## Ignored by the media

Post by mikeybound » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:26 am

The video failed to load, but I read the comments...Sometimes, I'm lucky enough to forget that there are so many sick people around us.

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Post by Diminished » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:37 am

Yes that's horible.

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Post by Jack Roper » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:35 pm

Without justifying any of the short, edited videos you found on You Tube, and knowing the circumstances, dates, and events leading up to those 'riots," please read the story below.
Maybe there is some slight provokation for such behavior.
Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 04:19 PM PDT.
Restaurant Asks 25 Black People to Leave Because 1 White Person Feels "Threatened"
byIce BlueFollow .
Remarkable.
Fifty years after Dr. King's I Have a Dream speech this crap's still going on. From Progressive Populist: Blacks Asked to Leave South Carolina Restaurant Because White Customer Felt Threatened. It happened at the Wild Wing Cafe in North Charleston.
Michael Brown was one of those 25 customers. They were there to send off Brown’s cousin, who was leaving the Charleston area. After finally being seated after the two hour wait, the shift manager came to the table and told the group that there was a “situation.”
By "situation" what she meant was one white person didn't like having 25 black people in the same room with him/her. Says Brown:
She (the shift manager) said there’s a situation where one of our customers feels threatened by your party, so she asked us not to seat you in our section, which totally alarmed all of us because we’re sitting there peaceably for two hours. Obviously, if we were causing any conflict, we would have been ejected out of the place hours before.
Brown repeatedly tried to contact their corporate offices. He got no answer.
What's wrong with this tired, old picture? Seriously. Can someone explain this business model to me? It seems it would make more sense to entertain 25 paying customers and throw one miserable old bigot out on their ass. But then, silly me, I don't own a bunch of restaurants.
If you like you can ask Wild Wing Cafe's home office to explain.
UPDATE: SocioSam published a diary on this same topic, only he did it shortly before me. He already called them. This is disastrous for them! You've got to go read it yourselves: Wild Wings Foul Service.
Originally posted to Ice Blue on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 04:19 PM PDT.
And then there is this story: http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp? ... 2BtYHUeRT4

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Post by drawscore » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:47 pm

And I wonder if Chris Lane, the Australian baseball player, shot dead by a pair of black thugs, felt threatened. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... olice-say/ Or maybe he didn't have time, considering he was shot in the back by a couple of cowards who felt "bored," and "wanted to see someone die."
Or the 18 month old toddler, shot in the face in Georgia, by another pair of black thugs. I guess he was too young to feel threatened. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/spec ... fault.aspx
How about the white couple brutally raped and murdered by five more black thugs in Tennessee? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of ... her_Newsom
But, to you, I guess these aren't "racist" or "hate" crimes.
I tell you what: I'm damn glad I have a concealed carry permit, and considering the propensity for violence in black youth, as illustrated by the three cited incidents, I will not be afraid to pull and use my weapon if I feel threatened by a gang of black youths. I'm too damn old to take an ass kicking, and far too young to die, and I'd much rather be judged by 12, than carried by six.
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Post by mikeybound » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:18 pm

And I suppose we're cherry picking now? It wasn't blacks who beat Matthew Shepard to death, or shot up Columbine. It's not just ethnic groups who are thugs and murderers, or who trade drugs. Exactly how many cases like the Wild Wings Cafe incident happen compared to actual threats? Anyone is capable of this stuff. Making it about race masks the real problems.
Now drawscore? Please try to avoid the misunderstanding that African Americans are a risk group. Talk like that only aggravates the "race war" brewing, and is better left unsaid.

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Post by Jack Roper » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:13 pm

Drawscore seems to be riled up as usual. I am absolutely certain that such articles could be pulled up all day long on every race, income, religious belief, nationality, etc.
Microcosmic evaluation is always problematic, and probably a macrocosmic overview is best. To that end, for those of you willing to spend a few minutes reading a rather long article, here is former Supreme Court Justice William Brennan's review of a recent book on the history of the Voting Rights Act in America, going back to the Revolution, the drafting of the Constitution, slavery, the Civil War, the Amendments protecting blacks after that brutal conflict, the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and other extreme racist groups designed to enforce segregation over the next 100 years, and finally the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the recent Court decision unwisely striking down a key provision of that Act.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archive ... e-dissent/
To say that blacks have suffered in this country since slavery would be an understatement that even someone as blind as Drawscore might dimly see.
Or maybe not.

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Post by drawscore » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:46 am

> mikeybound wrote:And I suppose we're cherry picking now? It wasn't blacks who beat Matthew Shepard to death, or shot up Columbine. It's not just ethnic groups who are thugs and murderers, or who trade drugs. Exactly how many cases like the Wild Wings Cafe incident happen compared to actual threats? Anyone is capable of this stuff. Making it about race masks the real problems.
> Now drawscore? Please try to avoid the misunderstanding that African Americans are a risk group. Talk like that only aggravates the "race war" brewing, and is better left unsaid.

The Matthew Shepard case was a tragedy, but right around the same time, there was another death, that of 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising. Never heard of him? I thought not.
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Post by mikeybound » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:54 pm

> drawscore wrote:

> > mikeybound wrote:And I suppose we're cherry picking now? It wasn't blacks who beat Matthew Shepard to death, or shot up Columbine. It's not just ethnic groups who are thugs and murderers, or who trade drugs. Exactly how many cases like the Wild Wings Cafe incident happen compared to actual threats? Anyone is capable of this stuff. Making it about race masks the real problems.
> > Now drawscore? Please try to avoid the misunderstanding that African Americans are a risk group. Talk like that only aggravates the "race war" brewing, and is better left unsaid.

> The Matthew Shepard case was a tragedy, but right around the same time, there was another death, that of 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising. Never heard of him? I thought not.
> Drawscore

Let me guess. The killer was black? So do you think it was a bigger tragedy because of that? I don't know what you have against African Americans, but this type of talk should've died out decades ago. The colonial era and all it's racially bigoted glory is waiting for you the moment someone figures out time travel.

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Post by Kyle » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:50 pm

And now we begin the game of "Who is More Racist?" a game where there are no winners, only losers all around, and stupidity reigns supreme.

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Post by drawscore » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:41 am

>>>Let me guess. The killer was black? So do you think it was a bigger tragedy because of that? I don't know what you have against African Americans, but this type of talk should've died out decades ago. The colonial era and all it's racially bigoted glory is waiting for you the moment someone figures out time travel.<<<
Actually, the killers were white. But if you had googled the name and looked up the information, you would have learned that, instead of making an assumption.
The point is, that the media has their "protected classes." If members of these classes commit crimes where the victim is not a member of the medias' favored classes, it gets swept under the rug. But when a member of an unprotected class victimizes a protected class member, it's splashed all over the headlines for the next six weeks.
Crime is crime, and the same (or similar) crimes deserves the same attention, no matter who commits it - man, woman; gay, straight; black, white, red, yellow; citizen, illegal, etc., etc., etc.
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Post by mikeybound » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:09 pm

So you're simply saying that either all crimes should be reported equally, or people should take the initiative to research them?
Well now I feel like a proper ass.

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Post by drawscore » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:38 am

I'm saying that crimes of a similar nature, such as a black on white crime, (Chris Lane) should be treated the same, and reported in the same way, as the media circus we had when the crime was perceived to be white on black (Trayvon Martin).
After all, we are a nation founded on "Equal justice under law." Unfortunately, many in the media and elsewhere, feel that some need or deserve more or better justice than others. That is NOT equal justice under law.
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Post by ProfessorRemnant » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:19 am

Alright..Well, here's my stance...
The media goes for the stories that puts butts in seats. Why do you think Miley Cyrus twerking gets spot time on the morning news, over the many more dire and important stories in the world? Because they know that's the kind of three ring circus that amuses people and gets them to watch.
But to be honest...I don't care if the media reports or lets me know about something bad that happened somewhere else. As long as the case was handled and taken care of properly, that's what I care about. Why do I need to know about it or care?
There was a shooting in such and such. Okay, did they catch the guy? Yes? Fine, we can get on with our day.

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Post by mikeybound » Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:25 pm

> george1909 wrote:why did we bring this misery on our own countries for? our kids and grandchildren will be cursing us for producing such a society

Funny. That's what I'm doing right now.

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Post by mikeybound » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:30 pm

> george1909 wrote:Man your positively hostile my great great grandparents left the new world in 1757 for im Irish part mohawk Indian

Not your great great grandparents. Just the ones responsible for racism and bigotry. A lot of races had a hand in that.

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Post by misterg792000 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:58 pm

> drawscore wrote:I'm saying that crimes of a similar nature, such as a black on white crime, (Chris Lane) should be treated the same, and reported in the same way, as the media circus we had when the crime was perceived to be white on black (Trayvon Martin).

Chris Lane's killing: police treated it as a crime, immediately began investigating, and arrested those responsible.
Trayvon Martin's killing: police did not treat it as a crime, did not detain the person responsible, did not investigate.
Gee, I wonder why they were reported differently. When will they understand the hardship and adversity facing white males?!?

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Post by xtc » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:39 pm

> george1909 wrote:Man your positively hostile my great great grandparents left the new world in 1757 for im Irish part mohawk Indian

Were they also semi-literate? In the quoted post there are minimally nine errors. How much credence do you expect readers to give to your opinions if you seem to be only semi-educated?
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Jason Toddman has a much better one but he's obviously too polite to post it.
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Post by Mister Mistoffelees » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:51 pm

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As for george here...

> Im sorry but i dont mean to be racist

And then promptly serves up the same kind of utter crapola the White Power movement has been dishing up for at least the last thirty years. There's really nothing more I can post without getting myself banned for the language I'd use...
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Post by xtc » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:57 pm

Hi my friend,
I haven't come across you on DA before. What a good job there's at least on positive outcome from all this fucking crap. (Ooops! was that the sort of language you meant?)
Boxer shorts are cool,
but little speedos rule!
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Post by Mister Mistoffelees » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:03 pm

Quick! To the edit button, Robin!
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Post by drawscore » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:33 pm

>>>Chris Lane's killing: police treated it as a crime, immediately began investigating, and arrested those responsible.<<<
True enough. Of course, the perps ran from the scene, and had to be hunted down and arrested.
>>>Trayvon Martin's killing: police did not treat it as a crime, did not detain the person responsible, did not investigate.<<<
The police did not treat it as a crime, and did not initially arrest Zimmerman, because, in their eyes, it was a case of self defense. Zimmerman DID NOT run from the scene. Only after the race pimps, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, started raising hell, and NBC News aired an edited 911 call from Zimmerman, was he arrested. (Zimmerman is suing NBC over their "selective editing," and I hope he wins big.)
>>>Gee, I wonder why they were reported differently. When will they understand the hardship and adversity facing white males?!?<<<
You mean like portraying Trayvon Martin as this innocent teenager, while making Zimmerman out to be a racist thug?
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Post by misterg792000 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:18 pm

> drawscore wrote:You mean like portraying Trayvon Martin as this innocent teenager, while making Zimmerman out to be a racist thug?

Unarmed teenagers killed by Trayvon Martin: 0
Unarmed teenagers killed by George Zimmerman: 1
Please, tell us more about how Martin was the guilty party here.

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Post by drawscore » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:31 am

You're buying in to the media bullshit. What wasn't reported, was that Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle, and was blindsided by Martin, who then banged Zimmerman's head into the pavement several times, attempting to kill, or at least, severely injure him. The police initially determined that Zimmerman acted in self defense, and despite all the screeching and race baiting by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, the jury trying the case reached the same conclusion.
Also not reported, or under reported, was Martin's reason for being in Sanford, FL, about 200 miles from his home in south Florida: He had been suspended from school, and sent by his mother to spend that suspension at his father's home. He was far from the "innocent teenager" you, and the media, make him out to be. In actuality, he was a thug wannabe, judging from what he put up on his Facebook page.
Being suspended from school is not deserving of death, but the attempt to inflict death or "great bodily harm" on another, does confer upon the victim - Zimmerman - the right to defend himself. Martin's death is unfortunate, but had he and his parents made different choices, he might never have crossed paths with Zimmerman, and might still be alive today, instead of in a box, six feet under ground.
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Post by misterg792000 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:21 am

> drawscore wrote:You're buying in to the media bullshit.

Tell me one false thing in my post.

> drawscore wrote:What wasn't reported, was that Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle, and was blindsided by Martin, who then banged Zimmerman's head into the pavement several times, attempting to kill, or at least, severely injure him.

....according to Zimmerman and Zimmerman alone. Not the most reliable of witnesses in this case, is he?

> drawscore wrote:The police initially determined that Zimmerman acted in self defense, and despite all the screeching and race baiting by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, the jury trying the case reached the same conclusion.

1. It's only "race-baiting" when you tell white people something they don't want to hear
2. The jury did not reach the same conclusion; the jury found him not guilty of second degree murder. An important distinction; had the charge been manslaughter, that case would have concluded in a much different fashion.

> drawscore wrote:Also not reported, or under reported, was Martin's reason for being in Sanford, FL, about 200 miles from his home in south Florida: He had been suspended from school, and sent by his mother to spend that suspension at his father's home. He was far from the "innocent teenager" you, and the media, make him out to be. In actuality, he was a thug wannabe, judging from what he put up on his Facebook page.

Yeah, that certainly means he deserves to be shot. It's also completely irrelevant information that has no bearing on what happened that night whatsoever, unless you're eager to blow the ol' dogwhistle.

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Post by Mister Mistoffelees » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:56 pm

Look, I can live with a verdict that essentially states that the prosecution didn't make its case. They sure as sheol didn't try very hard, after all, and a jury can only go with what is presented to it. What galls me is the subsequent agenda to cast George Zimmerman in the role of Great American Hero and Trayvon Martin into a Gang-Banging Thug(tm).
Drawscore, here's the thing; you seem to be upset that certain elements have sold a narrative that Trayvon Martin was a blushing innocent. Fair enough; the truth seems to be that Martin was an average kid with plenty of warts to his nature, like most teenagers. But to defend Zimmerman, you yourself are selling a narrative; George Zimmerman as the Put-Upon Victim. The only evidence you have to back that up is Zimmerman's own narrative, something which cannot reasonably be considered unbiased. He was on trial for murder, after all, and told a story designed to lessen his culpability, as most defendants would. We cannot test the truth of his story, because there is nothing probative to either confirm or negate his narrative. The jury, with nothing else to consider, cannot convict, therefore he is declared not guilty. But that is a far cry from being an innocent Hero(tm). And the campaign before, during, and after the trial to smear Martin as some kind of gang-banger (with no evidence of that beyond a Facebook page, which as everyone knows is NEVER embellished /sarc) is particularly odious to me. He is not alive to defend against such a narrative sales job as is being perpetrated against him, especially with NO EVIDENCE other than that provided by the man who killed him, and pictures and FB entries which show a typically rambunctious teenager. I'd be a lot more comfortable with the case if there had not been such a coordinated effort to make Zimmerman a hero and Martin a villain...
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Post by mikeybound » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:03 pm

In theory, the Zimmerman case could've been a perfect murder. Just think about if you had a beef with someone in Florida. Set up a confrontation, and the law itself protects you for killing them.

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Post by drawscore » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:30 pm

What has been presented, that contradicts Zimmerman's account? NOTHING!! At least one witness said that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, raining blows on him. If you and anyone else, wants to believe that Martin was the "innocent teenager" that the media and his parents and lawyers portrayed his as, fine. Believe what you want. I don't care. The truth of the matter, is that he was a thug, who blindsided Zimmerman, and pounded his head into the pavement. Zimmerman defended himself. Court/jury found him "Not Guilty." End of story.
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Post by drawscore » Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:32 pm

> mikeybound wrote:In theory, the Zimmerman case could've been a perfect murder. Just think about if you had a beef with someone in Florida. Set up a confrontation, and the law itself protects you for killing them.

If you really believe that, I have a couple of bridges for sale.
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Post by mikeybound » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:07 pm

> drawscore wrote:What has been presented, that contradicts Zimmerman's account? NOTHING!! At least one witness said that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, raining blows on him. If you and anyone else, wants to believe that Martin was the "innocent teenager" that the media and his parents and lawyers portrayed his as, fine. Believe what you want. I don't care. The truth of the matter, is that he was a thug, who blindsided Zimmerman, and pounded his head into the pavement. Zimmerman defended himself. Court/jury found him "Not Guilty." End of story.
> Drawscore

Who wants to play "How Zimmerman could've handled that without lethal force".
1. Tazer
2. Mace
3. Basic self defense training
4. Patrol with a partner or group
There are probably more ways I'm not thinking of right now, but I trust my point is made. These are practical measures anyone in a neighborhood watch for a bad neighborhood should have, but he went out alone with a gun. Exactly what was Zimmerman expecting to do if there was a problem?
As for Martin, he was not an innocent. He committed aggravated assult. Of course, if he actually survived to court, he'd probably receive 5 years and a $5,000 fine at most, and not lethal injection.

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Post by drawscore » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:42 am

> mikeybound wrote:Who wants to play "How Zimmerman could've handled that without lethal force".
> 1. Tazer
> 2. Mace
> 3. Basic self defense training
> 4. Patrol with a partner or group
> There are probably more ways I'm not thinking of right now, but I trust my point is made. These are practical measures anyone in a neighborhood watch for a bad neighborhood should have, but he went out alone with a gun. Exactly what was Zimmerman expecting to do if there was a problem?
> As for Martin, he was not an innocent. He committed aggravated assult. Of course, if he actually survived to court, he'd probably receive 5 years and a $5,000 fine at most, and not lethal injection.

Perhaps so, but Zimmerman wasn't carrying a tazer or mace. And, as a neighborhood watch captain, he undoubtedly did have some training in non lethal martial arts. As for a partner, most neighborhood watch members patrol singularly, but usually have radio contact with their HQ, or with the police. And, if you remember, prior to the shooting, he DID call 911. However, when someone is on top of you, beating your head into the pavement, the instinct for self-preservation takes over, and you don't think, you act. You go with what you got, and Zimmerman went with a 9mm pistol.
Next, I don't believe Zimmerman was anticipating, or looking for, trouble that night, but, by carrying a weapon, he was ready in case there was any.
Third, the neighborhood wasn't a particularly "bad" neighborhood. After all, it WAS a gated community, but it had been beset by burglaries by people from outside the community/neighborhood.
Yes, the death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy. It should not have happened, and would not have happened if Martin had not chosen to violate school rules and gotten suspended, and had his mother not chosen to send him to stay with his father. Then again, if the iceberg had been spotted 5-10 seconds earlier, or, had the Titanic hit it head on, instead of grazing it, the ship might not have sunk. Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.
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