There are two mixed race families near me, one with a white father and one with a black father. Both men are unemployed and have 5 children each. Just a few decades such people would be starving and would have to go door to door to beg for some bread to feed their children and they would not get any because people were not nigger lovers at that time.
But even without nonwhites and race mixers welfare is a terrible idea as it allows morons to breed as much as they want.
>>2501 You shouldn't have to ask this question. Welfare state can't end unless the whole country collapses and/or the government is completely replaced with a sensible one. This is due to the fact that welfare recipients are a significant group of the population and any party advocating for an end to excessive welfare would be voted out.
>>2503 Of course. There are a very large number of severe problems with every white country which can only be fixed through a complete overhaul of government, removal of certain ethnic groups and sexual deviants, and a resurgence of nationalism in the general populace.
Panem et Circenses. Bread and Circuses, fuhr fuhreee. Eventually the practice of buying pleb support by showering them with unearned food and entertainment bred a hereditary class of welfare leechers. Up to 200.000 people in Rome got their free food from the state, which then was probably more than the entire population of Scandinavia combined.
Seriously now:
>As of September 2014, about 46.5 million people (or 15%) were receiving food stamps through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP).
46.5 million people is larger than the total population of Ukraine, the largest country in Europe after Russia. Close to the total population of Spain.
Generations living on (semi)free bread, so long as they laud the current caesar enough.
Of course, somebody had to pay for the bread. It started by robbing other peoples, eg. Caesar used what he had looted in Gallia and Britain to pay for plebfeed. But as Rome ran out of people to conquer, it started robbing itself by taxing property owners to death to pay for conspicuous consumption of emperors and fund their (civil) wars. So small wonder Rome turned into a megabloated city of welfare leeches, by they proles on grain doles or current emperors robbing provinces of wealth to burn in a war or an orgy. Eventually even the late emperors had to abandon the cesspool of Rome for smaller saner cities like Milan or Ravenna, and then the damage was done and centuries of looting depopulated the countryside, the locals eager for barbarian rule because they took so much less taxes and actually provided services back.
And what had happened to the welfare leeches?
>The population of the city of Rome peaked at possibly more than one million people from the late 1st century to the 3rd century CE and thereafter declined by 400 CE to 700,000-800,000, between 400,000 to 500,000 in 452, and thereafter to a population estimated at only 100,000 in 500 CE, declining still further thereafter in the Middle Ages
HMMM. 400.000 people disappeared in 50 years, 80% of city population? That's fucked up. Again, a population larger than total Scandinavian one same time. Imagine NYC metropolitan area pop declining from 20 million people to 4 million in 50 years.
Seriously though, even Ostrogothic kings by ~500BC still promised remaining Romans free bread.
Ironically, the Republican era Rome wanted to cultivate free farmers by giving land grants in conquered territories to legionaries, who in turn would defend their property by serving in the legions. By Imperial era legionaries became full mercs backing whichever emperor promised them free shit, and precisely the landowning class was robbed by taxing.
>>2536 >and centuries of looting depopulated the countryside, the locals eager for barbarian rule because they took so much less taxes and actually provided services back.
Apparently Roman solders would often not get paid and started looting the countryside to get paid. Also Rome was starving and the man who was leading defenses was busy selling the food that he hoarded to the wealthy.
The state of Rome was so pathetic that the guards were sleeping during nights and the Goths had several chances to break into city before they finally decided to do it.
And the Romans were forced to eat nothing but nettle.
>>2540 >Apparently Roman solders would often not get paid and started looting the countryside to get paid
Inflation was terrible, as I recall, as wannabe emprahs would debase the coin for immediate gains. Yeah, totally not like anything now.
So they would be paid in spices (salt was traditional since Republic, hence soldier) and food stamps ratios. Then again, it is not like somebody but another legion could stop them from taking more food from dirty plebs.
Speaking of Goths and the like, barbarian mercenaries, mostly from Germania, had been used by Rome for a couple centuries before the Rome "fell" (more like rebranded into Popedome and autonomous provinces with Germanic dukes). Same with foreigners imported into the USA and Western Europe since 1960s, three generation of "service" to their states.
Point is, it would be funny to see Mexican warlords outdoing each other into stating how the gibs would flow in Commiefornia under their progressive dictatorship while fighting for depopulated dumps of San Francisco and Los Angeles. It is not like in never happened before with different name tags.
Promising free gibs to untermenschen (just enough to get wasted on vodka after a useless work shift) is how Eastern European dictators enticed 40-60% of local plebs here since like 100 years or so. If someone would close hundreds of permanently unprofitable state plants yet leave their measly paychecks, there wouldn't be much difference at all, except the vodka mob would have more free time to chimp around. Yet again can one see Western future in Eastern past.
>>2547 I wrote "largest", not "most populous". Your problem being?
>>2550 >46.5 million people is larger than the total population of Ukraine, the largest country in Europe after Russia
Don't you mean more populous than the total population of Ukraine? You have to admit this wording is confusing
>t. different guy
What would it take to end the welfare state?
There are two mixed race families near me, one with a white father and one with a black father. Both men are unemployed and have 5 children each. Just a few decades such people would be starving and would have to go door to door to beg for some bread to feed their children and they would not get any because people were not nigger lovers at that time.
But even without nonwhites and race mixers welfare is a terrible idea as it allows morons to breed as much as they want.