The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Jay Feely » Sun May 01, 2011 7:07 pm

Just found out he is dead:

He killed 3,000+ in 9/11
He killed 202 in 2002
He killed 15 in 2000
He killed 268 in 1998
You will have to subdue me to restrain me. I been a bad boy so make sure you torture me too with anything but pain.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Male shortstied » Sun May 01, 2011 7:21 pm

I know just saw it to.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby zanev » Sun May 01, 2011 7:29 pm

Don't forget in the 1980's when the USA gave him CIA training. Thank God he is dead though.
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Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby GentleDom » Sun May 01, 2011 7:42 pm

LONG LIVE THE US ARMY!!!
I am one with the rope! I am the politest Dom, I always ask whats your limit, and if your willing,
If you would like to break them ^.^ *bows* A Gentle Dom, one who still can do it quite well ;D
at your service, and you will be at mine ^.^

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Boundboy15 » Sun May 01, 2011 7:52 pm

I must thank God for finally bringing justice to the American people. God bless The United States of America and God bless the United States Military.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby SelenaGfan » Sun May 01, 2011 11:22 pm

GentleDom wrote:LONG LIVE THE US ARMY!!!

GOD BLESS THE NAVY SEALE THEY REPORT KILLED THIS BASTARD!!!!!
They should make his head a urinal at Ground Zero in NYC.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Chris12 » Sun May 01, 2011 11:45 pm

Great that's he's dead and i'm happy for everyone who lost someone to this guy

I can't really say i'm happy with how he got killed though. We just get to hear out of nowhere that he was shot(probably painless :( ) He should have stood trial and then be executed(in the most painfull maner we can think off!)

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby zanev » Mon May 02, 2011 12:22 am

I take back my comment, because a friend pointed out to me that even though he killed a lot of people its still a life. In my personal view, if I'm against abortion for the reason of life and if I'm against the death penalty for the same reason then I shouldn't be happy when someone dies in war.
I close my eyes, Inis Mona
And reminisce of those palmy days
I moon o'er you, Inis Mona
As long as I breathe
I'll call you my home

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Fesselfan » Mon May 02, 2011 12:34 am

I wonder if this is really the truth. after all, they claim they have already disposed the remains in the sea.
Maybe he is really dead now?
Maybe he is still alive?
Maybe he died already years ago and was just too usefull for the US to be officially declared dead?
I wonder if we will ever know.

cheers

FF
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Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby zanev » Mon May 02, 2011 12:36 am

Fesselfan wrote:I wonder if this is really the truth. after all, they claim they have already disposed the remains in the sea.
Maybe he is really dead now?
Maybe he is still alive?
Maybe he died already years ago and was just too usefull for the US to be officially declared dead?
I wonder if we will ever know.

cheers

FF


Apparently the reason is due to Muslim tradition of burrying a body within 24hours of death. He was a saudi and they refused to take his body, so I guess they just threw it in the ocean.
I close my eyes, Inis Mona
And reminisce of those palmy days
I moon o'er you, Inis Mona
As long as I breathe
I'll call you my home

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Fesselfan » Mon May 02, 2011 12:50 am

zanev wrote:
Fesselfan wrote:I wonder if this is really the truth. after all, they claim they have already disposed the remains in the sea.
Maybe he is really dead now?
Maybe he is still alive?
Maybe he died already years ago and was just too usefull for the US to be officially declared dead?
I wonder if we will ever know.

cheers

FF


Apparently the reason is due to Muslim tradition of burrying a body within 24hours of death. He was a saudi and they refused to take his body, so I guess they just threw it in the ocean.


Entirely possible...but I don't know, somehow it sounds way too usefull, at least if you think about US policy as somewhat hippocretic.
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby dreadnaught3200 » Mon May 02, 2011 1:07 am

zanev wrote:I take back my comment, because a friend pointed out to me that even though he killed a lot of people its still a life. In my personal view, if I'm against abortion for the reason of life and if I'm against the death penalty for the same reason then I shouldn't be happy when someone dies in war.


I respect this view Zanev, though I can't say I agree. I am against abortion, but I do support capitol punishment in the MOST extreme circumstances (Eg. Serial Killers or child molesters... Or mass murdering terrorists)

Human life is of course sacred and should be cherished, which is why I'm against abortion, as that is robbing a child of the chance to live. However, Osama Bin Laden has proven that he did not respect the sanctity of life. He proved that through his actions. He murdered thousands and thousands of innocent people and frankly I don't care what his reasons were. He violated the sanctity of life in the most heinous way and for that I think he deserved to have his life taken from him.

Murder is wrong I know. But in some cases it is the only suitable form of justice.
There's a permanent tension in music isn't there? On one hand you have three chords, you know, four four and three chords. Then there's the people like me, who say "Well, why don't we add a fourth chord and put it in five four?" - Bill Bruford

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby SamanthaBoundx » Mon May 02, 2011 6:23 am

'm gonna be a little contentious here and point out that this could also be pretty bad news. . .

Don't get me wrong. The guy was evil and God knows that if anyone deserved to die, it was him. But don't forgot the fact that he has millions and millions of supporters out there who share his views and (given the right circumstances) are capable of just as much, if not more, than Bin Laden was. By killing him, the problem has far from been eradicated, but rather exacerbated! Be prepared for a new wave of angry extremists "acting in his name" and "avenging him" - Al-Qaida have already said that Bin Laden's death would be met with nuclear holocaust. Whilst I realise that at the moment this is more than likely just showboating, in the long term, things could turn out pretty damn badly as a result.

I hasten to add that I am not in any way suggesting that I disagree with his murder - like I said earlier, if anyone on this planet deserved to die, it was him. I can also appreciate that people are happy to know that the man responsible for the deaths of so many is finally gone - but to feel any sense of relief about the situation would be naive.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby xtc » Mon May 02, 2011 6:43 am

GentleDom wrote:LONG LIVE THE US ARMY!!!



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Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby dreadnaught3200 » Mon May 02, 2011 10:19 am

Samantha I think you're right, the situation is far from under control. However, tactically speaking this is a major gain.

The thing about Osama Bin Laden was he was a terrorist genius (If there is such a thing), he masterminded more successful terrorist attacks than, possibly, anyone else in history. Now that he's dead not only have they lost their best tactical leader, they've lost a considerable source of income (He was from an unbelievably rich family and took a huge amount with him). Besides, if the terrorists have demonstrated anything it's that they really don't need any excuse to want to destroy the US. 9/11 proved that I think. Before then they had every practical (but not ideological) reason to like the US at that point, considering that many al-Qaeda operatives were at one point Mujahideen fighters back in the Soviet period. The Mujahideen was both armed and trained by the United States under the pretenses of Afghan nationalism (Though in truth they just wanted to bloody the Soviets). Indeed bin Laden himself received CIA training. Which is why in Afghanistan and both operations in Iraq the Americans have found their own weapons turned against them.

The point I'm trying to make is that while al-Qaeda is definitely still alive and ticking, they can only be worse off without bin Laden, without his money, without his charisma and without his leadership. Unfortunately there will be many more terrorists and terrorist attacks, but I think this is definitely a point for the good guys!
There's a permanent tension in music isn't there? On one hand you have three chords, you know, four four and three chords. Then there's the people like me, who say "Well, why don't we add a fourth chord and put it in five four?" - Bill Bruford

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Chris12 » Mon May 02, 2011 1:27 pm

Yes but most Americans think they are actually doing something good down there which can't be said about people like him who only targets innocents

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby SamanthaBoundx » Mon May 02, 2011 2:22 pm

dreadnaught3200 wrote:The point I'm trying to make is that while al-Qaeda is definitely still alive and ticking, they can only be worse off without bin Laden, without his money, without his charisma and without his leadership. Unfortunately there will be many more terrorists and terrorist attacks, but I think this is definitely a point for the good guys!


You raise a very good point, Dreadnaught :) In losing such an integral part of their regime, al-Qaeda are obviously going to suffer.

I think I phrased what I was trying to say in my last post quite poorly xD Having re-read it, it appeared that I was implying that the situation would get significantly worse for the USA (or the western world in general), whereas I think what I was actually trying to say is that I don't believe the killing of Bin Laden will lead to the situation improving at all or at least by any measurable amount.

Essentially, while I can appreciate why his murder was necessary (and in some cases agree with it), I seriously doubt that it will reduce the number of terrorist threats out there.

But then again, maybe I'm just cynical :P

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Jay Feely » Mon May 02, 2011 4:50 pm

aielen wrote:
jay wrote:Just found out he is dead:

He killed 3,000+ in 9/11
He killed 202 in 2002
He killed 15 in 2000
He killed 268 in 1998



The US hs murdered thousands from its illegal invasion of Iraq.


What in your mind tells you that wartime deaths is illegal especially since USA had permission to invade?
You will have to subdue me to restrain me. I been a bad boy so make sure you torture me too with anything but pain.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Fesselfan » Tue May 03, 2011 5:57 am

jay wrote:What in your mind tells you that wartime deaths is illegal especially since USA had permission to invade?

You mean, a war started without an UN resolution to wipe-out fictional, non-existing weapons of mass destruction makes killing people legal?

Cheers

FF
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Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Jay Feely » Tue May 03, 2011 8:20 am

First of, in order to start a war, you need approval, which is what they got.
You will have to subdue me to restrain me. I been a bad boy so make sure you torture me too with anything but pain.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby SamanthaBoundx » Tue May 03, 2011 9:45 am

jay wrote:First of, in order to start a war, you need approval, which is what they got.


Eh, I don't know about that. . .

I mean, granted, they had approval to go to war - you're right on that score - but whether that approval was legitimate is highly debatable. If you look at the standard conventions as to what constitutes as "just" war, there are several criteria that the invasion of Iraq completely failed to meet.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby dreadnaught3200 » Tue May 03, 2011 12:47 pm

SamanthaBoundx wrote: If you look at the standard conventions as to what constitutes as "just" war, there are several criteria that the invasion of Iraq completely failed to meet.


Well, if there is such a thing as a "just" war. Personally I think the term "just" is better replaced by necessary.

The way I feel about the war in Iraq is that yes, it was perfectly legal, from a purely legalistic standpoint. Was it permissible from a moral/ethical standpoint? Maybe. Maybe not. I will say this though: To Fesselfan and other such conscientious objectors, valid though your arguments of course are, I'm fairly certain that if you'd been living in Iraq and you or someone you love had been arrested and held without trial by Saddam's secret police, or tortured by them, or just murdered offhandedly by them as they was so fond of doing... You might be singing a different tune about the American invasion.
There's a permanent tension in music isn't there? On one hand you have three chords, you know, four four and three chords. Then there's the people like me, who say "Well, why don't we add a fourth chord and put it in five four?" - Bill Bruford

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Jay Feely » Tue May 03, 2011 2:00 pm

It had to be done. He showed no remorse for the murder of innocent people. In the spiritual level, God will forgive him. However, that does not change the fact that he killed thousands of people using his followers. He deserves to die. If you told the victim close family, relatives, and friends that he needs to die, they will agree with his death.
You will have to subdue me to restrain me. I been a bad boy so make sure you torture me too with anything but pain.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby SamanthaBoundx » Tue May 03, 2011 3:00 pm

dreadnaught3200 wrote:Well, if there is such a thing as a "just" war. Personally I think the term "just" is better replaced by necessary.


This is why I put "just" in quotation marks xD

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby dreadnaught3200 » Tue May 03, 2011 3:28 pm

Fair enough.
There's a permanent tension in music isn't there? On one hand you have three chords, you know, four four and three chords. Then there's the people like me, who say "Well, why don't we add a fourth chord and put it in five four?" - Bill Bruford

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Tied beauty » Tue May 03, 2011 4:10 pm

Fesselfan wrote:Maybe he died already years ago and was just too usefull for the US to be officially declared dead?

Thats true December 2001 he died

Fesselfan wrote:You mean, a war started without an UN resolution to wipe-out fictional, non-existing weapons of mass destruction makes killing people legal?
1000 Points for you.

They only needed a good reason to make war. If he really died now, then everywhere would be his dead body visable like it was with Saddam Hussein.

They needn't Bin Laden alive because they have now Gadafi as the new dangerous enemy.

They say only a bit bullshit. Maybe only propaganda for Obama that he gets revoted.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Tied beauty » Tue May 03, 2011 4:12 pm

jay wrote:It had to be done. He showed no remorse for the murder of innocent people. In the spiritual level, God will forgive him. However, that does not change the fact that he killed thousands of people using his followers. He deserves to die. If you told the victim close family, relatives, and friends that he needs to die, they will agree with his death.


How do you know that?
It is only Mainstreem shit.

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Tied beauty » Tue May 03, 2011 4:17 pm

jay wrote:Just found out he is dead:

He killed 3,000+ in 9/11
He killed 202 in 2002
He killed 15 in 2000
He killed 268 in 1998


but all those numbers have no proof

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby SamanthaBoundx » Tue May 03, 2011 4:33 pm

Ah, the inevitable token conspiracy theorist has arrived. This should certainly liven up the debate a little xD

Re: The death of Osama Bin Laden

Postby Kyle » Tue May 03, 2011 6:57 pm

Token conspiracy theorist? It seems there's more than one here. And I've seen them on other sites too. A lot of non-Americans in particular almost seem unhappy we got Osama. I'm not really sure why that is considering we're not the only country Al Qaeda has hit, far from it actually.