Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Kyle » Sun Dec 07, 2014 3:34 pm

If you're watching a TV show or a movie, or reading a book, etc., and someone gets bound and gagged, does it bother you much if it's something that isn't very realistic? This primarily deals with gags. For instance, it's very common for a character to get gagged with a single piece of duct tape, which a lot of people here probably already know won't usually hold for very long.

In other words, do you like everything to be realistic, or do you accept a little bit of a break in reality (since we ARE talking about fiction here)?

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby 31acujoker » Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:31 pm

I find I don't mind a single strip of tape if the damsel still looks nice, although if it's something completely stupid like a strip of tape that only just covers the mouth and nothing else that makes me a bit shirky
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby gagfan867 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:40 pm

It bugs me a bit, both as a fan of bondage and just from a logical stand point. I mean completely ignoring the fact I like bondage, how as a viewer am i really supposed to buy the helplessness of a person who has their hands bound in front of them with a piece of tape over their mouth? Ignoring the fact one piece of tape wont really quiet them they literally can just pull it off.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby TUfriend » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:58 pm

Oh, no, you've wrapped me up with one loop of rope around my arms and torso, how ever will I escape?

^Biggest pet peeve. I mean, sometimes the gag is purely aesthetic, but in terms of being tied up so you can't escape, it's rare that the character is actually tied up.
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby 31acujoker » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:13 pm

TUfriend wrote:
Oh, no, you've wrapped me up with one loop of rope around my arms and torso, how ever will I escape?

^Biggest pet peeve. I mean, sometimes the gag is purely aesthetic, but in terms of being tied up so you can't escape, it's rare that the character is actually tied up.


I agree, it's annoying when someone in a film is bound with a couple strands of loose rope that a six-year-old could escape from
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby TUfriend » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:31 pm

Better yet, when they have two people back to back in chairs with rope around both people. That just adds even more slack.
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby 31acujoker » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:03 pm

I guess the point that I personally am trying to get at is I prefer realism, but I don't mind sometimes because as you said Kyle, it is Fiction and most of the time the focus isn't even meant to be on the captive character anyway.
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Matthewtheman » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:33 pm

Sometimes. The main thing that really bothers me though is when someone is gagged with a cloth tied over their mouth and no stuffing whatsoever. That is just about the least effective gag ever, and will not muffle their sound effectively. It's even worse when it goes over their nose too, because a: bandits are often depicted with bandanas tied over their mouths and noses and they can talk just fine, and b: it is even less effective because it gives the mouth more room.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Lake Lover » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:43 pm

Yeah. Ineffective gags are foolish and for experts in the art, like us, seeing them is groan time.

Another peeve is the scene of a well bound, gagged and nicely blindfolded captive, and the captor is threatening them with a pistol pointed at them.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Nexus » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:52 pm

It bothers me both as a bondage fan, and from a fan of movies/television. It just doesn't look/feel real when it appears that the victim should easily be able to slip out of ropes/speak through a gag.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby skybird137 » Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:45 am

There's a lovely drawing by http://shiniez.deviantart.com/ Shiniez that sums the situation up.



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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby TUfriend » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:36 pm

I'm curious to see how the 50 Shades movie goes. how realistic will they get? My friends want to see it ironically. I wouldn't enjoy it(too straight for me), but I might go see it anyway.
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby jsherwood » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:05 pm

Kyle wrote:If you're watching a TV show or a movie, or reading a book, etc., and someone gets bound and gagged, does it bother you much if it's something that isn't very realistic? This primarily deals with gags. For instance, it's very common for a character to get gagged with a single piece of duct tape, which a lot of people here probably already know won't usually hold for very long.

In other words, do you like everything to be realistic, or do you accept a little bit of a break in reality (since we ARE talking about fiction here)?


Yes it does.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Chris12 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:00 pm

Nope, doesn't matter me at all. It looks better so i'm fine with it. I wish those simpler gag's were as effective as they are in movies.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby xtc » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:45 pm

Oh, my starry droogs,
Is anyone old enough to remember when a character, perhaps Kookie, (Gerald Lloyd Kookson III) played by Ed Byrnes was captured, bound and gagged? One of the villains, when he produced the gag, said, "Yes, there's a firm in ???? manufactures them" [paraphrase]
It looked realistic to me at the time but that was in the early 60's and I was only about 12 for goodness sake. (NO! I'm NOT imagining it!!

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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Kyle » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:07 pm

Chris12 wrote:Nope, doesn't matter me at all. It looks better so i'm fine with it. I wish those simpler gag's were as effective as they are in movies.


You know of people here would love it if a single strip of duct tape or a simple cloth tied in the mouth really kept someone from shouting.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby truly_trussed » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:35 pm

Damsel Fans everywhere should check out the 1985 dark comedy "After Hours." Linda Fiorentino is tightly bound and cleave gagged. She's not a hostage or crime victim, just a consenting adult.
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:16 am

On the plus side, anyone who sees the movie with poor gags and tie-ups with a friend they'd like to play a Tug (but never have so far) with could use the scene as an opener. Oh please, I could do a better job than that. Or, even you (or a child) could get out of a Tie-up like that! Or maybe, well that's the kind of tie-up someone like you would do. If you can get them to see it as a fun kind of challenge (especially if the scene looks sufficiently fake to not be at all scary), maybe you can get your own Tug out of it.
That is, assuming you're watching the movie at home rather than in a public theater. :geek:
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby xtc » Fri Dec 12, 2014 10:05 am

Why? Isn't it dark in American cinemas?
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:45 pm

xtc wrote:Why? Isn't it dark in American cinemas?

Not *that* dark, it isn't. :D And definitely not private enough either.
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Soul_Rebel » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:12 am

Jason Toddman wrote:On the plus side, anyone who sees the movie with poor gags and tie-ups with a friend they'd like to play a Tug (but never have so far) with could use the scene as an opener. Oh please, I could do a better job than that.


No one's introduction into bondage should be inescapable and strict. Film can (rather inadvertently) make tug's seem more inviting and innocent by doing this.

That being said, in films where there is already adult content and violence, and the situation is dire, the bonds should be realistic. Actors and actresses shouldn't be so forced into a scene that it has to be toned down with loosies, though actors and actresses should also be willing to do harmless things that are uncomfortable.
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby jsherwood » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:58 pm

Soul_Rebel wrote:
Jason Toddman wrote:On the plus side, anyone who sees the movie with poor gags and tie-ups with a friend they'd like to play a Tug (but never have so far) with could use the scene as an opener. Oh please, I could do a better job than that.


No one's introduction into bondage should be inescapable and strict. Film can (rather inadvertently) make tug's seem more inviting and innocent by doing this.

That being said, in films where there is already adult content and violence, and the situation is dire, the bonds should be realistic. Actors and actresses shouldn't be so forced into a scene that it has to be toned down with loosies, though actors and actresses should also be willing to do harmless things that are uncomfortable.


The more realistic a scene, the better the episode/movie.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:30 pm

The problem is, if anyone made a truly convincing tie-up scene, would some people consider it 'torture porn' and try to ban it? Or at least give it an 'R' rating for that reason alone? Seriously, I have no idea how well that would fly - in the USA anyway.
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby jsherwood » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:36 pm

The Disappearance of Alice Creed was not porn.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby gagfan867 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:28 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:The problem is, if anyone made a truly convincing tie-up scene, would some people consider it 'torture porn' and try to ban it? Or at least give it an 'R' rating for that reason alone? Seriously, I have no idea how well that would fly - in the USA anyway.

Nah most people cant really tell the difference between tight and loose bondage. What is being done to the person bound would have a lot more to do with the rating than the bondage itself. A person in a loosey with a single trip gag being tortured like criminal minds likes to do is going to get a lot more attention than a damsel with a wrap around tape gag and tight ropes who is just being held for ransom and menaced.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Kyle » Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:10 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:The problem is, if anyone made a truly convincing tie-up scene, would some people consider it 'torture porn' and try to ban it? Or at least give it an 'R' rating for that reason alone? Seriously, I have no idea how well that would fly - in the USA anyway.


I'm not sure whether to take this seriously or as sarcasm.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:14 pm

Kyle wrote:
Jason Toddman wrote:The problem is, if anyone made a truly convincing tie-up scene, would some people consider it 'torture porn' and try to ban it? Or at least give it an 'R' rating for that reason alone? Seriously, I have no idea how well that would fly - in the USA anyway.


I'm not sure whether to take this seriously or as sarcasm.

No, I was serious. I never say seriously if i don't actually mean it.
If that makes me sound naive or something... oh well. In many ways i guess i still am. :quirk:
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Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby PetSilkenvixen » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:02 pm

Oh gawd, YES! It drives me nuts!!

I saw a scene once in which a woman was tape-gagged and bound to a chair, her hands behind the back. As whatever danger downstairs was coming a'threatening, she strugged so hard her duct tape ripped and she freed her hands!

Now that happened to me once, but the woman who taped my hands only used one pass. I'd like to think criminals are smarter than that!
Christyne

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby skybird137 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:09 pm

In the Fifty Shades Trailer, at 1:54 the supposed bondage is quite clearly a loosie.

Now, if a supposed 'Hollywimp' BSDM movie can't get it right, it becomes very embarrassing.

Re: Unrealistic Gagging and Binding in Media

Postby gagfan867 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:08 pm

skybird137 wrote:In the Fifty Shades Trailer, at 1:54 the supposed bondage is quite clearly a loosie.

Now, if a supposed 'Hollywimp' BSDM movie can't get it right, it becomes very embarrassing.

Yea its a bit surprising for a movie with a plot built around this stuff they are still going to soft it up. Then again I guess the true target audience probably doesnt have much of an understanding for actual bondage so they might not want to frighten them.