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Nanonymous No.7174 [D][U][F][S][L][A][C] >>7177 >>7179 >>7186 >>7254
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What do you usually do to relieve your boredom? Any productive activities that are also fun?

Nanonymous No.7177 [D] >>7179 >>7191

>>7174
If you develop a habit of reading (classics) it can become quite fun. As with anything though it requires motivation and some effort before it becomes a joy. I used to read often, but I lost the motivation for all but asinine activies. Also, I would imagine drawing, writing, making music, etc. would be fulfilling as well once you get the hang of them.

Nanonymous No.7179 [D][U][F] >>7181 >>7191
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>>7174
I used to read a lot, nowadays I just lurk chans, watch jewtube and anime, also play vidya rarely. I'd recommend you to learn chess, it's a really exciting and rewarding game, also incredibly easy to start

>>7177
>If you develop a habit of reading (classics) it can become quite fun

This. I'm actually getting back to reading atm, and I'm gonna go borrow some classics when I finish the book I'm reading now

Nanonymous No.7181 [D] >>7185

>>7179
>learn chess
I'd probably agree with you if Go wasn't a superior game on nearly all counts.

Nanonymous No.7185 [D] >>7186 >>7187

>>7181
OmegaLul, do elaborate before I call bs, haven't played it but that doesn't seem to be the case to me

Nanonymous No.7186 [D] >>7189

>>7185
Go is a meme game. Chess is the OG and it's European. Pretty sure go is either pajeet shit or nip shit.
>>7174
I watch anime and shitpost in my free time. I have other hobbies but revealing them would deanonymize me. inb4 muh pigchan datamining

Nanonymous No.7187 [D] >>7188 >>7213

>>7185
I'm not him but I will elaborate. Chess at the highest level relies heavily on opening strategies and memorization. Bobby Fischer grew to hate the game because of those critiques, and he invented Chess960 to emphasize players' understanding of Chess rather than their opening strategies and memorization. You could also compare the AIs of each game. It has been over twenty years since Deep Blue. And it was only three years ago that AlphaGo was able to defeat the top Go player. Not to mention the enormous progress AI has made since 1997.

Nanonymous No.7188 [D] >>7227

I got a camera and started taking it for walks. That's pretty fun, and gets me out of the house. I made some friends that way.

I also like going to a used book store and finding a cheap book about a subject I don't know much about (e.g. female child soldiers, American Reconstruction era Chinese immigrants, horse diseases, pre-forensics serial killers). I find stuff I would never think to Google.

If you don't want to spend money, the library is good for this too.

>>7187
Nobody here is is playing chess at the Deep Blue level. I'm not sure it would even be fun anymore.



Nanonymous No.7189 [D] >>7213

>>7186
>and it's European
>He doesn't know the origin of chess.
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Nanonymous No.7190 [D] >>7191 >>7194

What is boredom?

Nanonymous No.7191 [D][U][F] >>7192
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>>7190
I think boredom is when you want to do something but are not able to, when someone wants to distract himself from something but can't.

>>7177
>>7179
The Loeb Library might be of interest to you guys, it's quite interesting though I have barely started reading, the torrent below has every book (until ~2015) in HTML format (it's a scrape of Harvard's online Loeb Library):
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/16013213/Loeb_Digital_Library_MMXVI

Nanonymous No.7192 [D]

>>7191
reminder that tpb has tor version too http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/

Nanonymous No.7194 [D]

>>7190
A state in which the mind is discontent with the stimuli it receives.

Nanonymous No.7196 [D] >>7198 >>7201

I usually fap watching CP.

Nanonymous No.7198 [D] >>7201

>>7196
My hobby is collecting.

Nanonymous No.7201 [D] >>7205

>>7196
>>7198
I'd delete this instantly. No one gives a fuck what degeneracy you fap to.

Nanonymous No.7205 [D]

>>7201
I'd delete this instantly. They are suggestions to relieve boredom.

Nanonymous No.7213 [D] >>7214

>>7187
>Chess at the highest level relies heavily on opening strategies and memorization.

No it doesn't, that's a small part of it. Memorizing opening strategies has way more effect on lower levels of play, because obviously if a low rated player doesn't know the optimal move, his own move is going to be significantly worse than what a pro would come up with. Also the pros pretty much know all the used openings, and also can easily and smoothly deviate from them, which is why sometimes an opening is played by the book very far, and sometimes isn't. Claiming chess heavily relies on memorization is just ridicolous, the game is usually decided in the mid-game or the late-game, not in the opening

>Bobby Fischer grew to hate the game because of those critiques, and he invented Chess960 to emphasize players' understanding of Chess rather than their opening strategies and memorization.

From what I gather, he never hated the game, he just became bored with it because he was so fucking dominant. Chess 960 probably had to do with what you said, but it also was just for lulz and for something new for Fischer.

>You could also compare the AIs of each game. It has been over twenty years since Deep Blue. And it was only three years ago that AlphaGo was able to defeat the top Go player. Not to mention the enormous progress AI has made since 1997.

The abstract nature of a game doesn't really tell anything of how good the game is, I really don't see the point in this

>>7189
Chess is Persian, right?



Nanonymous No.7214 [D][U][F] >>7215
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>>7213
There is more to memorization than opening strategies. It is not at all ridiculous to say Chess relies heavily on memorization. Memorization in Chess is more than just brute force memorization of openings and puzzle solutions but also the ability to utilize your experience of the same or similar positions. It is pattern recognition.
>From what I gather...
You must not have gathered much. Bobby Fischer was clear about his hatred toward Chess.
>You know I'm finished with the old chess because it's all just a lot of book and memorization you know.
>[Capablanca] wanted to change the rules already, back in the twenties, because he said chess was getting played out. He was right. Now chess is completely dead. It is all just memorization and prearrangement. It’s a terrible game now. Very uncreative.


Nanonymous No.7215 [D] >>7216 >>7217

>>7214
I haven't memorized any chess theory or openings or anything. I only play against other people who haven't memorized any of that crap. That's how you make chess more fun and interesting.

Nanonymous No.7216 [D]

>>7215
I agree, and I never said otherwise. I had fun with Chess up until that point. But I was clearing my first post against the ill-informed counterpoints.

Nanonymous No.7217 [D]

>>7215
then you're not playing very high level chess tbh. (that's not intended as an insult to you nor an indictment of how you make the game fun btw.) Deep Blue beat the world's best chess players because much of the pattern recognition requisite to strong games of chess were described unambiguously in computer code.

Nanonymous No.7218 [D] >>7219

>>7241
There is more to memorization than opening strategies. It is not at all ridiculous to say Chess relies heavily on memorization. Memorization in Chess is more than just brute force memorization of openings and puzzle solutions but also the ability to utilize your experience of the same or similar positions. It is pattern recognition.

This pattern recognition thing of yours applies to practically every game in existance. It is not the same as memorizing openings, which I already disregarded

>You know I'm finished with the old chess because it's all just a lot of book and memorization you know.
>[Capablanca] wanted to change the rules already, back in the twenties, because he said chess was getting played out. He was right. Now chess is completely dead. It is all just memorization and prearrangement. It’s a terrible game now. Very uncreative.

Then he was simply wrong, that's all. I see how what he said woud apply to, say, checkers, because it's literally solved, but chess? Yea no.

>chess is dead
Meme of the year

Nanonymous No.7219 [D]

>>7218
>Then he was simply wrong, that's all.
One of the greatest if not the greatest Chess player of all time was simply wrong. Thank you for your expert opinion, but I think I'll believe the man that has actually played the game at a world class level. You can't see even an ounce of truth in what he said? It doesn't seem like you have played Chess at a high level. And sure, pattern recognition is used in virtually everything, but can't you see Chess relies on it more so?
>Chess is becoming more and more simply memorization, because the power of memorization is so tremendous in chess now. Theory is so advanced, it used to be theory to maybe 10 or 15 moves, 18 moves; now, theory is going to 30 moves, 40 moves.

Nanonymous No.7224 [D] >>7225

>>7291
>Chess player of all time was simply wrong. Thank you for your expert opinion, but I think I'll believe the man that has actually played the game at a world class level.

Aha, well I believe literally every other pro besides him. At least I'm not aware of any other chess pros who think chess is dead, lul

>And sure, pattern recognition is used in virtually everything, but can't you see Chess relies on it more so?

Mmh nah not really. Every game of chess is a new one. Sure, we have similar situations in which usually the optimal approach is also similar, but it's definitely not a given. AlphaZero goes go show that sometimes the better play is something extremely surprising, something that completely trancends common theory and common patterns, yet makes sense. Seeing moves like this can only be achieved by thinking outside the box, not just by playing strictly by the book

>Chess is becoming more and more simply memorization, because the power of memorization is so tremendous in chess now. Theory is so advanced, it used to be theory to maybe 10 or 15 moves, 18 moves; now, theory is going to 30 moves, 40 moves.

Ah yes, so often do we see games go 40 moves by the book. Lolwut. Well, indeed some games do go even over 10 moves, but so what? The pros have the time to learn the lines, and after that it's pure skill.

Nanonymous No.7225 [D] >>7228

>>7224
>pure skill
Read about the (((Polgár))) sisters; their father decided to use them as an experiment and raised them to be chess masters. Unsuprisingly, all three sisters became top chess grandmasters, the best of which was ranked No. 8 in the world (No.1 in women's ranking obviously). Chess is won by rote. This argument is futile. Enjoy chess for another year (or so) until you realize what Fischer said is true, like I did.

Nanonymous No.7227 [D][U][F]
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>>7188
These sound like pretty comfy hobbies. I think many imageboard users, and maybe nanochanners especially, would be such depressed homebodies that they wouldn't be able to do something like that. I mean, going outside? Making friends. Sounds pretty scary, tbh.

Nanonymous No.7228 [D] >>7230 >>7257

>>7225
Uhhh...lol

I already knew of this case. It is definitely an amazing demonstration of how one can be trained to be a pro at pretty much anything. The level of a person's play in any game is the product of their natural skill and the amount of their training. Anyone can be trained to become a pro, but only those who have a great talent for the game and also train very hard, are those who raise to the very top. Carlsen was a master of the game when he was young, not because he practiced more, but because he practiced a lot and had great talent. So if by skill we mean purely the level of play, then yes, chess is purely about skill.

Your argument is basically "you get good at chess by playing it a lot, therefore it's a bad game". Like uhh, yea, sure

Nanonymous No.7230 [D] >>7231

>>7228
>Your argument is basically "you get good at chess by playing it a lot, therefore it's a bad game".
I am arguing skill in chess is not as important as you think it is, not that it doesn't exist. If pure skill was the major factor of chess, how could a woman become ranked no. 8 in the world... Like uhh, what?

Nanonymous No.7231 [D] >>7254 >>7257

>>7230
>If pure skill was the major factor of chess, how could a woman become ranked no. 8 in the world
This is the most retarded question I have seen in this month, if not year.

Nanonymous No.7254 [D] >>7534

>>7231
>how dare someone say that in $current_year

>>7174
Programming. It's amazing how you can take a very simple prompt like "find the longest matching substring in a text" and spend 3 hours working on it, as you improve your solution in various silly ways.

Nanonymous No.7257 [D]

>>7231
You're right, that is probably the most retarded question I have seen this month.
T. >>7228

Nanonymous No.7268 [D]

>They're all weak, all women. They're stupid compared to men. They shouldn't play chess, you know. They're like beginners. They lose every single game against a man. There isn't a woman player in the world I can't give knight-odds to and still beat.

Nanonymous No.7534 [D] >>11241 >>11253

>>7254
My main hobby is gamedev. It's basically a never-ending timesink.

I want to get good at chess too, but then I wonder what I would actually get out of it. Still, going to the occasional tournament might be a fun thing to do.

I also want to finish learning Chinese. The shitty thing about Chinese is all the dialects. I mean, if you want to go to Hong Kong, you're going to want Cantonese instead. If you go inland, well forget about it. Makes me wonder how many westerners know the more obscure dialects though. I'd really like to travel inland and see if there are still places without westerners. Of course by going there I'll probably be shitting the place up myself.

Just see these superfluous ones! Nanonymous No.11240 [D][U][F]
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>not being bored for the sake of it
fuckin' plebs

Nanonymous No.11241 [D]

>>7534
>China
>shitting up
lol

Nanonymous No.11253 [D]

>>7534
>I'd really like to travel inland and see if there are still places without westerners. Of course by going there I'll probably be shitting the place up myself.

I don't get it.Being obsessed with Japan is stupid but at least Japanese are clean and polite.On the other hand Chinese are dirty, smelly dog eating savages and they get even worse when you travel inland.I don't know how a westerner could "shit up" the dirty crowded bug-nest that is China.

Nanonymous No.11254 [D][U][F]
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i photograph a lot which often times goes along with long walks as it is with landscape photography. if weather is shit i read, if i dont feel like reading i just keep refreshing nano page for new posts.