you if you're not a European or European American, for whom should this be restored and preserved then if not the Europeans who left Northern-India a long time ago? The mixed-race Indians who have almost nothing to do with that ancient history besides living where the ancient Aryans used to live? Seriously fuck off, you're adding nothing of value and you have no reason to be here.

Nanonymous No.2110 [D][U][F]
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The history of Aryan rule in India from the earliest times to the death of Akbar (1918)
>By Havell, E. B. (Ernest Binfield), 1861-1934

https://archive.org/details/historyofaryanru00have

Nanonymous No.2111 [D] >>2112

>>2108
>too retarded to argument
And of fuckin course it is pity, it just shows how incapable indsutrialism/post-industrialism is when it comes to creation with artistic merit.
I'm not exactly against it, rather against that it
1) needs to be archived, that we even talk about it, that it's somehow considered as something special
2) that when it is archived, it's just part of capitlaistic fuckery
3) that it associates architecture with past
The whole fuckin mindset behind it is fucked. There should be no fuckin need to "archive" historical buildings, it should be automatic and if in places with population, then buildings should be restored and used. Also reminder that nobody ever gave a fuck about some shitold rubbles until now. If they did, they built something in their opinion better or reflecting what was there before.
FUCK YOU
>>2109
>amerimutts
>yurofags
>mutts
>fags
<tourists

Nanonymous No.2112 [D]

>>2111
Thanks for the clarification I thought you were against the act of archiving. Excuse me.

Nanonymous No.2114 [D]

I don't know much about India or it's history but i assume the Indian population must be a mixture of two different "races" or subspecies of man.You can see it in how different Indians look from one another, almost like Arabs who mixed with Sub Saharan Africans do.

Nanonymous No.2115 [D] >>2117

>>1875
They weren't kicked out, they racemixed themselves out. The Aryans were never numerous enough to completely replace the more densely populated southern lands. So they just imposed themselves as the ruling class but obviously didn't go to enough lengths to keep their bloodlines pure (though they sure tried in places like Persia and India). Maybe that should be a lesson going forward.

Nanonymous No.2116 [D] >>2117

>>1875
Recent research shows that Indians got just a small genetic influence from the early Aryans
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/31/292581.full.pdf

However they got replaced in Central Asia by Turkic people (who seem to be just a branch of Siberian Mongols) in the Iron Age
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325047876_137_ancient_human_genomes_from_across_the_Eurasian_steppes
https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/ncomms14615_0.pdf

Also a new population has been documented in North-Eastern Siberia, they cluster mostly with West-Eurasians and got replaced by East Asian-related population somewhere 20k-10k years ago

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/10/22/448829.full.pdf

Nanonymous No.2117 [D]

>>2115
Pretty much, yes.
>>2116
Thanks for those references.

Nanonymous No.2320 [D][U][F] >>2336 >>2337
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>"kicked out"
>picrel
From Punjab and Gujarat to Maharashtra and Bengal from 60% to 30% of men have R1a paternal haplogroup. They are direct descendants of one of two proto-Indo-European ancestral clans, which corresponds with Pre-Proto-Indo-Iranian migrating from Central-Eastern Europe to Central Asian steppe. If you check higher castes, the ratio is even higher, sometimes higher than even most Indo-European peoples in Europe - Poles, Belarusians and Western Russians.
And that is just Y-haplogroup, autosomal DNA is another thing entirely and also shows how Northern Indians have large amount of of their genes inherited directly from Eastern European nomads. It follows a cline pattern, with Northern Indians of Kashmir and Punjab having the highest ratio of Steppe origin DNA that gradually lower the more South you go.


However, original Indo-European were checked to have had brown hair and brown eyes. Fair eyes and hair come from conquered Paleo-Europeans of Central and Northern Europe, whose assimilated women were included into the Pre-Proto-Indo-Iranian community. As I recall, there are no specifically Paleo-European male bloodlines among Northern Indians like I1, I2 or G2, basically zero, so it means fair hair and eyes came from conquered Paleo-Euro women.

Also note how India has far larger R1a ratio than Iran, although Iran was always much less populous than India and should have been more thoroughly replaced in male ancestry. Which seems to imply that Persian were more of incoming invaders recruiting locals into their culture and/or just taking govt positions for themselves leaving the rest intact like Persians tended to do. While Indians found a dying Harappan civilization, demolished what was left of it and started anew.


Bonus note, all South Asian R1a clans come from R1a-Z93 branch, Indians mostly of R1a-M780 sub-branch. That is, their men have one common ancestor.
R1a-Z93 itself branched from the common R1a-M417, the common source for Slavic male R1a DNA (also present wherever Balto-Slavs historically reached, like modern Germany). You can see oldest found R1a-Z93 and R1a-M417 remnants on the map.

tl;dr Modern Pajeet is still unironically more of an Aryan than practically any Westerner west of Poland. Then come the Northern Slavs. Everyone else is not Aryan, but a LARPer.


Nanonymous No.2335 [D] >>2336

>Fair eyes and hair come from conquered Paleo-Europeans of Central and Northern Europe
Not really
First of all, Paleo Europeans were replaced by Mesolithic HGs somewhere 12 000 years BC
Paleo Europeans were 0% blonde and didn't have light eyes
About Mesolithic Hunter gatherers, 1/39 of them had blonde hair. In Early Anatolian Farmers 2/22 had blonde hair. In Yamnaya/Afanasievo 0/13 had blonde hair, while Yamnaya/Afanasievo were also ~20% CHG, while one Bell Beaker sample from Hungary (which was 90% Yamnaya, 10% WHG) had red hair. From Khvalynsk samples, 1/1 had dark blonde hair (while Khvalynsk was mixed with 15% WHG).
Highest number of blonde hair was found in hybrid cultures of EEF+WHG in North Eastern Europe, for example in Globular Amphora (5/5) and in Funnelbeaker (2/3) (which was about 60% EEF + 40% WHG/EHG mix), while it was also common in Peloponnese Neolithic (2/4) (which were similar to Anatolian Neolithic samples). However genetically similar cultures to Globular Amphora/Funnelbeaker in Spain and France had only dark hair.
Later blonde hair was found in Corded Ware and similar samples (Andronovo/Battle-Axe/Srubnaya/Sintashta) where 6/24 had dark blonde hair, while 3/24 had light blonde hair
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/

Nanonymous No.2336 [D]

>>2335
For
>>2320

Nanonymous No.2337 [D] >>2338

>>2320
>tl;dr Modern Pajeet is still unironically more of an Aryan than practically any Westerner west of Poland. Then come the Northern Slavs. Everyone else is not Aryan, but a LARPer.
That's completely false
Scandinavians and North-Western Europeans are about 50% Yamnaya (and 17% WHG and 33% EEF) while French about 36% Yamnaya and Sicilians/Greeks are about 25%
Pajeets are max 25% Aryan, rest of it is native Indian + CHG.
Here are autosomal comparisons of ancient genomes with modern genomes
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2018/03/03/k-14-admixture-analysis-of-ancient-southeastern-european-genomes/
You can't tell real ancestry from haplogroups

Nanonymous No.2338 [D] >>2340

>>2337
Curious. So while light eyes were inherited from WHG people, blond and red hair seem to have arisen independently in different populations of Central Europe-Anatolia, then repeatedly selected for. Prized mates, perhaps?

Also
>You can't tell real ancestry from haplogroups
No need to cope, my White friend.
I specifically mentioned patrilinear descent from a patriarchal group of Steppe nomads that happened to have R1a and R1b haplogroups, of which specifically R1a males historically called themselves Aryans.
Autosomal DNA is nice, but Y-haplo shows direct descent from specific ancestors, unlike randomly recombined autosomal DNA. Eastern Europeans and North Indians overwhelmingly have that specific marker tied to specific clans of CWC culture, with some Iranian peoples and their genetic enclaves included.
Hence Northern Slavs and Northern Indians are unironically Aryan by blood via direct male descent. Other Europeans are at best ironically Aryan, but more like LARPyan.

Note, I didn't say Western Europeans weren't White or Indo-European. But not Aryans. They don't have common ancestry with real Aryans, unlike Balto-Slavs and maybe other groups now lost/assimilated.
Except like some 30% Norwegians from specific regions of Scandinavia. Certainly no Germans, except for assimilated Western Slavs in the East.

Nanonymous No.2340 [D][U][F] >>2343
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>>2338
>Curious. So while light eyes were inherited from WHG people, blond and red hair seem to have arisen independently in different populations of Central Europe-Anatolia, then repeatedly selected for. Prized mates, perhaps?
It seems so, there are some Komi people in Russia who have more light hair than Russians, while can be modelled as Russian + Siberian. Estonians and Finns can also be modelled as Lithuanians/Latvians + Siberian and have lighter pigmentation than both of these groups. Czech/Southern Polish and Slovaks are very similar to Scandinavians (by Autosomal DNA), while have quite different pigmentation.
However blue eyes were also found within Anatolian farmers and in one Levant Bronze Age sample (which also had red hair). There have been found mummies in Native America which had blonde and red hair and Native Americans can be modelled as 30% Mal'ta + 70% Southern Tungusic people, while these specific samples had something like +20% Mal'ta admixture
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/07/25/k-11-admixture-analysis-of-amerindians-and-eskimos/
Here are some pictures of the mummies
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/02/03/statuettes-of-the-white-gods/
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/04/19/more-proof-of-whites-in-ancient-peru-and-chile/
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/the-white-gods/
Also
>"Aryan" (/ˈɛəriən/)[1] is a term that was used as a self-designation by Indo-Iranian people
>Hazara people (who are Indo-Iranian) have 32% R1b

Nanonymous No.2342 [D][U][F] >>2343
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Have some OC about Aryan history

Nanonymous No.2343 [D][U][F] >>2447
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>>2340
Thanks for the info, made that picture a bit smaller with pngquant.
>>2342
*chuckles*

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This is pretty accurate tbh
Slavs are still the closest people to ancient Corded Ware people by autosomal DNA (while Balts are to Khvalynsk/EHG)
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=38378&s=42e5a9cd9b74090e225c2c47a263663e

Nanonymous No.2347 [D][U][F] >>2348 >>2363 >>2408
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>2340
Thank you for the links to the blog. While I don't agree with Genetiker's "We Wuz Hwite Gods n shieet", he provides interesting source materials.
Amerindians, being of comparable stock with Proto-Indo-Europeans and Uralics, could invent all they needed on their own.
Their currently pitiful state is probably related to Iberians killing their elites and taking the best women for themselves, plus all the massive plagues randomly ending bloodlines. Explaining everything with "Whitey did it" explains nothing.

I don't think Europe was a particularly nice place after Western Rome collapsing on its own and the Plague of Justinian offing half of Mediterranean in several years. Comparable to Aztec Mexico, if somewhat better off in tech.

Speaking of R1b. I'm more into linguistics than genetics, but find this most curious. Picrel, North-East America. Injuns of languages totally unrelated to anything Indo-European have R1b male bloodline.
Even though literal niggers around Chad lake speaking Hause have R1b too (not the Indo-European branch ofc), Amerindians having it is interesting.

>It is now the most common haplogroup after the various Q-M242, especially in North America, highest worldwide R1 rates among Great Lakes/Algonquian-speakers,[7] in Ojibwe people at 79%, Chipewyan 62%, Seminole 50%, Cherokee 47%, Dogrib 40% and Papago 38%. 97% of R1 had the M269 SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism), which defines haplogroup R1b1b

Nanonymous No.2348 [D] >>2360 >>2362 >>2363

>>2347
About R1 in Native Americans, I linked this research before in this thread.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/10/22/448829.full.pdf
It shows that haplogroup P1 men inhabited North Eastern Siberia from somewhere 40 000-20 000 years ago. They were replaced by East Asian-like population later somewhere 20 000-10 000 (who we call the modern Siberians). I think that R1 just got into America before haplogroup Q as this seems to be completely different branch of haplogroup R1
>While I don't agree with Genetiker's "We Wuz Hwite Gods n shieet", he provides interesting source materials.
I also noticed that these links I posted included his old theory about Gravettians and Aurignacians
>inb4 someone takes up his posts about Gravettians and Aurignacians
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/05/02/y-snp-calls-from-ice-age-europe
He stopped posting somewhere in 2018 (rumors on 8ch that German police forced him to stop)
I've been trying to run ADMIXTURE myself for few weeks but I can't find a way how to merge ancient datasets with modern ones from reichlab as the SNPs don't match

Nanonymous No.2360 [D] >>2362 >>2363

>>2348
I was partly unclear in my last post. The earliest haplogroup Q samples have been EHG, not Amerindian
Haplogroup P is ancestral to both haplogroup R and haplogroup Q. East Asian ancestry was brought to Siberia by haplogroup N, so haplogroup Q carriers must have taken wifes from East Asians (which makes up the Amerindian race)

Nanonymous No.2362 [D]

>>2348
>>2360
Female line is instrumental in language change and propagation.

Modern research shows that women lead language change, specifically high status highly communicative ones, which most other women begin to emulate. Next generation they teach it to their kids, and now Dad speaks some weirdo tongue, unlike Mom's proper speech. Males can emulate their fathers somewhat (which leads to male-female language styles split), but only some and so much. Men invent words for new things and may reinvent grammar paradigms when women had already messed up phonetics for previous to work, but much like genes, it is women who decide what to pass on. Kids always learn mother's tongue first, unless mother specifically decides to change it - and then you have language change due to contact, when mother's native language interferes with weird sounds or words.

Well documented male-only invasions, with no women speaking their language to reinforce it, lead to next generation speaking their mothers' language with slight changes. And you get Guarani mestizos in Paraguay or the whole Lingua Geral in Brazil. If not for Jesuit priests constantly importing Portuguese-Spanish there for centuries, it would had been Guarani and Tupi all along.
This is why gene flow is important, both male and female (why haploshitposting is fine, but insufficient). You can find literal Mongols with R1b that had probably been imported there by Tocharian migration over 4000 years ago to the Minusinsk plain and Sayan mountains. Several generations of taking East Asian wives and your grand-grandchildren are not only squinty-eyed black-haired just like your mystery waifu from Baikal forests, but also speak fluently that grandma-speak you barely understand nor ever cared much about.

Basques may be precisely such a thing - a remnant of maybe Beaker male-only migration to Garonne region. They would kill/displace local men and take local women, producing a generation of R1b heavy "Indo-Europeans" that learn their mothers' Aquitanian language first. Without IE women and surrounded by Aquitani-like peoples, even invaders will start speaking it if they ever want to communicate above "Me eat, Me fiki-fiki". Their children would speak Mom's language because they spent all their infancy and early childhood with them, that is proto-Basque, but would have father's culture to repel future invaders like Arabs or Franks. So it sticks. Maybe they would even speak some rudimentary North-West Indo-European with Dad, until Dad dies and they forget it for no further use. Constant reinforcing is necessary for language to survive, it dies in one generation otherwise - that's what it means for a language to be moribund, "bound to die".
The river Garonne has Basque etymology for one, the river Rocky. A male-only invasion would disappear so fast linguistically it would leave little to no linguistic trace, unlike genetic traces which make paleogenetics so interesting to paleolinguistics.

Nanonymous No.2363 [D][U][F] >>2364 >>2365 >>2368 >>2408
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>>2347
>>2360
Picrel is Gerhard Jaeger's work on mass lexicostatistical analysis. It is necessary incomplete, as machines can't compare grammar paradigms nor can't yet test for regular sound correspondences. And the algorithm thinks English is North Germanic due to NGer loanwords, not West Germanic. But still, an interesting read. His findings supposedly go as far as 12000BC or so, which corresponds with Last Glacial Age ending
Jaeger wasn't the first to find supposed similarities between IE and Chukotko-Kamchatkan.

Ironically enough, Chukchi had a reputation of fierce and insufferable raiders in both Asia and Alaska, so Russia waged three wars against Chukchi to protect their Yukaghir tributaries from raiding, until eventually getting Chukchi hooked up on vodka and hence pacified.
My Russian sources tell Chukchi are 50% N1a in male line, the rest being mostly C. Yet explorers noted that Chukchi were higher than their neighbours, with less pronounced East Asian eyes and some with very hairy faces like Ainu perhaps.

https://www.pnas.org/content/112/41/12752

So far skimming through the >>2348 link I found that Ancient Beringians diverged from East Asians about 30k years ago (funny enough close to N divergence from NO, so maybe correlated with N Siberians going north from China after diverging from O folks several thousand years previously). They would diverge from Amerindians by 25k years ago admixing with Ancestral North Siberian population there related to Mal'ta folks and (hence possible links between Chukotian, Uralic and IE? maybe? 25k is fucking long ago, who knows).

25k is also the prime age of Last Glacial Maximum. North-East Asia didn't have glaciers due to very dry winds, but was still a frigid steppe-tundra populated by hairy megafauna, cut off from Western Eurasia by both sand and snow deserts in a cross manner going roughly through Angara river highlands and Baikal area to Tibet.
So perhaps Paleosiberians were a mixture of N Ancient Beringians with some ANS population related to ANE.
Wonder where it leaves PIE, which seems to be related to various Siberian languages linguistically yet genetically Eastern European Mesolithic, and how it got there.

Nanonymous No.2364 [D][U][F] >>2408
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>>2363
LGM climate and vegetation areas. Eurasia would be split in two by a belt of very dry deserts, both cold and hot, cementing Europeoid and Mongoloid split. Though North Eurasian hunters would probably migrate here and there following megafauna herds, dem peoples can survive through so much frigid shit.

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>>2363
Interestingly, Chukchis are however less related to Europeans by genetics than Amerindians are. You can model Chukchis (and the rest of Beringians/Eskimos/Greenlanders) by Amerindian + Northern Tungusic people
Eskimos have mostly Y-DNA haplogroup Q while Chukchis have 59% haplogroup N and 21% haplogroup P, 16% haplogroup Q, 4% haplogroup R1a and haplogroup C
So by their male lineage, they are 63% East Asian-related and 37% EHG-related, while by Autosomal DNA, they are 85% East Asian-related and 15% EHG-related

Nanonymous No.2367 [D]

>Eskimos have mostly Y-DNA haplogroup Q while Chukchis have 59% haplogroup N and 21% haplogroup P, 16% haplogroup Q, 4% haplogroup R1a and haplogroup C
I took them from wikipedia
However they must be wrong since it makes up more than hundred
4.2+0+0+0+58.3+0+20.8+15.5+4.2=103

Nanonymous No.2368 [D] >>2371

Thank you for the input, very interesting. 15% to 37% EHG doesn't seem much at first, but then you have ~50% WHG Balts who happen to speak the most archaic IE languages (though their Steppe admixture should be as large, I suppose).

It all ties with the Nostratic hypothesis eventually. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostratic_languages
It has many troubles, prime being a hypothetical proto-language made of hypothetical proto-languages with who knows how many intermediaries lost, so signal to noise ratio is, well, not as high as you'd like it to be. It also mostly compares words and most basic grammar pieces, as you don't have much to work with from proto-languages that might even never exist (Altaic has been dispoved as a node, now split into separate Turkic, Mongolic and Tungus languages in a sprachbund).

Still, Jaeger implied his findings correlate with Nostratic hypothesis. Not as a proof, to not seem an overeager or worse a quack, but gives some credence.

>The hypothetical ancestral language of the Nostratic family is called Proto-Nostratic.[2] Proto-Nostratic would have been spoken between 15,000 and 12,000 BCE, in the Epipaleolithic period, close to the end of the last glacial period

Again, Jaeger's analysis goes 10 to 12k years ago, you have nothing more to go earlier without a time machine.
Nostraticists seem to agree than Indo-European, Uralic and "Altaic" branches form a "Eurasian" clade more related to each other than leftover Afro-Asiatic, Dravidian, South Caucasian and such.

>Beginning in the early 2000s, a consensus emerged among proponents of the Nostratic hypothesis. Greenberg basically agreed with the Nostratic concept, though he stressed a deep internal division between its northern 'tier' (his Eurasiatic) and a southern 'tier' (principally Afroasiatic and Dravidian). The American Nostraticist Allan Bomhard considers Eurasiatic a branch of Nostratic alongside other branches: Kartvelian, Afroasiatic, and Elamo-Dravidian. Similarly, Georgiy Starostin (2002) arrives at a tripartite overall grouping: he considers Afroasiatic, Nostratic and Elamite to be roughly equidistant and more closely related to each other than to anything else.[23] Sergei Starostin's school has now re-included Afroasiatic in a broadly defined Nostratic, while reserving the term Eurasiatic to designate the narrower subgrouping which comprises the rest of the macrofamily. Recent proposals thus differ mainly on the precise placement of Kartvelian and Dravidian.

So anyway, there seems to be a connection correlating with lexicostatistics analysis in >>2363 pircrel. Yukaghir was unsuccessfully tied with Uralic, and then you have Chukotian suddenly showing weird, if very arcane, similarities with IE and others, and "Altaics" being weirdly close-and-removed. Forming a supposed "Eurasian" community that spread everywhere roughly the time the glaciers started to melt. The whole thing of ANE-ANS admixture with origin from somewhere in Siberia.
By far the weirdest result is possible tying PIE with PCK (Chukotian), instead of Uralic though to be the closest one due to being neighbours and sharing most basic words (only from PIE to Ur, supposedly) since like over 4000 years ago.

But then again, 12k is a long long time. It took ~5.5k year for Late PIE (minus Anatolian and Tocharian) to diverge into languages as close as Icelandic and Pashto, or Greek and Irish. 12k is a tiny bit more than twice as much time, even when you count for non-linear language change progression.
And then you have Ma'lta boy that is 24k year old, twice as much again. Or four times as much it took common Late PIE to split into mutually incomprehensible gibberish.

For now for me it seems there was some influential community in South Central Siberia that spread and split at about the time the Ice Age was ending. It has different Y-haplo male carriers, same with mtDNA, but maaaybe has some common autosomal marker (ANE?) that seem to correlate with weird statistical artifacts implying languages from Portugal to Chukotka may have had a common origin.
And then you have, for example, Dene-Yenisean peoples in North America and Siberia alien to "Eurasians" linguistically but not genetically, perhaps having Basques, Sumerians and Chinese as relatives (Dene-Caucasian is about Nostratic tier of weird-quack-arcane).



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Bonus material, check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itelmens#Cossack_conquest for an all-male invasion conquering and assimilating (with 90% purge rate, lel) a peninsula half the size of Italy in ~10 years. And they just sailed there to steal some fur.
There are still around 3k or so Itelmens (out of like 20k original by estimate), the rest turned into Kamchadal sub-people of Russians with Cossack male line and Itelmen female genetics.

Of course, IE took their women with them (Kamchadals Russified from prolonged contact with incoming Russian settlers + Orthodox religion in Church Slavonic, few to none female colonists) basically everywhere they took hold, so it is not a carbon copy. But a curious example of an all-male invasion not in the Americas for one. The pox brough by the Cossacks even coincides with the first ever outbreak of Yersinia Pestis that left Neolithic Eurasia rife for the taking of nomadic IEs.

Nanonymous No.2369 [D]

>a peninsula ONE AND A half the size of Italy in ~10 years


Nanonymous No.2371 [D]

>>2368
Balts have 50-70% EHG with my calculations
(I created my EHG admixture with PuntDNAL K10 and Dodecad V3 for west-asian admixture) anyways Genetiker's ADMIXTURE seems to have similar results
https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2018/03/03/k-14-admixture-analysis-of-ancient-southeastern-european-genomes/

Nanonymous No.2372 [D] >>2384

I used the map on Eupedia that shows Balts and Finns being ~50% WHG. It gets confusing pretty fast, so we can just skip that part and move on.

The point was that there seems to be a competition for who gets to be a good Aryan boi and ancestors of everything cool. For now everything points of EHG mesolithic people of Eastern Europe in the forest-steppe region of Russia close to the Volga-Don region.
Those who like to play the "we wuz agriculture inventor n scheisse" can no longer maintain Middle Eastern origin and go for CHG admixture, trying to show PIE as Caucasians who assimilated EHG nomads into themselves. Languages go through women, sure, but afaik there is not enough CHG admixture to totally replace a language. But then you have to explain why EHG folks have radically different Y-haplo from Uralics, Turko-Mongols and Paleo-Siberians but happen to maybe share linguistic origins.

Do I understand it right that EHG are basically an ANE offshoot? While WHG have a source that is basal for WHG and both ANE-EHG?
So it went like this. The Basal people live somewhere in the Middle East or close to it. One of its branches would move West to Europe and become WHG or Pre-IE pre-EEF people, while some stays (correlates with I and J split). Another would move East/North and there become ANE (R-Q split?). One of ANE branches would split from related groups and move West (R1, some fringe Q), eventually settling Eastern Europe by Mesolithic, where it would turn into R1a-R1b PIE folks by Chalcolithic.

Maybe then ANE people were the linguistic Eurasians, ancestors to IE, Uralic, Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic languages as well as Paleosiberian ones the like of Chukotian and Yukaghir.
Hell, Jaeger didn't use Amerindian languages, what if it happened that Algonquins or Iroquois or whoever finds similarities with Siberians and therefore IE. They did prove Yeniseans to be linguistic and genetic relatives to Dene peoples of Canada and the US.

Nanonymous No.2373 [D]

>The Phoenician Origin of Britons, Scots & Anglo-Saxons
Would this give partial credence to Christian Identity?

Nanonymous No.2377 [D]

Banu Settim was an Amorean tribe of Western Semites who had an origin myth featuring Seth (Banu Settim as Children of Seth, or Sutii/Setheans). Cain, Abel, Adam, these guys. Like any origin myth, it explained like literally anything and anyone to proceed from three vaguely Semitic dudes of Shem, Ham and Japheth because how else could everyone be around if the Flood wiped everyone else. Considering they were Western Semites surrounded mostly by Western Semites, nobody disagreed or cared to disagree with them.

Like any nomads, they were good at conquering and wracking shit, even conquering an East Semitic city-state of Ebla, where they got to know the awesome tech of writing, so they wrote down their myths, and much later turn into Phoenicians
Eventually they would even conquer the Akkadian Mesopotamia and then Sumer, becoming the Amorite Dynasty and founding the city of Babilon.
A branch of them, with some other opportunistic guys of vaguely Indo-European origins, would form the Hyksos tribal union and conquer Lower Egypt for some time, before being driven away several generations later by Upper Egyptian pharaoh. Some of the driven-away folks seem to have caused major havoc in Canaan, where they would eventually morph into a Jewish people. Jelly of Phoenician fairy-tales, they would compile some of their own, also known as The Desert Trilogy. Cool stuff, basically pre-proto-Hollywood.

Eventually some fringe islanders would become jelly of their success and start larping horribly, imagining themselves to be Phoenicians or Amerindians to be the Ten Lost Tribes or whatever, dude, just stop, you're hitting "Germans were Aryans from Tibet" levels of wewuzardry.
I get it that the Desert Trilogy was cool, but it is time to grow up and stop.

Nanonymous No.2378 [D]

I wasn't even referring to CI in a positive connotation, first of all. What I meant was that the Phoenicians are part of the same Levantine Semitic group that the Israelis were and even had a lot of contact, and as such, Phoenician influence in western Europe could be used by CI adherents to claim that the Germanics are the real heebs.

Nanonymous No.2379 [D]

Also, regarding the flood, it can't be a coincidence that cultures worldwide from the Aztecs to the Chinese to the northerners to the Greeks and Semites all have a story of a worldwide flood destroying their civilisation and entering the Bronze Age after that roughly around the 4th century BC, the same time Genesis puts the flood.

Nanonymous No.2382 [D]

>Phoenician influence in western Europe
Outside of Carthaginian colonies in Spain that were anyway overshadowed by the massive Berber influx during Umayyad Caliphate... what influence?

>and entering the Bronze Age after that roughly around the 4th century BC
Classical Bronze Age starts 37th century BC. You missed the mark by 3300 years or so. The Bronze Age of China started by 2000BC, a millennium after Egypt and Mesopotamia and Inida, and half a millennium more after Anatolia.
The Bronze Age Collapse happened in 1200BC, starting the Iron Age. You even missed the Iron Age by ~900 years.

The Flood itself is interesting, but your timing is horribly mismatched. Egypt already had had 28 dynasties when your Flood of 4th century BC supposedly happened unnoticed by anyone.

Nanonymous No.2383 [D]

>Outside of Carthaginian colonies in Spain that were anyway overshadowed by the massive Berber influx during Umayyad Caliphate... what influence?
See again: >>1847
https://archive.org/details/ThePhoenicianOriginOfBritonsScotsAnglo-saxons1924-1st.Edition
>Classical Bronze Age starts 37th century BC. You missed the mark by 3300 years or so.
40th century, I meant. After or around this era most modern dynasties start as well as the Bronze Age. The Chinese sovereigns all trace their lineage to a few people that ruled for a hundred thousand years, and then emperors starting from 2737 BC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_monarchs#Three_Sovereigns_and_Five_Emperors_(%E4%B8%89%E7%9A%87%E4%BA%94%E5%B8%9D)
The records of the Egyptian dynasties all start from around 3200 BC, which is also close to the dating of the flood:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharaohs
While Babylon traces itself to around 1000 years after the date of the flood.

Nanonymous No.2384 [D]

>>2372
Even Mal'ta scores something like only 50% in ANE on Eurogenes K7 ANE (which was used for that map). EHG can mean different things, like it can mean Karelia EHG/Samara EHG (which were definitely partly WHG) or it can mean the main component in Mal'ta, Afontova Gora, which was what I used it for. Now these samples can be modelled differently like you can say that Afontova Gora samples were Mal'ta + WHG or Mal'ta was EHG + Indian
none of EUPEDIA's autosomal admixture maps should be taken seriously because they have used the spreadsheets for oracle as the data, which have been changed so that instead of being result of an average Lithuanian, it shows the most Lithuanian results. Also modern calculators should not be used for calculating out ancient admixtures (however as I mentioned I used Dodecad V3 to calculate out CHG admixture, because it is quite accurate except for modern Caucasians/West Asians and South Eastern Europeans, you have to modify their results to get accurate results).

Nanonymous No.2386 [D] >>2391

>>2387
Nigga, I'm not wasting hours of my time reading a book with a quack title. Provide relevant tl;dr

>40th century, I meant
OK then, we can discuss things.
>Floods in the wake of the last glacial period may have inspired myths that survive to this day.[18] It has been postulated that the deluge myth in North America may be based on a sudden rise in sea levels caused by the rapid draining of prehistoric Lake Agassiz at the end of the last Ice Age, about 8,400 years ago
And
>The geography of the Mesopotamian area was considerably changed by the filling of the Persian Gulf after sea waters rose following the last glacial period. Global sea levels were about 120 m (390 ft) lower around 18,000 BP and rose until 8,000 BP when they reached current levels, which are now an average 40 m (130 ft) above the floor of the Gulf, which was a huge (800 km × 200 km (500 mi × 120 mi)) low-lying and fertile region in Mesopotamia, in which human habitation is thought to have been strong around the Gulf Oasis for 100,000 years

So, the Ice Age ended and sea level rose sharply. The Black Sea grew twice in size, the Persian Gulf sank, and North America had troubles with sudden increase in sea level, the Doggerland sank, Sundaland sank, Australia and New Guinea split - the usual. As people tended to live close to water, ocean and sea, almost everyone had troubles with sudden floods. Hence the world flood stereotype.


Nanonymous No.2391 [D]

>>2386
Basically, the Ibero-Carthaginians sailed to Britain for copper and made a presence there.
Relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_Stone
>So, the Ice Age ended and sea level rose sharply. The Black Sea grew twice in size, the Persian Gulf sank, and North America had troubles with sudden increase in sea level, the Doggerland sank, Sundaland sank, Australia and New Guinea split - the usual. As people tended to live close to water, ocean and sea, almost everyone had troubles with sudden floods. Hence the world flood stereotype.
So, basically, water rose, and they had a problem with it.
If we go by the Ice Age hypothesis, then why do the Sumerians date the flood to the same time Genesis does? (again, 40th century) What explains the transition from the 100,000 year rule in China to different emperors throughout the 3rd millennium BC plus a flood myth during that time?

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>then why do the Sumerians date the flood to the same time Genesis does?
Because Jews are about a couple thousand years younger than Sumerians.
So when they compiled their cool stories compilation, they added the old ass Flood myth of Sumerians in. And Mesopotamia had had a lot of flooding even after the glaciers melting.

>100,000 year rule in China
<Chinese fairy tales
You'd be amazed about the modern spin on Russian victories against Chinese dragon riders 7523 years ago, when Aryans erected them the Great Wall to keep the fucking chinks out.
You take ancient tongue-in-cheek shitposting way too seriously, just like the plebs did, to much amusement of storytellers making shit up.
Same with imaginary Chinese dynasties. Their Flood myths are different too:
>The theme was made into several versions, but the outline is about a great flood which was destroyed all the humans all over the world except a pair of brother and sister, or aunt and nephew. Both were forced to married in order to repopulated the world. One version stated that their children were ordinary humans, while the others said it was a lump of meat, squash, melon, or grindstone; after they opened, cut, or destroyed it, humans emerged
And even then it is ~1800 years old at best. Just because people have a shared story doesn't imply the story told of real events, instead of a wandering theme or a common occurrence. The Chinese rivers do have regular floods, just as lightning tends to strike people. It just happens, no need to select specifically Jewish interpretation of a common wandering story. Look into comparative mythology, there are literal catalogues of common fairy tales with indices, numbers etc.

Nanonymous No.2393 [D]

I never implied I actually believed the 100,000 year rule in China. I was asking about the sudden transition from that supposed line to individual emperors ruling in the 3rd millennium BC.

Nanonymous No.2395 [D]

I dunno, I'm not an anthropologist numbering fairy tales. A compilation artifact? Cultural heroes or gods got merged with emperors and got their ludicrous lifetimes before other down-to-earth imaginary rulers.
Any Chinese dynasty and ruler before Shang (~1600BC) is imaginary. The Xia dynastry previous to Shang is already considered here a made-up construct of Zhou to legitimize its coup against Shang with "but the previous dudes did the same, the Mandate and all that". Who invented the Mandate? The Zhou, huh.

Nanonymous No.2397 [D] >>2399

Again, I never said I believed these were dynasties were real. I was talking about the specific placement of the timeline. The length of the rule of the sovereigns changed after the 3rd millennium BC, which is the same date as the Sumerian/biblical flood.

Nanonymous No.2399 [D]

>>2397
https://ncse.com/cej/8/2/flood-mesopotamian-archaeological-evidence

tl;dr
- There is no precise dates for the Flood in the very Bible, except for quackery
- There were many floods in Sumer, the area is rife for it, it happens. So what.
- It's all a story, bro! A fairy tale!

>The endemic character of flooding in southern Mesopotamia may well have been sufficient to generate the story about a supreme Flood, and the attachment of that story to a specific, long-passed, ill-known historical context may, in fact, be late and unreliable. The earliest edition of the Sumerian King List certainly includes no list of antediluvian kings, and the presence of reference to the Flood is in doubt. It may first have been added much later, during a period in which the Flood story was popular (Civil, 1969, p. 139). Ultimately, the search for a local Mesopotamian flood upon which a rationalization of the Bible story can be based may prove as illusionary as the search for Noah's ark

Nanonymous No.2408 [D]

>>2347
>>2363
>>2365
Adding to the Eurasiatic languages macrofamily and Jaegers analysis, there is a paper by Pagel et al. analyzing specifically supposed Eurasian languages.
One can find details on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasiatic_languages

Their conclusion aligns with Jaeger's careful inferences, that there was one big Eurasian (language) community that split the time the glaciers melted.
>The first roots the tree to the midpoint of the branch leading to proto-Dravidian and yields an estimated origin for Eurasiatic of 14450 ± 1750 years ago...The second roots to tree to the proto-Kartvelian branch and yields 15610 ± 2290 years ago. Internal nodes have less certainty, but exceed chance expectations, and do not affect the top-level age estimate

The study didn't include Paleosiberians like Nivkhs and Yukaghirs, but added Eskimo-Aleuts, and also treats Kartvelians and (Elamo?)-Dravidians differently, alling to yet older and bigger Nostratic macrofamily. But anyway the split starts with southermost Kartvelians and Dravidians staying in Caucasus-Iran-Hindukush arc, with others going north to Siberia and Eastern Europe, where they form another arc from Eastern Europe to Beringia adjacent to recently thawed new lands on the North.

The thing is to put this northern Eurasian community origin right, as by >>2364 it is evident Central Asia and most of Siberia were barren wastelands. Central Asia was and always will be arid due to climate dynamics, position relative to air currents and extreme continental climate due to being far from seas, EXTREMELY so with glaciers taking away water.

I've read about the Aral sea geological history, and it seems that it first appeared around 17k to 15k years ago, when glaciers gradually started to melt, and the water had to go somewhere, if prevented by Tibet and Hindu-Kush. So it drained into the Central Asian plain and formed the Aral sea. A freshwater sea yet, as it had glacial waters with ever fresh supply, so maybe these proto-Eurasians moved north along the new rivers to the new sea, separating themselves from Kartvelo-Elamo-Dravidians hugging Mesopotamia and the Indian ocean. As the new Aral sea became salty by 13k and smaller in size due to evaporation and glaciers having melted, these Eurasians moved further north to now tolerable forest-steppe, perhaps centered on Baikal-Angara region.
The westerners would settle west of the Urals (IE) and east of it (Uralic), those staying around Baikal and the Altay-Sayan mountain ranges would turn into Turkic, Mongolic and Tungusic peoples, and further east you have Nivkhs, Yukaghirs and Chukotians, maybe even Eskimo people.
Seemingly random differences in vocabulary (Chukotians closer to IE than other Paleosiberians, or the whole Uralic-Yukaghir possible links with a big ass wedge of Altaic peoples between them) might be coincidences due to different rates of language change multiplied by 15k years of age, or hint at complex resettlement patterns, as megafauna steppe hunters were very mobile, and in Siberia (unlike Eastern Europe) might not have had permanent settlements at all and randomly follow wherever their game went.

Or maybe it went another way. Some hugged the Caspian Sea starting at mildly pleasant Gurgan region south of it, and would move along it north following the megafauna to the Pontic-Caspian steppe, and from there along the Siberian rivers east, while Altaics would stay in Central Asia. As the Aral sea became salty and rivers smaller in size and numbers, these proto-Altaics would move along Pamir and Tianshan ranges north-east, before settling at Altai-Baikal area, becoming a wedge separating Indo-European and Uralic peoples from Paleosiberians.
Still this has problems of, for example Northern Caucasus refugium separated from Eastern Europe by a now-dried canal between Black and Caspian seas, preventing access north, or the whole thing with Dene-Yeniseyan folks once being a big thing in Siberia, or the whole Burushaski mystery meat.
Eh, I could go on forever, it is all speculations anyway.



tl;dr WE WUZ HYPERBOREANS N SHIEET

Nanonymous No.2410 [D][U][F]
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Dumbing goodies from http://armchairprehistory.com/2017/11/12/proto-indo-european-homelands-ancient-genetic-clues-at-last/
The author still presupposed IE to appear in the Middle East-Caucasus population, which I personally see as autistic German wewuzery, hence the map gives CHG a bit too much influence on Yamnaya, but it seems mostly fine besides that.

The Indo-Hittite is estimated to have split into Middle PIE and Anatolian around ~4500BC.
Then Tocharians would split and emigrate to Tarim and Altai regions after ~3500BC.
The stayers, late PIE, would split into every other branch somewhere before 3000BC, with Para-Balkan branches (Illyrian, Hellenic, Armenian and maybe Phrygian if relative of Armenian) splitting from the humongous Corded Ware horizon of everyone else.

Sintashta culture would be (Pre?)-Proto-Indo-Iranians, progressively west you have Balto-Slavs then Proto-Germanics in the north and Celto-Italics to the south. And who knows how many intermediary dialects lost, like Lusitanian maybe related to Celto-Italic or Daco-Thracian seemingly related to Balto-Slavic, or Cimmerians that might have been a link between Balto-Slavs or Daco-Thracians and Indo-Iranians.

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>Flood myth
Might it have something to do with Meltwater Pulse 1A? I think it does, the rise of sea levels were incredibly extreme and rapid (meters in days?) and hard to protect yourself from. I'll try to find a bit more in it later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1A

Nanonymous No.2415 [D]

I'd say it might. If not guaranteed. Melting glaciers made a whole Aral Sea out of nothing. Not in a day, of course, but I'd expect people to suffer catastrophic flood where the Persian Gulf is now.
During the Last Glacial Maximum it would had been an extension of Mesopotamia, a swampy area surrounded by severe deserts, so it would naturally attract humans there.

Maybe even most of the common stock now, as only A and B male lineages seem to be totally African, with negro E a back migration from the Middle East (and not all E's are negroes, Hitler for one was E). C and D lines would have already squatted in pleasant India and Sundaland, others staying in-around Persian Plain-to-become-Gulf.
Then maybe you have the Strait of Hormuz perhaps brute opened by all the thawed water discharge to the seas and the plain would sink in the matter of days, with survivors either clinging to modern Persian Gulf islands-then-hills (Dilmun for Sumerians, perhaps?) or move North-West to Mesopotamia.
Hell, considering my rambling on Eurasiatic languages, it might have been the time Northern Eurasiatics split with Kartvelians and Elamo-Dravidians to move north. They would probably forget it in a couple generations, but those in Mesopotamia would still have yearly waters discharge from sometimes ending in floods, keeping the memory alive. Until it would be written down and hence immortalized, as well as ready-made to loan and edit with local characters.

Still, a Middle Eastern wandering plot. The Greek one might have been loaned from Phoenicians, and other Indo-European peoples don't have any native Flood myths. The Norse Flood myth appears by XI century and more like and addition of the now Biblical plot by Snorri Sturluson.
Reconstructed Indo-European mythology has no Flood myth anyway.

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The blond race and the Aryan culture (1913)
>by Veblen, Thorstein, 1857-1929
https://archive.org/details/blondracearyancu00veblrich

I probably should've dedicated this thread to the white-skinned and blonde-haired people (or, those who have a fair chance of producing blonde-haired off-spring) because almost no one knows what Aryan even means, by the way white-skinned and black-haired peoples are part of the Aryan parent race, though Aryan often refers to the blonde-haired peoples.

Nanonymous No.2417 [D] >>2418

>>2416
On the Existence of Blonds in Persia (1879)
>by Doctor Charles Piétrement
https://archive.org/details/OnTheExistenceOfBlondsInPersia

The Aryan Homeland (1879)
>by Henri Martin
https://archive.org/details/TheAryanHomeland

Nanonymous No.2418 [D]

>>2417
>On the Existence of Blonds in Persia (1879)
That's only one page of information, I should check stuff before I share it.

Nanonymous No.2424 [D] >>2428

>>2416
Funny enough, https://genetiker.wordpress.com/pigmentation/ has two samples of Sintashta people from Early Bronze Age, the most likely progenitors of Indo-Iranians, that is Aryans proper. RISE 392 and RISE 395.
RISE 395 had brown-dark blond hair and brown eyes. Certainly "blond" compared to pitch-black hair of Ancient Indians, but not different from, say, local Slavs.
There are also 4 later Indo-Iranians of Andronovo horizon, already in Central Asia. RISE 500, 503, 505 and 512. 500 from 1700-1500BC had blue eyes and blond hair. About a generation older 503 and 505 had brown and dark-brown hair and brown eyes both.

It might be that Aryans selectively bred themselves to become more blond, after acquiring necessary genes in Central-Eastern Europe before migrating back to the Volga forest-steppe. It seems Indo-Aryans would settle in Punjab starting from 1900BC, so while they probably had some blue-eyed blonds already, chances are they weren't the XX century Nazi idols.

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>>2424
>RISE 392 and RISE 395. RISE 395 had brown-dark blond hair and brown eyes
>[...] It might be that Aryans selectively bred themselves to become more blond
That is a (likely) possibility, the more older books I've read say that it is a genetic mutation, I can imagine them preferring the lighter haired peoples over the darker ones and thus becoming more prevalent. Brown is much closer to blond hair than black hair is anyway, I think black haired people are very far removed from ever getting brown let alone blond haired offspring.

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>>2428
Re-upload of that image, with the niggers and anime removed.

Nanonymous No.2430 [D]

>>2429
>Brad Pitt
Shit he shouldn't be on there, lol.

Nanonymous No.2447 [D] >>2448

>>2429
This map is about light hair, not blonde.
See
>>2343

Nanonymous No.2448 [D]

>>2447
Thanks for correcting me