Jason Toddman wrote:More like a swim of faith. What a pack of idiots. And of all the places to want to go to, why there? Kiribati is one of the poorest and unhealthiest places to live on the entire planet, for Chrissake! Even an Mid-East Islamic country might have made more sense for these blokes!
Kyle wrote:I think I would take this as a sign from God they were in the right place to begin with.
Antonius wrote:The fact that abortions are legal is not Christian persecution. Making it illegal on religious grounds would be an endorsement of religion by the government, and therefore unconstitutional. But they'd see it as persecution. I seriously don't get why so many high-moderate to extremist Christians feel that they get to bypass the Constitution...
Jason Toddman wrote:Antonius wrote:The fact that abortions are legal is not Christian persecution. Making it illegal on religious grounds would be an endorsement of religion by the government, and therefore unconstitutional. But they'd see it as persecution. I seriously don't get why so many high-moderate to extremist Christians feel that they get to bypass the Constitution...
It's not just them. It's virtually every religion you can name; Muslims, Jews, even Buddhists. People (not all, but some) from them all want special treatment.
Antonius wrote:I was referring to the United States in particular, but yes, this is also a problem with religions elsewhere.
Kyle wrote:It's not really any different than the atheists who want religion essentially removed from public life at the expense of the freedom to express it. It's just more fashionable to jump on the "religious people" for it.
Kyle wrote:It's not really any different than the atheists who want religion essentially removed from public life at the expense of the freedom to express it. It's just more fashionable to jump on the "religious people" for it.
ProfessorRemnant wrote:This family was from my home state. The sudden delusion actually kinda makes sense in that regard...
Jason Toddman wrote:ProfessorRemnant wrote:This family was from my home state. The sudden delusion actually kinda makes sense in that regard...
Why? What did you do to them?
Antonius wrote:Kyle wrote:It's not really any different than the atheists who want religion essentially removed from public life at the expense of the freedom to express it. It's just more fashionable to jump on the "religious people" for it.
The people you're talking about don't want it removed from public life or inhibit anyone's freedom to practice it. We want endorsement of religion out of schools and government, mainly. I don't want to hear my principal lead the school in a group prayer during my graduation a few years from now. That doesn't mean I want praying in school outlawed, its completely fine with me on a personal basis, but a public school leading the student body in any religious practice is where I say "No, this is not ok."
Kyle wrote:Antonius wrote:Kyle wrote:It's not really any different than the atheists who want religion essentially removed from public life at the expense of the freedom to express it. It's just more fashionable to jump on the "religious people" for it.
The people you're talking about don't want it removed from public life or inhibit anyone's freedom to practice it. We want endorsement of religion out of schools and government, mainly. I don't want to hear my principal lead the school in a group prayer during my graduation a few years from now. That doesn't mean I want praying in school outlawed, its completely fine with me on a personal basis, but a public school leading the student body in any religious practice is where I say "No, this is not ok."
Exactly why did you assume I meant you, or people like you, in the first place? I didn't name anyone specific. That's kind of telling.
Jason Toddman wrote:Kyle wrote:Antonius wrote:Kyle wrote:It's not really any different than the atheists who want religion essentially removed from public life at the expense of the freedom to express it. It's just more fashionable to jump on the "religious people" for it.
The people you're talking about don't want it removed from public life or inhibit anyone's freedom to practice it. We want endorsement of religion out of schools and government, mainly. I don't want to hear my principal lead the school in a group prayer during my graduation a few years from now. That doesn't mean I want praying in school outlawed, its completely fine with me on a personal basis, but a public school leading the student body in any religious practice is where I say "No, this is not ok."
Exactly why did you assume I meant you, or people like you, in the first place? I didn't name anyone specific. That's kind of telling.
I don't understand your objection. You yourself brought up atheists. Antonius was simply (I assume) responding as one. What's the problem?
Antonius wrote:Well, I'm actually a deist