Pearl Harbor

Postby SelenaGfan » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:43 am

Today being the 70th annniversary of the day that will live in infamy,the sneak
attack on Pearl Harbor let us take time to think about those entombed in battle
ships and those who perished.Let us also remember all who fight for our freedom
and liberty. Remember those on the U.S. aircraft carrier Arizona.

Re: Pearl Harbor

Postby dreadnaught3200 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:27 am

Thank you, it had slipped my mind that today was the seventh.

One thing though, the Arizona was a battleship, not an aircraft carrier. The fleet carriers were at sea doing training at the time and were spared from the attack. Which is one of the main reasons the U.S won the pacific war. The poor guys on the Arizona, the Oklahoma, the Nevada or the West Virginia weren't so lucky.
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Re: Pearl Harbor

Postby Chase Ricks » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:53 am

They knew the risk as do all who serve in the armed forces. But due to information not getting there in time the attack could have been prevented.
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Re: Pearl Harbor

Postby SelenaGfan » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:32 am

dreadnaught3200 wrote:Thank you, it had slipped my mind that today was the seventh.

One thing though, the Arizona was a battleship, not an aircraft carrier. The fleet carriers were at sea doing training at the time and were spared from the attack. Which is one of the main reasons the U.S won the pacific war. The poor guys on the Arizona, the Oklahoma, the Nevada or the West Virginia weren't so lucky.


My mistake i thought it was a carrier.May God Bless all who perished that day and the days
after avenging the attack,both military & civilian.

Re: Pearl Harbor

Postby fabolous1024 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:34 am

Shane Bikman wrote:They knew the risk as do all who serve in the armed forces. But due to information not getting there in time the attack could have been prevented.


What are you talking about?

Re: Pearl Harbor

Postby Chase Ricks » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:38 am

fabolous1024 wrote:
Shane Bikman wrote:They knew the risk as do all who serve in the armed forces. But due to information not getting there in time the attack could have been prevented.


What are you talking about?


Reading a lot of recently unclassified military history books.
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Re: Pearl Harbor

Postby fabolous1024 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:41 am

Shane Bikman wrote:
Reading a lot of recently unclassified military history books.


.... that doesn't answer my question. How could the attack have been prevented? It's not like it was an accident. Also, since when are history books "classified".

Re: Pearl Harbor

Postby Chase Ricks » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:43 am

The attack could have been prevented if certain members of military intelligence I will choose not to name had been a lot quicker to signal Hawaii once they determined it was not a feint Japan was doing but an actual attack.

What was classified beforehand now can freely be written into newly written history books is what I meant to say.
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Re: Pearl Harbor

Postby Qarl » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:32 pm

Even in information that has been available to the public for many years, there is indication that we could have been more alert, even if we couldn't fully have prevented the attack or known exactly when it was coming. For instance, it's my understanding that very few (if any) American planes were able to scramble to meet the Japanese attack. The way the airplanes were arranged on the runways at the Hawaii air bases made them easy targets for the attackers. Even if no one thought it was possible or likely that Japan would attack us in Hawaii, there were signs that should have heightened our military alert levels. There were threats coming out of Japan and Germany, the suspicious behavior of the Japanese diplomats in Washington, the unknown whereabouts of the Japanese fleet, the arrival of a squadron of unidentified planes early Sunday in Hawaii (thought to be US bombers coming from the mainland), and perhaps other warning indicators.

I realize it's all hindsight, but it appears that multiple instances of complacency by the US had to be combined for the Japanese to catch us so fully off guard. If there were no warning signs, then complacency might seem more excusable. But in the face of the various indicators that something was up, why didn't our commanders heighten our alert status, put some planes in the air, get pilots ready for the planes on the ground, move the parked planes to make them more difficult targets, move the ships out of the harbor, verify communications and alert statuses of all the Pacific installations, etc?

I personally don't think it was a conspiracy by Roosevelt or the military high command to bring us into the war, but rather I think it was terrible and costly negligence. However, there are certainly enough questions that make questions about a conspiracy worth considering.

Having said all that, I echo the others here and honor the many in the military and civilian life that died in the attack on Pearl Harbor, and I honor those that performed their duty in the face of the attack. Thanks to brave and devoted people like that, the leaders who misused the pride, power, and loyalty of the citizens of Japan, Germany, and Italy were eventually thwarted.

Re: Pearl Harbor

Postby lonewolfandfriends » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:28 pm

Shane Bikman wrote:They knew the risk as do all who serve in the armed forces. But due to information not getting there in time the attack could have been prevented.


Actually, information was received on the island of, if I remember from my book I had recently read about the attacks, Oahu? Their main airbase there was attacked around twenty-two minutes early as they grounded the coast where the airbase was while Pearl Harbor was attacked and then eventually flew off the join the fight.