it's completely useless. it can't run without javashit, it can't be accessed through a local client, their "encryption" is 100% useless since they store the keys, and there's no hidden service.
cock.li is the least cancerous email service, because you don't need to trust vincent canfield for it to work. you can use offline pgp to encrypt your email and you can access it through a hidden service.
>>2658 >not available on linux
lol what does that even mean
cock.li is the only real option as far as privacy concerns go, but cockli domains are all blacklisted and auto blocked/flagged as spam by gmail, et al, so good luck conducting any normalfag/business/social/job related activities.
learn what is involved in hosting your own and don't look back.
Almost every single email service is a scam or honeypot. The only ones that are half decent are ran by anarcho commies who make you pledge your allegiance to the fight against racism to use their shit. It's well established by now that basically the only clearnet email service that's viable to use without niggerscript is cock.li. Cock.li routinely has its servers raided by the government, as most email providers do but don't admit as cock.li does. If you aren't encrypting all of your shit you're a retard.
There's so many of these placebo services popping up that claim privacy, and all the normalfags eat that shit up. How about we just get normalfags to starting using pgp instead of all this placebo privacy shit.
They are aware their solution isn't the best and their operation scheme puts a lot of trust back to their own service to work.
Tor Project website maintains a short list of websites with (optional) hidden services. RiseUp and Autistici/Inventati should be one of the most secure email services currently but they are left-leaning (which might not fly well here) so I also recommend cock.li as a professional alternative.
ProtonVPN is being operated by a data mining firm called Tesonet >This is the summary of evidence provided by PIA:
> krn 31 days ago [-]
> What PIA co-founder proofed in this thread so far:
> ProtonVPN UAB lists Tesonet's CEO as a director
> ProtonVPN UAB is operated from Tesonet HQ in Vilnius, Lithuania
> ProtonVPN UAB uses previous Tesonet's technical employees
> ProtonVPN uses IP address blocks that belong to Tesonet
> ProtonVPN mobile app is signed by Tesonet
> It seems, that ProtonVPN is a free VPN service by a data mining company from Lithuania.
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8x9aik/protonvpn_is_being_operated_by_a_data_mining_firm/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17258203
(not even gonna post ProtonVPN's response/cover-up)
>>2666 >ProtonMail was featured in Seasons 1 and 3 of the American TV drama series Mr. Robot in December 2017.[49]
>ProtonMail is mentioned in the 2015 Bear Grylls novel Ghost Flight.[50]
Popular media promoting ProtonMail, hmm.
>>2667 Didn't they also promote the pirate's bay in a couple of episodes? I don't think they are necessarily paying for promotion seeing they have been taken down multiple times because of their notoriety.
tips and guides on self-hosting email? people i talk to only complain about the blacklists and refuse to share their insights.
>inb4 rtfm and do it yourself
>>2666 >>2667 portentious indeed, satan
popular media is all advertising of corporate garbage or anti-white crap anyway. lol the Bear Grylls novel sounds like a tom clancy thing by the title.
have some archives for those links
archivecaslytosk.onion/gf54N
archivecaslytosk.onion/1vaZ8
archivecaslytosk.onion/fEDV5
>fEDV5
>>2669 >tv
don't watch tv any more, tell more? feds and kikewood probably want more people using it so they can scoop up more ips for (((copyright infringement))).
also wasn't Mr Robot the same show that the (((mozilla foundation))) put an ad for into firefucks?
>>2669 >I don't think they are necessarily paying for promotion
Of course, they don't have to, they also promoted GNOME and KDE on Mr. Robot but those are freely available, idk.
>>2669 >couldnt you use any email service and use pgp and be secure?
Well that's another problem with ProtonMail, a single PGP private key... if that's compromised at any given time all previous and next message encrypted for that private key will be compromised.
>>2670 Thanks for archiving, also yes Mr. Robot was the show that was promoted by Mozilla by installing an extension in everyone's(?) Firefox install.
>>2658 Israel has it's hand in all manner of infosec companies, sketchy as hell for sure. For some reason all software with israel ties are shit. There needs to be a dig sometime reguarding israel and tech. As for proton mail it seems to be a shit meme so the normalfags feel like they aren't helpless after snowden leaks.
>>2673 the jew/silicon valley connection cannot be understated. really a lot of software and tech related subjects nowadays are ashkenazi rabbit holes of inscrutable nonsense when you step back and look at them. white men figured out the core principles of computer science in the early-mid 20th century, and kikes infected it, as they infect everything, from the 1970s onward and it was basically game over by the year 2000. so many dotcom era companies were started by jews it's not even funny.
I'm using mail2tor for anything really anonymous.
What about you?
E-mail seems like a real anti-privacy thing when you realize it's bound to clearnet addresses.
There is SusiMail hosted in I2P with optional clearnet addresses if anyone's interested. Though I don't think I2P can defend against MITM attacks so use it with caution.
>>2658 Oh great /pol/ found nano/tech/.
>is ProtonMail a honeypot
I dunno, but who cares? Why are you trusting email? Protonmail makes you go through hoops for no reason (massive bloat JS to provide fake end-to-end crypto, phone/donation for sign up)
>>2678 >I'm using mail2tor for anything really anonymous.
I like torbox, which like mail2tor lets you login without JS. but being onion-only, it is restricted to handful of onion mail relays (many of which are now defunct). the service itself is solid, though.
>E-mail seems like a real anti-privacy thing when you realize it's bound to clearnet addresses.
exactly right. the most you can hope for is a provider that strips IPs from outgoing messages, keeps all storage encrypted, is tor-friendly, and avoids keeping logs that will likely be requested at some future date. perhaps only mailbox.org and posteo fit these conditions and are also competent for general use (i.e., I'd consider these even for professional use), but cock.li is probably the best if prevalent grey/blacklisting by major providers poses no issue for you.
I made a Protonmail account without giving them my phone number then tried to login about a month later but couldn't. I know I didn't forget my password but it kept telling me that. It seemed like they shadow deleted the account. So if you don't give them your phone number to make their data harvesting operation easier they delete your account and gaslight you like you forgot your password. Protonmail lets you create an account without a phone number unlike (((GMail))) though.
>>3039 Only if you are trying to sign up through Tor. Never had this problem when setting up a Protonmail account without any proxies or VPNs in between.
I made a Protonmail account in highschool because I was a faggot who though it was better than gmail, which I guess it may be due to no Google. I have no delusions of it being secure, but I still use it for normalfag shit. Unfortunately, most places of business don't use pgp, so that isn't really an option for applying to jobs and such. Definitely did not give them my phone number though.
>>3068 >most places of business don't use pgp, so that isn't really an option for applying to jobs and such
Are you retarded? You aren't forced to use pgp.
>>3071 What >>3072 said. I know that I am not forced to use pgp. I was commenting on the inability to use pgp for normal email things, like applying to jobs, since other places don't use it.
>cock.li is the least cancerous email service, because you don't need to trust vincent canfield for it to work.
Do not use this for any lolicon artwork or anything suggestive of underage attractions. He expresses passionate, open hatred and no scruples about how he deals with people using his services. Is that a front because he is a pederast? Maybe, but I would not risk it.
>no option to run without pajeetscript
>puts your private key on (((their))) server so you can access it anywhere (but so could they)
>Created scientists from CERN and MIT and got funding from 12 states
>Israel became CERN's 21st Member State on 6 January 2014
>Israel and MIT: Celebrating eight years of growth at the Institute
>no POP3 support
>offers Proton Bridge as alternative
>only available for paid ProtonMail users
>not available on Linux
So /g/ should we use a .onion email service or host our own servers locally for privacy?