ChatGPT said:
Gotcha — you want to grab a stream file with yt-dlp. Here’s the clean, practical cheat-sheet, from basic to more advanced cases.
1️⃣ Download a normal stream (HLS / DASH)
Most “streams” (Twitch, YouTube live replays, m3u8 URLs, etc.):
bashyt-dlp "STREAM_URL"
yt-dlp will automatically:
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Detect HLS/DASH
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Download segments
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Merge them into a single file
2️⃣ Download from an .m3u8 stream URL directly
If you already have the playlist URL:
bashyt-dlp "https://example.com/stream.m3u8"
Optional: force output format
bashyt-dlp -o "video.%(ext)s" "STREAM_URL"
3️⃣ Best quality (recommended)
bashyt-dlp -f "bv*+ba/best" "STREAM_URL"
This:
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Downloads best video + audio
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Falls back cleanly if separate streams don’t exist
4️⃣ Save stream without re-encoding (fast + lossless)
bashyt-dlp --merge-output-format mp4 "STREAM_URL"
Or MKV (best for weird streams):
bashyt-dlp --merge-output-format mkv "STREAM_URL"
5️⃣ Download a live stream while it’s live
bashyt-dlp --live-from-start "STREAM_URL"
If you join late and want only what’s available:
bashyt-dlp "STREAM_URL"
6️⃣ Resume interrupted stream downloads
bashyt-dlp -c "STREAM_URL"
7️⃣ Debug / inspect stream formats
If something fails, check what yt-dlp sees:
bashyt-dlp -F "STREAM_URL"
Then download a specific format:
bashyt-dlp -f 137+140 "STREAM_URL"
8️⃣ Common fixes for stubborn streams
bashyt-dlp \
--no-check-certificates \
--user-agent "Mozilla/5.0" \
"STREAM_URL"
⚠️ Notes
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DRM-protected streams cannot be downloaded (yt-dlp will fail — that’s expected)
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For Twitch, YouTube, Kick, etc., use the page URL, not the raw m3u8 when possible
If you want, tell me:
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🔗 the site (YouTube, Twitch, custom site, camera feed, etc.)
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📡 live or VOD
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📁 desired format (mp4, mkv, audio-only)
…and I’ll give you the exact command that just works.
You said:
ChatGPT said:
Totally fair question — the confusion is exactly where streaming tech is weird. Let’s demystify it step by step.
Short answer
There is no single file that “describes” the resulting .mp4.
The .mp4 is constructed by yt-dlp from many small pieces, based on a playlist/manifest file.
What actually happens under the hood
1️⃣ The manifest / playlist (the “description”)
For streams, yt-dlp first downloads a text file that describes the stream.
Common types:
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.m3u8→ HLS (most common) -
.mpd→ DASH
Example (HLS .m3u8, simplified):
text#EXTM3U #EXT-X-STREAM-INF:BANDWIDTH=3000000,RESOLUTION=1920x1080 video_1080p.m3u8
That file:
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Lists available qualities
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Points to segment files
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Contains timing info
👉 This is the “file describing the stream”, but it is not an MP4.
2️⃣ The media segments
The playlist points to hundreds/thousands of tiny files:
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.ts -
.m4s -
.aac
Example:
textsegment0001.ts segment0002.ts segment0003.ts
Each one is:
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~2–6 seconds of audio or video
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Encoded already (H.264, AAC, etc.)
3️⃣ yt-dlp downloads all segments
yt-dlp:
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Fetches the playlist
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Downloads every segment in order
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Keeps them in a temp folder
At this stage you do not have an .mp4.
4️⃣ Muxing (building the .mp4)
Now the magic part.
yt-dlp calls ffmpeg to:
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Concatenate the segments
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Copy streams without re-encoding
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Wrap them into an
.mp4container
Conceptually:
text[H.264 video] + [AAC audio] ↓ MP4
💡 MP4 is just a container, not the video itself.
So what is the MP4 file?
An .mp4 contains:
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Encoded video stream (H.264 / HEVC / AV1)
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Encoded audio stream (AAC / Opus)
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Metadata (timestamps, indexes, etc.)
It does not remember:
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The
.m3u8 -
The segment URLs
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The website
Once built, it’s just a normal video file.
Mental model (very important)
Think of it like this:
📜 Playlist (
.m3u8) = recipe
🧩 Segments (.ts,.m4s) = ingredients
🍱.mp4= cooked meal
The recipe is used, then thrown away.
Can I see these files myself?
Yes 🙂
bashyt-dlp --keep-fragments "URL"
This will leave the segment files behind so you can inspect them.
To see the playlist:
bashyt-dlp -v "URL"
Look for:
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.m3u8 -
.mpd
Why streaming works this way
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Fast seeking
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Adaptive quality
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Easy CDN caching
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Works live
MP4 alone can’t do that efficiently.
If you want, I can:
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Walk through a real m3u8 line by line
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Show how ffmpeg merges segments
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Explain why some sites use
.tsvs.m4s -
Explain DRM vs non-DRM streams
Just tell me where you want to go next 👀
You said:
ChatGPT said:
Yes — yt-dlp does download the manifest, but it does not keep it by default. It’s treated as a temporary control file, not an output.
Here’s exactly how it works and how you can get it.
Does yt-dlp download the manifest?
Yes. Always.
For streaming sites:
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HLS →
.m3u8 -
DASH →
.mpd
yt-dlp must download it first to know:
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what streams exist
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where the segments are
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how to stitch them together
But…
👉 By default it is deleted after use.
Where is the manifest stored?
Temporarily, in yt-dlp’s working directory / temp directory.
Typical locations:
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Linux / macOS:
/tmp/yt-dlp-* -
Windows:
%TEMP%\yt-dlp-*
It lives only while yt-dlp is running.
Once the download finishes (or fails), it’s gone.
How to keep the manifest (this is the key part)
✅ Save the manifest to disk
bashyt-dlp --write-info-json --write-playlist-metafiles "URL"
This will save:
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.m3u8or.mpd(the manifest) -
.info.json(metadata)
📁 Stored in the output directory, next to the .mp4.
✅ Keep everything (manifest + segments)
bashyt-dlp --keep-fragments --write-playlist-metafiles "URL"
You’ll get:
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the manifest file
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all
.ts/.m4sfragments -
final merged
.mp4
✅ Only download the manifest (no video)
bashyt-dlp --skip-download --write-playlist-metafiles "URL"
Useful for:
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debugging
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archiving streams
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feeding the manifest into
ffmpegmanually
Can I choose where it’s saved?
Yes:
bashyt-dlp -P "manifests:./manifests" --write-playlist-metafiles "URL"
Or everything:
bashyt-dlp -P "./output" --write-playlist-metafiles "URL"
What will the manifest file be named?
Usually something like:
textVideo Title [id].m3u8
or
textVideo Title [id].mpd
Exact naming depends on site + protocol.
Bonus: View manifest without downloading anything
bashyt-dlp -v --skip-download "URL"
Look for lines like:
text[download] Downloading m3u8 manifest
Important notes
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DRM manifests will still download, but the segments will be encrypted
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The manifest alone is harmless; it’s just text
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yt-dlp does not modify the manifest (it reads it)
TL;DR
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✅ yt-dlp downloads the manifest
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❌ it’s deleted by default
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✅ use
--write-playlist-metafilesto keep it -
📁 temp dir while running, output dir if saved
If you want, tell me your OS + site and I’ll give you the exact command and where to look 👌
You said:
ChatGPT said:
Yep — HLS (.m3u8) and DASH (.mpd) are just the big two, but they’re not the whole universe. Streaming has gone through multiple generations, and a few niche / legacy / internal formats still exist.
Here’s the clean map, from most common → rare / legacy.
🌍 Modern adaptive streaming standards (dominant today)
1️⃣ HLS (HTTP Live Streaming) — Apple
Manifest
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.m3u8(UTF-8 M3U)
Segments
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.ts(classic) -
.m4s(modern CMAF) -
sometimes
.aac
Notes:
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Most widely supported format
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Used by YouTube, Twitch, Apple, many CDNs
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yt-dlp handles it extremely well
2️⃣ MPEG-DASH
Manifest
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.mpd(XML)
Segments
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.m4s -
.webmchunks (rare)
Notes:
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More flexible than HLS
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Common on YouTube, Netflix (internally), many sites
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Designed for multi-codec streaming
3️⃣ CMAF (Common Media Application Format)
Not a protocol — a shared segment format
Used by:
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HLS
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DASH
Files:
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.m4s -
.cmfv/.cmfa(rarely visible)
Why it matters:
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Same segments can serve HLS and DASH
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Industry standard going forward
🧓 Legacy / declining formats
4️⃣ Progressive MP4
File
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.mp4
No manifest, no segments.
Notes:
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Old-school “download the whole file”
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Still used for small videos
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Not adaptive, not live
yt-dlp just downloads it directly.
5️⃣ Adobe HDS (dead but sometimes seen)
Manifest
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.f4m
Segments
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.f4f
Notes:
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Flash-era
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yt-dlp has limited support
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Mostly extinct
6️⃣ Microsoft Smooth Streaming
Manifest
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.ism/.ismc
Segments
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.ismv/.isma
Notes:
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Used by Silverlight
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Mostly gone
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Sometimes still appears on old enterprise sites
🧪 Niche / weird / internal systems
7️⃣ WebRTC (not downloadable like files)
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No manifest
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No segments
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Real-time packets
Notes:
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Used for video calls, low-latency streams
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yt-dlp cannot download this
8️⃣ RTMP / RTSP
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Persistent socket stream
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No playlist
Files:
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None (live stream only)
yt-dlp:
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Can sometimes record via ffmpeg
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Not “downloadable” in the HTTP sense
9️⃣ Proprietary JSON manifests
Some sites use:
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.jsonmanifests -
Signed URLs
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API-generated playlists
But under the hood they still resolve to:
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HLS or DASH
yt-dlp:
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Handles these via extractors
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You rarely see them unless debugging
🧠 Big picture (mental model)
Everything modern converges toward:
objectivecManifest (text) → Small encoded segments → Muxed into MP4/MKV
Different standards just change:
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manifest syntax
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segment container
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encryption method
🔒 DRM is orthogonal
DRM can exist on any of these:
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HLS + AES / FairPlay
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DASH + Widevine / PlayReady
File extensions look normal — content is encrypted.
📊 Quick comparison table
| Standard | Manifest | Segments | Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| HLS | .m3u8 | .ts, .m4s | 🔥 dominant |
| DASH | .mpd | .m4s | 🔥 dominant |
| CMAF | (none) | .m4s | 🔥 future |
| Progressive | none | .mp4 | ⚠️ limited |
| HDS | .f4m | .f4f | ☠️ dead |
| Smooth | .ism | .ismv | ☠️ dead |
| WebRTC | none | packets | 🚫 |
If you want, next we can:
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dissect a real
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compare HLS vs DASH in practice
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explain why
.tsstill exists -
dive into DRM signaling in manifests
Just point 👇
You said:
ChatGPT said:
Great question — this stuff looks undocumented until you know where the adults keep the docs 😄
Here’s a curated reading path, from friendly → hardcore spec-level, depending on how deep you want to go.
🧭 Best “big picture” overviews (start here)
📘 Mozilla Developer Network (MDN)
Best balance of clarity + correctness
Search topics on MDN:
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HTTP Live Streaming (HLS)
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MPEG-DASH
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Media Source Extensions (MSE)
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Adaptive bitrate streaming
MDN explains:
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manifests
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segments
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codecs
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browser playback
👉 Ideal if you want to understand, not just implement.
📗 Video streaming concepts (non-vendor)
Look for articles titled things like:
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“How adaptive bitrate streaming works”
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“HLS vs DASH explained”
These usually cover:
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why manifests exist
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why segments are small
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how players switch quality
(You’ve basically been reconstructing this already.)
📜 Official specifications (authoritative, but dense)
🍎 HLS (Apple)
Search for:
“HTTP Live Streaming Apple specification”
This is the source of truth for:
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.m3u8syntax -
tags like
#EXT-X-KEY -
encryption signaling
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live vs VOD behavior
⚠️ Very technical, but readable if you already know the basics.
🎥 MPEG-DASH
Search for:
“MPEG-DASH specification ISO”
Covers:
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.mpdXML structure -
representations
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adaptation sets
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segment templates
More abstract than HLS — less beginner-friendly.
📦 CMAF
Search for:
“CMAF specification MPEG”
Explains:
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why
.m4sexists -
how HLS and DASH converge
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low-latency streaming
This is where modern streaming lives.
🛠 Practical / hacker-oriented resources (very useful)
▶️ FFmpeg documentation
Search:
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ffmpeg hls demuxer
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ffmpeg dash demuxer
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ffmpeg concat demuxer
This teaches you:
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how segments are actually stitched
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what’s copied vs re-encoded
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how containers work
yt-dlp ultimately delegates to ffmpeg — so this is gold.
▶️ yt-dlp / youtube-dl docs & source
Places to look:
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yt-dlp README
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--verboseoutput -
extractor source files
You’ll see:
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how manifests are detected
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how formats are selected
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how sites wrap HLS/DASH behind APIs
This is real-world streaming, not theory.
🧠 Player internals (optional but enlightening)
📺 Media Source Extensions (MSE)
Search:
“Media Source Extensions W3C”
Explains how browsers:
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fetch segments
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append buffers
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handle timestamps
This is how .m3u8 → <video> actually works.
🔒 DRM (only if you’re curious)
Search for:
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Widevine DASH
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FairPlay HLS
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PlayReady streaming
Focus on:
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how DRM is signaled in manifests
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not the crypto itself
🗺 Suggested reading order (important)
If I were teaching you specifically, I’d say:
1️⃣ MDN: adaptive streaming overview
2️⃣ Apple HLS spec (skim, don’t memorize)
3️⃣ One real .m3u8 file, line by line
4️⃣ FFmpeg HLS/DASH docs
5️⃣ yt-dlp verbose output
6️⃣ CMAF spec (future-facing)
🧩 Why this feels hard to find
Because:
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specs are written for implementers
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sites abstract everything away
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tools like yt-dlp hide complexity (by design)
You’re basically peeling back 15 years of accumulated hacks 😄
If you want, next I can:
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annotate a real-world
.m3u8 -
show how yt-dlp maps formats → ffmpeg
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explain why some streams fail
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build a mental model of containers vs codecs vs protocols
Just say the word 👌