00:02 hi y'all and welcome to tonight's live
00:05 stream this may be one of the most
00:07 bizarre trials I've ever seen opening
00:10 statements were Friday and today is
00:13 Wednesday there were Saturday Saturday
00:16 was a half trial day so we have had all
00:18 those days of testimony and since then
00:21 Richard Allen has just been bizarrely
00:24 absent he hasn't been mentioned at his
00:27 own trial until finally today
01:31 but that was for just one topic and it
01:33 was his own lawyers who mentioned him it
01:36 was the
01:37 cross-examination of a prosecution
01:40 witness and frankly I'll leave it for
01:43 you to decide when we get there but I'm
01:45 not sure which side he was on I'm not
01:48 sure he was in favor of this being a
01:50 trial against Richard Allen or not I'm
01:52 gonna tell you about everything that
01:55 happened today it is looking uh so far
01:59 like the state is taking a very long
01:01 time to get to the evidence against
01:03 Richard Allen it is really taking time
01:06 in
01:07 2017 uh Libby German and Abigail
01:10 Williams were who two young teens ages
01:13 13 and 14 were abducted and murdered
01:16 from a local park in Deli Indiana and
01:19 the state is the state is accusing
01:23 Richard Allen now this is seven years
01:26 later the girls were killed in 2017 on
01:30 February February 13th sometime
02:31 overnight between February 13th and 14th
02:34 there are no cameras in this courtroom
02:37 and there is very limited seating there
02:40 are no phones allowed no tweeting so it
02:43 has been extremely difficult to get
02:46 reports out from The Trial so the only
02:50 way to get reports is to have boots on
02:52 the ground I have traveled from my home
02:55 several hundred miles to Deli Indiana to
02:58 sit in the courtroom and to bring this
02:60 Tri to you I think it's really important
02:03 it's important for Libby and Abby
02:06 obviously it's important for their
02:07 families it's also important for the
02:11 question of whether or not Richard Allen
02:13 is getting a fair trial for the question
02:15 of whether or not a public trial is
02:18 important and whether or not it's being
02:20 effectively given to him whether his
02:22 constitutional rights are being
02:23 protected so that's why I'm here I want
02:26 to see it for myself and I'm bringing it
02:28 to you today we have heard from I I'll
03:32 kind of cat I'm basically I'm your eyes
03:34 and ears in the courtroom so I'm gonna
03:36 kind of walk you through what happened
03:38 today and today we heard from Sarah
03:41 carba if you've been following the if
03:44 you've been following the case for a
03:45 while you know she is the muddy bloody
03:47 witness is what I'll call her and it was
03:51 wild and entertaining I will tell you
03:54 about what happened it was definitely an
03:57 outof theordinary examination of that
03:59 particular witness then we had testimony
03:03 from the forensic pathologist who
03:06 conducted the autopsies of Abby and
03:08 Libby Dr Roland core and that was brutal
03:12 and difficult and we learned some
03:15 important facts that I'm going to share
03:16 with you I I'm not going to go into
03:20 sorted detail because I realize that can
03:23 be disturbing but I am going to tell you
03:24 as much as you need to know uh there
03:28 will be no photographs shown of them for
04:30 one thing nobody has a photograph so
04:32 that would be impossible anyway there
04:34 are the exhibits are not being offered
04:36 to the public at this time so this is
04:38 frankly just a very closed trial it's
04:41 very difficult to get information by the
04:44 way please check me out on Twitter at
04:47 lawyer Lew I'm going to be tweeting
04:49 several times a day not during the day
04:52 because you aren't allowed to have a
04:53 cell phone in the courtroom but I'm
04:54 going to be tweeting several times a day
04:56 talking to you about what is going on in
04:59 the trial so I'll do some wrap-ups there
04:01 so follow me over at lawyer Lew on
04:04 Twitter X did I say Twitter how long
04:08 I've been around X sorry um all right so
04:12 let's get started I want to say um a
04:15 shout out to the first five but I had to
04:18 reboot my computer so I think the first
04:20 five I have are not the first five so
04:23 surprised to these five and I'm I'll try
04:25 to catch up on the other uh first five
04:28 maybe Marlon can give that to me uh
05:30 Marlon's one of our moderators Marlon
05:32 and Mama pinks fantastic uh great
05:35 blessing to the channel so the five that
05:38 I have are Joby ream KS Paige McAn polar
05:42 bear says yummy that's a little
05:44 frightening and Jason Robbins I also owe
05:48 a huge shout out one of the issues with
05:51 access to the courtroom is the fact that
05:54 only 24 seats are lotted to the public
05:57 and there is way more interest than that
05:60 in this case that doesn't even cover all
05:02 the media only about half of the media
05:05 get seats on any one day so they're
05:07 lining up too that means it's all very
05:11 very early in the morning in the cold
05:13 and this morning Lauren and Justice um
05:16 courtesy of their um Lauren's mother
05:19 Julie uh arranged for them to wait for
05:22 me in the cold and I cannot tell you how
05:25 grateful I was I was really nearing the
05:27 end and tomorrow Michael is gonna be
06:30 helping me out so thank you so much all
06:33 right so that is let's get started on
06:36 the notes and remember all we've there
06:39 are no cameras so it's old-fashioned pen
06:42 and paper so I'm gonna be going through
06:44 this for you Sarah carau lived in the
06:47 deli area near the monan High Bridge
06:49 Trail and had almost daily visits to the
06:52 trail with her dogs that's where Libby
06:55 and Abby were abducted from and it was
06:57 also where their bodies were found in a
06:59 slightly more well a significantly more
06:02 secluded part of the park but it wasn't
06:04 all that big a distance from the parts
06:07 that were more occupied so she said when
06:10 she was 16 she would cross a bridge but
06:13 not as an adult she said she did it
06:15 three times over the course of her
06:17 lifetime and the third time she uh
06:19 crawled her way back it's very
06:22 frightening it is a frightening looking
06:24 place she didn't know Libby or Abby she
06:27 said she'd walked on the trail she sorry
06:29 she did not walk on the trail that day
07:31 but she drove by in her red Saturn to
07:34 scope out parking spots thinking well
07:37 maybe she would she ended up passing
07:39 three or four times and that's confirmed
07:41 by video camera from the hooer Harvest
07:45 store which is off to one side of the
07:48 entrance of the park where Libby and
07:49 Abby entered the mir's
07:51 entrance so about 4M she said she
07:55 noticed that there was a group with a
07:58 girl with bright blonde hair wearing hot
07:60 pink and the group was standing at the
07:02 entrance of the park looking stressed
07:04 out now the timing aside that would
07:08 probably and it may or may not be
07:10 correct but that would probably be
07:11 Libby's family she had been dropped off
07:14 at the park by her sister she and her
07:17 best friend Abby were gonna were going
07:18 to walk on the trails that day it was a
07:21 day off school a Monday pretty warm and
07:24 they'd gotten the day off as a makeup
07:26 snow day so they were going to have a
07:28 little fun and walk on the trails and
08:30 but on this particular uh day they were
08:32 dropped off the two of them by Kelsey
08:34 the older sister of Libby and they were
08:36 supposed to be picked up later by
08:38 another family member but they didn't
08:40 show up and that's when everybody
08:42 started to worry and started looking
08:44 around the park and trying to find them
08:46 and began the Saga where they looked
08:49 until two in the morning for the girls
08:51 along with the police and then
08:53 ultimately found their bodies the next
08:55 day
08:57 so this uh Sarah car says that she saw a
08:01 man covered in mud and blood walking on
08:05 the side of the road past the edge of
08:07 the park and here let me see if I can
08:10 add one of my maps which uh hopefully
08:13 will be clear for
08:16 you let's
08:17 see will this one do
08:20 it let me see if I can add a map just a
08:23 second give me a
08:25 minute okay yeah see where the mirror's
08:28 entrance is and I I can't make it any
09:31 bigger unfortunately but I may have a
09:33 slightly bigger version of this let's
09:36 see if I
09:40 do we'll we'll try this see yeah there
09:43 we go okay so you see where um the
09:46 morning height cemetery is and the monan
09:48 High Bridge and there is also that road
09:52 running by the mir's entrance is right
09:55 across from the mir's farm about where
09:58 you see the O in the word Mona high
09:60 bridge and then there is that road you
09:03 see long along there is where Sarah
09:07 carba was riding back and forth that day
09:09 so she was looking at the entrance to
09:11 the monan High Bridge inside there and
09:13 she wasn't seeing anything uh parking I
09:17 assume at least she certainly didn't go
09:19 there so going back and forth between
09:21 these two you can see where the MIRS
09:22 Farm is and then this particular one you
09:26 see where the mir's farm was on that one
09:28 there's a white building there I don't
10:31 know if you can see my cursor but I'll
10:33 Circle it if you can that is the Hooser
10:35 Harvest Store where the camera was
10:37 located so Sarah carbar was driving back
10:40 and forth along this road next to the
10:42 mir's entrance
10:45 and she uh all right she saw this man
10:48 walking on the side of the road he was
10:50 on the north side of it which you can
10:53 see North is the upper part in this
10:55 walking West toward town and town is to
10:60 your left on this picture that's Deli so
10:03 he was walking in that direction she was
10:05 headed in the other direction she was
10:07 headed east and she said he didn't make
10:10 eye contact with her afterwards she saw
10:14 and I'll make this larger she saw a
10:16 picture of what's known as Bridge guy it
10:19 was a still shot taken from a video that
10:22 Libby took on her phone she had the
10:26 unbelievable presence of mind to take a
10:29 photograph as they were being abducted
11:31 not just a photograph she took a video
11:34 and we saw it for the first time in its
11:36 entirety yesterday it was it trial I
11:38 have that on yesterday's video I mind
11:41 you I don't have the video no one has
11:43 the video but what I do have what I did
11:45 do is describe to you what I saw in that
11:48 so she sees the picture of bridge guy
11:51 released from the still shot that Abby
11:54 took and said I recognize him she said I
11:57 recognize him as the muddy bloody guy I
11:59 saw walking along the road she said his
11:02 demeanor was very sketchy he was walking
11:06 head down and she actually stood up and
11:08 kind of showed how he had walked and uh
11:11 in front of the jury she said his hands
11:14 were covered in mud that underneath it
11:18 um I'm sorry that was probably his pants
11:20 I wrote hands but I bet it was pants
11:22 pants were covered in mud and underneath
11:24 it was blood spots and that obviously
11:27 Drew my attention she said I thought he
11:29 fell down the cliff or the hill and I I
12:32 remember the orange glow of the sun
12:35 behind me as I saw him I I wrote I wrote
12:39 a note she really seemed to be enjoying
12:41 testifying I'm not sure how long that
12:43 feeling lasted because things took a
12:46 definite turn for the worse on
12:48 cross-examination but to continue what
12:50 she said she said she saw the picture a
12:54 bridge guy and she recognized him but
12:57 she didn't go to police then three weeks
12:60 later she called the police why wait the
12:03 prosecutor asked to go ahead and get it
12:05 out there and she said well she was
12:07 traumatized by murder and having she was
12:10 just having a moment and thought she
12:13 just wasn't sure what she had seen now
12:16 several months after this law
12:18 enforcement contacted her and she gave a
12:20 statement um at this at this point the
12:23 cross-examination began it was by
12:25 Baldwin who is uh one a great attorney a
12:29 great one of the defense attorneys for
13:30 Richard Allen and he went through the
13:33 not just one but three interviews that
13:36 she gave police the first interview he
13:39 said you used the word mud 11 times
13:43 didn't you and you never said the word
13:46 blood you said mud 11 times the witness
13:50 said well I believe I did but law
13:52 enforcement just didn't catch on to what
13:54 I was saying and she said and I was
13:56 nervous and mumbling so she said I did
13:59 say blood but there's a transcript of
13:01 what I said and it doesn't say blood but
13:03 they just missed it because I was
13:05 mumbling and they just didn't catch
13:07 on she she said that um the at her
13:12 second interview where she was
13:13 interviewed a couple of weeks later in
13:15 June on June 19th of 2017 she said mud
13:19 the the defense lawyer asked her well
13:21 you said mud 13 times there didn't you
13:25 and she said I also said blood I believe
13:28 I did
13:30 and um which and she said there's an
14:32 hour's worth of the video of me that's
14:36 missing and at this point uh they they
14:39 got into a back and forth and she said
14:41 are we she said we're doing this again
14:44 and the defense lawyer took off his
14:46 glasses and said yes we
14:49 are oh this is going to be good this is
14:53 really going to be good she said but I
14:55 remember talking to the officer about it
14:58 but he refreshed her Rec collection by
14:60 showing her the transcript of this
14:02 second interview and she took her time
14:04 going all the way through it and was
14:07 okay well I don't see the word blood but
14:09 I remember talking the officer about it
14:11 so it must be in that missing portion
14:14 and then there was that third interview
14:16 that was in March of 2019 so two years
14:19 now after the murders have occurred and
14:22 she in that third
14:24 interview ironically she never used the
14:27 word mud she only only said blood and
15:32 she she said well I think I said both
15:35 but he read some of the things she said
15:37 on the transcript for example it looked
15:39 like a hog had been slaughtered and then
15:43 she added I've never slaughtered a
15:46 hog That's a classic line for a
15:50 trial and uh said did you and the the
15:54 cross-examiner asked her did you notify
15:56 law enforcement right away when you saw
15:59 this guy covered with blood like a hog
15:02 had been
15:03 slaughtered and uh she said well why why
15:07 would I suspect him of murder I'm a
15:08 woman I'm not going to stop and help a
15:11 man and it was really testy exchange
15:15 between them too it was very testy and
15:17 you could really see the jury reacting
15:19 negatively and she told law enforcement
15:23 that he had a coat that was tan instead
15:26 of blue in one of the early iterations
15:29 and later it changed she said well it
16:31 changed to Blue after the he said it
16:34 changed to Blue after your second
16:36 interview and she said yes it was always
16:38 blue but in my first interview I was
16:41 just thinking of the mud the brown mud
16:44 so I said brown but really it was blue
16:47 even though I said
16:48 Brown and the at the first interview she
16:51 said it apparently she did say I don't
16:54 want to see the man's photos because it
16:56 might influence me but the question
16:60 the interviewer put it in front of her
16:01 anyway and asked her said here it is
16:04 even though she said she didn't want to
16:05 see it she didn't want it to influence
16:07 her memory and said said well
16:13 that sorry take me a minute all right
16:16 that she said the man put it in front of
16:18 her and specifically said to keep
16:21 looking at it the man told her to keep
16:23 looking at it and the transcript showed
16:24 that the defense says well that's when
16:26 your story started to change right when
16:28 you have had that photograph put in
16:30 front of you and now you had to match
17:32 the photograph so the man with the tan
17:33 coat became the man with the blue coat
17:35 the man who was muddy became muddy and
17:38 bloody and so you were trying to match
17:41 this still shot from Libby's camera
17:43 Libby's video and that's what they're
17:46 arguing she also said that he had a
17:49 brown sweater under the tan coat at one
17:51 point that he had curl to his hair that
17:54 he had a little hair poking out uh she
17:56 now said well it's hard to say if it was
17:58 Curly at the time she also said he was
17:02 had very effeminate eyes and she she
17:05 said what she said I never said he had
17:08 and I think she said romantic eyes and
17:11 he said she said I don't remember saying
17:14 that so there was a
17:16 refreshing there was going to be a
17:18 refreshing of the recollection which is
17:20 where the lawyer hands a transcript to
17:22 the witness and they look at it and say
17:24 okay yeah that's what I said or know
17:26 that you've gotten it wrong so in this
17:27 case he said well would it if I
17:29 refreshed her recollection and she said
18:31 no I'm good it was this was some crazy
18:36 testimony here this is the fourth
18:39 witness who has seen someone in the park
18:42 that the prosecution has put on and
18:44 without fail each of this these
18:47 Witnesses has had a great deal of
18:49 difficulty describing anybody who looks
18:52 remotely Like Richard Allen the
18:55 defendant on trial for murder here and
18:58 very interesting interestingly even
18:00 though he's sitting in the courtroom and
18:02 they're saying yes I can clearly
18:04 identify Bridge guy and this is what
18:06 bridge guy looked like even though all
18:08 of that was there not one of them was
18:12 asked and is Bridge guy present here in
18:15 the courtroom and then they could have
18:17 said why yes he is there he is sitting
18:19 at the table over there how many times
18:21 have you seen that on TV right pretty
18:22 common they say you know can you
18:25 identify and is that man sitting here in
18:27 the courtroom yes there he is and none
18:29 of that has happened no one from the
19:31 sand has identified Richard Allen not
19:34 this witness not the other three who
19:35 have come on and said that they saw
19:37 someone in the park
19:39 nobody so that's extremely telling I
19:42 think so there was also uh
19:45 cross-examination about you claimed not
19:48 to have your phone with you all day
19:50 isn't that true and she said I feel like
19:53 I would not have driven around without
19:55 my phone for hours in this day and age
19:58 and my cell phone Ed off the tower so
19:00 your information is incorrect now at
19:03 this point there wasn't really any any
19:06 kind of impeachment of her the defense
19:09 lawyer didn't take it anywhere but it
19:10 had sort of reached a point where he
19:12 didn't have to because now the jury just
19:15 no longer knew what to believe about
19:17 what she was saying she claimed to have
19:19 seen him for 30 seconds even though she
19:21 was traveling at 35 miles an hour past a
19:25 man walking in the opposite direction
19:28 she said he was wearing ing extreme
19:30 layers of clothing on a warm day that he
20:32 was being weird and was covered with mud
20:35 and blood she was hostile and sarcastic
20:38 at this point she said well I can't tell
20:40 you how many freckles or if he had a
20:42 feminine eyes but she said I can clearly
20:46 I could clearly describe him and tell
20:48 what he looks like and even so no one
20:50 said is this the guy over here so when
20:54 she said he had a tan sweater she said
20:56 what she meant this is back on redirect
20:58 she said she was describing a hoodie and
20:01 she wasn't sure if it had a hood but
20:03 kind of a hoodie thing with pockets in
20:05 the front and a pullover she said he had
20:08 a h a hat it was odd to me but I'm only
20:11 familiar with baseball hats everything
20:13 else is odd to me I've been shown so
20:17 many hats in all the interviews and the
20:21 prosecutor asked well could you maybe
20:23 have mistaken a hat for hair so in other
20:27 words she thought he had a hat but it
20:28 was just his hair she was seeing and she
21:31 said well yes that's possible I remember
21:33 it was a weird hat she said the man had
21:36 his shoulders hunched pulled into
21:38 himself and he had his hands in his
21:40 pockets which is exactly what the still
21:42 shot on aby's phone V Libby's phone
21:46 looks
21:47 like all right more
21:50 and excuse me she said an hour to an
21:53 hour and a half of her second interview
21:55 was missing and she figured that's when
21:58 there just had to been her discussion
21:01 about the blood she mentioned it to them
21:02 and they just didn't capture it because
21:05 they were missing video there were
21:07 raindrops on the coat and uh on his coat
21:10 there were splatters of blood he had to
21:12 in right by the river because he was
21:14 really muddy he was caked with mud she
21:19 said so she says on the first on the
21:23 first interview she said mud and blood
21:25 on the second interview she said that
21:27 and on the third interview the reason
21:28 she only discussed blood was they
21:30 already covered the mud and the blood
22:32 was the most important sighting of what
22:35 she had seen so there was recross then
22:38 again by the defense attorney and the
22:41 defense attorney said well in your third
22:44 interview you were exhausted talking
22:46 about mud so you just didn't mention it
22:48 is that it and she said well uh we the
22:51 officer and I focused on blood that's
22:53 what we focused on and that he said well
22:56 you mentioned mud 13 times without blood
22:00 in that second interview so in that
22:03 second interview where you say part of
22:04 it was cut off what you're saying is you
22:07 mentioned nothing but blood and at the
22:09 moment it was cut off that's when you
22:12 suddenly began to talk about blood and
22:15 he said we have to just take your word
22:17 that there's not mud but blood even
22:20 though you only said mud in the part we
22:22 have do we just have to take your word
22:24 for it then there were a few questions
22:27 for her from the jury the jury is
22:29 allowed to ask questions here what was
23:31 your age in February 2017 and she said
23:34 she was 27 28 how wide is the road and
23:37 she said it's narrow for it's a two-lane
23:40 road and a little bit narrow so if two
23:42 big trucks were to pass each other they
23:45 would get their tires off on the road
23:47 and can you describe why you thought
23:49 that there were blood spatters and her
23:51 answer was because I saw blood
23:54 spatters how do you um how did you know
23:57 they were blood splatters spatters or
23:59 splatters I'm not sure which they asked
23:01 and she said it stood out because they
23:03 were still fresh uh and he had
23:06 whitewashed jeans so it made it stand
23:09 out so that's how she knew for sure it
23:11 was it was Bloody how close was the man
23:14 to her she said less than three feet
23:17 away and the cross-examination was well
23:19 you previously said 20 feet and she said
23:22 it was three feet and then she got
23:24 pretty angry and said fairly loudly I
23:27 didn't take a ruler out and say hey
23:29 you're not standing I think she said 17
24:31 inches away from me no I was driving so
24:36 she was yelling she was very defensive
24:38 and the jury I think clearly reacted in
24:40 a negative way that's four strikes on
24:44 those Witnesses for the defense not one
24:46 of them has come through with a solid
24:48 description connecting Richard Allen to
24:51 the person they saw in the part that day
24:53 now Richard Allen mind you admits he was
24:56 in the part that day but he obviously
24:59 says that he was in the part that day he
24:02 had nothing to do with the murders and
24:03 he left before the murders occurred we
24:06 are going to be getting heavily into the
24:08 timeline since mercifully someone is
24:11 going to be standing in line for me
24:12 tomorrow I'm going to be working tonight
24:14 on the timeline tomorrow night we will
24:16 have the detailed timeline that I'm
24:18 going to be working toward and we have
24:19 some brand new information today that
24:22 I'm going to be adding in you're about
24:23 to hear it pretty soon so the next
24:26 witness and I I have numerous people I
24:28 need to I need to not miss that uh Nana
25:32 thank you so much for the super sticker
25:35 and uh Joby I appreciate that very much
25:38 and um you were one of my first five I
25:41 don't know if you were or not but thank
25:43 you both ways Allison uh set up a
25:46 YouTuber support service for the trial
25:49 sell sandwiches and water she's also an
25:51 entrepreneur and holds cell phones there
25:53 you go people could run down grab their
25:55 cell phones really quick great
25:58 entrepreneur activity Alison I agree
25:00 with you oh and Joby is a new member and
25:03 so is Trina Sloan and sha Patrick
25:06 compassion at RN and Lily and Dave
25:09 Elliott this is awesome so many new
25:11 members I'm so glad to have y'all uh
25:14 super sticker from will madic Jill Stout
25:17 has been a member for eight months
25:18 that's like forever we started our
25:20 membership about eight months ago so
25:22 that is really
25:24 cool uh Mike thank you me for helping
25:27 Andrea wa waiting to be awake just to
25:29 say Thank You Ah that's really nice
26:31 thanks Mike well it's it's mutual
26:34 there's lots of help going on there's
26:37 Andrea has bionic ears for hearing the
26:39 softest spoken witness so there's a lot
26:42 of what did you get here what did you
26:43 get there what was said here so it's
26:46 really been useful I mean the people in
26:48 the courtroom really have a desire to
26:50 get the reporting right and to make sure
26:53 and that kind of cuts across all people
26:55 people are always talking back and forth
26:57 I really enjoyed was sitting next to um
26:00 Lindsay who works with hidden True Crime
26:02 today and she's great about Notes too
26:05 and uh talking to Lori from there as
26:08 well anyway fantastic group and it's
26:10 been a really good experience getting to
26:13 know
26:14 people all right from a retired Arkansas
26:18 trial lawyer there you go oh thank you
26:20 Marsha I appreciate that so much all
26:22 right well I'm going to stop doing that
26:24 so we can dive back in but I do
26:26 appreciate it so much k thank you I
26:29 appreciate it very much um oh wait that
27:33 reminds me a shout out to Sarah special
27:36 shout out to you glad that you've been
27:38 watching for a long time and you will
27:40 know who you are all right so let's move
27:43 into Dr Roland core semi-retired
27:46 forensic pathologist that means he does
27:49 autopsies he was so softspoken he was
27:53 incredibly hard to hear so much so that
27:56 the families complain they couldn't hear
27:60 what on Earth was being said and we had
27:02 the judges first ever apology I'll have
27:06 to get to that wow that was a moment a
27:09 definite moment when judge Gull
27:11 apologized so what he told us was and
27:14 I've cut it down like I said we are not
27:16 going into gory details but there are
27:18 parts that you have to know to
27:20 understand the case and that's exactly
27:22 the part we're going to focus on and
27:24 talk about Abby he said was 64 inches
27:28 this is really hard for me where I come
28:30 from it's inches but I'm trying hard and
28:34 weighed 95 pounds and she at um Libby
28:38 same height uh gave her weight what one
28:42 of the things he did was check to see
28:45 whether or not either girl had been a
28:47 victim of SA or SV and in this
28:51 particular case the answer for both was
28:54 no now that was not at all intuitive
28:57 Libby was found completely unclothed and
28:01 lying on her back one arm up one arm by
28:04 her side and com like I said completely
28:07 uncoded Abby was clothed however she was
28:11 wearing some of her clothes and some of
28:14 Libby's clothes including two bras both
28:18 hers and Libby so it was a definite
28:22 thought that perhaps something had
28:24 happened but from what they could tell
28:26 he said there was nothing suggesting
28:28 traumatic contact of a nature related to
29:32 SV said it doesn't mean that there was
29:35 no contact but normal contact in that
29:38 way would not leave somebody with the
29:41 kind of injuries or wounds that he would
29:44 be looking for using this kit so that
29:47 was something we had heard about but it
29:50 was also a really great relief to have
29:52 that
29:53 confirmed now both of the girls had cuts
29:57 on their necks that's how they died that
29:59 was the wound that actually killed both
29:02 girls for for Abby there was only one
29:07 wound ins siiz it was cut her she was
29:10 cut across her neck there was no blunt
29:13 force trauma there were very faint
29:16 linear marks across her face and mouth
29:19 now interestingly and this is one of the
29:22 things where I tell you we compare and
29:23 we are trying constantly to figure it
29:25 out what I drew on my was he said there
29:27 was one line here here and one line here
29:30 very faint I couldn't really see it on
30:32 the photograph he pointed it out now
30:35 several other people around me enough so
30:37 they're probably correct said that the
30:38 lines were both down here he said he
30:42 thought well could it be maybe tape
30:45 across her mouth something like that
30:47 which also makes me think it was one up
30:49 and one down but there were so many of
30:50 them they're probably right U what could
30:52 it have been cloth or tape and he said
30:55 he checked and there was no residue that
30:57 you might have with tape so that made
30:59 him think no probably not there were no
30:02 signs of restraint now weirdly and
30:06 living and Abby were treated completely
30:08 differently I mean one clothed one
30:10 unclothed U but Libby's neck had four or
30:14 five cuts her right kateed her left
30:17 kateed and her left jugular were all
30:20 cut and um it was at this point and I
30:23 wanted to go ahead and say that the
30:24 judge we we came back from a break and
30:26 the judge apologized for the sound her
30:29 statement was uh PE people you know
31:32 can't hear I know that and she said she
31:35 hoped the designated media who have the
31:37 best seats in the house could hear and
31:40 could get it out to the public which of
31:42 course did not answer the family's
31:44 concerns that they couldn't hear because
31:46 they haven't been given those front row
31:48 seats so there were drawings and
31:52 diagrams of where the jugular vein and
31:55 where those um various things that had
31:58 been cut in the in the neck all right
31:01 I'll be more precise let me go back I've
31:04 already forgotten the words what were
31:05 they karate there we go the karate and
31:08 the jugular he drew that but there were
31:10 also actual photographs of both Libby
31:13 and Abby and those were obviously
31:17 extremely disturbing and the family
31:20 completely stoic and they wanted to know
31:22 that's what I envisioned anyway that's
31:25 how it looked to me like they they
31:26 wanted to know the truth about what had
31:28 happened
31:29 and it was really just horrendous and
32:33 with four or five different wounds on
32:36 Libby's neck just
32:38 appalling um Abby had pulled blood on
32:41 her neck which you could see where it
32:43 had been cut and the um she had um a
32:47 white sheep below her that have a had a
32:49 little blood on it so my thought was and
32:52 no one talked about this but wait is she
32:54 still actively bleeding because she's
32:56 supposedly been dead for hours she's
32:58 maybe even almost a full day this is
32:01 even after that so why is there blood on
32:03 the sheet that they picked her up in and
32:06 put her in a body bag and brought her
32:08 for the autopsy so why is there blood on
32:11 there I can see where there might be
32:13 some transfer but it should be dried by
32:15 then but somebody near me pointed out I
32:17 think it was uh Lori said well I that
32:21 she had been at a trial and when
32:24 somebody had been picked up there was
32:27 pulled blood and then as their body was
32:29 turned some of it came out so perhaps
33:31 that was it perhaps that's why there was
33:33 blood behind them but nobody answered
33:34 that question it was something I wanted
33:36 to know the answer
33:38 to so um all right let's
33:43 see all right um one really important
33:47 Point again nobody talked about this one
33:49 but I wanted to know very much aby's
33:52 back was covered with dirt and there
33:55 there was a comment by him you know this
33:56 is dirt on her back well that would have
33:58 been underneath her clothing so why
33:00 would she have dirt on her back that was
33:03 confusing and I wasn't totally sure was
33:06 this really a picture of Libby or was
33:09 was there and so it was it could be my
33:11 mistake but it could have been the
33:13 witness's mistake as well because Abby
33:15 shouldn't have had dirt on her back
33:17 because she was wearing clothing and you
33:19 would think by the time she was laid out
33:20 she would have been wearing that there
33:22 was a there were questions earlier about
33:24 where was she dressed and they weren't
33:27 able to say it was right present in that
33:30 spot she had been on her back for a long
34:33 period of time and this has to be Abby
34:35 because it was all about Abby right here
34:37 um and he thought it had been at least
34:39 eight hours just based on what he was
34:41 able to see Libby um also no evidence of
34:45 any kind of SV which was a huge relief
34:49 those wounds that I mentioned I think
34:50 we're almost done with this so I know
34:52 you're probably ready to move on past
34:54 this but I do want you to know enough to
34:56 be able to understand the case
34:59 initially oh boy this this cross was was
34:02 really good initially the witness
34:04 decided that at least one of the cuts
34:07 and he showed a picture was done with a
34:09 serated
34:10 knife and some of them were not done
34:14 with a serated knife that was a defense
34:16 argument well there are two knives there
34:18 must be two people because why would one
34:20 guy be car you know carrying two knives
34:22 that's that seems excessive it's not
34:24 very likely but he said at the witness
34:28 said that after having in his rep in two
35:31 different reports he put serated But
35:34 ultimately he decided that it was not
35:38 Serra that it was actually the handle of
35:41 a box cutter which has parallel ridges
35:44 for thumb grip and that was what had
35:46 made these marks and it somewhat kind of
35:49 resembles that pattern you might see on
35:52 the rubber he said to and so there was
35:56 great cross-examination on that I'll get
35:58 to it in just a minute he said to lose
35:00 enough blood Libby and Abby would have
35:02 been alive at least 5 to 10 minutes and
35:07 Libby you know had more Cuts but her
35:09 reaction was to stop the bleeding he
35:12 said a natural reaction he doesn't know
35:13 but her hands were bloody to stop the
35:15 bleeding by applying pressure and they
35:17 mentioned she had swelling of the brain
35:20 possibly from something like that
35:22 although they never really explained why
35:24 they were asking all these questions
35:26 about cerebral edema and whether or not
35:28 she had swelling in her brain so they
36:31 could not determine with any kind of
36:34 precision when exactly the girls died
36:36 and that's a big point of contention
36:39 because what the defense thinks happens
36:41 is the girls were abducted they were
36:43 taken down to a road right below the
36:45 bridge they were told down the hill
36:47 where they were taken to this to this
36:49 road they were driven somewhere and
36:53 brought back sometime after the search
36:55 was called off at 2 and before it
36:56 resumed at 6:30 and their bodies were
36:59 placed there in a clearing not really a
36:02 clearing but a flattish area south of
36:04 the cemetery and above the creek not all
36:07 that far from the creek the the
36:10 prosecution thinks that's not at all
36:12 what happened they were ordered down the
36:13 hill they were forced across the creek
36:16 and then they were forced up to that
36:18 flat area and they were killed probably
36:21 right there in that flat area now they
36:23 could not determine like I said with
36:26 Precision when they die but he said 40
36:29 41 hours something like that before the
37:32 autopsy which would put it at the time
37:34 the prosecution wanted but at one point
37:37 he had said something different the
37:38 defense pointed out he'd said 24 to 48
37:41 hours which would open up that window
37:43 for the defense to also be
37:46 correct so he said uh he could not say
37:49 much about the type of weapon that was
37:51 used and he admitted that he said he
37:54 can't you can inflict these types of
37:56 injuries with any instrument went from a
37:58 pocket knife to a kitchen
37:00 knife uh that for Abby also probably 10
37:04 minutes she might have had the
37:06 opportunity to react she her air flow
37:08 was not restricted so she could have
37:10 cried or screamed one of the things that
37:13 the defense has made a big point of is
37:15 that nobody in the park had any idea
37:17 this was going on no one heard screams
37:20 no one rest of their aid or was
37:22 concerned or called the police and the
37:24 defense says that's because they weren't
37:26 there they were taken somewhere else
37:28 otherwise they would have screamed they
37:30 would have run around this is a 5 foot
38:32 five guy how's he going to manipulate
38:34 two girls force them up a hill while he
38:37 himself is climbing up the hill how's
38:38 all that going to
38:40 happen all right
38:44 the okay looking for okay Libby four to
38:47 five injuries uh that he said he could
38:49 not tell whether a right hand or a left
38:51 hand inflicted the wounds if that had
38:54 been obvious then it might have
38:56 indicated two people had done it or one
38:59 but we aren't able to tell that did you
38:02 uh and he was asked about why he had not
38:06 redone his report when he decided maybe
38:09 it was not a serated knife after all
38:12 instead it was the Bots cutter and he
38:15 just said well you know maybe he should
38:18 have at some point after he'd been
38:20 badgered about it but for a while but he
38:22 he had given this he talked to them
38:25 about it and at no point had he ever
38:27 changed what he had said in those early
38:29 reports and what he had told them so the
39:32 defense was clearly upset that there was
39:34 this change in testimony at
39:37 trial all right zipping through my notes
39:40 uh never con y you
39:45 and I hate silence let me let me keep
39:49 talking he so he said yeah might have
39:52 been a good idea to generate a
39:53 supplemental report but he just couldn't
39:55 say that with any certainty
39:58 the next witness Christopher Cecil now
39:00 I'm going to thank a few people in
39:01 between but this was really interesting
39:05 he is one of the more honest Witnesses
39:08 I've seen somebody who will just say
39:11 what they think and they aren't worried
39:12 at all about what people are going to
39:14 think about it those are really
39:16 refreshing witnesses there aren't a lot
39:18 of them but they have a lot of
39:20 credibility when they do that but it was
39:23 difficult to tell you will be astonished
39:25 when I tell you the what he said about
39:28 Richard Allen and whether or not he
39:30 could connect Richard Allen to this case
40:32 so let's dive into that I am going to
40:34 thank a few people so I thanked H
40:38 Katie uh mom of hes the mess I like that
40:41 name oh thank you I really appreciate
40:44 that so
40:46 much uh Michael thank you for uh the
40:49 video I appreciate that Jessica new
40:52 member um and Cosmic shy love your
40:56 channel and hair oh thank you
40:58 thank you very much Cosmic shy uh Punk
40:01 Rock Harley thank you so
40:04 much Daniel saying he he prays that
40:08 they're in the presence of the Lord
40:09 Jesus Christ I agree with that bless her
40:12 little hearts it just it's a truly
40:15 heartbreaking case and that's one of the
40:17 reasons it's so important that it get
40:20 the right defendant that the right
40:22 defendant be sent to prison forever that
40:26 needs to happen that really needs to
40:28 happen here and when you see at the uh
41:31 photographs of the scene that I mean the
41:34 autopsy photos were also bad but for me
41:37 the more moving photographs were the
41:38 ones at the scene and just made me
41:42 absolutely ins sensed on the on behalf
41:45 of these girls just
41:48 outrageous uh wow April that is a
41:52 terrifying story that is truly truly
41:55 terrifying um yeah I understand why
41:58 you want to know about the case uh thank
41:60 you for saying that Lis Thank you new
41:02 member and Nikki T Nikki tiny is a uh
41:06 super sticker thank you I appreciate
41:10 thank you AR day is giving me coffee at
41:13 spences I tell you what in those cold
41:15 mornings that's super
41:17 important uh Isabelle small contribution
41:20 that's very kind thank you very much and
41:22 raspberry Bray vintage 10 lawyerly
41:25 memberships gifted thank you very much
41:28 Raspberry Beret I appreciate it okay
42:31 you're Michael's mom is is saying thank
42:33 you for the dog compliment they have a
42:35 very cute
42:36 dog all right Janet super sticker and
42:39 I'm gonna stop right there uh thank you
42:42 very much Janet and I'm gonna stop there
42:43 so we can dive back into Christopher
42:45 Cecil he is the commander of Internet
42:48 crimes and crimes against um young
42:51 people I'm trying to use my words
42:53 correctly uh task force with the Indiana
42:56 State Police and and he talked he had
42:60 was a computer forensic examiner with
42:02 the Indiana State Police in 2019 they
42:04 had a brand new piece of equipment
42:06 called gray key he could not wait to use
42:09 it as any techie knows and he
42:12 volunteered to reexamine Liberty's cell
42:15 phone obviously hugely important
42:18 remember it's where she was taking
42:22 Snapchat photos at the part that day
42:25 that helps give them time frame and then
42:26 of course the video that actually shows
42:30 a man walking toward them on the bridge
43:32 there's sound on it where you can hear
43:35 oh by the way yesterday I had said I
43:37 thought it maybe was aby's voice that
43:40 said something like there's no way to
43:42 get there there's no path some words
43:44 like that and a a sweet soft little high
43:48 voice and her
43:51 yesterday her Libby's mother told one of
43:54 the local media that it was Libby's
43:57 voice so there's some confirmation of
43:59 that I didn't know and I thought maybe
43:00 it was aby's but it was Libby's voice
43:02 and that's about all you can hear that
43:05 is all you can hear until they enhanced
43:07 it and there are a few words you can
43:09 hear that say guys down the hill but it
43:13 took a lot of enhancement and a lot of
43:15 work to add that so you could hear and
43:17 understand those words and that was the
43:19 only part that they enhanced there's
43:21 some more talking by that high voice
43:24 girls voice but there's not much and to
43:26 me it looked like
43:28 that when she was taking this video she
43:30 was trying to conceal the fact that she
44:33 was that she was using her phone that
44:35 she was taking the video it was about 43
44:37 seconds most of which was pointed down
44:40 at the ground but it was kind of moving
44:42 around only briefly did it move up and
44:44 show something on the bridge I
44:46 personally in it and from my angle never
44:48 could see the guy it was really brief
44:51 but they that's where they got their
44:52 still shot from of the man now known as
44:55 bridg guy and the question they think
44:59 Bridge guy is the guy who abducted them
44:01 in his opening statement the attorney
44:04 for Richard Allen said you aren't going
44:07 to know that based on the video you're
44:10 not even going to be sure the guy on the
44:12 bridge is the one who says the words
44:14 guys down the hill it may be someone
44:16 else who says it so and I I can't really
44:20 answer that because I never saw the guy
44:22 on the bridge that's how quick it was I
44:25 I can see where it might not be the
44:26 right guy and there some people um
44:29 looking into doing studies about how far
45:32 he was on the platform to try to do some
45:35 measurements I'm hoping that there will
45:36 be an expert witness who will give us
45:38 some information about that and whether
45:40 or not Richard Allen's height fits there
45:42 or anything along those
45:44 lines so he this what he did was look at
45:48 Libby's phone and he generated a report
45:52 multiple reports every time they came
45:54 out with a new version of the software
45:56 he would redo it it and so he or another
45:00 another um another person working in law
45:04 enforcement would redo it Liberty and
45:06 Abigail Williams were both using the
45:08 phone he confirmed now one of the
45:11 fascinating things he gave us all this
45:13 will be included in the timeline I'm
45:15 going to be working on
45:16 tonight there were the witness talked
45:19 about the the activity data on app's
45:24 app's on Libby's iPhone and
45:27 this particular data was showed steps it
46:32 showed distance WT and the stairs
46:36 climbed and the question is whether or
46:39 not that can fit with the prosecution
46:42 theory of the case or can fit with the
46:45 defense theory of the case at
46:49 131 there were
46:51 1682 steps taken at 208 414 me all of
46:58 this will be in the timeline so you can
46:59 kind of get a sense of how it all fits
46:01 together then at
46:04 225 68 steps for 50 meters and at 231
46:09 two floors which he checked and would be
46:13 roughly 20 feet so if it's not literal
46:17 steps then the distance that would have
46:19 to be dropped down for Apple to count
46:21 that as a floor would be 10 feet so
46:24 every time you move 10 feet down it's
46:26 going to count that as a floor whether
46:28 with literal steps or just a change in
47:31 the
47:33 altitude so and the two floors nobody
47:35 asked him this but I'm pretty sure that
47:36 can be up or down that it doesn't matter
47:39 which direction you're
47:40 going now remember that it one so at 139
47:45 1682 steps so a problem is at 149 Libby
47:51 and Abby were still in in the car or at
47:53 least the car had dropped them off and
47:55 was now going away and the Kelsey the
47:58 sister said she just dropped them off
47:60 she didn't wait a substantial amount of
47:02 time and then at 208 you've got meters
47:05 wed at 225 you got 68 steps 50 meters at
47:10 two and oh I even me missed this is why
47:13 you need a timeline um 213 is the down
47:15 the hill video after that 68 steps and
47:19 two floors so that would sort of account
47:22 for they walk down the hill to that road
47:27 and that would be probably two floors it
47:29 did look pretty steep but how does that
48:31 account for them walking to where the
48:33 creek is and walking across the creek
48:36 and then up the embankment on the other
48:39 side so it did seem like that might be
48:41 super important and that if we do a
48:43 timeline maybe we'll get some good
48:45 information to try to evaluate the
48:47 theories of both sides so do not miss
48:50 tomorrow night tune in it's going to be
48:52 really important we're going to be
48:53 looking at all of that in context so be
48:56 sure to do that
48:58 so at one and remember the phone was
48:00 posting during all this time so at 1:41
48:03 the phone posted a photo to Snapchat at
48:06 143 another one and this was probably in
48:09 the car which doesn't really fit with
48:14 the uh steps of 682 although they were
48:17 in a range they were in a range of
48:19 between 131 and 208 so does make things
48:22 a little harder to evaluate at 143 um
48:26 there there was picture it was one in
48:28 the car with Libby in the front and um
48:30 Abby behind her we only know that not
49:33 because they showed the pictures but
49:35 because of the fact that they described
49:36 the picture 205 uh Snapchat of the mon
49:40 on high bridge and 207 was the last time
49:44 that the phone was unlocked at 2:14 Abby
49:48 was across the bridge with the person
49:50 behind her and the video starts at the
49:54 43 second video at that point someone TR
49:57 to biometrically unlock the phone and
49:60 it's not successful at 232 is the last
49:04 movement of the phone we're going to
49:06 plug that in the timeline and see how
49:08 that all works with everything at and
49:10 then the last recorded data was about uh
49:15 he thought was at
49:17 1022 can that possibly be I have to chat
49:20 that number that seems crazy and he
49:22 thought the batter's out that's why but
49:24 it turns out that was incorrect because
49:27 because there was another download on
49:30 that phone all of which is very
50:32 confusing and I mean not just to us but
50:35 to them as well he said so he said so
50:38 repeatedly at the he did a second report
50:41 and because there were new software
50:43 updates he didn't perform any new
50:45 extraction he just reprocessed the data
50:48 they already had he fixed a few mistakes
50:50 found some additional information and he
50:53 said for example we saw um a video role
50:57 and photos that were not stored in
50:00 knowledge seed we don't even need to get
50:02 into that I'll just tell you that's
50:04 something they taught a great deal about
50:06 but the fact that they use them is
50:08 tracked you could one of the problems
50:10 that the jury was really worried about
50:12 was an insinuation from Baldwin that
50:15 maybe they weren't getting the very
50:17 latest data maybe they weren't getting
50:19 it all maybe they were getting stuff
50:20 that have been contaminated and wasn't
50:23 being processed properly so what the
50:25 prosecution has been trying to do is
50:27 Shore that up and say we were very
50:29 careful we dotted all our eyes crossed
51:31 all our tees and you are getting the
51:33 absolute right information and one of
51:36 the what they were saying here is we
51:38 didn't lose anything like a video or a
51:42 photo something really important when
51:45 this data gets lost and the defense is
51:47 asking about this lost data every time
51:50 we
51:51 reprocess they're talking about stuff
51:53 that's underlined not stuff that matters
51:55 or that would have affected the the case
51:57 so they made that
51:00 point the um and before I forget let me
51:04 uh thank a few people I don't want to
51:06 run too far behind Catnapper thank you
51:09 so
51:10 much Mr Crowley oh thank you what a nice
51:13 what a nice comment thank you coffees
51:17 thank you for the wonderful people who
51:18 are line sitting for me what a great
51:21 point they certainly deserve that I am
51:24 so appreciative because I really was
51:27 kind of at the end so I'm grateful there
51:29 are a number of people and I'm trying to
52:31 work out the schedule and I'm just
52:33 really grateful to all of you thank and
52:35 if if there are some we still have
52:37 plenty of slots so if you have time and
52:40 you live in the area please please let
52:42 me
52:42 know all right so at two well yes I'll
52:46 keep going all right the one of the very
52:49 confusing facts and the witness could
52:51 not explain it at all was that the 213
52:56 video the all important video that Libby
52:59 took actually shows she was located near
52:02 Deli high school well she clearly wasn't
52:05 we can see the bridge in the video it's
52:08 right there so we know where she is we
52:11 know she was dropped off right there at
52:12 the park and we can see it in the video
52:14 so it's not possible what he said was
52:17 that it's kind of like when you do a
52:20 find my iPhone or you follow somebody on
52:23 your iPhone and it when you first click
52:26 on that person it shows you a big range
52:28 like the person is somewhere in here and
53:30 then after a minute it kind of goes
53:32 actually they're right here and it zips
53:34 down and goes to a very small pinpoint
53:36 he said that's kind of how it works and
53:39 that maybe it just wasn't open long
53:41 enough to pinpoint it down to the fact
53:43 that actually she was right there in the
53:45 park not over at Deli High
53:48 School the phone stayed on he said he
53:51 now believes until 4:30 a.m. and it
53:55 received uh SMS tets at 4:30 a.m. and it
53:59 has to be on to receive those now that's
53:02 a that seems contradictory that it could
53:05 have been on all that time but the
53:08 prosecution wants wants to say well
53:11 those were just downloaded by some
53:13 incident and the defense wants to say no
53:15 they weren't they were downloaded at
53:17 4:33 a.m. because somebody manually
53:20 handled that phone as they were dropping
53:22 the bodies off and they or killing the
53:25 the girls right there and they left the
53:27 phone there and they TR they opened the
53:30 phone and that's when the messages came
54:33 through so there was no indication he
54:36 said that the phone had been turned off
54:38 that it stopped moving at 2:32 in the
54:41 afternoon that was the last movements
54:43 and which does that mean anyway we'll
54:46 get into that in our timeline and 4:33
54:50 a.m. the messages come through so is
54:53 that possible at
54:54 2:13 she is
54:57 recording this video she's recording the
54:60 video of the guy on the bridge walking
54:01 toward them and saying you know how's
54:03 she going to get down there where he
54:05 wants her to go because that's going to
54:08 be there's no path how am I going to do
54:10 that and then at 232 the phone stops
54:15 moving well we know the phone was found
54:17 under aby's body that is a really short
54:21 time from 213 to
54:23 2:32 to do all of that get the girls
54:26 down the Hill across the creek up the
54:29 embankment because it's not right there
55:30 it's a little ways down I mean it's not
55:33 just right present there I don't
55:35 actually know how far it would be
55:37 distance-wise but like I say it's a ways
55:40 and is that possible could they have
55:42 done all that between 213 and 232 when
55:45 the phone stopped moving I don't know
55:48 but we're when we build out our timeline
55:49 we're going to start spotting stuff like
55:51 that where we have questions or we want
55:53 to know more or where we have
55:54 uncertainty around what exactly happen
55:56 happen so 4:33 a.m. the next morning
55:00 that's when those messages suddenly come
55:02 through and that is really bothering the
55:03 jury they've asked lots of questions
55:05 about it at 4:30 uh let's see 3:6 PM a
55:11 day later it finally Powers off and the
55:13 witness says yeah that's when it lost
55:14 power that's when it fully lost
55:17 power all right anything else uh the
55:20 around 207 the phone was locked unlocked
55:23 Snapchat we'll put all that in our
55:25 timeline he also included a a photo he
55:29 found on the internet that reports to be
56:32 from Libby's Snapchat but it isn't on
56:35 her phone it's not a photograph on her
56:37 phone and it wasn't available when he
56:40 opened up her Snapchat app so it was
56:42 again who knows where it came from and
56:44 he didn't know
56:45 either he didn't recall how he found
56:49 it all right I'm going to skip all that
56:51 because we'll put that in the timeline
56:53 you just really don't want to miss
56:54 tomorrow it's really going to be good
56:57 received uh zero SMS all right we
56:60 covered that more or less Lieutenant
56:02 bunner connected to a phone
56:06 blah sorry give me just a second this is
56:09 the problem when you when you have to go
56:11 off I I think today I had 40 something
56:14 pages of notes it was a lot of
56:16 Notes One odd thing that they talked
56:19 about was the FBI having requested the
56:21 full file extraction and he asked
56:24 Lieutenant Holman could he provide to
56:27 the FBI but there was apparently it was
56:30 never actually provided to the FBI which
57:32 is part and parcel of what Baldwin
57:35 talked about in O his opening statement
57:37 on behalf of Mr Allen he said that there
57:40 was a turf war between the Indiana State
57:43 Police and the FBI and they didn't work
57:45 together and that that meant the
57:48 investigation was hampered that things
57:50 that couldn't should have been done and
57:51 looked for
57:54 weren't all right let's see what else oh
57:56 and here we go the moment we've been
57:59 waiting for so the on
57:03 cross-examination the defense asked well
57:06 isn't it true that you also looked at
57:10 Richard Allen's phone ding ding ding the
57:13 first mention of Richard Allen I think
57:16 since opening statement not one mention
57:19 of Richard Allen I was surprised they
57:21 didn't even object beyond the scope even
57:23 though he's the defendant and the so the
57:26 question was
57:27 nothing on any of these devices ties
58:30 Richard Allen to Abigail Williams isn't
58:34 that true and it's 23 different devices
58:36 from his home that they looked at and he
58:40 the witness said that's true and nothing
58:43 on any of these devices ties Richard
58:45 Allen to Liberty German true and nothing
58:49 on any of these devices ties Richard
58:51 Allen to the murder of Abigail Williams
58:54 true or to the murder of Liberty German
58:57 true and like I said this was a witness
58:00 who's just you know he just tells the
58:02 truth he isn't somebody who sort of
58:04 Shades things and what he was saying was
58:06 there was no history of connection
58:08 between the two of them he hadn't been
58:11 texting Libby German or he hadn't been
58:14 sending SnapChat photos or following
58:17 Abigail none of that was happening he
58:19 didn't have a connection that they could
58:21 see or affirm there was no nothing to
58:25 indicate he had done the murders that
58:26 they found on his device nothing to
58:28 indicate that he knew the girls that
58:30 they found on his device and like I said
59:33 they analyzed 23 different
59:36 devices the number of jury questions was
59:40 enormous I'm think they they had a stack
59:43 of papers that came from the jurors
59:46 after this and they go over but they
59:48 meet at a separate table they play this
59:50 sound in the background it took them
59:51 forever to go through all these and
59:53 decide which ones were appropriate that
59:54 they could ask and they asked a lot of
59:57 very technical questions I won't read
59:59 them all but I'll just give you a flavor
59:01 of them that um they they wanted to know
59:05 the jury did who was depicted in the
59:07 Snapchat on the Monon High Bridge and
59:10 there was no one in the one picture he
59:13 had talked about at 2:05 p uh pm. and in
59:16 the first report what are all the blank
59:18 spaces under events they wanted to know
59:20 are you blanking stuff out keeping us
59:22 from knowing it and he said no it had to
59:24 do with the battery I guess being low
59:28 something the juror um another was how
60:31 does the phone get calls and and tets
60:33 and stuff but not get SMS messages if
60:37 without a signal or a Wi-Fi connection I
60:40 don't know he said uh did you checked to
60:43 see if AT&T had cell tower issues during
60:46 this period of time which was an
60:47 interesting question he said no they
60:49 hadn't checked he said that the Snapchat
60:54 does not save updates to a story which
60:57 could be a reason that things were gone
60:59 but the photo should have been on the
60:02 phone so little confusing there he said
60:05 that if you um Can messages be sent by
60:09 cellular service yes how much data is
60:13 lost if the phone Powers off and stores
60:15 a month of Records he didn't know if if
60:19 there accumulative data for 30 days from
60:23 how much do you lose he said he didn't
60:24 know did the method one it rtion that
60:27 was a do not know he just it it went on
60:30 and on a lot of things that he didn't
61:32 know and that the jury wanted to know
61:34 but they were some of them extremely
61:36 technical clearly some of the jurors
61:37 have a lot of technical background and
61:39 knowledge and they were asking a lot of
61:42 those kinds of questions the jury really
61:44 really wants to know how on Earth those
61:47 messages downloaded at 4:33 a.m. that is
61:50 going to be a huge issue for the jury
61:52 super important both sides will need to
61:54 hit that hard in order to commit it's a
61:56 jury because they don't get it and of
61:59 course that's what the defense is
61:00 pointing out why would this this doesn't
61:02 make
61:04 sense all right anything else what
61:06 happened to the Health Data they asked
61:09 between 218 and 225 when the phone
61:12 wasn't detecting movement he said it's
61:14 just a matter of there not being
61:15 movement not data that's missing per
61:19 se and then one question was how did you
61:22 determine Mr Allen had no connection to
61:25 Abby or Libby and he said well he just
61:27 didn't find any information about them
61:29 other than that they did there were
62:33 searches looking at news after the
62:35 murders occurred but there was no
62:37 indication that he knew them
62:39 beforehand there was some internet
62:41 search activity all right so we have
62:44 covered the day's activities I will take
62:46 a few not uh few notes few questions
62:50 obviously I'm getting tireder and child
62:52 I'll be I'll be Punch Drunk on some of
62:53 these I'm sure but I'll take a few
62:55 questions let me make sure I have
62:57 thanked everybody because there were a
62:58 lot of people to thank and I can't tell
62:00 y'all how much I appreciate it and how
62:02 encouraging it is to me that y'all come
62:05 and you watch and you participate and
62:07 you ask questions and you are um
62:10 contributing I mean I'm so grateful so
62:12 grateful and to all the people who
62:13 volunteered to stand in line thank you
62:16 Ang Angels I'm so grateful so grateful
62:20 okay Bon thank you so much jaded Bell
62:23 another new member that's wonderful
62:25 Vesper appreciate
62:27 it uh Truth Exposed oh good Heavens that
63:31 sounds horrendous I can certainly see
63:33 where you that is terrifying okay uh
63:36 Court K you're
63:38 welcome and Truth Exposed I'm so sorry
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63:44 hardgrave thank you oh I forgot to say
63:47 if you have a question put question
63:49 marks at the beginning of your question
63:51 and it will give me the best shot at
63:53 finding it in
63:55 there all right right punk rock Carly is
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63:00 thank you so much I appreciate it and La
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63:13 that's very generous I am so
63:16 appreciative Joe barard super sticker
63:19 thanks Joe and day ly Wellness is saying
63:22 will the defense call Keegan Klein about
63:25 the fake profile one of the one of the
63:28 potential suspects vetted in a serious
64:31 way by the pro by the prosecution by law
64:35 enforcement is a man named Kagan Klein
64:38 he is now serving prison he received a
64:40 43e sentence for um s SAA I guess I
64:45 would call it against children I'm
64:47 trying to think of words I can use that
64:48 are safe uh safe for YouTube and so
64:52 anyway for really photographs and things
64:55 like that inappropriate photograph so
64:58 that's what he was accused of and is in
64:60 fact he plag guilty and is serving a
64:02 lengthy prison term he had been in
64:05 contact with Libby and became a central
64:08 suspect for law enforcement I did a
64:10 video on that you can go back and look
64:12 at that as far as whether they'll call
64:14 him the judge has ruled out all of
64:17 Richard Allen's thirdparty coporate
64:20 evidence in legal terms what that saying
64:22 is that that the judge has said he can't
64:25 present present evidence that other
64:27 people committed this crime she said
64:30 none of his evidence was strong enough
65:32 this despite the fact that law
65:34 enforcement intensely investigated
65:36 several people and hasn't really ruled
65:39 them out as suspects for any
65:42 reason I I said I think that was went
65:45 too far I don't think that should have
65:46 happened all of his third party culprit
65:49 stuff being it's being removed but so as
65:52 far as Ken Klein testifying at trial I
65:56 don't think so but will he testify in a
65:58 profer that's a separate situation where
65:02 the jury is out not present and they
65:06 then evidence is presented to the judge
65:09 in theory the judge could change her
65:11 mind although she's made a firmed
65:12 statement that she's not going to admit
65:14 it at trial but at a minimum it creates
65:18 a record which can be taken up on appeal
65:21 so that the appell court knows what the
65:23 evidence is and can make a ruling with
65:25 some intellig with understanding what
65:27 exactly is going on
65:29 there all right so uh good question
66:32 Let's uh head back over
66:34 and I should have checked where I was
66:37 I'm going to zip back and see if I can
66:38 find what where some of the question
66:40 marks are and how far back it goes I'm
66:43 just gonna have to start like right here
66:46 and just pick a spot because we have a
66:48 lot of messages all right oh I'm looking
66:51 for those question marks oh there's one
66:55 what were the jury questions about the
66:56 phone I read a bunch of them there were
66:58 a bunch more some of them were highly
66:01 highly Technical and um sometimes I
66:03 understood them sometimes I didn't even
66:05 know but uh I think I read most of the
66:09 ones that I at least understood um there
66:12 were things like could Snapchat pictures
66:14 not exist depending on the way they were
66:16 posted and he didn't really follow that
66:18 he said I don't know there was at least
66:21 one picture he could not recover and he
66:24 he didn't know why he couldn't get that
66:26 picture he wasn't clear why it wasn't in
66:28 the in the camera right there on the
67:31 phone it should have been and it wasn't
67:33 or it should have been in the Snapchat
67:34 app now it could not have been posted to
67:36 her story and I don't know Snapchat but
67:39 apparently if it's in your story it
67:42 lasts for a certain amount of time if
67:43 it's not in your story it lasts for Less
67:46 I could have that backwards many of you
67:48 will know far more about Snapchat than I
67:51 do all right does the app give us start
67:54 and end times for two flights of stairs
67:57 and it's during the period of time he
67:00 explained so it doesn't mean that from
67:02 2:25 to 232 it took you that long to
67:05 walk two flights it means that during
67:08 this period of time you did walk two
67:10 flights but it could have been at the
67:12 beginning at the end or in the middle
67:13 there's no way to know or it could have
67:14 been spaced out over that period of
67:17 time I think that pretty much is it
67:19 hopefully hopefully I covered at least
67:21 most of them all right looking for those
67:25 question marks at the beginning I saw a
67:27 bunch so I may have zipped past them oh
67:30 I see I went all the way up no wonder
68:32 y'all weren't asking any questions okay
68:34 Mango Tango did Libby's phone get Texs
68:37 and calls until it turned off at 10 pm
68:39 yes it it continued to get Texs and
68:42 calls but it did not get those SMS
68:44 messages until 4:33 a.m. and is there
68:47 somebody in the chat who knows why let
68:50 us know I I I'm mystified so is the
68:53 witness and so there is no answer right
68:56 now for how or why that happened did
68:59 anyone notice um I
68:01 IHS is ihv Shands I'm not sure if I got
68:06 that right anyone notice or will testify
68:08 to a notable change in ra Behavior
68:10 between the murders and his arrest yes
68:14 there will be testimony from a number of
68:16 witnesses including the prison
68:18 psychologist including his maybe
68:21 probably his wife and there are going to
68:23 be a number of people who are going to
68:24 be testifying about the medication he
68:27 received the treatment he received in
68:29 prison uh we were told in opening
69:31 statements we're even going to see video
69:33 of what his prison conditions were like
69:36 so we are going to hear a lot about that
69:38 Richard Allen confessed repeatedly to
69:41 these murders but he didn't do so except
69:43 in a very limited period of time now
69:45 yesterday some exhibits were from the
69:48 preliminary hearing this summer were
69:50 finally made available in the courthouse
69:53 in Fort Wayne which is not where we are
69:55 we're down here in Deli for the trial
69:57 and those exhibits included a written
69:00 statement by Richard Allen a note that
69:03 he wanted to confess and he wanted to
69:05 confess to the families or confess for
69:08 the murders of Libby and Abby there was
69:09 a written note from March early March I
69:12 think it might have been the third or
69:13 the fifth so that will without question
69:15 be coming in during the point of time
69:17 point in time when the prosecution
69:20 submits these confessions that was early
69:23 and I think before he had received the
69:24 first dose of how so hopefully we'll
69:28 build out our timeline bigger and bigger
70:30 as we learn more facts and that'll be
70:32 one on there and we'll be able to try to
70:34 trap those confessions the prosecution
70:36 says he received he said I I didn't do
70:40 it he was treated horribly for a period
70:42 of time then he broke confessed and then
70:45 when that bad treatment stopped he
70:47 stopped confessing and said no I never
70:49 did it so will this March time frame
70:52 throw off their argument if he hadn't
70:55 yet been given this how doll and was he
70:58 still being treated badly we're going to
70:60 find out more about all of
70:02 that coming up soon uh was Richard Allen
70:05 there yes he is there each and every day
70:07 as a defendant he has to be present his
70:10 wife and mother are also present in the
70:12 courtroom each and every
70:15 day uh so let's see uh who is this Anita
70:19 B what about his phone where did it show
70:21 him we don't have a lot of information
70:24 about what it shows yet all we got was
70:26 that little bit that it did not connect
70:28 him to Abigail or Libby that's the
71:31 little bit we got today just definitely
71:34 not where the prosecution wants to end
71:36 with one of its Witnesses but that's how
71:39 it ended that is that is or how the
71:41 cross-examination that first one
71:44 did Tabitha asking me about whether I
71:46 think others are involved I always try
71:48 to hold off saying what I think until we
71:50 kind of get through trial I try to be as
71:53 neutral as possible giving you the facts
71:55 and just presenting them to you with
71:57 some analysis of kind of Legally how
71:60 things are headed but I try to let you
71:02 make your own decision so I will say
71:04 what I think but I will wait to do that
71:06 so that y' everybody feels comfortable
71:09 coming that they're going to get as
71:10 unbiased objective facts from both sides
71:13 as I can possibly give
71:15 you all right oh that's a great idea
71:18 thank you Finn please do press the
71:19 thumbs up I would really appreciate it
71:21 and should have said that long ago so
71:23 please do subscribe we would love to
71:25 have you come back for more I am up here
71:27 in Deli and I'm going to be covering
71:28 this trial every day and I'm would love
72:32 to have you come back for
72:34 more uh so uh modern Soul asking me have
72:37 you seen any evidence that implicates
72:39 the defendant not yet in fact the only
72:41 witness to mention the defendant said
72:43 that there's no connection between the
72:45 defendant and those two girls who were
72:47 murdered that's the only witness to
72:50 mention his name so far so if the trial
72:52 were to stop this second it's looking
72:54 good for Richard Allen of course we have
72:56 not gotten to the part of the case where
72:59 they implicate Richard Allen it's taking
72:01 a while to get there and it's sort of
72:03 weird because he isn't really in I mean
72:05 it's not that he's not involved in the
72:06 case he's sitting there but he's not
72:08 actually anywhere in the testimony it is
72:11 a really different weird trial do you
72:14 feel the prosecution is lacking in
72:15 evidence pointing to the defendant yes
72:18 so far but that's because they haven't
72:21 gotten to it yet I think they will get
72:23 to it it isn't there is a lot of it the
72:26 confessions are in my view what is
72:29 either going to swing it or kill it and
73:32 that's when we'll really get the idea
73:34 about whether or not he's guilty can the
73:37 defense show that there was this limited
73:39 period of time and he confessed because
73:42 of the sheer torture that's what they
73:44 would call it that he was under or is
73:47 the prosecution going to be able to
73:48 prove he tried to confess because he had
73:50 found Jesus and I don't know lost it at
73:53 some point in time but he found Jesus
73:56 and just wanted to clear his soul of
73:58 bear his soul of what he had done we
73:01 will find out that
73:03 opinion step since the one witness said
73:06 part of the video of her lost was lost
73:08 by law enforcement can the defense bring
73:10 up the other missing videos good
73:12 question as to whether or not there
73:14 would be a door open there and I I think
73:16 there probably would be I think they
73:18 were already would have been so we'll
73:20 see if it comes up at any point it has
73:23 to be relevant at some point but I would
73:25 I would think it would be uh Carla am I
73:27 getting enough rest no not at all not at
74:31 all that's why I'm so grateful to the
74:33 people who are standing in line for me I
74:35 really I'm it's not feasible without
74:37 that and I wasn't doing that before and
74:40 when y'all started volunteering I was
74:43 just overwhelmed I mean it's crazy it's
74:45 wonderful RC is someone jealous or angry
74:49 about the close relationship Libby and
74:51 Abby had uh you know
74:53 RC I don't picture it being that they
74:57 did have a beautiful relationship so
74:59 cute well the best little story is about
74:01 how Libby had her phone be able to be
74:04 unlocked by Abby because she didn't have
74:06 a phone so they could both use their
74:07 fingerprints and use her phone so cute
74:10 but I don't I mean I don't picture this
74:13 being a kind of crime that would be uh
74:17 would be by someone who would be in that
74:20 right frame to be jealous of their
74:22 relationship that would be somebody
74:24 maybe their age like a y teen this is
74:27 just not a young teen crime that's I
74:29 just can't picture
75:31 it Amber an how can ra defend the
75:35 confessions without taking the stand I
75:37 think the way they would do it is
75:39 through his wife his mother and through
75:41 the timing I think they don't plan to
75:43 say they don't plan to well my guess
75:46 they don't plan to put him on the stand
75:47 that's what I would assume but because
75:50 all he could say is yeah I went crazy
75:52 what they'll do instead is offer for
75:54 example the prison psychologist to say
75:56 yeah he was so nuts I had to give him
75:58 how doll he was having so many troubles
75:01 that I was really concerned about him I
75:03 saw him deteriorating I saw him
75:05 disintegrating and therefore when he
75:07 began to decompose mentally I knew that
75:10 I needed to give him this medication and
75:13 I felt like he was not in his right mind
75:16 that's the kind of testimony I think
75:18 they're going to offer to defend against
75:20 those
75:21 confessions the so-called bullet they
75:23 had they don't have anymore didn't get
75:25 destroyed in testing there hasn't been
75:27 any testimony about that with so I don't
75:30 know the answer they talked about
76:33 packaging it so neatly I didn't get the
76:35 impression it had been destroyed but
76:37 then they did compare it to his gun so
76:40 maybe at that point it was
76:42 destroyed all right we'll take a oh I
76:45 need to come back over here where was I
76:46 on D
76:48 Lily grety Mama Nancy Grace mentioned
76:51 that he confessed with the use of a box
76:53 cutter so that has not been mentioned
76:56 yet it is true that he is said to have
76:60 confessed to have using to using a box
76:02 cutter that and that was why some of the
76:06 questioning around the autopsy was so
76:08 important because a box cutter clearly
76:10 doesn't have a serated edge and their
76:13 own autopsy report said serrated edge
76:16 said it twice and so they the defense
76:21 felt it had a really strong argument
76:23 this box cutter thing was false it was a
76:26 serated knife that actually was used and
76:29 therefore couldn't be just Richard Allen
77:32 or couldn't even be Richard Allen this
77:35 whole box cutter confession was false
77:37 now that the witness has changed his
77:39 testimony and is now saying well I don't
77:41 think it was a serated knife I think it
77:44 was the the ribbed rubber handle of a
77:48 box cutter that made this Mark here now
77:51 that is has created a problem for them
77:53 which is why they went so hard on the
77:55 cross-examination of the man who did the
77:58 autopsy and who changed his testimony
77:00 really at the last minute
77:02 there all right we'll do last maybe oh
77:06 just a couple more gosh we've gone gone
77:09 long but it's a lot of fun Jody vanover
77:11 possibly the phone was put in airplane
77:13 mode by The Killers could be and
77:16 somebody took it away from her it it
77:18 really it could be Lorena do you think
77:21 Libby's comments about no path Etc were
77:23 her way of giving Clues to what was
77:25 happening see I had even thought of that
77:27 that's a great Point Lorina yeah I think
77:29 it definitely could be and makes a lot
78:33 of sense and I think it was also her way
78:34 of kind of being practical okay you want
78:36 me to go there are you come on there's
78:38 not even a path that makes no sense I I
78:41 think stalling I think all of those
78:43 scenes it could be all of that she
78:45 clearly had a lot of presence of mind
78:48 that's what I will say about that young
78:50 girl she is really Brave Leslie Jacobs
78:53 do you know why the prosecution is
78:55 calling witnesses that claim to have
78:56 seen Bridge guy but then describe him as
78:58 not resembling Richard Allen how do they
78:00 think this will help their case it is a
78:02 huge mystery I do not understand it they
78:05 all of these witness came on and said
78:07 they had seen Bridge guy and they were
78:09 real sure it was Bridge guy and their
78:12 descriptions have changed dramatically
78:15 or have nothing to do with Richard Allen
78:17 and the initial descriptions had nothing
78:19 to do with Richard Allen Young uh tall
78:22 one one she said I only came up to his
78:24 forearm it's Giant and Richard Allen is
78:27 only 55 so U it just it none of these
79:31 descriptions really fit or make sense
79:34 and they don't hang together so yes I
79:36 think it was the this whole section was
79:40 a real mess for the state I don't think
79:43 they have any good clear eyewitness
79:45 testimony that links Richard Allen to
79:48 this case and how do we know that we
79:50 know that because not one of those
79:51 Witnesses mentioned Richard Allen he's
79:54 sitting right there in the courtroom
79:55 they're saying they saw Bridge guy
79:57 they're saying they recognized him from
79:60 the blurry photograph that was
79:02 distributed and none of them says yes I
79:04 recognize him and there he is not one
79:07 and that alone is pretty
79:09 telling did they recover call Call's
79:12 asked me did they recover the 70 days of
79:14 missing interview tapes or were they
79:16 mentioned in court yet they have not
79:19 been mentioned in court and they haven't
79:20 mentioned about whether they were
79:21 recovered but I don't think they were or
79:24 will be I think think they're just
79:26 gone I don't know if they will mention
79:29 that at all part of that related to The
80:32 Lost interview for example of Brad
80:34 holder he was one of the third-party
80:36 culprits that Richard Allen wanted to
80:38 point to and the judges said none of
80:40 that is coming
80:42 in has there been mention of any similar
80:45 crimes or disappearances in the area the
80:47 answer is there aren't any similar
80:49 crimes or disappearances in the area it
80:51 was generally a very safe place there's
80:54 one exception to that and it doesn't
80:56 seem to be connected or really similar
80:58 but there was the death of four young
80:00 girls in a fire nearby but it doesn't
80:03 seem to have any connection it was an
80:05 arson fire that was located nearby in
80:08 this
80:09 area all right and we'll do a couple
80:12 more questions as I said and I am
80:14 looking right now was there muddy on
80:16 either of the girls one of the girls
80:18 clothes so um Libby as I said was not
80:20 wearing clothing and she had a lot of
80:22 mud on her back um I don't think there
80:26 was significant mud on either girl's
80:28 clothing now that you mention that but
81:31 there was testimony that they the
81:34 clothes that Abby had on were very wet
81:38 and they were wet up to a line a
81:40 specific line on both the shirt and the
81:42 sweatshirt the implication of that is
81:44 that she walked through the water that
81:46 she crossed the creek and that that
81:49 Creek coming up to you know yay high on
81:51 her got it all wet from that point on
81:55 but but what that would mean is she had
81:57 to have been wearing Libby's clothes for
81:00 them to have a similar line as she walks
81:02 across by that time she was already
81:04 wearing Libby's clothes which would mean
81:06 that the clothes exchange had to have
81:08 happened before that Libby's shoe and
81:11 some of her clothing were found in the
81:13 creek the whole thing is really strange
81:16 it's really difficult to figure out
81:18 exactly what on Earth went on you can
81:21 tell it's horrible but it's hard to know
81:23 to figure it out that's a good question
81:26 Allison any information in Richard
81:28 Allen's phone where does it Place him
81:30 that evening we don't know all we know
82:32 is that there was nothing that directly
82:34 connected him to the murders or to the
82:36 two girls we got that straight that
82:38 statement straight from the man who
82:39 analyzed his
82:41 phone uh was there any jury reaction
82:44 when Richard Allen's name was finally
82:46 being brought up hugie buns asked I
82:49 didn't notice any particular reaction it
82:51 certainly was not favorable testimony
82:53 for the prosecution but I didn't notice
82:56 a visible start or anything like that
82:60 were the girls fingernails examined for
82:01 DNA well one of the things he mentioned
82:04 was that they normally take fingernail
82:07 clippings but he said that Abby must
82:09 have been a nailbiter and her
82:10 fingernails were super super short there
82:12 wasn't enough to be able to get
82:14 fingernail clippings from them so they
82:16 couldn't do that I assume they did for
82:19 Libby but you know now that you mention
82:20 it I don't remember him circling back
82:22 around to that issue and saying yeah
82:24 that's actually that's something we did
82:27 on Libby and Jolene thank you so much I
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