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Is ProtonMail a honeypot? Nanonymous No.2658 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>2660 >>2665 >>2673 >>2722 >>2737
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>no option to run without pajeetscript

>puts your private key on (((their))) server so you can access it anywhere (but so could they)

>Created scientists from CERN and MIT and got funding from 12 states

>Israel became CERN's 21st Member State on 6 January 2014

>Israel and MIT: Celebrating eight years of growth at the Institute

>no POP3 support

>offers Proton Bridge as alternative

>only available for paid ProtonMail users

>not available on Linux

So /g/ should we use a .onion email service or host our own servers locally for privacy?

Nanonymous No.2659 [D] >>2664

it's completely useless. it can't run without javashit, it can't be accessed through a local client, their "encryption" is 100% useless since they store the keys, and there's no hidden service.
cock.li is the least cancerous email service, because you don't need to trust vincent canfield for it to work. you can use offline pgp to encrypt your email and you can access it through a hidden service.

Nanonymous No.2660 [D]

>>2658
>not available on linux
lol what does that even mean

cock.li is the only real option as far as privacy concerns go, but cockli domains are all blacklisted and auto blocked/flagged as spam by gmail, et al, so good luck conducting any normalfag/business/social/job related activities.

learn what is involved in hosting your own and don't look back.

Nanonymous No.2661 [D] >>2761 >>3026

Almost every single email service is a scam or honeypot. The only ones that are half decent are ran by anarcho commies who make you pledge your allegiance to the fight against racism to use their shit. It's well established by now that basically the only clearnet email service that's viable to use without niggerscript is cock.li. Cock.li routinely has its servers raided by the government, as most email providers do but don't admit as cock.li does. If you aren't encrypting all of your shit you're a retard.

There's so many of these placebo services popping up that claim privacy, and all the normalfags eat that shit up. How about we just get normalfags to starting using pgp instead of all this placebo privacy shit.

Nanonymous No.2663 [D] >>2664

They are aware their solution isn't the best and their operation scheme puts a lot of trust back to their own service to work.

Tor Project website maintains a short list of websites with (optional) hidden services. RiseUp and Autistici/Inventati should be one of the most secure email services currently but they are left-leaning (which might not fly well here) so I also recommend cock.li as a professional alternative.

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/projects/WeSupportTor

Nanonymous No.2664 [D]

>>2659
ProtonMail has a hidden service see >>2663 or https://protonirockerxow.onion/ which is signed by DigiCert.

Nanonymous No.2665 [D]

>>2658
>>not available on linux
>lol what does that even mean

there proton bridge application is essentially there subsitute for not having POP3 support

its only available for people who are paid members and the application is also not available on linux

also you can't use imap or smpt either without being a paid member

you could technically get around exposing yourself when paying by using a pre paid card

Nanonymous No.2666 [D][U][F] >>2667 >>2670
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ProtonVPN is being operated by a data mining firm called Tesonet
>This is the summary of evidence provided by PIA:
> krn 31 days ago [-]
> What PIA co-founder proofed in this thread so far:
> ProtonVPN UAB lists Tesonet's CEO as a director
> ProtonVPN UAB is operated from Tesonet HQ in Vilnius, Lithuania
> ProtonVPN UAB uses previous Tesonet's technical employees
> ProtonVPN uses IP address blocks that belong to Tesonet
> ProtonVPN mobile app is signed by Tesonet
> It seems, that ProtonVPN is a free VPN service by a data mining company from Lithuania.
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8x9aik/protonvpn_is_being_operated_by_a_data_mining_firm/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17258203

(not even gonna post ProtonVPN's response/cover-up)

Nanonymous No.2667 [D][U][F] >>2669 >>2670
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>>2666
>ProtonMail was featured in Seasons 1 and 3 of the American TV drama series Mr. Robot in December 2017.[49]
>ProtonMail is mentioned in the 2015 Bear Grylls novel Ghost Flight.[50]
Popular media promoting ProtonMail, hmm.

Also there's this, regarding CERN:
> Hoax sacrifice video prompts CERN investigation
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/sci-tech/viral-prank_hoax-sacrifice-video-prompts-cern-investigation/42380952

Nanonymous No.2668 [D] >>2672

couldnt you use any email service and use pgp and be secure?

If they dont have the private keys what can they do?

Nanonymous No.2669 [D] >>2670 >>2671

>>2667
Didn't they also promote the pirate's bay in a couple of episodes? I don't think they are necessarily paying for promotion seeing they have been taken down multiple times because of their notoriety.

Nanonymous No.2670 [D] >>2671

tips and guides on self-hosting email? people i talk to only complain about the blacklists and refuse to share their insights.
>inb4 rtfm and do it yourself

>>2666
>>2667
portentious indeed, satan
popular media is all advertising of corporate garbage or anti-white crap anyway. lol the Bear Grylls novel sounds like a tom clancy thing by the title.

have some archives for those links
archivecaslytosk.onion/gf54N
archivecaslytosk.onion/1vaZ8
archivecaslytosk.onion/fEDV5
>fEDV5

>>2669
>tv
don't watch tv any more, tell more? feds and kikewood probably want more people using it so they can scoop up more ips for (((copyright infringement))).
also wasn't Mr Robot the same show that the (((mozilla foundation))) put an ad for into firefucks?

Nanonymous No.2671 [D] >>2672

>>2669
>I don't think they are necessarily paying for promotion
Of course, they don't have to, they also promoted GNOME and KDE on Mr. Robot but those are freely available, idk.
>>2669
>couldnt you use any email service and use pgp and be secure?
Well that's another problem with ProtonMail, a single PGP private key... if that's compromised at any given time all previous and next message encrypted for that private key will be compromised.
>>2670
Thanks for archiving, also yes Mr. Robot was the show that was promoted by Mozilla by installing an extension in everyone's(?) Firefox install.

Nanonymous No.2672 [D]

>>2671
Second ID should be >>2668

Nanonymous No.2673 [D] >>2674

>>2658
Israel has it's hand in all manner of infosec companies, sketchy as hell for sure. For some reason all software with israel ties are shit. There needs to be a dig sometime reguarding israel and tech. As for proton mail it seems to be a shit meme so the normalfags feel like they aren't helpless after snowden leaks.

Nanonymous No.2674 [D]

>>2673
the jew/silicon valley connection cannot be understated. really a lot of software and tech related subjects nowadays are ashkenazi rabbit holes of inscrutable nonsense when you step back and look at them. white men figured out the core principles of computer science in the early-mid 20th century, and kikes infected it, as they infect everything, from the 1970s onward and it was basically game over by the year 2000. so many dotcom era companies were started by jews it's not even funny.

Nanonymous No.2678 [D] >>2730

I'm using mail2tor for anything really anonymous.
What about you?
E-mail seems like a real anti-privacy thing when you realize it's bound to clearnet addresses.

Nanonymous No.2679 [D] >>2684

Everything is honeypot botnet, tovarisch. Even you.

Nanonymous No.2684 [D]

>>2679
That is true. People are rats are wouldn't stop for a second to turn in their neighbors or friends for net gains.

Nanonymous No.2688 [D]

There is SusiMail hosted in I2P with optional clearnet addresses if anyone's interested. Though I don't think I2P can defend against MITM attacks so use it with caution.

Nanonymous No.2722 [D] >>2739

>>2658
Oh great /pol/ found nano/tech/.
>is ProtonMail a honeypot
I dunno, but who cares? Why are you trusting email? Protonmail makes you go through hoops for no reason (massive bloat JS to provide fake end-to-end crypto, phone/donation for sign up)

Nanonymous No.2730 [D]

>>2678
>I'm using mail2tor for anything really anonymous.
I like torbox, which like mail2tor lets you login without JS. but being onion-only, it is restricted to handful of onion mail relays (many of which are now defunct). the service itself is solid, though.
>E-mail seems like a real anti-privacy thing when you realize it's bound to clearnet addresses.
exactly right. the most you can hope for is a provider that strips IPs from outgoing messages, keeps all storage encrypted, is tor-friendly, and avoids keeping logs that will likely be requested at some future date. perhaps only mailbox.org and posteo fit these conditions and are also competent for general use (i.e., I'd consider these even for professional use), but cock.li is probably the best if prevalent grey/blacklisting by major providers poses no issue for you.

Nanonymous No.2737 [D]

>>2658 I always use email services based on .onion and I've never trusted ProtonMail.

Nanonymous No.2739 [D]

>>2722
>nano/tech/
No such thing, pigchanner.

Nanonymous No.2980 [D][U][F]
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Proton Technologies awarded €2M from the EU
https://protonmail.com/blog/eu-funding/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19344937

Nanonymous No.2981 [D]

>Vid shows how to easily hack 'anti-spy' webmail (sorry, ProtonMail)
>Filtering evil JavaScript is tricky if you're encrypting in the browser
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail_fail_javascript/

>ProtonMail: encrypted email provider held ransom by hackers
>Email provider based in Switzerland has internet connection cut off by hackers who did not cease attack even after $6,000 ransom was paid
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/05/protonmail-service-held-ransom-by-hackers

>Email Provider ProtonMail Says It Hacked Back, Then Walks Claim Back
>There’s plenty of appetite for "hacking back," but in many contexts it’s likely illegal for companies to retaliate against cybercriminals.
>Aug 16 2017, 7:45pm
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvvke7/email-provider-protonmail-says-it-hacked-back-then-walks-claim-back

Nanonymous No.2996 [D] >>3009

for people not using protonmail, what should i use for my personal email?
fastmail?

Nanonymous No.3009 [D]

>>2996
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/email.html

Nanonymous No.3015 [D]

Oooo look someone posted a link without any text. Better delete it for spam.

Nanonymous No.3026 [D]

>>2661
I'm not a retard, I just have to talk to them to survive.
Help.

Nanonymous No.3039 [D] >>3041 >>3042

I made a Protonmail account without giving them my phone number then tried to login about a month later but couldn't. I know I didn't forget my password but it kept telling me that. It seemed like they shadow deleted the account. So if you don't give them your phone number to make their data harvesting operation easier they delete your account and gaslight you like you forgot your password. Protonmail lets you create an account without a phone number unlike (((GMail))) though.

Nanonymous No.3041 [D]

>>3039
>phone number
Oh yeah, that's why I never signed up for ProtonMail.

Nanonymous No.3042 [D]

>>3039
Only if you are trying to sign up through Tor. Never had this problem when setting up a Protonmail account without any proxies or VPNs in between.

Nanonymous No.3068 [D] >>3069 >>3071 >>3126

I made a Protonmail account in highschool because I was a faggot who though it was better than gmail, which I guess it may be due to no Google. I have no delusions of it being secure, but I still use it for normalfag shit. Unfortunately, most places of business don't use pgp, so that isn't really an option for applying to jobs and such. Definitely did not give them my phone number though.

Nanonymous No.3069 [D]

>>3065
>>3066
>>3067
>>3068
Whoops, posts were delayed.

Nanonymous No.3071 [D] >>3072 >>3083

>>3068
>most places of business don't use pgp, so that isn't really an option for applying to jobs and such
Are you retarded? You aren't forced to use pgp.

Nanonymous No.3072 [D] >>3083

>>3071
I think he is saying that because the service isn't secure, not having the opportunity to at least use pgp makes the service of dubious value.

Nanonymous No.3083 [D]

>>3071
What >>3072 said. I know that I am not forced to use pgp. I was commenting on the inability to use pgp for normal email things, like applying to jobs, since other places don't use it.

Nanonymous No.3126 [D]

>>3068
underage b&

Beware of Cock.Li Nanonymous No.3151 [D] >>3152

>cock.li is the least cancerous email service, because you don't need to trust vincent canfield for it to work.

Do not use this for any lolicon artwork or anything suggestive of underage attractions. He expresses passionate, open hatred and no scruples about how he deals with people using his services. Is that a front because he is a pederast? Maybe, but I would not risk it.

Nanonymous No.3152 [D]

>>3151
lol