This may be too controversial

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:57 pm

As the title says, this may be too controversial, and end up getting taken down. However, I feel that if everybody is mature enough, we may be able to have a productive conversation about this. So here goes.

One thing that's been on my mind lately is sexual preference. As a bisexual man, I fall somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, and I can honestly say that I was born with this preference, this predisposition for both men and women.

This well-founded notion that individuals do not choose their sexual preference, but that it is rather a predetermined biological trait is one the main proponents for LGBT rights.

This is where the controversial part comes in. My question is simply, are pedophiles born with an innate sexual attraction towards children, or do they make the conscious decision to pursue such endeavors?

I understand that there is a difference between having these urges and acting upon them and I am BY NO MEANS legitimizing any sexual acts that these individuals have had with children. Furthermore, I am not comparing homosexuals to pedophiles on any level. Convicted pedophiles have sexually molested children who were underage and didn't know any better, and deserve the repercussions.

I am simply inquiring about the degree of free will that goes into having these attractions towards children. Please be mature about this. I really am interested to hear your opinions.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby oZombiex5 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:36 pm

I've researched stuff like this before it is quite interesting you should have a look at criminology it can tell you who's more likely to be a pedophile, series killer, rapist, etc. Although it is based on stereotypes so may end up in an unfavourable group.

One thing I learnt was that serial Killers (not pedophiles I know but can use to help you understand) have 47 chromosomes rather than the standard 46 and this for some reason causes them to be more aggressive. They would have to be born like this so there must be something when they're born that makes them like this. I think though a lot of this stuff can progress though like a lot of things. It can start off innocent enough but then they crave more and they just keep going on like this. Once these people are caught as well you never hear stories of them reforming or saying what they did was wrong. The only other explanation I can think of is if they are abused as a child or they have some sort of background that makes them think there is nothing wrong with liking children.

Re: This may be too controversial

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:02 pm

oZombiex5 wrote:The only other explanation I can think of is if they are abused as a child or they have some sort of background that makes them think there is nothing wrong with liking children.

Perhaps, but remember that people used to say the same thing about homosexuality. The claim used to be that if you were homosexual, then you were most likely raped as a child. As we all know, that is absolute bullshit.

Having something traumatic such as abuse or molestation happen to a child can produce long-term negative side effects I'm sure, and maybe even lead to aggression or serial killing. But I don't think it has to deal with sexual preference. Of course, I'm no criminal psychologist.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:19 pm

There is a great debate raging about why pedophiles are the way they are, but i can assure you of one thing; it's no more a matter of conscious choice than being gay/straight/bi/asexual. Some of them may also have sexual interests with adults, in the same way some people are bi. I think genetics have much more to do with it than environment, but that's only my gut belief; I can't prove it.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:38 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:There is a great debate raging about why pedophiles are the way they are, but i can assure you of one thing; it's no more a matter of conscious choice than being gay/straight/bi/asexual. Some of them may also have sexual interests with adults, in the same way some people are bi. I think genetics have much more to do with it than environment, but that's only my gut belief; I can't prove it.

If that truly is the case, then I feel sorry for them. Can you imagine being born with a certain sexual attraction, and NEVER being able to fulfill it?

Like I said, I'm not legitimizing their actions. I think sex in any regard is something that should be done at an older age,when you are fully aware of what you're doing and emotionally mature enough.

With that in mind, I don't think a biological predisposition gives pedophiles an excuse to engage with a minor. I also can't see any future where it is allowed either.

So it would seem that if you are born as one one of these individuals, then you are just flat out of luck. You have have no choice but to hide your sexual desires from the world, never acting upon them, lest you be arrested, jailed and probably murdered in jail.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:23 pm

SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:If that truly is the case, then I feel sorry for them. Can you imagine being born with a certain sexual attraction, and NEVER being able to fulfill it?

Why yes. Yes I can.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby 31acujoker » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:49 pm

I'm studying criminal justice atm and we spent several classes talking about pedophilia last year, and from what I've seen, pedophilic sexual preferences are indeed something you are born with, much like being bi/gay/straight.

I remember one class we watched an interview with an american man who openly admits he has sexual feelings towards children, but he is ashamed of it and never acts on his urges. So I believe though the sexual preference is something you are born with, the individual is always to blame for their actions. The same comparison can be drawn with bondage (sort of), some of us like simple tie ups, some take it way too far to the point of violence and abuse, and others like bondage but are ashamed of it and will purposely never tie someone up.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:02 pm

31acujoker wrote:I'm studying criminal justice atm and we spent several classes talking about pedophilia last year, and from what I've seen, pedophilic sexual preferences are indeed something you are born with, much like being bi/gay/straight.

I remember one class we watched an interview with an american man who openly admits he has sexual feelings towards children, but he is ashamed of it and never acts on his urges. So I believe though the sexual preference is something you are born with, the individual is always to blame for their actions. The same comparison can be drawn with bondage (sort of), some of us like simple tie ups, some take it way too far to the point of violence and abuse, and others like bondage but are ashamed of it and will purposely never tie someone up.

And then there are those who desire no actual sexual attraction to children but still desire to be tied up (and, in my case anyway, sat on) by them and only by them; but are ashamed (and sensible) enough not to act on such impulses as the law likely does not recognize any such distinction. I myself admit I am one of those. It is the major reason i no longer actively practice TUGs, as doing it with adults my own age (late 50s) has no appeal whatsoever.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby 31acujoker » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:09 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:
31acujoker wrote:I'm studying criminal justice atm and we spent several classes talking about pedophilia last year, and from what I've seen, pedophilic sexual preferences are indeed something you are born with, much like being bi/gay/straight.

I remember one class we watched an interview with an american man who openly admits he has sexual feelings towards children, but he is ashamed of it and never acts on his urges. So I believe though the sexual preference is something you are born with, the individual is always to blame for their actions. The same comparison can be drawn with bondage (sort of), some of us like simple tie ups, some take it way too far to the point of violence and abuse, and others like bondage but are ashamed of it and will purposely never tie someone up.

And then there are those who desire no actual sexual attraction to children but still desire to be tied up (and, in my case anyway, sat on) by them and only by them; but are ashamed (and sensible) enough not to act on such impulses as the law likely does not recognize any such distinction. I myself admit I am one of those. It is the major reason i no longer actively practice TUGs, as doing it with adults my own age (late 50s) has no appeal whatsoever.


Indeed, people who do defend LGBT rights (and rightly so) who use the defence "sexuality is a broad spectrum" are right indeed, but I think they often don't realise just how far this spectrum reaches, in my course I've encountered a lot of sexual preferences that are honestly quite scary, there are people out there who get turned on by severed limbs and other gory sights. We studied an Australian serial killer who would kill women, cut off their breasts and keep them because he loved their breasts so much. I could go on but I think if more people knew about these kind of fetishes, bondage and even pedophilia would appear VERY tame in comparison
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:18 pm

31acujoker wrote: Indeed, people who do defend LGBT rights (and rightly so) who use the defence "sexuality is a broad spectrum" are right indeed, but I think they often don't realise just how far this spectrum reaches, in my course I've encountered a lot of sexual preferences that are honestly quite scary, there are people out there who get turned on by severed limbs and other gory sights. We studied an Australian serial killer who would kill women, cut off their breasts and keep them because he loved their breasts so much. I could go on but I think if more people knew about these kind of fetishes, bondage and even pedophilia would appear VERY tame in comparison

EEWWW!!! :shock:
I'm into some pretty kinky things myself, even if I don't practice them in real life (anymore), but yeah that's pretty awful. The worst things I'm into only involve degradation aimed at myself rather than someone else; making my shame levels manageable. If i was into that sort of thing, even if I didn't want to practice it i think I'd be as suicidal as those guys in the stories who become werewolves or something.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby xtc » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:49 pm

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Sorry, I thought we could do with a kitty-cat picture after that lot.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby 31acujoker » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:00 pm

Yeah sorry for coming on heavy guys but that's the world we live in
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:43 pm

31acujoker wrote:Yeah sorry for coming on heavy guys but that's the world we live in

Well, at least it was on-topic.
Unlike xtc's cat. :P
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby xtc » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:50 pm

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Now that IS controversial!
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby Jason Toddman » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:40 am

xtc wrote: Now that IS controversial!

Not to me.
I first got my dog before i turned 12 (years earlier than i stated in my semi-fictional autobiographical tug stories), and for years he was often the only company i had at home. He was always there whenever i felt lonely and he always loved it when i took him for walks (living way out in the country, leashes weren't necessary) or wrestled around with him. :D
All our cat ever did was give me hay fever (I proved to be allergic to cats) and use a box of my comic books as kitty litter! :x
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:52 pm

31acujoker wrote:Indeed, people who do defend LGBT rights (and rightly so) who use the defence "sexuality is a broad spectrum" are right indeed, but I think they often don't realise just how far this spectrum reaches, in my course I've encountered a lot of sexual preferences that are honestly quite scary, there are people out there who get turned on by severed limbs and other gory sights. We studied an Australian serial killer who would kill women, cut off their breasts and keep them because he loved their breasts so much. I could go on but I think if more people knew about these kind of fetishes, bondage and even pedophilia would appear VERY tame in comparison

I'd agree with the notion that sexuality is a spectrum. Its a perfectly accurate metaphor, but I think it refers more to sexual orientation than it does the specifics of the sex itself, such as fetishes.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby Jason Toddman » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:02 pm

SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:
31acujoker wrote:
I'd agree with the notion that sexuality is a spectrum. Its a perfectly accurate metaphor, but I think it refers more to sexual orientation than it does the specifics of the sex itself, such as fetishes.

I agree. i think fetishes are a whole different thing with no rhyme or reason to them, and are unpredictable in their occurrence.
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Re: This may be too controversial

Postby .... » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:13 am

Dogs are better! Also... This world suck I don't hurt people... I kill em.

Re: This may be too controversial

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:54 am

ViXen MissElitAs wrote:Dogs are better! Also... This world suck I don't hurt people... I kill em.

Okay let's not get all psychotic, okay? This is a peaceful site. Please let's keep it that way and tone down on the lurid talk. Seriously.
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