## A small beef with TUG stories.

Post by ProfessorRemnant » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:32 pm

You know...I enjoy a good TUG story, true or fictional...but I gotta voice a gripe...
It annoys me when the kidnapper or captor tries to be...the nice guy in the situation. The one who goes to the trouble of making sure the hostage is comfortable, reassuring them that their welfare is well in hand, blah blah blah...
In my mind...if you honestly gave a [censored] and were guilty enough about it to try and be nice and accommodating in a hostage situation, you probably should be doing it...
The "I'm sorry, nothing personal" angle is really one sided, and has always rubbed me the wrong way. I mean...You're a kidnapper, you're playing a role, you just ruin it by trying to be the nice guy.
Yeah yeah, I know it's just silly stories and memories of kids screwing around but, it grinds my gears a little.

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Post by Fesselfan » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:04 pm

Well, I think storywise both sides have their value. And diversity is always a plus.
For example, if you want to see a movie with a "nice guy" kidnapper, try the spanish "Atame" ("tie me up, tie me down" in english I think) which is a somewhat humorous approach to the issue (and one of the first movie appearances of antinio banderas which hit a broader audience).
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### Re: A small beef with TUG stories.

Post by NemesisPrime » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:07 am

A crucial part is being sure the captive is still okay.
I think both love and cruelty should be dealt in equal shares as both to show compassion and dominance.
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### Re: A small beef with TUG stories.

Post by Chris12 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:05 am

Well, if its a friend who ties you up then there's nothing wrong with him being a little nice while doing it. He's a friend remember

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Post by ProfessorRemnant » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:29 am

All valid points. I guess where my hang up lies is that once the captor starts the "Nice Guy" act, it removes all sense of peril, destroying the illusion of danger. At that moment, the captor is no longer a threat but rather an annoyance like a fly that won't stop landing on that one spot by your ear.
And sure, 'welfare of captive' is important and we don't want the theme to enter the really uncomfortable zone of cruelty and abuse. But the illusion and emotional high is just kinda killed when a captor doesn't even bother to pretend to be evil.

### Re: A small beef with TUG stories.

Post by Chase Ricks » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:26 am

Professor I gladly invite you to visit the rp forums. There you can see for yourself in at least two of the active ones ongoing that the concerns you have voiced on evil captors becoming good have not taken place. But I must caution you that the storylines and characters are very well developed at my hands and the hands of the current generation of other rpers here.
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Post by Soul_Rebel » Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:56 am

Your perspective is a very understandable one, however, it is not the only one regarding this issue. I personally do not like associating S&M with tie up games because I know i'm not an aggressive or sadistic person. Trying to be "rough" would come off as forced, because my gentle nature is such a strong component of my character. Despite being this way, I have an affinity for tied and gagged people. I like the soft grunts and the light squirms, but I am disgusted by screams of anguish and discomfort. For example, if someone is going to cry the whole time they're tied up, I'd rather not tie them up at all.
This is not to say I judge those who take part in consensual S&M activities, I just have never had it "float my boat." I see the act of tying or untying someone as intimate and a bit romantic, especially if there is an existing connection between the damsel and myself. This is a very particular middle ground, admittedly, a hard one to walk; many potential partners want rough bondage or none at all. However, it seems better to face a hard truth than deny it's existence.
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Post by TUfriend » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:49 pm

Personally, it doesn't matter to me. The situation isn't important. I'd also rather not get hurt. To me, it's more the feeling of not being able to move and the reliance on others than it is the danger or situation.
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### Re: A small beef with TUG stories.

Post by Jason Toddman » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:09 pm

> Chris12 wrote:Well, if its a friend who ties you up then there's nothing wrong with him being a little nice while doing it. He's a friend remember

Also, that's probably the only kind of TUG any of us has actually personally experienced. I know it's the only kind *I* ever have ever had. Anyway, I personally at least don't really enjoy the all-the-way-non-consensual type of TUG story anyway.
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Post by MissTieMeUp » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:31 am

For me personally TUG fiction is diff than non fiction. For RL stuff I would hope that the underlying theme is 'trust' b/c the person tied is in such a vulnerable position so trust (friendship) would hafta factor. For stories a bit of the unknown is always fun as long as and this is for me personally there isn't any non-con sex stuff b/c forced rape is ugly and wrong. So for intimate tugs trust even if the captor isn't always the nice guy should come to the fore with his captive (she doesn't like it at first and then feels herself 'wanting' to give in).
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