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Religious study Nanonymous No.1884 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>1885 >>2252
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I believe that we should study the religions in detail to get a clue on what a possible move could be. Remember if you know your enemies and know yourself you have an unparalleled advantage in a conflict. Whether or not you think the religion in question is our enemy or our ally I believe we should study said religion before drawing conclusions. For instance you should read the bible before judging christianity or any other religious text before drawing a conclusion. That way we will know for definite whether the religion was made hostile or not. We could even use the knowledge of previous religions to create a new religion which could minimize the flaws with the previous ones while still maintaining there strengths.
Religion is one of the fundamental aspects of a civilization it gives the people a moral compass to follow and allows the building of a greater society depending on the morals. You may think that religion is unnessacary but you have to realize that this could hell world that we reside in is because of the lack of faith in religion and the weakness of the populace. The lemming theory is 100% truth and only 10% of the population truly matter in the grand scheme of things this is why throughout a majority of history only a select few people ever managed to accomplish great things.
I have got a list of a lot of religious texts feel free to study through them and help out with this.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm



Nanonymous No.1885 [D] >>1889

>>1884
Yes, much of their plans are clearly written in their religious texts. But Jews have a tendency of creating their own interpretations or simply lying about what their texts say, they aren't really strictly religious and mainly seek power and control.

The Talmud can be read here, by the way:
http://comeandhear.com
http://www.come-and-hear.com
https://israelect.com/Come-and-Hear/
http://mirror.macintosharchive.org/ca.cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/unsorted/come-and-hear-complete.zip

Nanonymous No.1887 [D] >>1888

Thanks anon dealing with the jews should be top priority.

Nanonymous No.1888 [D] >>1889

>>1887
Minor off-topic question, should it be "jews" or "Jews" and why?

Nanonymous No.1889 [D][U][F]
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>>1885
It can be said about any followers of any ideology/movement/religion.
>creating their own interpretations
the very first and (((intended))) interpretation is still interpretation
>>1888
lower case
jews are not worth shift

also daily reminder that old testament is based and that christianity is jewish sect

Nanonymous No.1891 [D]

>the very first and (((intended))) interpretation is still interpretation
True.
>jews are not worth shift
That's a good argument :)
>old testament is based and that christianity is jewish sect
Uwotmate?

Nanonymous No.2252 [D] >>2253 >>2255

>>1884
I share your sense of urgency in the desire to form a new religion, anon. Whites have been brainwashed to believe that religion is unnecessary, when nothing could be further from the truth. A nation unified in race is strong; a nation unified in race and religion is stronger still. Our people have lost both those pillars of stability today, and the spiritual sickness shows itself as rampant sexual deviance, drug addiction, hedonism, suicide rates etc. that comes as the result of aimlessness. In times past, people would look to God in times of desperation, and their faith (and the faith shared with those around them) helped them find renewed strength and encourage them to pull through. Further, faith is available to everyone, at any time, regardless of his status or station in life. A man with children might be able to find the strength to carry on for the good of his children, where a man without children doesn't; both men may find strength in religion.
WLP attempted to reinvent religion with Cosmotheism which, despite having a completely gay name, has a lot going for it. It would serve as a useful foundation from which to build the next iteration.

Nanonymous No.2253 [D] >>2282

>>2252
Religion isn't something you can force artificially, unless you're subversive kike of course. In the modern era an effective fascist government should be more than enough to keep people happy and productive. It's simply unrealistic to expect any gain from pushing spirituality onto people, and can very likely end up being counter-productive. To those who have capable minds, logic and reason will prevail, to those who have weak minds, authority will. If your authority is strong of reason/logic, and strong of will, then there's nothing to fear. The natural course of the west when given unlimited freedom of choice and freedom of lifestyle was degeneracy. I honestly don't think religion sways these things in either direction for people who aren't brain dead. Maybe if your goal is to control subhumans it might be worth your time, but I'd rather just not have to live around them to begin with.

Nanonymous No.2255 [D]

>>2252
>Muh man in da sky
At best, you can think of "god" as the forces of nature i.e. natural selection, which punishes the degenerate, the lazy and the weak. All the other parts of religion are old cruft which lets subversive elements in society gain control more easily. Plus it makes you sound like a stupid magaboomer when you babble about muh jesus and muh moses. The moral elements of Christianity are more or less OK, but Christians fail to acknowledge that the forces which enforce these morals are not sentient.

Nanonymous No.2273 [D] >>2275

All religions are stories based on the movements of stars and planets. Watch some Jordan Maxwell videos on astro theology.

Nanonymous No.2275 [D]

>>2273
Yes, I think Astrology has played a huge role in the ancient world, I have yet to scratch the surface about it but it seems intertwined with many ancient beliefs, religions, buildings, etc.
>Watch some Jordan Maxwell videos on astro theology.
Will probably have to filter out the bullshit, might be interesting.

Nanonymous No.2282 [D] >>2285 >>2324

>>2253
What I fear is that you've swallowed the jewish lie that any form of spirituality is for idiots and is beneath you. Meanwhile, the jews reserve a connection to the spiritual for themselves, while stigmatizing it for us.

Who do you think is stronger in his convictions:
- the jew that believes, mind, body, and soul that he is divinely chosen by God to inherit the earth
- the White man that uses "reason and logic" to convince himself that, according to a combination of arbitrary metrics, his race ought to survive.

Of the two, who do you think is more impassioned? Who do you think is more willing to sacrifice for his cause? Who do you think will do what needs to be done, whatever the cost? And let's be honest here, who currently has the upper hand?

I'm not suggesting that we abandon reason and logic altogether, only that reason and logic is no substitute for the life force of spirituality and growth, and ought be given its proper place. Let reason and logic govern our tactics and strategy so that we make decisions effectively; let our spirit guide us to victory because the thread of life flows unbroken in time through us from the moment of creation to eternity, and it is our duty to those before and after, that we CONTINUE it unbroken.

Don't know about you, anon, but a timeless, spiritual connection to the life-essence of my people fills me with more fight than a catalogue of cold facts like "we have higher IQs than niggers".


Nanonymous No.2285 [D]

>>2282
>What I fear is that you've swallowed the jewish lie that any form of spirituality is for idiots and is beneath you
I didn't say spirtuality is for idiots, though I understand the concern from what I wrote. What I'm saying is that no one but idiots are going to adopt some artificially spawned spirituality well into their adulthood, especially a state imposed spirtuality. Highly intelligent and productive people can have individual spirituality all they want.
>Who do you think is stronger in his convictions:
It's not a question of whether or not religion can be beneficial, it most certainly can. But the reality is it's simply unrealistic to expect to utilize it in the near future. If I thought it was worth the effort I'd be on board, but pushing religion along side ethno nationalism only causes more problems than it solves.

The most I could possibly hope for is to get more people going to church so they can get decent wives, but even that can lead to serious cuckery in some instances. The notion that we can possibly unify whites under a modern artificial nu-religion is frankly just silly. Perhaps a revised version of Christianity would be the only viable route, but then you're associated with something that's fundamentally intertwined with the jews. It's a hard pill to swallow. I know I'd much rather have it your way if it were possible.

Nanonymous No.2313 [D]

God is dead. You are 200 years late to the train. Your chances to invent a new religion or revive already present one are nil.

Nanonymous No.2324 [D] >>2325

>>2282
The jews don't believe in their god. They see it as just a bunch of fairy tales with a nice morale behind them which they never follow for whatever reason. This is why Yahuwah basically decided to retract their covenant when they nailed his living son to a cross instead of accepting him as their messiah.
The reason the jews are as powerful as they are is because they have help from satan. The jews main supply of power comes directly from satan as he deceives the world. Now where does satan operate from. Well that is quite simple. He operates from the vatican. The papacy is blasphemous to god in every way that it is laughable and the fact that a majority of people are ignoring gods legitimate words which is the bible and instead listening to a man in white robes really shows how easy it is for man to be deceived.
Satan wants you to break the 10 commandments. When the vatican was formed by constatine he conveniently changed the sabbath day from saturday to sunday(The actual sabbath is from friday sunset to saturday sunset). If you don't know the 10 commandments are.
1. Thou shall have no other god before me
2. Thou shall not commit idolatry
3. Thou shall love thy neighbour as thy love thyself
4. Thou shall keep the sabbath day holy
5. Thou shall honor the father and your mother
6. Thou shall not kill
7. Thou shall not commit adultery
8. Thou shall not steal
9. Thou shall not desire thou neighbours possessions.
10. You shall not take the lords name in vain.
tell me one of these that jews actively follow.
The 10 tribes of israel that were lost are europeans. Want to know why I believe this? Well it is pretty simple. Its because it lines up with the Caucasus mountain theory. You see because of the 12 tribes idolatry and other sins we were punished by God. The 10 tribes were captured by the Assyrians and then deported to the Caucasus mountains which is how we ended up in Europe. This also explains how paganism was our religion because of the idolatry. The kingdom of Judah was punished by being captured by Babylon and then destroyed by Rome.
Generally read the bible never take mans word for it and read the non catholic version. Also beware of mormons and jehovah witnesses for they are cults.

Nanonymous No.2325 [D]

>>2324
Just going to add the reason that the vatican changed sabbath from saturday to sunday is mainly because all you have to do is break one of the commandments in order to damage the relationship with the lord not all ten of them.

Nanonymous No.2326 [D] >>2329

>2324
>tell me one of these that jews actively follow.
All of them. You miss the context. The Commandments were given to the Jews for the Jews to be used among the Jews. So they do.
And things get lost in the translation, that is why the Jews still learn Classical Hebrew.
So that "Do not kill" is more like "do not murder" in the original, using the verb denoting unlawful murder, a killing with no good reason, while for example genociding them Hanaanites or other goys is totally allowed and encouraged because reasons.
Or how you are not allowed to "desire thou neighbours possessions", the focus on neighbours. As in kin-dred, tribe mates, not everyone everywhere. Jewing a goy out of his possessions is allowed and encouraged. And so long and the like.

Proper translation is EXTREMELY important, because ANY translation loses some information and warps the other. Several translation in a row it is zero signal all noise. This is why neither Old Testament nor Quran are allowed to be translated to other languages, and why the Bible was not translated from Ecclesiastical Latin for so long, or stayed in Ancient Greek.

And that is not picking on a Jewish theory that their own Old Testament was a literary work of a court scribe who had too much free time on his/her hands and collected an antology of myths and folk tales out of pure literary amusement, and edited it as such. Like think about the story of David and Bathsheba, pure Mexican soap opera.
Same with everything else in the Old Testament. A work of literary fiction made for amusement. Well, until the plebs made it up to be a Holy Book.

This is the reason the Jews have the Oral Torah, and of the Old Testament use only five books.

>The 10 tribes of israel that were lost are europeans
Of course you have no genetic, archeological or anthropological evidence to support this bold statement, except for desert folks' fairytales invented out of boredom, amirite?
Because Indo-European paganism is so close to specifically modern and edited Semitic monotheism, sure.

>The 10 tribes were captured by the Assyrians and then deported to the Caucasus mountains
Assyrians never ruled the Caucasus, so they couldn't resettle anyone there. The Caucasus has no evidence of large scale Jewish presence, especially that early.
Worse still, the valleys are settled by extremely insular folks who tolerate no strangers, and north of that you have Scythians and Sarmatians, not the nicest folks to allow foreign invaders in. Cimmerians from the steppe already wrecked Assyria just fine and settled wherever they pleased.

Nanonymous No.2329 [D]

>>2326
At the end of the day God still broke the covenant with the jews because of their disobedience. You cannot refute this because the new testament directly passes on gods covenant from the jews unto the gentiles.
>Of course you have no genetic, archeological or anthropological evidence to support this bold statement.
Not necessarily but its certainly hinted at especially in the bible. Firstly when I said the 10 tribes were captured by the Assyrians. The Israelites were more exiled than deported that was me just using a wrong word. This documentary is where I got most of my information from so if you want to watch it be my guest.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=fbbSVjVWX-4

Nanonymous No.2330 [D] >>2331

I cannot refute a fairy-tale made up by Jews then used by Rome to force its plebs into obedience. Why would I want to, anyway. I doesn't matter. God is dead. Whatever Christianity used to be, it is all a LARP anyway, a costly and subversive at that, hence easily jacked by forced that be.

>Of course you have no genetic, archeological or anthropological evidence to support this bold statement
>its certainly hinted at especially in the [old book name]
Some old myths compilations revised, edited and translated dozens of times *maybe* hinting at something is not an argument.
Please stop living by fairy-tales compiled by Ancient Jews for pure amusement.

Nanonymous No.2331 [D] >>2333

>>2330
Yes because jews saying jesus is in boiling execrement in hell is surely a ploy by jews for pure amusement. They revile the man. Mainly because he basically told them to stop acting like kikes and when they crucified him then jesus turned over to us.

Nanonymous No.2333 [D]

>>2331
So, just because Jews many centuries after Jesus wrote something bad about Jesus somehow makes their fairy tales not fairy tales? And Jesus becomes a historical person because many centuries after his supposed death people oppressed by Christians made a sick meme about their oppressors' icon to help themselves?
What is this, Argumentum ad Iudaeium?

Nicene Christianity is a lie made up by a falling empire to keep its serfs pacified, hopefully to entice some extremely subversive Jews (I see a pattern here, lol) to stop their jewings for once by both using Jewish myths and themes to entice them and providing a reason to brutalize those Jews who woulnd't convert. When it didn't work good enough, the likes of Theodosius started eradicating native cultures and cults by state enforced violence, forcing the Kool Aid on plebs not unlike modern Progressive Multiculti is forced by the ruling oligarchy on plebs by violence. Same with stamping out other Christian societies/memes that didn't adhere to the imperial dogma.
Being obsessed with Jews due to Nicene dogma is precisely the thing the empire implanted onto its people to combat Jewish subversion, because the Jews were the only conquered tribe resisting all attempts at assimilation.

Don't you see the irony here? Parroting political memes from 1700 years ago based on a compilation of fairy-tales made up of severely distorted origin myths of Banu Setim tribe of Amorean nomads fucking goats on the outskirts of Sumer. It would be astonishing if not so ridiculous as to make ready-to-use zealots 4000 years later.

Nanonymous No.2375 [D]

>Roman Empire, 1st century AD
>Hellenistic Paganism dominant
>Christ gets crucified
>Christianity is spread across the empire as far north as Britain, becomes a large minority religion
>Roman emperors heavily persecute Christianity, throw Christians into lions, force them to be gladiators
>fast forward into the 4th century
>classical paganism is in decline
>most intellectuals adopt the Sol Invictus cult
>Diocletian heavily persecutes Christians even more
>in living memory of this, Constantine legalises Christianity, it becomes the dominant religion
>b-but it was just adopted to pacify plebs

Nanonymous No.2380 [D]

>Roman emperors heavily persecute Christianity, throw Christians into lions, force them to be gladiators
>Diocletian heavily persecutes Christians even more
And the fucks STILL don't want to submit when other submitted.
So you do same what you do with anything you can't change or stop.

If it can't be stopped, you'd better lead the way. Hence Christianity gets accepted as a State religion above all else (luckily everything else was already curbstomped, so not much of resistance is offered), gets the Nicene Creed, the State approved Councils and all the State involvement leads to, including but not limited to corruption, embezzlement, pederasty, promiscuity, taxes and killing people who don't pay church taxes - that kind of typically Christian things.
Of course everyone NOT accepting the State approved Christian Kool Aid get double the persecution until they fuck off to Persia or Mongolia or wherever, you convert to Islam out of sheer butthurt.

Nanonymous No.2381 [D]

>If it can't be stopped, you'd better lead the way
So your logic is basically that since the Christians never stopped being Christians, that Constantine and the Romans said "screw it, let's become Christians" for just that particular reason, and the rest of history happens as it did.
>the State approved Councils and all the State involvement leads to, including but not limited to corruption, embezzlement, pederasty, promiscuity
>implying Pagan Rome wasn't degenerate yet was after Christianity

Nanonymous No.2385 [D]

>"screw it, let's become Christians"
This is the image they wanted to have.
>"screw it, let's make them a controlled imperial institution instead of a ragtag sect of dissidents"
This is what they wanted to achieve. To turn Christianity into an imperial ideology and have Christians do all the heavy lifting for them. Non-imperial Christian sects were persecuted just as before, the reason why they fled to Persia or massively turned to Muslims after centuries of mistreatment.

The thing was never about their particular minutiae of belief "preventing Salvation" or whatever, but about paying the fucking taxes to whatever bishops gets appointed there by the imperial power and showing your loyalty to boot. They just substituted Jesus on the Cross instead of the Emperor's Idol. Eventually many of them could get high on their own Kool-Aid.
And it works. Look at yourself in the mirror. You suppose the emperors were Christians because they said so, no further proof needed.
It's like Marxists claiming to be pro-workers while never working a day in their life and wishing to enslave their own followers. But they SAY they profess their own dogma, so it must be true...

Nanonymous No.2387 [D] >>2386

>To turn Christianity into an imperial ideology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKBGdv07nQ


Nanonymous No.2388 [D]

>Non-imperial Christian sects were persecuted just as before, the reason why they fled to Persia or massively turned to Muslims after centuries of mistreatment
You're specifically referring to the Nestorians here (who fled to Persia and partially allied themselves with the Muslims). They again, weren't attacked because they weren't in line with Rome, but because they were heretical. Nestorius was literally the archbishop of Constantinople, which was the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire. There was nothing "un-Roman" about him. The reason why the Nestorians were attacked is because Nestorius rejected the hypostatic union, and was condemned as a heretic in the Council of Ephesus. Then many of the Nestorians fled to Persia, and eventually joined the non-Chalcedonian Orthodox churches there.
TL;DR: the persecutions of those groups weren't because they were not in line with the Roman emperor.

Nanonymous No.2389 [D] >>2390

>They again, weren't attacked because they weren't in line with Rome, but because they were heretical
>The thing was never about their particular minutiae of belief "preventing Salvation" or whatever, but about paying the fucking taxes to whatever bishops gets appointed there by the imperial power
<they were heretical
Lol. By the notes.

Nanonymous No.2390 [D]

>>2389
I literally just said there was nothing anti-Roman about Nestorius or the Nestorians themselves.

Nanonymous No.2394 [D]

You said that with nothing to back it up. Because Nestorius and Cyril of Alexandria had so much beef between themselves emperor Theodosius II had to intervene in Cyril's favour (and Cyril was a piece of ass, which is remarkable), and the Chalcedon Council anathema'd Nestorius and his followers. Considering that the Church was a mandatory imperial organization, Nestorius had the very State mark him an outcast, as well as his followers.

You did confirm that many Nestorians were forced out, and then you say they didn't have anything anti-Roman. Dude! They literally were. The Church was literally Rome, and the Church damned them for having opinions on Constantinople and Alexandria politicking around.

Nanonymous No.2396 [D]

The thing is, he was attacked on a theological basis (denying the hypostatic union) by the Church and the Empire, not because he was a political threat in other means.

Nanonymous No.2398 [D]

So, again. He himself wasn't implicitly anti-Roman. He didn't want to break away from the Church himself. It was because his doctrine on the hypostatic union was deemed heretical by Rome at the Ephesian Council that they had to move east.

Nanonymous No.2400 [D]

>He himself wasn't implicitly anti-Roman
He had an opinion decreed to be wrong. He refused to change his opinion like the Roman State ordered him. He was charged guilty of wrongthink by the State. What else do you need.
You don't need to shout "down with the caesar" to be anti-Rome, sometimes being White or thinking things is more than enough.

You think thought-crimes were invented yesterday? Heresy is the old word for though-crime. Disagreeing with the state Church was enough.
I didn't even touch the genocides of Albigensian crusade nor of the 30 years war, because that shit was endemic to the Church that is Rome.
Rome. Church. The Roman Catholic Church. It still lives and feels itself fine while fucking boys paid for by mandatory donations.



Nanonymous No.2401 [D]

>He had an opinion decreed to be wrong. He refused to change his opinion like the Roman State ordered him. He was charged guilty of wrongthink by the State.
A heretic who kept promoting his heresy that he failed to defend, of course. It still didn't mean he rejected the entirety of the Roman Church like Luther did however.
>You think thought-crimes were invented yesterday? Heresy is the old word for though-crime. Disagreeing with the state Church was enough.
It wasn't "anything that isn't fully subservient to Rome must be excommunicated and outed as a heretic". They had all their debates over what was heretical or not.
>Albigensian crusade
Cathars were literally the epitome of degeneracy and hedonism. They were neo-gnostics, destroyed traditional gender roles via their extreme feminism, opposed marriage but were okay with fornication, thought non-procreative sex was superior to procreative sex, promoted veganism, etc. and Catholic legates were sent to stop Catharism and all of its degeneracy. The knight Raymond VI defended the Cathars, and killed their director, Pierre de Castelnau, and that's what started the Crusade. It was completely justified.
>30 years war
The Protestants did more damage during that war. Sure, there were the witch-hunts on the Catholic side, but the Swedes burned down 18,000 villages and 1,500 towns in Germany alone.
>Rome. Church. The Roman Catholic Church. It still lives and feels itself fine while fucking boys paid for by mandatory donations.
<muh pedo priests
Oh please.

Nanonymous No.2403 [D]

>A heretic wrongthinker who kept promoting his heresy wrongthink that he failed to defend, of course.
Now it usually wouldn't be a problem yes? To each their own? Nope, nobody defies the state institute of Rome.

>It wasn't "anything that isn't fully subservient to Rome must be excommunicated and outed as a heretic". They had all their debates over what was heretical or not.
Well, for a comparison "they had all their debates over what was racist or not". So eventually they called Theodosius II to settle the issue, and he did. X is true, because otherwise the emperor will fuck you.

>Cathars were literally the epitome of degeneracy and hedonism
<Narrated by Roman Church people who literally genocided them for not paying money to the Roman Church
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Because Roman Popes were such epitomes of virtue and ascetism sitting on the largest pile of money this side of Constantinople. I wonder what other sources say
>The Cathars originated from an anti-materialist reform movement within the Bogomil churches of Dalmatia and Bulgaria calling for a return to the Christian message of perfection, poverty and preaching, combined with a rejection of the physical to the point of starvation. The reforms were a reaction against the often scandalous and dissolute lifestyles of the Catholic clergy in southern France
So, people who called decadent clerics out on fucking away the church taxes and who preacher maximum austerity and spiritual seeking were genocided for, eh, HEDONISM? Projecting much, lol,

>They were neo-gnostics wrongthinkers
So let us genocide them all for having opinions, what a great idea, Innocentius, I would gladly genocide whoever dares to think other the way the Big Hat thinks.

<destroyed traditional gender roles via their extreme feminism
>Despite women having an instrumental role in the growing of the faith, misogyny was not completely absent from the Cathar movement. Some seemingly misogynistic Cathar beliefs include that one's last incarnation had to be experienced as a man to break the cycle.[42] This belief was inspired by later French Cathars, who taught that women must be reborn as men in order to achieve salvation.[12] Another one was that the sexual allure of women impeded man's ability to reject the material world.[42] Toward the end of the Cathar movement, Catharism became more misogynistic and started the practice of excluding women perfects.[12] However, the influence of these type of misogynistic beliefs and practices remained limited (Later Italian perfects still included women.[12])
So, their ultimate crime was allowing women to express opinions in public? It wasn't the Catholic Church where you got a Massacre of Saxons for disagreeing on opinions, lol. If you didn't like Cathars, you just ignored them, they neither took tribute at sword point nor genocided wrongthinkers.

<thought non-procreative sex was superior to procreative sex
>being born a tax slave is bad
Considering they lived in a time you got tortured and genocided for wrongthink, I don't think I can blame them for not procreating new slaves to till the fields. To each their own.

>promoted veganism
Shieeet, did they burn people who ate meat?!
<no
Then what's your fucking problem? Do you think a common peasant ever saw meat except on major holidays? The French started eating snails, frogs and hedgehogs not because their dirty villains were rich and decadent from toiling in the fields, you know.
People refused to eat meat, holy shit, let's torture and murderfuck them all. I can't believe they dared not follow Jesus (btw, how much eat did he eat in the Bible?).

>and killed their director, Pierre de Castelnau, and that's what started the Crusade
Imagine my shock.
<Hey, Raymond, we are going to fuck up your holdings on behest of the King of France, because your serfs have opinions and the French king really likes donate to the Big Hat
>No
<REEEEEEEE
Completely justified White on White genocide for dirty serfs having opinions. Totally not the French king wanting to conquer and submit the southern lord, and especially not the Big Hat butthurt from being exposed on fucking away the Church taxes he wasn't getting.

Honestly, even being raised an Orthodox, I can totally understand the sheer buttmadness of Luther dealing with such blatant shit. The Orthodox Church behaved exactly the same, torturing and burning alive people who had wrongthink and dared to say that material possessions corrupt greedy bishops. Same stupid song every single time.

> but the Swedes burned down 18,000 villages and 1,500 towns in Germany alone.
You seem to omit the reason the Swedes were there in the first place. Also, "they did it too" is not an argument for genocide, otherwise the Rape of Berlin and Burning of Dresden become totally acceptable actions, you know.

<Oh please.
This is not an argument. The Roman Church is a nexus of pederasts that used to be a nexus of lechers. You seem to be of high regards of Church history, so you certainly know about the specific period of Pornocracy.
When the Roman Church has a Pornocracy period, you know the whole imperial edifice stinks to the core.