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Do you guys believe in heaven and hell? Nanonymous No.10486 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>10488 >>10517 >>10564
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Do you guys believe in the concept of hell. According to the bible Hell is a place where sinners are gathered to wait until they are sent to a lake of fire designed to burn forever. Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Aren't you scared in case something like this is true? I personally believe in hell because I have recently converted to christianity and have a fascination for it since it got me out of a really dark time of my life. It lifts the spirit to know what the fate of this clown world actually is. Though I believe that as many people as possible should be saved with the power of Christ. Anyway since this is talking about hell if you believe in one you must believe in the other so do you also think heaven exists in this case?

Nanonymous No.10487 [D] >>10514

>petty nigger creates konzentrationslager where he eternally tortures those who he doesn't like
god is hitler

Nanonymous No.10488 [D] >>10494

>>10486
No i don't, i think there's no such thing as justice or retribution in our world, the stronger and smarter wins and that's it and when you die then only darkness, i think though that the human condition could be called hell by itself as for heaven i think that's something you have to build and not receive, it would be really comfy if some god would wipe clown world but it's seems like it's not that easy, but if believing makes you feel better i'm happy for you nanon, in a way that could be considered a kind of salvation.

Nanonymous No.10489 [D][U][F] >>10491 >>10494
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I believe in something more down-to-earth.

Heaven is a place where you feel righteousness and tranquility.
Hell is a place of overwhelming guilt and anxiety.
Simple as that.
And of course, both those places are real, like they are the subjective states of mind and psyche, or if you like to be believe in it, soul; and they can be experienced by you right now.

Anyway I think believing in some particular kind of afterlife is kinda stupid, because there are so many of them. I could probably make up something interesting right now, but I will not guarantee that I haven't stolen it from some myths that have been already written.



Nanonymous No.10491 [D] >>10497

>>10489
>I could probably make up something interesting right now
is there hapase in your religion? i might think about converting

Nanonymous No.10494 [D] >>10496 >>10497

>>10488
Well the thing is most people will get punished because they follow not the laws of God but the laws of the world. This world is controlled by satan according to the bible we are not to be ignorant of what satan does
2 Corinthians 2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
This could easily be used to justify that satan would use trickery to manipulate the narrative to make people not believe hell truly exists and get people not afraid of the wrath of God. For this world is the result of the lack of fear of any judgement from a higher power. That is why the world is the way it is.
Furthermore according to the bible satan can appear as an angel of light which means he can act good on the surface but when you dig deeper you can see the hatred that is increased with every viewing. For instance the refugee thing shows this. Looks good on the surface until you notice they are raping women and killing our people.
2 Corinthians 2:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
The enemy masquerades as the good guys but if you look a little closer you begin to realize them for the snake they truly are. God gave us the bible and thus warned us of this world. Satan is the ruler and he controls the world through making people willfully ignorant.

>>10489
Most people are seekers of pleasure the bible also warns us about this. Explains the immoral nature of the world.
2 timothy 3:4
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Basically most of humanity at this point if you look at the way a majority of people act.

Nanonymous No.10495 [D]

Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

Nanonymous No.10496 [D] >>10504

>>10494
>Well the thing is most people will get punished because they follow not the laws of God but the laws of the world.
My point was that there are no laws in this world, humans created god and religion just as a way to enforce moral laws and control chaos, but is the nature of the world and of man that is chaotic in origin(Satan in the bible is an analogy for chaos), in ancient times this worked cause death was a common occurrence and people were scared of it, but with advancements in medicine that's not the case anymore and therefore the manipulation through fear didn't work anymore, this is why to mantain order in the 20th century we shifted from fear to greed(capitalism), in short the fear of hell is an outdated method of control right now governments uses the unsatiable greed for more and more useless items and it works way better for controlling people!

Nanonymous No.10497 [D][U][F] >>10502 >>10539
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>>10491
Hakase could be a supreme being guiding the lost souls (nanons) RIGHT NOW for all we know.

>>10494
I don't see why you would quote my post number at all.

Nanonymous No.10502 [D]

>>10497
I misread your entire post.

Nanonymous No.10503 [D] >>10506

Are there any reasons to be christian? Like, I'm neither german nor was born a slave.

Nanonymous No.10504 [D] >>10505 >>10507 >>10564

>>10496
>he can act good on the surface but when you dig deeper you can see the hatred that is increased with every viewing. For instance the refugee thing shows this. Looks good on the surface until you notice they are raping women and killing our people.
This is quite a funny example, because I would expect a christian to think exactly the opposite. My mother's church sponsored a refugee couple, and my parents friend's church sponsored a refugee family (- the father), whose daughter was on a canoeing trip with us. Overall I know very few refugees, but the ones I know are not rapists, and have benefited greatly from the help my country has given them. Is my country worse off overall? Maybe, but a christian isn't supposed to be thinking about themselves so much, or so I was told.
This is really a lesson in the fact that religion involves taking things a person already believes, like refugees bad, and giving some divine excuse to them. You see the same thing with, say, the gay issue, with half of christians saying look the bible says to kill sodomites, and the other half saying look jesus says to be loving and welcoming. Then you throw in all the different religions a person could convert to, so that you could pick and choose precisely who you're allowed to hate, and each religion says that if you follow their edicts precisely you'll end up in heaven, and otherwise you go straight to hell.
I hope your right OP, that you've put your bet on the right horse, that refugees really do deserve what's coming to them, that you end up in heaven for eternity in bliss. But if I were you I'd live a good life here as well, just in case.

Nanonymous No.10505 [D] >>10508

>>10504
The refugees are muslims. That alone qualifies them for the gutter

Nanonymous No.10506 [D]

>>10503
If you are fascinated with ancient Roman propaganda, then that's one reason.

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>>10504
Here is an actual full answer though the people coming over as so called refugees are coming over precisely because of money. Most are not coming from a war torn environment so most of them are coming over for selfish reasons instead of being glad about what God gave them and looking towards other men to give them what they need. Then we even need to wonder if God considers Africans humans.

Nanonymous No.10508 [D] >>10525

>>10505
Forgot to mention that the latter family converted to christianity. In general, it's much harder to convert people living in majority muslim nations than it is in majority christian countries.

>>10507
You want people living in a war zone to be happy with what they got? You think this is what your god commands of you? I'm not one to argue with another arbitrary interpretation of a shitty book, but it doesn't sound like this heaven place is a lot of work to get into.

Nanonymous No.10514 [D]

>>10487
woke

Nanonymous No.10517 [D][U][F]
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>>10486
The very notion of belief itself can be rhetorically whittled to the bare nub of its meaning.

Nanonymous No.10525 [D]

>>10508
People are extremely prideful. Not repenting for their sins. Majority of people have no fear of God.

Nanonymous No.10539 [D] >>10562

>>10497
fun show. sucks that it only had two seasons and a movie

Nanonymous No.10544 [D] >>10548

>mffw christian scripture teacher says she doesn't believe in hell
Is that not a fundamental aspect of the religion?

Nanonymous No.10548 [D]

>>10544
>She
Yeah she shouldn't really be preaching either. She should be in the house supporting the husband if she has one. Or helping out the pastor not directly preaching herself.

Nanonymous No.10562 [D][U][F] >>11124
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>>10539
On the May 19th the final episode of the final (4th) season comes out, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Nanonymous No.10564 [D] >>10570

>>10486
The concept you describe is actually pre-Christian, Old Testament one. It is shared by many ancient religions: after you die, God(s) weight your good deeds against your bad deeds, then place you somewhere based on the result. So it's a carrot-and-stick guidance. Its flaw is that it enables various calculations¹: making a number of good deeds might be seen to nullify one bad deed, praying might also have the same effect, etc., to the straightforward form of paid indulgencies from Church. (BTW, aren't donations to charities indulgencies of today?) In a way, it is an eternal bargain with God(s), who might have human-like features, and get pleased or displeased; some part of Judaism might stem from it.

Christianity switches focus from death in the future that serves as static conclusion of one's life to judgement of actual living in each present moment.
> Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
> Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
Now is the time you choose between perishable and imperishable, what you've done in the past or might do in the future doesn't matter. Judging every single moment might seem enormously much harder task, and it is, but there is another important focus, on God's ability to forgive, and man's ability to do so.²

Among numerous notable works that have been written on this topic, there are two recent books by Giorgio Agamben. “Pilate and Jesus” is shorter and easier, “The Time That Remains” is longer and more complex.
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=2DFD4A001565537DD90A164E93FC47D0
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=0AE97CF9BB7C8E77B68BF88B5A9C2995

¹(refer to Crime and Punishment for an example of calculating man)
²(refer to Notes from Underground for an example of unforgiving man)

>>10504
Refugees are the most obvious test religious hypocrites and hypocrites who claim to uphold secular European values in general don't pass.

Nanonymous No.10570 [D][U][F]
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>>10564
> Christianity switches focus from death in the future that serves as static conclusion of one's life to judgement of actual living in each present moment.
I don't see how quotes you supply show that. If you ask me, they might just subtly refer to the Second Coming.
And the Second Coming itself as an idea looks very much like the "end judgement", like, the ultimate end.
Also, paid indulgencies were done by the Christian Catholic church, so it seems confusing if Christianity is supposed to switch said focus.

Nanonymous No.10571 [D] >>11126

There are 7 churches in the end times and the catholic church is church number 4 the church of Thyatira.
Revelation 2:18-21
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

Jezebel in this case represents the mary who the Catholic's clearly worship even going so far as too see her as a coredemptrix. Obviously this is blasphemous because Jesus himself literally said that no one gets through to God except by him.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Thus the catholics are technically teaching false doctrine the bible talks about false doctrine as well. Here acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
The catholic's were given 1000 years to repent for their sexual immorality. However they didn't and this is why you see so many sexual abuse scandals in the modern catholic church because of its refusal to change.
Revelation 2:22
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Thing is the catholics aren't even the worst branch of christianity in the eyes of God. As he does say good things about the catholic church for instance.
Revelation 2:19
I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Since they didn't repent God brought about the protestant reformation with Martin Luther.

Nanonymous No.10572 [D]

use cursive you fucker or quotes its unreadable

Nanonymous No.11124 [D][U][F]
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>>10562
Oh, really? It's all a haze to me. I try hard to forget

Nanonymous No.11126 [D][U][F]
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>>10571
>Revelation 2:18-21
>Revelation 2:22
>Revelation 2:19
>Martin Luther

>About this book of the Revelation of John…I miss more than one thing in this book, and it makes me consider it to be neither apostolic nor prophetic…I can in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it. Moreover he seems to me to be going much too far when he commends his own book so highly-indeed, more than any of the other sacred books do, though they are much more important-and threatens that if anyone takes away anything from it, God will take away from him, etc. Again, they are supposed to be blessed who keep what is written in this book; and yet no one knows what that is, to say nothing of keeping it. This is just the same as if we did not have the book at all. And there are many far better books available for us to keep…My spirit cannot accommodate itself to this book. For me this is reason enough not to think highly of it: Christ is neither taught nor known in it” (Luther, M. Preface to the Revelation of St. John, 1522).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#Canonical_history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#Synods

Nanonymous No.11127 [D]

Do you believe in a concept of eternal torture by Badaboom if you won't suck my dick? No? Your problem, bucko, should've sucked dicks like Badaboom ordered you to via me, have fun being tortured forever by my totally real Badaboom god.


Religion is as scam