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For the past decade, off-topic threads have been a huge problem. 4 AM threads, deep sea threads, /v/ mansion, celeb drama, and so on. These apparently make up a good 50-90% of reports on /pol/, /tv/, /v/ and so on. We spend a lot of effort dealing with these every day, and that's great.

But one thing bothers me: Shouldn't these guys have a way to make these threads? Obviously, people really want them. Yes we have /b/, [s4s], /bant/, and so on, but because their userbases are different, that need is not met. "Well, they should just get over it" - Maybe, but that doesn't solve the problem of the endless reports. Their problem becomes our problem. "Every time we've tried in the past, it failed" - Maybe we've been going about it wrong.

I want to propose an idea called community tags. This sort of content-filter tag is ubiquitous on Reddit, but the example I have in mind now is GameFAQs: Every board on GameFAQs has the option to mark a thread with the "Community" tag. This tag essentially means "Off-topic": It's not about the game or console; you just want to chat with people of that community. An off-topic thread without the "Community" tag gets deleted. Naturally, you can filter out all "Community" threads with a single click on the board page. This would honestly transfer perfectly to 4chan - I can't imagine a single reason why not - and it would solve the off-topic problem overnight.

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>>8985
Well, I'll agree that it's a flawed idea, but
>Still seems to be a solution searching for a problem.
That's wrong, the problem is already stated. You don't notice it because it's normal to you and everyone else, the constant off-topic threads that have to be banned. Isn't the best thing for a crime-ridden city to fix the source of the crime, instead of arrest people over and over? etc.
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>>8984
content filtering works perfectly fine on 4chan
there are tons of boards for random/anything goes content and plenty of boards for specific content. if you post your thread for X content on the wrong board, it'll get moved or deleted and you can post it on the right board.

the question I see in this thread is this - is 4chan one big community or is each board its own community. to me, I see it as more the former - just like there are plenty of one board janis there are plenty of one board posters, but just because a poster only goes on /v/ doesn't mean /v/ should cater to their every interest. we should be encouraging people to post on more boards if they want to talk about more things, not turning every board into that board + /b/
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Rewriting 4chan code to allow a bunch of hidden threads seems like overkill. You could achieve the same effect by allowing each board to have 1 (one) Off-Topic General thread, which is only allowed to make a new thread when the old one is at Page 10.
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>>8988
>You don't notice it because it's normal to you and everyone else, the constant off-topic threads that have to be banned
If it's normal to me and everyone else, is it a problem? From a higher no-jannies-allowed?? perspective, community tags give the average anon far too much power to dictate 'board culture''''. The rules give mods and jannies an unshakeable place from which to justify actions taken to preserve 4chan. A community tag is essentially carte blanche for anons to do anything as long as they add a community tag. I value the freedom to anonymously post whatever you want (within rules that thankfully haven't updated to modern ''standards'''''') immensely, and users have more or less adapted to those rules with very delicate microcosms of culture (see /a/'s almost impregnable adherence to ontopic, /v/'s loose but ultimately consistent adherence to ontopic posting, /k/'s ability to adapt but remain on topic with tangential topics e.g. military recruitment general, ukie war threads), and a community tag that suddenly gives anons the freedom to post almost whatever they want, would severely disrupt even ruin what 4chan currently has.

In other words, from the perspective of preserving what we have right now, which is something worth preserving imo, a community tag system cannot be allowed.
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>>8963
>Shouldn't these guys have a way to make these threads? Obviously, people really want them.
No. We can't always have what we want, anon.

If the problem is "users create off-topic threads" and the proposed solution is "allow users to create off-topic threads in a ghetto" then that's not really a solution, that's just looking at the problem and deciding after further review that it's not actually a problem. Yeah, you can post politics on the vidya board as long as OP ticks a checkbox when making their thread and if it adheres to some arbitrary percentage-based limits.

I understand the motivation behind evaluating new approaches to resolving old long-standing problems, but this ain't it.

It would be nice to be able to request thread moves more easily than pinging a mod. If users want to have "community" posts then can have them on the off-topic boards. Move enough threads to /b/, and maybe the off-topic posters will just stay there and continue to shitpost about celeb drama and mansions and how jannies are fags. That's when it might stop being a problem. Then again, /qa/ was an attempt, but it did NOT go well.

We can't always have what we want and it sucks.

What's the most well-behaved board on 4chan? /po/? /lit/? /trv/?
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>>8860
How does /a/ do it? Even with all it's flaws it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards and a resistance to shitty external board culture thats not present anywhere else.
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Despite the popularity of animay/mango, it's not very accessible to normies. There's little casual generic discussion either. It's also very hostile to external influence and had some form of gatekeeping last I checked. In fact for me personally it's so offputting I don't even go there unless there are threads for shows I'm watching- which probably helps with maintaining quality.
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Not a value judgement or call-out or anything, just some observations about /a/. It's not even my wheelhouse, I just lurk there sometimes. And yes, I know >>8873 is a copypasta.

/a/ has a lot of colloquial rules that you have to lurk there in order to know. Some kinds of material that would be considered NWS elsewhere on the site is permitted on /a/. There is a very strict enforcement of "no request threads" which quite literally gatekeeps users; but asking for recommendations during the course of discussion is permitted, so users have to engage with the discussion in order to at least get introduced as a newbie. There is a "no generals" rule that is enforced quite well, despite the several threads that are functionally generals despite not being marked as such -- looking at you, buyfag and isekai generals -- so this creates a low-effort filter as well: users have to at least be able to "play ball" with the moderation and the others users in order to be able to post certain things. Anime is a visual medium, so the imageboard format suits the discussion style well: imagine trying to talk about anime on some other site where you have to find a host for your image, and then you need to link or embed it... yuck! Discussion is rarely approachable unless you're familiar with the content: there's so much anime and so few things to go off of, that unless you know what you're looking for, you won't find it. If you open a random thread on /a/ and don't know the show that's being discussed, it can be absolutely impenetrable.

tl;dr gatekeeping.
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>>8877
Gatekeeping really is a good thing, it's only actually bad when it's self-destructive, akin to an auto-immune disorder.
It's a community's immune system, and you need it for the community to remain in health.

The community telling troublemakers or newcomers who refuse to adapt to fuck right off back to the landfill they crawled out of is what makes the community worth jannying for. They know what's fucking up.
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>>8859
The dead ones.

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What are the primary sources of janitor attrition? Frustration, loss of interest in 4chan, IRL interference?

By this I mean either leaving the team, or else steadily increasing inactivity over time.

I tentatively invite people to speak both about their own cases as well as what they have observed in others. As I understand it, nobody can see who you are here unless they have admin tools on, so I am confident that nobody will be called to answer before the commissariat for anything they might say.
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>>8895
>it's still a little embarrassing to just not know where the line ought to be drawn when feeling like I should know.
I firmly believe 4chan is our last defense against skynet because the cultural norms are reinforced through this sort of socially shepherded indoctrination. It's like that experiment with the (rape) apes and the hose that would spray them, etc. By doing it the way they do it ensures a flexible yet cohesive group that adapts to changing circumstances without fracturing;imagine a school of fish or flock of birds in flight. The pedagogy is very sound, since it's the oldest and most primal ways of learning complex things and holding on to that skill for life.
Imagine a million (rape) apes with typewriters... Eventually they self organize into a team of mentats, and the learning curve and need to ask for guidance is worth that outcome.
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>>8896
Are you saying 4chan will survive GPTbots and AI-led social engineering because mods use sticks to beat anons into shape, thereby guaranteeing the formation of some sort of hivemind/online culture/social microcosm that has an enduring core nature resistant to excess outside change, and will eventually become something far more advanced, and jannies ought to find it worthwhile to constantly learn until they can aid the transformation of 4chan into this state of culture?
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>>8897
Yes, this is my hypothesis.
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>>8895
The free pass is well worth it considering my daily use of 4chan, and not having to trifle with crypto shit.
I do very much love my board however, and my primary motivation was "This kind of shit needs to stop, and it seems I'll have to be the one to do it."
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>>8897
Considering the human brain remains the most sophisticated 'computer' in the history of the world, which will forever dwarf even the most refined and powerful super computer in every aspect besides number crunching? Yes.
AI is an autistic cripple which can only actually do ONE lone aspect of abstract thought, it can't adapt to anything without being handheld by man ever step of the way, it's not even cognizant. It can be a powerful weapon in the hands of a human in certain applications, but we will sooner see the next step of human evolution (be that purely biological or cybernetically augmented), than we'll see machines usurp us.

Skynet does not have a snowball's chance in hell against us before we even get to the part where it's going to be 100% dependent on manual input by us to perpetuate itself. Our tribal monkey brains is what put us on the goddamn top of this food chain, and has kept us there for hundreds of thousands of years.

This computer is my bitch, I am its master.

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>Searching for posts that contain ‘"kill yourself"|"fuck off"’ and that have been deleted.
>Returning only first 5000 of 12188 results found.

This guy's been spamming EqG threads for over a year now. I don't browse those threads but it's so tiring to hit him for evasion and then see the exact same spam a few hours later. He clearly has access to a huge amount of IPs and probably some sort of custom script where he plugs in threads he doesn't like. (Most of the time his spam comes in from a few IPs posting at the same time)

I assume the fact that he's not rangebanned means he's using residential proxies or something. Would it at least be possible to set up banned words for his usual spam? Would it help at all? He has a few phrases he alternates between. https://pastebin.com/45bYiKMz
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>>8818
First time?
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>>8818
Haha! Yeah.
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>>8846
Yeah, I was kinda having a bad day and then logging on to see all that spam upset me. Sorry for blogposting about it
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>>8847
there's no need to apologize. that's kind of the whole point of this board. i will say, though, you're more likely to have success with this sort of thing if you ping or PM a mod about it rather than posting about it on /j/

Judging by the massive percentage of off-topic reports on every major board, it's clear that people want a place to say is on their mind, but also feel like the current avenues for this (/b/, /r9k/, [s4s], /bant/, /qa/) aren't good enough. And I get it. Those boards are actually used for a pretty narrow set of things: /b/ is for porn, /r9k/ for relationships, [s4s] and /bant/ for... whatever it is they do, and /qa/ for schizoposting. So if you make a thread unrelated to what's popular there, it's not going to get replies. If there were a genuinely good board for discussing any random thing, I'm sure most off topic reports would disappear. The question is, do you think it's possible?

I think most importantly here, it has to be SFW. But to prevent it from becoming like /qa/, there would also have to be some level of quality control. And this is the hard part. No one wants to post on a board that's 90% basedjaks, but how do you stop it? Would you just ban basedjaks? Maybe in the short term it works, but people will find something else to force, and you can't just keep adding new stuff to the blacklist. But you know, basedjaks and schizoposting already count as rule 6 violations, so without even changing any rules or making a new board, we could clean /qa/ up so that people are incentivized to post there instead of making off-topic posts all across the site. Just get a few janitors willing to enforce this and the other global rules, and it should be fine.

What do you think? A lot of people dislike /qa/ because there's almost nothing but schizo spam, but if we clean it up by applying global rules 6 and 10 a bit more actively, I'm sure it would gain new life and give anons something they clearly want, which is a place to freely discuss whatever they want without getting drowned in porn and spam.
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>>8802
The happenings thread moved to /trash/. They seem to be doing okay there.
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>>7977
I miss old /b/ just as much as you do brother. But one thing you fail to understand is the old /b/ existed in a different time in the internet.

Today, the millennials who enjoyed 14 year old internet shitposting back in 2005-2010 are grown up. They can barely be bothered to venture away from Facebook and twitter anymore.

Why? because this is by design. The big social media companies used the mobile phone internet revolution to hijack the internet and mold it into what it is today.

Part of the reason, in my opinion, 4chan has suffered lately is because of these ridiculous captchas. There's been so many times when I access 4chan from my safari on my iPhone and try to make a good comment or participate in quality conversations but the insane sliding captchas are just soooo off-putting. The first time I get a "captcha incorrect" message after trying to type that long weird bullshit I just abandon the comment altogether. Are these captchas really necessary? Are they really better than standard recaptchas? have standard recaptchas been beaten by bots? They seem to be used everywhere else in the world so I tend to think not...

In fact, 4chan is the only website I've ever come across that uses these insanely difficult captchas.

You know who doesn't? Facebook, reddit, twitter, and all these other platforms that have taken over the internet. They actively encourage posting whereas 4chan actively makes it more difficult, leaving only the most dedicated trolls and shitposters left. No longer are there casual 4chan posters, the new captcha has weeded them out. All that's left are the bottom of the barrel posters who post the SAME "celeb" thread 10000x a day.

When did /b/ become a place to spam SFW pictures of celebrities from social media? When did /b/ become a place to spam SFW pictures of regular girls off Instagram??? It amazes me that a place that used to be the most vile collection of goatse, tubgirl, terrorism, beastiality, CP, and violence has


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>>8805
now become a place where people spam clothed girls from facebook? It baffles me.

One thing to understand is that internet usage has shifted in the last 15 years. We live in an age where if an article isn't in pictures or bullet points we literally cant read it.

We live in an age where if a video buffers for more than literally 1 second we just hit the back button and move on. This affliction of INSTANT-gratification (and i mean INSTANT) effects millions if not billions of people. Shit, I am 30 and I admit to being affected by this too. Which contributes to why it's so bothersome to perform the new captchas just to participate in a conversation that likely will receive no response.

Modern day 4chan doesn't fit the new-age instant gratification model that the big social media companies have created.

1. It sucks on mobile.
2. Posting is hard because captchas are hard
3. You only accept bitcoin for 4chan gold so its inaccessible to millions of people who would've otherwise paid with a card
4. Even when posting a high quality response or comment, there's like a 99% chance no one will even respond to you, so there is no "social" media aspect to 4chan.
I'm not saying all this is bad. I'm saying this is a major contributor to why 4chan and /b/ is the way it is now.


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I agree that the current sliding mechanism of the captchas doesn't play nice with some touch-based browser interfaces. Like in firefox mobile on my device, you have to be very precise to actually register a pres-hold for the "t-slider" range input, and failing that you end up moving the entire pageview.

Implementing a custom slider for the mobile CSS would likely help:
https://www.w3schools.com/howto/tryit.asp?filename=tryhow_css_rangeslider
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>>8858
>because filtering mobileposters is a bad thing

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Is there any way to get another rule/template added to the ban request form?

Something along the lines of "Political discussion pertaining to firearms regulation and control should be posted on /pol/" or similar?

Especially with the changing US political climate, it definitely might help curb these threads if we could throw warning out for something like this and just add the contents of the second sticky as a reply in the first to save index real-estate.
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>>8258
I've come back to this, I get what you're saying, but at the same time, this is such an INCREDIBLY critical interest to the subject of the board that I think it's entirely unfair to the userbase that the subject cannot be actually be discussed at all.
Not being able to discuss it in any capacity on /k/ is a PROBLEM, and covering it under a blanket ban for all politics is a band-aid solution that just does not work. Large parts of /k/'s userbase do not have any interest in using /pol/ to discuss this kind of subject matter, for many, many users, it will simply not happen.

There MUST be a way to somehow make SOME room on /k/ on the subject of informing about upcoming and proposed law and policy changes about the very subject matter of the board itself. To suggest otherwise is to say that the board should intentionally avoid trying to preserve its own core interests, which would be unthinkable anywhere else on 4chan.

You would have to contend with people bitching about the jews, the blacks, the gays, the feminists, the women, the communists, the nazis, the illuminati, how my chad ideology is better than your cuck ideology, etc, etc, dicks in my ass, These are already a problem which is already to be dealt with anyway.

The current policy is not acceptable, and a different approach and solution must be found somehow, even if that solution is something as awkward and retarded as a rigidly moderated general thread which a few us have to babysit to keep it in check.

People need to be able to know and discuss what changes are coming up in which jurisdictions and what options there are regarding it, as well as how it can affect them. This is even larger than for just the American userbase, there are countries elsewhere in the world where these kinds of rights aren't as well defended, where entire fields regarding weapons and shooting sports can be eroded almost over night. To me, we are failing that camaraderie by not looking out for each other like this.
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>>8851
I'm a relatively infrequent user of /k/ but I do want to add this data point: in the odd discussion about melee weapons, discussion about municipal /local laws on brandishing are discussed civilly
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/k/ has country-specific threads, which cannot be expected to never discuss changes to firearms related laws. /meg/ is a permanent /k/ fixture at this point even if it's also strictly off-topic. Both are relatively civil and /k/ is the most suitable place for said threads imo, so enacting stricter off-topic enforcement may run into difficulties. Food for thought.
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>>8853
To echo this, /cangen/ goes on about Canadian firearm laws, but the only saving grace is that they act as little containment threads. Same as /arg/. Probably 75% of reports stem from either /cangen/ or /arg/, and I already know that going in to the queue.

>>8851
I'd rather have gun policy threads than outright /pol/ threads on the Ukraine war in the dozen on a daily basis. But, if that happens, gun policy conversations have the capacity to get out of hand super quickly, even more so than comparatively nuanced thread topics.
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>>8853
I think threads like those can remain civil even if fedposting and complaining about gays/trannies gets cleaned up.

>>8855
It can absolutely get out of hand, which is perhaps why centering it in one thread at a time which gets babysat as one approach.
Not a great approach, it'd probably foster circlejerking, but it would be a place to focus it and try to keep it civil.

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Another hurricane heading to pound town on my little city in east coast florida.

Just kidding hopefully this is a cat1 at best, but if i lose internet, i'll be back
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>>8815
god I miss mitch

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Hey everyone. I haven't been jannying in a short while because I was prepping for the hurricane and cleaning up after. My hospital shifts have also been all messed up due to mandatory pre/post storm shifts. Should be getting back to my normal life here. Luckily we missed the worst of the storm and only caught the southeast edge.

Anyways, I haven't disappeared!
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>>8777
wtf janitors be lookin like that??
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>>8778
if that shocks you, you definitely don't wanna know what the mods look like
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>>8777
>tfw no jannigf
life's not fair
fuck this gay world

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You know, it's not that long until Halloween, after all. I want to start a secret spooky skeleton thread here on /j/, where we stockpile the spookiest skulls and boners we have.
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Be careful of this October, don't let your skeleton run away.
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HAPPY HALLOWEEN YOU GHOULS AND GOBLINS!
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wtf /j/ doesn't have the spooky theme? devsama pls fix
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>>8798
default theme is lowkey spooky already
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>>8799
tbdesu this boards theme feels like a liminal space, especially with all the ancient threads on here

Well, I've officially been a Janitor for 5 years now.

Honestly, I don't really post much in the discord outside of moderation, but I really wanted to express how much I appreciate the opportunity to help clean up the website I love. I've been browsing 4chan for over 15 now and have met some great people and even some lifelong friends. I’ve had thousands of hours of laughs, arguments, and have learned so much. I mean, this website even helped me on my path to becoming a Software Engineer. I’m not sure I would be as successful as I am now without /g/ shitting on me and my code for so many years lmao. If I could go back in time, I would change nothing. Overall, this dumb-ass anonymous weeb-centric shit-filled forum has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for me. Huge shout out to the other Jannies, mods, and 4chan staff for working hard to maintain the website throughout the years. It’s a loveless job, but someone has to do it. Just always remember. [spoiler]we do it for FREE[/spoiler]
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>tfw your jannyversary is the same day as you birthday
what a nice present
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>>8674
Cheers, Anon
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>>8674
People tend to joke about how horrible this site is and how it fucks up your life but honestly, just like you I wouldn't be where I am today without 4chan.
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>>8711
weird coincidence, same for me!

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21 + 3 songs selected and made by our fellow janitors and mods (mods did not actually make any songs, haze them).

Happy new year!

Download Link: https://mega.nz/file/SwwhiSoZ
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>>8310
i love u
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New years miracle. God bless
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Merry Christmas and happy new year everyone
Good job on the album ヽ(^o^)丿
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>>8310
incredible
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You know the drill, I've made a post on the discord about the 2022 album submissions being open, send me your submissions via DM /j/ lurkers.

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/biz/ here - have to take 1 week off; will be back August 30th (next Tuesday)
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>>8691
We have a thread for this. Mods please archive or lock this thread, thank you.
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>>8692
bannebis tho
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>>8691

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Post cats
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>>8645
big box for big cat!
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meow
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>>8646
4u

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>clean up board over the course of an hour
>go to catalog
>board basically entirely on-topic and good discussion
feels good bros
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The other day I had 0 reports for a whooping 15 minutes after clearing the queque. 15. Straight. Minutes. Can you believe it? I thought time had stopped.
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>>8533
I know EXACTLY what my boards' garbage looks like because fucking nobody was doing anything about it, hence why I applied. /o/ has a long standing manual transmission vs automatic troll. He was never dealt with prior to my jannying.
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>>8554
Look pal, just because Americans think they prefer "aвтoмaтичecки" (whatever that means, probably some crypto-Russo-Soviet-KGB-FSB garbage propaganda term) that does not mean that they are trolling, their opinions just happen to be fluoride enriched.
I've only driven stick and I'll continue to drive stick like my fathers before me. Now if you'll excuse me I'm late to pick up my kid from his football practice.
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>>8550
I always sort by creation date.
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feels great. like how light yagami felt, if he wasn't an insane murderer.

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I just don't know
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>>8638
>implying i'm able to read
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>>8238
*blocks ur path*
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>>8641
i've unironically been trying to stop him from his cc sperg gf search for months
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