trammel wrote:With all due respect, there IS something wrong and sick about "enjoying" seeing boys raped and abused. That is over the line, dark and wrong, even if you don't act it out. A healthy person has compassion for those who are weak or helpless. I strongly suggest that, if you feel that way, it WILL sooner or later affect how you treat or interact with people. I strongly suggest counseling to help you work through such unhealthy proclivities. Ask yourself, if you "enjoy" seeing boys raped and abused, even if you currently don't feel inclined to do it yourself, what happens if you have a boy some day of your own, especially on one of the many days he will exasperate you? And he will, children do that. Please, seek help. Please.
purpledumplings69 wrote:I think I like bondage because I enjoy seeing women in pain. it's as simple as that. I Get sexually aroused and get a bigger boner literally when I see girls crying while tied up. I like seeing them go through both emotional and physical pain. I guess that's what bondage is all about, but is it kinda sick an unhealthy to enjoy women in pain? tell me what you think
trammel wrote:With all due respect, there IS something wrong and sick about "enjoying" seeing boys raped and abused. That is over the line, dark and wrong, even if you don't act it out. A healthy person has compassion for those who are weak or helpless. I strongly suggest that, if you feel that way, it WILL sooner or later affect how you treat or interact with people. I strongly suggest counseling to help you work through such unhealthy proclivities. Ask yourself, if you "enjoy" seeing boys raped and abused, even if you currently don't feel inclined to do it yourself, what happens if you have a boy some day of your own, especially on one of the many days he will exasperate you? And he will, children do that. Please, seek help. Please.
I don't think anyone (least of all me) disputes that harming a child in any way is absolutely wrong, but how did we get from what the original poster mentioned to child rape and murder; subjects that hadn't been even hinted at by him at all?
skybird137 wrote:I don't think anyone (least of all me) disputes that harming a child in any way is absolutely wrong, but how did we get from what the original poster mentioned to child rape and murder; subjects that hadn't been even hinted at by him at all?
That was Kinoface's first post on the forums (See above).
kinoface wrote:I'm also going to remind everyone that I NEVER said I enjoyed or advocated the actual harm of actual children or actual people anywhere. That has been my point this whole time.
kinoface wrote: Your ACTIONS, the way you treat other people, that's what dictates who you are.
Jason Toddman wrote:I quite agree, with the caveat that I think it's okay to 'hurt' a non-underaged masochist (like me) if the action is mutually consensual and ONLY if it is mutually consensual (and, again, also legal age and/or peer age). Masochists like me like pain/degradation after all - at least, within limits. As long as personal boundaries are always respected, where's the harm?
I think you missed my point,
skybird137 wrote:I think you missed my point,
I wasn't interested in 'the point', I was just answering the question as concisely as possible.
ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote:What I think is that you're mixing bondage and sadism together. You get your kicks from the combination of those, I think.
But if you miss the point, there's no point in doing that! *sigh*
Surely that makes sense to anyone even if they're NOT an Aspie (someone with Asperger's Syndrome)?
Jason Toddman wrote:skybird137 wrote:I think you missed my point,
I wasn't interested in 'the point', I was just answering the question as concisely as possible.
But if you miss the point, there's no point in doing that! *sigh*![]()
Surely that makes sense to anyone even if they're NOT an Aspie (someone with Asperger's Syndrome)?ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote:What I think is that you're mixing bondage and sadism together. You get your kicks from the combination of those, I think.
I gather you were referring to Purpledumplings69 (are those last two digits a coincidence? Hmm) and not me, but I'd like to briefly comment on that anyway.
In my case I enjoy both (or, rather, bondage and masochism - the inverse of sadism) as each enhances the other, but yes they are definitely separate likes. Some people are into sadism/masochism but not bondage, and a considerably larger percentage are into bondage but not sado-masochism. I think most of us are pretty clear about those two being distinct; even those of us who like both. Most people who get confused about separation of the two are in my experience those who are into neither, or are too young yet to have learned to have made the distinction.
But, like any other mentally healthy person, I'm as distressed at seeing anyone else hurt as any regular person on the street would be. If I see a child being hurt, and I'll go ballistic if it's at all evident that it's not just a kids-playing kind of thing! I don't think a liking for bondage and sado-masochism necessarily makes someone a bad person; it's what he actually wants to do with/to people that determines that, I think.
If I started to feel a real desire to hurt anyone for no reason (especially after living my whole life with no such desire), Hell I'd have myself locked away! But fantasies without the actual desire to act out on them doesn't mean much at all.
ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote: As of fantasies, I'm finding it hard to accept even having fantasies like that.. why one would fantasize about things like that, if not for the desire to carry them out?
ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote:As of fantasies, I'm finding it hard to accept even having fantasies like that.. why one would fantasize about things like that, if not for the desire to carry them out? And I mean willingly thinking about them - I've had potentially deleterious, highly emotional fantasies as well, but rationalized them out of the loop after considering the likely consequences, and simply the facts why would I even like that after the fact. That's why I suggested deep reconsideration to Purpledumplings69 - he might not have simply thought deeply enough about his ideas, and it started worrying me inside with the potential yet unneeded consequences that could result...
drawscore wrote:When I was young, we played a lot of "cops and robbers" and "cowboys and Indians." We tied each other up. A lot. Nothing sensual or sexual about it; just a bunch of kids having fun, and imitating what we saw on TV, and that is how I look at the games, even after the passage of several years.
That being said, I don't care who you are, the deliberate harming of a child, or the use of a child as a sexual object, is, to me, totally unacceptable. Those that would murder or rape a child are not well. Those that actually do it, should either be released into the open population of a prison, or thrown into a hole so deep, sunlight has to be pumped in.
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kinoface wrote:ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote:As of fantasies, I'm finding it hard to accept even having fantasies like that.. why one would fantasize about things like that, if not for the desire to carry them out? And I mean willingly thinking about them - I've had potentially deleterious, highly emotional fantasies as well, but rationalized them out of the loop after considering the likely consequences, and simply the facts why would I even like that after the fact. That's why I suggested deep reconsideration to Purpledumplings69 - he might not have simply thought deeply enough about his ideas, and it started worrying me inside with the potential yet unneeded consequences that could result...
Just because you find something hard to accept doesn't mean it isn't true.
I think it's fair to say that most people, at one time or another, have had the type of fantasy you're describing here. And yes, it's true that SOME people really do go out and act on those dark/violent fantasies, and those are the people you hear about most often - on the news, in horror movies, on shows like CSI - but I promise you that for every violently unstable person you hear about, there are countless others who are fully capable of fantasizing about whatever they want and NEVER harming another human being because of those fantasies. You never hear about the guy who has violent fantasies about women but respects women in real life and has a lot of healthy relationships with women and one day finds a woman who is a masochist and the two develop a wonderful, healthy, consensual BDSM relationship and get married and live happily ever after and no one was ever hurt. Just like you never hear about the guy who didn't set a house on fire, didn't rob a bank, didn't murder anyone. The ones you hear about are the exceptions - NOT the rule.