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Search engines | Why you should not trust DuckDuckGo Nanonymous No.1663 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>1697 >>2280
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- It is hosted on Amazon Web Services (which has a $600 million contract with the CIA)
- Gabriel Weinberg, the creator and owner formerly ran a site called NamesDatabase which encouraged people to provide valid personal details and to refer other people to give their information
- "We also save searches, but again, not in a personally identifiable way, as we do not store IP addresses or unique User agent strings. We use aggregate, non-personal search data to improve things like misspellings." [1]
- Despite bangs simply referring to another search engine, "Bang" queries are still send to and stored by DuckDuckGo (this could be solved with Javascript is enabled, or in one of its extensions/apps)
- DuckDuckGo knows whether you're scrolling down on the page since website icons are lazy loaded
- On the Hidden Service website icons are still fetched from duckduckgo.com
- DNS registration information is protected by WhoisGuard
- Google has released the Duck.com domain name for DuckDuckGo in 2018
- Apple (in 2014) and Mozilla (in 2018) have added DuckDuckGo as an search engine option
- DuckDuckGo used to set cookies even though they said they didn't [2]
- DuckDuckGo used to submit the URL you're clicking on to DuckDuckGo's servers

[1]: https://duckduckgo.com/privacy
[2]: http://www.alexanderhanff.com/duckduckgone

---

A few alternatives:

- Searx [3]
-Qwant [4]
- StartPage [5]

[3]: https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/wiki/Searx-instances
[4]: https://www.qwant.com/
[5]: https://www.startpage.com/

Nanonymous No.1664 [D]

>Mozilla (in 2018)
Err, "November 10, 2014"

Nanonymous No.1665 [D]

DDG is reddit/cuckchan/pigchan tier. Real men use searx.
I have seen SuckFuckHoe recommended way too often on pigchan. That's how you know pigchan is dead.

Nanonymous No.1666 [D] >>1672 >>1917

>Qwant
Nevermind, it immediately gives Tor users a CAPTCHA to solve.
(I'm OP)

Searx Nanonymous No.1667 [D][U][F] >>1668 >>1669 >>1995
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Regarding Searx, I think I'm going to use the random Searx redirector application which you can simply use offline by saving the page and opening it which I highly recommend you do because it sends searx.neocities.org as a HTTP referrer to the Searx engine(!)
>3939 random volunteer-run public servers
Didn't know there were so many Searx engines... that's a lot.
https://searx.neocities.org/
(I'm OP)

Nanonymous No.1668 [D]

>>1667
You can also add it as search engine on Firefox by adding "Bookmark this link" as a bookmark and setting a keyword for it and then you can use <keyword> <query> in the location bar to quickly use that Random Searx Redirector.

NOTE: there is a high chance of accidentally using a untrustworthy/ compromised Searx instance when using this please remove all Searx instances you do not trust out of that application or add only a few you trust.
(I'm OP)

Nanonymous No.1669 [D]

>>1667
>3939 random volunteer-run public servers
FYI only these are used in the Random Searx Redirector application:
>'searx.selea.se',
>'search.activemail.de',
>'searx.prvcy.eu',
>'searx.haxors.club',
>'search.biboumail.fr',
>'searx.solusar.de',
>'searx.pwoss.xyz',
>'haku.ahmia.fi',
>'searx.lelux.fi',
>'searx.laquadrature.net',
>'searx.foo.li',
>'searx.ru',
>'searx.infini.fr',
>'search.disroot.org',
>'searx.zdechov.net',
>'search.sudo-i.net',
>'searx.xyz',
>'searx.info',
>'searx.aquilenet.fr',
>'searx.rubbeldiekatz.info',
>'searx.tyil.nl',
>'search.koehn.com',
>'search.mdosch.de',
>'search.gibberfish.org',
>'searx.targaryen.house',
>'searx.riseup.net',
>'searx.elukerio.org',
>'search.seds.nl',
>'searx.angristan.xyz',
>'icebal.com',
>'search.stinpriza.org',
>'searx.libmail.eu',
>'suche.elaon.de',
>'050.ca',
>'searx.s42.space',
>'searx.openhoofd.nl',
>'search.modalogi.com',
>'finden.tk',
>'searx.linux.pizza'
(I'm OP)

Nanonymous No.1672 [D] >>1674 >>1917 >>1920

>>1666
What's the point of giving tor users a captcha to solve to use a search engine? I can't think of any reason except to anger tor users

Nanonymous No.1674 [D] >>1676 >>1917

>>1672
To try to stop anonymized botting.

Nanonymous No.1676 [D] >>1917

>>1674
How the fuck would botting with a search engine work?

Nanonymous No.1691 [D] >>1692

I don't need to trust it because I use Tor

buy yes, duckduckgo is a honeypot

Nanonymous No.1692 [D] >>1694

>>1691
That's what kept me using DuckDuckGo for far too long. I'm now using Searx and I'll see how bearable it is.

Nanonymous No.1694 [D] >>1695

>>1692
why not consider Startpage too?
https://www.startpage.com
it can also search for images without javascript and has built in proxy (useful if tor is banned on site or demands captcha)

Nanonymous No.1695 [D]

>>1694
>search for images without javascript
Even Jewgle images can search for images without javashit. That's not much of an achievement.

Nanonymous No.1696 [D]

Searx (pronouced search) is probably the best search engine to use right now. Just make sure you have safe search turned on when browsing images else you might catch a few glimpses of underage girls without their shirts on.

Nanonymous No.1697 [D][U][F] >>1698 >>1703
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>>1663
>It is hosted on Amazon Web Services (which has a $600 million contract with the CIA)
So? If the CIA has Subway cater a luncheon, does that mean I shouldn't ever eat there again? Do you even know what the CIA is/does? Protip: it's not a law enforcement or signals intelligence agency.
>Gabriel Weinberg, the creator and owner formerly ran
>formerly
You suggest Startpage as an alternative. Who even owns Startpage? It's held by a private holding company in the Netherlands. They list a spokesperson, but otherwise seem not to want to talk about the people involved with the company: "You probably won’t be surprised to hear that our team of online privacy specialists values their own online privacy too. At the same time we’re also aware that transparency and visibility are important for any tech company. So we split the difference, and are showing avatars and first names for most of our team members. We unanimously chose our colleague Ancilla van de Leest as our spokesperson. Feel free to contact her for all company and press-related inquiries."
>We also save searches
>not in a personally identifiable way
>we do not store IP addresses or unique User agent strings
Yawn.
>DNS registration information is protected by WhoisGuard
Startpage.com also uses WHOIS privacy.
>DuckDuckGo used to set cookies >DuckDuckGo used to submit the URL
>used to

I don't even use DDG anymore, I use Startpage because for a while their search results were better and I set Startpage as my default search. But for all I know, they're owned by a bunch of GCHQ spooks. That's one of the reasons I do most of my browsing through the Tor network, so it doesn't really matter. Your arguments against DDG are weak as fuck, though.

Nanonymous No.1698 [D]

>>1697
>DDG owned and created by a kike who used to openly sell data for money
<durr not an argument lol xd

Nanonymous No.1703 [D]

>>1697
>AWS-CIA connection
To be honest that CIA wasn't even the red flag for me, the red flag for me was simply that they used AWS. I'm quite sure AWS has much more shady shit going on because they're a huge fucking platform.
>Who even owns Startpage
>But for all I know, they're owned by a bunch of GCHQ spooks
I really haven't looked much into StartPage or Qwant. Searx is simply a proxy for search engines anyone can run.
One thing that concerns me with StartPage is that they have Katherine Albrecht who has been on InfoWars and CoastToCoast AM numerous times.
>Your arguments against DDG are weak as fuck, though.
I'd say some of my arguments against DDG are weak as fuck, I'll admit that much :^)

Nanonymous No.1704 [D] >>1710

>who can I trust????
This is a pigchan tier question. The answer is no one, it's your responsibility to remain anonymous as companies online could not care less about your privacy. It's the same with email providers or any other online service. If you are relying on blindly "trusting" random online service providers because of various arbitrary things than you're already fucked.

Nanonymous No.1710 [D]

>>1704
Right, trust is a difficult thing, especially on the internet. I used the wrong word here.

Nanonymous No.1917 [D] >>1918

>>1666
>>1672
>>1674
>>1676
It doesn't give Tor users capt. It gives any IP, even non-Tor ones, a capt if you make more than 100 connections in half an hour or something. I've been exclusively using Qwant for a few months on clearnet and it happened to me a few times. I'm on Tor now and I didn't get a capt for searching over Qwant.
Basically, it doesn't discriminate Tor users. It's just over-sensitive against potential bot searches, I assume because their servers are weak.

OP No.1918 [D]

>>1917
Good to know, thanks. I've mostly switches to using the Random Searx Redirector and I set Startpage as the default search engine.
I'll give Qwant another consideration, it seems to work fine this time...

Nanonymous No.1919 [D]

>switches
switched

Nanonymous No.1920 [D] >>2280

>>1672
>What's the point of giving tor users a captcha
It's to prevent people from using google dorks to find vulnerable sites. It gives you a captcha based on the amount of queries you are doing and how "complex" those queries are (by complex I mean using "advanced" search features)

Nanonymous No.1985 [D] >>1991

searx is hard to recommend to normalfags because of the massive bias towards porn sites for work-safe queries
also, it has some reliability issues, at least oninstances i've used

Nanonymous No.1986 [D] >>1991

could you/the-owner do a favor and only select instances with good ssl scores, no MITM/cloudflare, etc?
i have not checked so that may alresdy be done

Nanonymous No.1991 [D] >>1992 >>1994

>>1985
>massive bias towards porn sites for work-safe queries
Interesting, you mean with image search?

>>1986
Haven't done that myself, but these are good places to start:
https://stats.searx.xyz/
https://stats.searx.xyz/tor.html
https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/wiki/Searx-instances

Nanonymous No.1992 [D] >>1993

>>1991
Ok, here's a list of Searx domains (from https://stats.searx.xyz/ ) with their ISPs:

>050.ca Cogent Communications
>anonyk.com Amazon.com, Inc.
>framabee.org Hetzner
>haku.ahmia.fi Nebula Oy
>icebal.com AT&T Services, Inc.
>mijisou.com China Unicom Beijing Province Network
>openworlds.info OVH SAS
>p9e.de Markus Bach Betriebs Gesellschaft mbH
>rapu.nz RamNode LLC
>s.cmd.gg OVH ISP
>search.activemail.de Contabo GmbH
>search.azkware.net OVH SAS
>search.datensturm.net netcup GmbH
>search.disroot.org Serverius
>search.ethibox.fr Online S.A.S.
>search.gibberfish.org Online
>search.koehn.com DigitalOcean, LLC
>search.kosebamse.com HE-RS
>search.mdosch.de rh-tec IP Network
>search.modalogi.com Liberty Global Operations B.V.
>search.namedkitten.pw Plusnet Technologies Ltd
>search.paulla.asso.fr Axione - French region
>search.seds.nl Online S.A.S.
>search.snopyta.org Hetzner
>search.spaeth.me Online S.A.S.
>search.st8.at Hetzner Online GmbH
>search.stinpriza.org Hetzner
>search.sudo-i.net Hetzner Online GmbH
>search.tolstoevsky.ml CJSC "ER-Telecom Holding" Nizhny Novgorod branch
>search.wxzm.sx LeaseWeb Netherlands B.V.
>searx.anongoth.pl IQ PL Sp. z o.o.
>searx.antirep.net GANDI is an ICANN accredited registrar
>searx.aquilenet.fr AQUILENET
>searx.at UPC Austria GmbH
>searx.ch ImproWare AG
>searx.elukerio.org Rezopole A.D.
>searx.foo.li Telecom Liechtenstein AG
>searx.fr32k.de rh-tec IP Network
>searx.gotrust.de NETCUP-GMBH
>searx.haxors.club OVH
>searx.infini.fr Lanestel Sarl
>searx.info Hetzner
>searx.itunix.eu OVH ISP
>searx.laquadrature.net Octopuce to Cursys
>searx.libmail.eu Rezopole A.D.
>searx.linux.pizza Telia Company AB
>searx.nakhan.net OVH SAS
>searx.nixnet.xyz NETCUP-GMBH
>searx.nogafa.org OVH ISP
>searx.nulltime.net Hetzner
>searx.openhoofd.nl ZeelandNet
>searx.pofilo.fr OVH SAS
>searx.prvcy.eu Hetzner Online GmbH
>searx.pwoss.xyz DigitalOcean, LLC
>searx.remote-shell.net Online S.A.S.
>searx.riseup.net Riseup Networks
>searx.ru Hetzner
>searx.s42.space VT-POOL4-rec1001aihr001
>searx.selea.se Telia Company AB
>searx.site Contabo GmbH
>searx.solusar.de BSB-SERVICE
>searx.targaryen.house HETZNER-DC
>searx.tyil.nl LeaseWeb Netherlands B.V.
>searx.xyz Hetzner
>searx.zareldyn.net OVH ISP
>searx.zdechov.net Internext 2000
>seeks.hsbp.org Flattr AB
>suche.elaon.de meerfarbig GmbH & Co. KG
>suche.ftp.sh JonasPasche
>tontonroger.org Hetzner
>trouvons.org Hetzner
>trovu.komun.org CONTABO
>wtf.roflcopter.fr Online S.A.S.
>www.searxs.eu AMS-VPSSERVERCOM


Nanonymous No.1993 [D] >>1995

>>1992
Would be nice to have a meta-meta Searx proxy for these Searx instance

Nanonymous No.1994 [D]

>>1991
Not image searches, just regular web searches.
I think it was on searx.me. I'll try and find some concrete examples, I think 'celebrity' or cartoon character names can often result in pornhub links near the top.
Frankly I can understand why a privacy-focused proxy would be recommended porn from previous searches. I've also noticed a bias towards tech-savvy results, which is useful.

Not going to lie, I didn't check for a safe-search option.

Nanonymous No.1995 [D]

>>1993
do you mean this:
>>1667

I did use searxes before the host got pwnt and nuked

Nanonymous No.2023 [D]

>It is hosted on Amazon Web Services
This alone should be enough reason to drop them. Amazon is a cancer and they're in the data brokering business just like Facebook, Google, etc. There's no telling what they can do with a back door to thousands of services on the internet.

Search should remain as decentralized as possible so we can avoid another Google. This is possible through meta search engines like Searx, which combine results from several centralized indexes. But decentralized indexes should be built as well. Yacy is one example, but it would be nice if there were other projects like this.

Indexing the world's information should be a collaborative human effort, not left in the hands of a few private companies who will inevitably wish to exploit their position as gatekeepers of knowledge.

Nanonymous No.2219 [D]

https://stats.searx.xyz/ (clearnet links)
https://stats.searx.xyz/tor.html (tor)

http://search.4bkxscubgtxwvhpe.onion/
http://nxhhwbbxc4khvvlw.onion/
http://searx.cwuzdtzlubq5uual.onion/
http://juy4e6eicawzdrz7.onion/
http://ulrn6sryqaifefld.onion/
http://suche.xyzco456vwisukfg.onion/
http://searx7gwtu5rh6wr.onion
http://o2jdk5mdsijm2b7l.onion/
http://searchb5a7tmimez.onion/
don't trust me, check for yourself

Nanonymous No.2224 [D] >>2226 >>2229

I don't understand the hate against ddg. It spreads privacy awareness to normalfags and technically savvy users can just use the onion they provide.
https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion


Nanonymous No.2226 [D] >>2260 >>2261

>>2224
>t. weinberg
"Privacy awareness" is literally useless. Those normalfags are just going to be using the cucknet service with javashit turned on, just like they would use jewgle. The only thing which makes it more """(((private)))""" is that some jew said so. Said jew also operated a literal datamining company (the Names Database) before (((he))) started work on DDG.

Nanonymous No.2229 [D] >>2261

>>2224
>I don't understand why you could possibly not like this service that pretends it doesn't harvest your data when it actually does!
All it spreads is the false sense of privacy, which is counter-productive. I love how you absolute retards will always word things in that slimey fucking way.
>i-it spreads (((awareness))) so it's not all bad because before the idea was never even in their heads!
So fucking what? It's just as simple to just use searx. And what exactly is "tech savvy" about putting an onion link into tor? As if I want to deal with duckduckjew redirecting me to the nonJS webpage every single fucking time I want to search something.

Nanonymous No.2234 [D] >>2235 >>2242 >>2259

Searx instance forwards your IP to google and bing when doing search.
Searching anything on ddg/startpage returns SEO garbage. Searching sites is impossible, no dorks, no localized/language-adjusted web.
Now back to google: if you don't have a google account or don't use it long enough for botnet to remember browser fingerprint and adjust to your specific needs, it will return SEO garbage too. I noticed this pattern of dumbifying search results in 2014 when apparently their algorithms changed, I've seen other people complain about it on imageboards. Then I deleted my account and it became even worse, then I stopped using Google and now my internet life goes on severely handicapped nightmare mode, although I tend to use web less and less these days.

Nanonymous No.2235 [D][U][F] >>2237
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>>2234
>Searx instance forwards your IP to google and bing when doing search
Not if you're using tor it doesn't.
Also do you have evidence for that?

Nanonymous No.2236 [D]

Sometimes when I use cucknet DDG over tor it gives this message:
>We've detected that you have connected over Tor. There appears to be an issue with the Tor Exit Node you are currently using. Please recreate your Tor circuit or restart your Tor browser in order to fix this. If this error persists, please let us know: <email address>
This smells like bullshit to me. It should be
>We've detected that the exit node you're using isn't kosher. Please switch to a kosher exit node. Thanks goy.

Nanonymous No.2237 [D] >>2238

>>2235
It doesn't matter if you're using Tor or not. For evidence, read the source code.

Nanonymous No.2238 [D][U][F] >>2241
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>>2237
>durr they managed to break tor
>somehow this isn't already common knowledge
Ok bro
>read the source code
Which file and which lines

Nanonymous No.2241 [D] >>2243

>>2238
Huh? Tor is not at all broken. It does exactly what it says on the box.
I don't know specifically which files and which lines. Trying looking for yourself, or don't you audit the software you use?

Nanonymous No.2242 [D] >>2243

>>2234
>Searx instance forwards your IP to google and bing when doing search
what
holy fuck don't they get results with their IP? It's "privacy search"

Nanonymous No.2243 [D]

>>2241
>It does exactly what it says on the box.
Which means, your IP won't be revealed to searx or jewgle.
>I don't know specifically which files and which lines.
Then you're bullshitting. KYS weinberg.
>Try looking for yourself
No.
>don't you audit the software you use?
No.
>>2242
That guy is either trolling or retarded

Nanonymous No.2259 [D] >>2262

>>2234
>Searx instance forwards your IP to google and bing when doing search.
This?
># attach callback to the post search hook
># request: flask request object
># ctx: the whole local context of the pre search hook
>def post_search(request, search):
> if search.search_query.pageno > 1:
> return True
> if search.search_query.query == b'ip':
> x_forwarded_for = request.headers.getlist("X-Forwarded-For")
> if x_forwarded_for:
> ip = x_forwarded_for[0]
> else:
> ip = request.remote_addr
> search.result_container.answers.clear()
> search.result_container.answers.add(ip)
>[...]
https://github.com/asciimoo/searx/blob/686a9428d4962f52ff51d0042a7dab1f754f6639/searx/plugins/self_info.py#L28

Nanonymous No.2260 [D]

>>2226
This reminds me of firefoxs use of google analytics. They only use it because they have a written "promise" of google that they don't do anything with the data

Nanonymous No.2261 [D] >>2263 >>2264 >>2269

>>2226
>>2229
What the fuck is your problem? It's stupid to trust ddg, but it is probably as stupid to trust searx because they can run whatever the fuck they want on their servers.
That's why you use their onion links, you eliminate trust from the equation. Jewgle straight up block tor users most of the time

Nanonymous No.2262 [D]

>>2259 (responding to myself)
Nope, this is just to display your IP if your query is "ip":
>Self Informations
>Displays your IP if the query is "ip" and your user agent if the query contains "user agent".
https://searx.me/preferences

Nanonymous No.2263 [D] >>2289

>>2261
Even for .onion links you need trust, how can you be sure you access legit link and not some scam? It's easy to impersonate here.

Nanonymous No.2264 [D] >>2265 >>2269

>>2261
>It's stupid to trust ddg, but it is probably as stupid to trust searx because they can run whatever the fuck they want on their servers.
No shit retard. No one should trust any of these services at all, but that's not how normalfags operate. DuckDuckJew is ran by a literal jew who's entire career is selling user data. Searx is just a simple middleman. It functions perfectly with niggerscript and hasn't had years of constant slipups showing they collect data for the "user experience" like duckduckjew has.
>like oh my god what the fuck is your problem???
Why do you type like a woman speaks? I've outlined in multiple posts exactly what the problem is with duckduckjew. At this point I'm just repeating myself. No one is saying that you should blindly trust searx. But if I were to bet on which one is farming it's user data I'm going to go with the one ran by a jew who's known for collecting user data.

What is the purpose of being a duckduckjew fanboy? You can literally just use duckduckjew through searx. It's not even remotely difficult for anyone, including normalfags to switch to searx. Sperging out about windows as your OS is something understandable, because it can be quite difficult for idiot to change operating systems. But to throw such a bitch fit or something so easily solved is beyond me.

Nanonymous No.2265 [D]

>>2264
*without niggerscript

Nanonymous No.2269 [D][U][F]
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>>2264
>they collect data...
there's no "them" in case of searx, unless you are referring to searx.me
>>2261
using duckjew is pain, you have to enter "https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/lite", wait a few long seconds and then start typing, and you can't even search for images.
Searching through searx is easier and faster from the search bar and you still can search for images.
duck is jew, you husky

Nanonymous No.2280 [D]

>>1663
DDG is reddit tier cancer. "muh privacy" has never been a reason to use anything, it's just a piece of shit.
>>1920
I suspected that as one of many fucktarded reasons back about 10 years ago. Shove your protectionism up your ass.

Nanonymous No.2289 [D]

>>2263
As long as that onion link has a working searx instance, I don't care what it is. I don't need to trust it. That's the whole point.

Nanonymous No.2294 [D]

i miss seeks
its stupid ppl consider searx an alternative to seeks when it just backends on cucked shit all over again
t. searx+yacy