>I can't be held accountable for my work
>if you don't know how it works you can't use it
>I'm a programmer so I'm, suprise suprise, an expert on trobador music
>if you can't do x you are not eligible to do y
>only programmers can critique programs
>only programmers should write laws concerning computers, you know, nobody else should have a word in it
>I'm applying programmers logic on everything because programmers are superior, everyone who thinks otherwise should be shot
>I'll suck your dick because you said so
>guys, both KISS and BDUF suck, let's just pile one thing on another, who cares if I can't keep track of my own code?
How and when did it start? Why do programmers think they are the new philosophers? Why do kids nowadays, engulfed by technology, think that programmers are rockstars and idolize them?
>>8108 >Why do programmers think they are the new philosophers? Why do kids nowadays, engulfed by technology, think that programmers are rockstars and idolize them?
Do you have any evidence that this is actually happening aside from circlejerking on "Tech Twitter" and in fawning SV-oriented publications?
>>8113 >the new philosophers
Every "tech" "news" and "news" site ever. The same mindset dominates bigger /tech/ boards too.
>programmers are rockstars
There are more people looking up to zuckercuck and aggresive bussiness models tech industry represents than there are looking up to, say, mac demarco, mike pence or kanye west for all I care.
The worst part is when you mention anything about a meritocracy to these apes, they'll denounce it as evil and claim they've never participated in it. I don't use social media, but it doesn't take a genius to recognize this baboonery.
I unironically believe social media will inevitably inherently spawn mass arrogance and general degeneracy in any subject.
Change my mind
>I can't be held accountable for my work
this is the only real complaint you have and i agree, programmers are retards who want to write whatever the fuck they want without a care in the world if it works
>if you don't know how it works you can't use it
true
>if you can't do x you are not eligible to do y
true. if only programmers actually knew this maybe our software wouldnt all be shit
>only programmers can critique programs
literally who ever said this?
>only programmers should write laws concerning computers, you know, nobody else should have a word in it
slightly true - the laws concerning technology are utterly oblivious
>How and when did it start? Why do programmers think they are the new philosophers? Why do kids nowadays, engulfed by technology, think that programmers are rockstars and idolize them?
because the purple hair marketing campaign, but it was complete shit before that happened as well
>>8115 >How can I even get evidence for this shit?
You'd look elsewhere than the places I mentioned (Twitter and SV-suckjob sites like HN), and find examples of Joe Programmer, you know, the guy who writes boring "business logic" in Java for a stodgy insurance company in Omaha for $88,000 a year thinking he's god's gift to the planet. You won't, though. Because the majority of programmers are not circlejerking "social media mavens" and HN and Reddit obsessives who spend all day fucking around on the internet instead of, y'know, programming.
Look, I understand what you're trying to get at, but you're off base. What you're talking about is not "programmers" but rather the smart watch-wearing, Soylent-drinking, IoT-buying, social media-obsessed San Fran cunts who are busy "leaning in" and "disrupting" as part of trendy start-ups whose only actual business appears to be bilking money from venture capitalists. And yeah, that involves a lot of bullshit marketing of themselves and their companies and the possibilities of technology like what was greentexted in OP. Frankly, a lot of these people aren't even programmers. They're blue-haired cunts who pull down six-figure salaries as "developer evangelists" and other, equally-vague job titles.
As for "kids nowadays," they still think programmers are fucking dorks. But they see these blue-hairs making ridiculous sums of money for basically doing "hot takes" and shitposting on Twitter all day, and who wouldn't want that? It's a fucking cushy job if you can get it. Plus their Boomer and Gen X parents, who have witnessed the decades-long slow burn of the middle class into poverty and opioid-addled despair have been unironically telling them to learn to code since they were kids. But it's not the guy in Omaha they want to be, it's the "developer evangelist" with an $8,000/mo SF apartment and 500,000 Twitter followers that they want to be.
So call them Silicon Valley SJWs, or faggot "developers" or whatever you want, but leave poor Joe Programmer and the autistic kids reading the Wikipedia page about Big-O notation alone.
Also, nobody gives a fuck about that kike Zuckerberg because he's a programmer. They care about him because he's a billionaire.
Pic related: It's Sarah Sharp. She actually used to be a programmer. In fact, she contributed actual code to the Linux kernel. But she doesn't do that anymore. Now she's a "diversity and inclusion consultant" who insists that people call xir "Sage" because xe is "gender nonbinary." If you look at the picture and think "holy shit, is that hair on her chin," why, yes, it is, because she's taking testosterone now. She is not a programmer. She is a left coast SJW who needs to be subjected to corrective rape and beaten with a hammer.
>>8108 >only programmers should write laws concerning computers
No. No one should write any laws regarding software/network interaction. Call it tyler's law
>Why do programmers think they are the new philosophers?
Software makes anarchy viable, again because of tyler's law. The majority of philosophy exists to defend hierarchy in some form. Dismantling all hierarchy requires new philosophy.
Well, good programmers ARE like rockstars.
Probably has to do with the fact that IT sphere has a bullshit ton of money poured into it by various bodies, including YOU or somebody from your family, even if not directly.
>the guy who writes boring "business logic" in Java for a stodgy insurance company in Omaha for $88,000 a year
It's not really about that, it's about all the start-ups that actually took off. Programmers with decent marketing skills can really grow the economy now (regardless of side-effects of the bullshit). They can do it if not by themselves, then with a small team. Or maybe they cannot that much anymore, I dunno for how long that Internet dotcom whatever hype is gonna continue. But still, IT sphere is fucking growing, all those kids could theoretically become new Brins or Zuckerbergs or whatever.
And, like, any retarded faggot could actually become a programmer, that's why we have so much shitty code.
>I'm applying programmers logic on everything because programmers are superior, everyone who thinks otherwise should be shot
Before programmers, this terminal retardation was reserved by engineers as a professional habit. Now there are two.
>How and when did it start?
When hardware could accomodate anything listed above that isn't your retarded ramblings. Why try when every meatbag from the target audience for your new inane web app has a powerhouse for a device? Imagine being an engineer and having access to concrete that would still endure planned stress measurements well beyond limits even if every structure was made by a piss drunk Mexican with a plastic shovel and you could mix it 50/50 with water. You will also never face the consequences of something like a dam fault or a collapsing bridge as a regular Joe working on regular software because you can just roll back to your daily backup or restart your shitty service for the 50th time today without anybody noticing.
>Why do programmers think they are the new philosophers?
That's only half of the problem. You notice that because you're most likely trolling around tech-minded shitheads on Medium/HN/social media. But a lot of people in general are this way in current year. The ones that aren't you will not hear about because they're busy working, taking care of families or having hobbies and not attention whoring. The people you speak of were uneducated monkeys before, but now they've become semi-educated monkeys that think they're fucking geniuses for reading 2 books and some Wikipedia summaries.
>Why do kids nowadays, engulfed by technology, think that programmers are rockstars and idolize them?
Because a limp-wristed, soy-filled faggot cannot go into space so the astronaut dream is off the table. You also answered your own question, they're engulfed by technology. If it was the 1950s and I was good with a wrench and a screwdriver, I'd be the talk of the town as well.
>>8116 How about this - it's the ease of obtaining information combined with a pervasive culture of gold stars for undermining efforts participation that's causing this. You can look up anything you want in your favorite search engine and it will likely return something. And, in the case of most countries, you have unlimited access to this. The step where you think about things for yourself first is therefore completely skipped and you imagine yourself as smart for having read something.
>The worst part is when you mention anything about a meritocracy to these apes, they'll denounce it as evil and claim they've never participated in it.
It's not evil, it's cruel; but that's just life. If you're born to retard parents, you have to put in extra effort to succeed or even just get by on a higher social standing and it melts their brain thinking about it because all their life they've been taught that we're all equal no matter what. Tech also suffers from being a sort of haven for sheltered autistics, so having to confront an uncomfortable part of reality is extra painful.
>>8108 Most normie programmers are leftists who think they're extra-intellectual now that they can cobble up some python shitware and post on github. Right wing programmers, especially those found on imageboards, are less insufferable because they are shamed when they take themselves too seriously but finding good ones is just as hard.
Boomer programmers like RMS and ESR are cringy leftists (lolbergs at best). RMS doesn't even do any programming, and ESR regularly publishes cringy "le haxor culture" bullshit while not doing much work.
>>8177 >Most normie programmers are leftists
Most normie programmers are normies, who have political beliefs that align with their family members, religious community, SES, etc., like all normies.
You really have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
>>8176 Isn't it also deep-rooted problem of democracy turning lumpens highly political, (((popularization))) of both exact and soft sciences and ignorant nobodies being taken seriously? It was problem centuries ago mainly with spread of newspapers and it boomed with television, radio and low politics. Don't know how should I look at education tho.
Just because internet and phones enable this shit doesn't mean they have to.
>the ones that aren't you will not hear about because ...
I won't because I don't work with them. If I did I'd would find out some of those are even more political than those who bleat about it on the internet.
>I can't be held accountable for my work
>if you don't know how it works you can't use it
>I'm a programmer so I'm, suprise suprise, an expert on trobador music
>if you can't do x you are not eligible to do y
>only programmers can critique programs
>only programmers should write laws concerning computers, you know, nobody else should have a word in it
>I'm applying programmers logic on everything because programmers are superior, everyone who thinks otherwise should be shot
>I'll suck your dick because you said so
>guys, both KISS and BDUF suck, let's just pile one thing on another, who cares if I can't keep track of my own code?
How and when did it start? Why do programmers think they are the new philosophers? Why do kids nowadays, engulfed by technology, think that programmers are rockstars and idolize them?