NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby gracethedamsel » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:17 am

My deepest condolences to the ones that were affected by this disturbing attack in New York City yesterday as I visit New York and its my favorite city.

What I don't get is that why the Las Vegas Massacre that took place last month was not considered a terrorist attack. This incident was much worst than this recent attack. I do not know if religion has something to do with this Las Vegas Massacre though.

What do you guys think?

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby 31acujoker » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:15 am

Well the definition of terrorism is the use of violence to spread terror in pursuit of a political agenda.

As far as we can tell the Las Vegas shooter had no political cause he was trying to further with his actions, therefore by definition he's a mass murderer and 'technically' not a terrorist.

Hope that answers your question :)
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Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby gracethedamsel » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:56 am

31acujoker wrote:Well the definition of terrorism is the use of violence to spread terror in pursuit of a political agenda.

As far as we can tell the Las Vegas shooter had no political cause he was trying to further with his actions, therefore by definition he's a mass murderer and 'technically' not a terrorist.

Hope that answers your question :)


Its a good answer but usually terrorism is as well related to religion and conspiracy to hate other people with different culture or an act of revenge or something. However, i find it pretty unfair for the Las Vegas massacre to be not considered a terrorist attack cause I am sure this shooter had some violence agenda to a point. I don't know if i am making any sense lol

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Rachel M » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:54 am

A better question is why this attack was an outrage, yet the last terrorist attack using a vehicle had "very fine people" involved.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby gaggednbarefoot » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:31 pm

gracethedamsel wrote:
31acujoker wrote:Well the definition of terrorism is the use of violence to spread terror in pursuit of a political agenda.

As far as we can tell the Las Vegas shooter had no political cause he was trying to further with his actions, therefore by definition he's a mass murderer and 'technically' not a terrorist.

Hope that answers your question :)


Its a good answer but usually terrorism is as well related to religion and conspiracy to hate other people with different culture or an act of revenge or something. However, i find it pretty unfair for the Las Vegas massacre to be not considered a terrorist attack cause I am sure this shooter had some violence agenda to a point. I don't know if i am making any sense lol


Religion is not a pre-requisite for terrorism. Basque separatists had no religiois goal, Red Army Faction, Barder-Meinhof

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Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Mr Irony » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:50 pm

Rachel M wrote:A better question is why this attack was an outrage, yet the last terrorist attack using a vehicle had "very fine people" involved.


If you are referring to the events in Charlottesville, it's because that wasn't a terrorist attack. The perpetrator was not even charged with First Degree Murder. He acted out of rage when counter-protestors attempted to violently disrupt an event he was part of. That is very different than planning and carrying out a remeditated mass slaughter of innocent individuals who have done nothing to you whatsoever as happened in New York and elsewhere.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Rachel M » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:24 am

Mr Irony wrote:
Rachel M wrote:A better question is why this attack was an outrage, yet the last terrorist attack using a vehicle had "very fine people" involved.


If you are referring to the events in Charlottesville, it's because that wasn't a terrorist attack. The perpetrator was not even charged with First Degree Murder. He acted out of rage when counter-protestors attempted to violently disrupt an event he was part of. That is very different than planning and carrying out a remeditated mass slaughter of innocent individuals who have done nothing to you whatsoever as happened in New York and elsewhere.


ahahaha, that's adorable. "Individuals who have done nothing to you whatsoever", as opposed to the crowd a Nazi (many of whom are apparently "very fine people") drove into who apparently were just begging for it. What is it about you Breitbart types that make you completely weak in the knees where Nazis are involved?

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby xtc » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:07 am

?remediated? Is that supposed to be premeditated?

I presume Mr Irony is simply trying to live up to his name.
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Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Mr Irony » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:52 pm

Rachel M wrote:
ahahaha, that's adorable. "Individuals who have done nothing to you whatsoever", as opposed to the crowd a Nazi (many of whom are apparently "very fine people") drove into who apparently were just begging for it. What is it about you Breitbart types that make you completely weak in the knees where Nazis are involved?


"Begging for it"? No, they weren't begging for it but when you start a physical altercation with someone things can rapidly spin out of control which is what happened in that case. Best to let people demonstrate peacefully regardless of their message and not try to shut them down. Do you disagree with that?

Anyway, the law enforcement professionals including the Charlottesville Police Chief and the District Attorney agree with my interpretation of the facts not yours. Or maybe they are in on the conspiracy. :?:

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Rachel M » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:29 pm

Strange that the only people accusing those run down of "starting a physical altercation" are the white supremacist-friendly rags like Breitbart and their ilk. Nice attempt to gaslight with the "conspiracy" angle though, it makes a nice deflection from your attempt to handwave away a Nazi running people over intentionally.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby drawscore » Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:58 am

The only thing a terrorist understands, is terror. and while it goes against everything in which I believe, I have come to the realization, that if we are to stop these attacks, we must use the same, or a greater level of brutality on them, and treat their bodies with disdain and contempt.

Bury them with bacon in their mouths, and their asses pointed toward Mecca, or just kicked into a pit of pig carcasses. Film it, and send it to al-Jazzera.

Brutal? Yes. But if you fight fire with fire, you fight terror with terror.

So ask yourself this: "Would you prefer these animals responsible for Las Vegas and New York be executed, or for them to live out their lives with "three hots and a cot" at taxpayer expense?" (Which they will probably do anyway, because our justice system moves at a snail's pace, and even if they are sentenced to death, it'll be another 20-30 years before the execution is carried out.)

Drawcore.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby BoundJana » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:06 am

drawscore wrote:The only thing a terrorist understands, is terror. and while it goes against everything in which I believe, I have come to the realization, that if we are to stop these attacks, we must use the same, or a greater level of brutality on them, and treat their bodies with disdain and contempt.

Bury them with bacon in their mouths, and their asses pointed toward Mecca, or just kicked into a pit of pig carcasses. Film it, and send it to al-Jazzera.

Brutal? Yes. But if you fight fire with fire, you fight terror with terror.

So ask yourself this: "Would you prefer these animals responsible for Las Vegas and New York be executed, or for them to live out their lives with "three hots and a cot" at taxpayer expense?"

Drawcore.

That's exactly what doesn't work, showing how you brutalize corpses or captive terrorists will only motivate others to follow in their footsteps, because they now see a reason why they attack you.
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Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby xtc » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:12 am

BounJana is absolutely correct.

Such behaviour also brings the prepretators down to a level below contemptible. It's almost like a sick version of "all the other kids do it".
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Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Rachel M » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:34 am

BoundJana wrote:That's exactly what doesn't work, showing how you brutalize corpses or captive terrorists will only motivate others to follow in their footsteps, because they now see a reason why they attack you.


You're wasting your time, he posts this little bloodlust fantasy (including the dumb obsession with pork that reveals he's never met or spoken to a muslim in his life) every so often. The fact that he's sat there and fantasized about desecrating a corpse tells you all you need to know about him.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby drawscore » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:13 pm

There is the story about John J. Pershing (or Arthur MacArthur) who, while serving as the governor of the Philippines, was having a problem with Muslim radicals. 50 of them were caught, and 49 of them were shot, and buried with pigs. The 50th was released, to go and tell the other radicals what he had seen. Following that incident, there were no more problems with radical Muslims.

If it worked in the late 1800's or early 1900's, there is no reason to believe that it would not work today. The theory, is that since Muslims believe that pigs are "unclean," then dying with one, or being buried with one, will deny them entry into heaven, and they will not get their 72 virgins. This scares the hell out of devout Muslims, who want to impose Sharia law.

Drawscore

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Rachel M » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:32 pm

You mean the story you post every couple of months despite it being completely, utterly, unquestionably false?

News flash, idiot: the Koran only prohibits eating pork, and even then makes exceptions (if refusing the meat would make you a rude guest it allows it, even). Maybe if you actually made some effort to learn about the world around you instead of coming here to post everything you see on your Facebook wall you would know that.

Oooh, I know! We'll discourage white christian terrorism by burying them with oysters and dressed in mixed fabrics! Leviticus says they hate that!

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby BoundJana » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:49 pm

Rachel M wrote:You mean the story you post every couple of months despite it being completely, utterly, unquestionably false?

News flash, idiot: the Koran only prohibits eating pork, and even then makes exceptions (if refusing the meat would make you a rude guest it allows it, even). Maybe if you actually made some effort to learn about the world around you instead of coming here to post everything you see on your Facebook wall you would know that.

Oooh, I know! We'll discourage white christian terrorism by burying them with oysters and dressed in mixed fabrics! Leviticus says they hate that!

I wasn't even surprised that drawscore again came up with something that was said by Trump and was proofen to be wrong.
But just wait, drawscore will inform us soon that that's all leftist Media and fake news which were all paid by Obama to make Trump stand in a bad light to make sure Clinton would win.
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Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Mr Irony » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:13 pm

Rachel M wrote:Strange that the only people accusing those run down of "starting a physical altercation" are the white supremacist-friendly rags like Breitbart and their ilk. Nice attempt to gaslight with the "conspiracy" angle though, it makes a nice deflection from your attempt to handwave away a Nazi running people over intentionally.


Well here's some of the raw footage posted by CNN. I take it you trust them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv7hIVXKFQ

It clearly shows numerous counter protesters engaged in violence. People can watch this and make up there own minds about who "started" things but it's obvious from the video, the counter protesters were not out for a Saturday stroll.

And I don't hand wave away the actions of the man in the car. He was rightfully charged with second degree murder which is non-premeditated murder which is not terrorism as you suggested it was. That's why people aren't calling it a terrorist attack. Now you have the answer to your question.

And once again the professional law enforcement agents in the city including the DA and the Chief of Police agree with my interpretation of the facts and not yours.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Mr Irony » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:22 pm

Rachel M wrote:Strange that the only people accusing those run down of "starting a physical altercation" are the white supremacist-friendly rags like Breitbart and their ilk.


Here's a great article by the LA Times, hardly a right wing site, offering multiple perspectives on the events that happened.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cha ... story.html

It's very clear from these accounts that the counter protesters showed up to create havoc and once you do that you never know how things will turn out. Most often though it's quite bad as it was in this case.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Rachel M » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:35 am

Mr Irony wrote:
Rachel M wrote:Strange that the only people accusing those run down of "starting a physical altercation" are the white supremacist-friendly rags like Breitbart and their ilk. Nice attempt to gaslight with the "conspiracy" angle though, it makes a nice deflection from your attempt to handwave away a Nazi running people over intentionally.


Well here's some of the raw footage posted by CNN. I take it you trust them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUv7hIVXKFQ


Given that it's one of the neo-Nazis shitheads charging in from stage right and instigating, it's hardly making you look any saner.

Mr Irony wrote:
Rachel M wrote:Strange that the only people accusing those run down of "starting a physical altercation" are the white supremacist-friendly rags like Breitbart and their ilk.


Here's a great article by the LA Times, hardly a right wing site, offering multiple perspectives on the events that happened.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cha ... story.html

It's very clear from these accounts that the counter protesters showed up to create havoc and once you do that you never know how things will turn out. Most often though it's quite bad as it was in this case.


...and again, the only people buttressing your claims are - coincidentally, I'm sure - far right bloggers. Weird that you're picking "defending Nazis and neo-Confederates" as a hill to die on.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Mr Irony » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:58 pm

Rachel M wrote:...and again, the only people buttressing your claims are - coincidentally, I'm sure - far right bloggers. Weird that you're picking "defending Nazis and neo-Confederates" as a hill to die on.


Well also there's also New York Times reporter Sheryl Stolberg who reported live from the events:

https://twitter.com/sherylnyt/status/89 ... 00?lang=en

and the Charlottesville Chief of Police who himself is an African American

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19708/cha ... frank-camp

And of course the District Attorney who only charged the perpetrator with only second degree murder.

If you can watch that video and read those descriptions and still believe that the protesters were non-confrontational and were no different than the people who were out riding their bikes in New York City who were run down by an actual ISIS terrorist then I'll just leave it to others to determine your credibility.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Rachel M » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:33 pm

Mr Irony wrote:If you can watch that video and read those descriptions and still believe that the protesters were non-confrontational and were no different than the people who were out riding their bikes in New York City who were run down by an actual ISIS terrorist then I'll just leave it to others to determine your credibility.


Are you ever going to get it through that thick skull of yours that being "confrontational" or not has nothing to do with THE ACT OF INTENTIONALLY DRIVING INTO A CROWD TO KILL OR MAIM, or are you just going to keep frantically flailing to defend your Nazi pals and justify it beyond all reason?

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Mr Irony » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:48 pm

Rachel M wrote:Are you ever going to get it through that thick skull of yours that being "confrontational" or not has nothing to do with THE ACT OF INTENTIONALLY DRIVING INTO A CROWD TO KILL OR MAIM, or are you just going to keep frantically flailing to defend your Nazi pals and justify it beyond all reason?


Well it has everything to do with whether the individual is a terrorist or not. Your original question was why was Charlottesville not considered a terrorist attack. The answer is that it was a non-premeditated murder largely motivated by circumstances. No one is defending him, just pointing out that he did not target a random group of individuals like so many Islamic terrorists do.

That's the difference.

Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Kidnapable82 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:17 pm

While Charlottesville was such a sad scene, it was not a terrorist attack. Las Vegas was a terror attack and premeditated, because apparently he had planned this out for weeks, if not months, and he bought and had weapons.

Charlottesville is a bit different. Someone had rage in them about the protests and decided then and there to take a car and run people over. But I doubt it was something he had in his mind for days, it was rage.

Either way, it's wrong regardless.

Mr Irony wrote:
Rachel M wrote:Are you ever going to get it through that thick skull of yours that being "confrontational" or not has nothing to do with THE ACT OF INTENTIONALLY DRIVING INTO A CROWD TO KILL OR MAIM, or are you just going to keep frantically flailing to defend your Nazi pals and justify it beyond all reason?


Well it has everything to do with whether the individual is a terrorist or not. Your original question was why was Charlottesville not considered a terrorist attack. The answer is that it was a non-premeditated murder largely motivated by circumstances. No one is defending him, just pointing out that he did not target a random group of individuals like so many Islamic terrorists do.

That's the difference.
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Re: NYC Terror Attack and Las Vegas Massacre

Postby Rachel M » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:03 am

Mr Irony wrote:
Rachel M wrote:Are you ever going to get it through that thick skull of yours that being "confrontational" or not has nothing to do with THE ACT OF INTENTIONALLY DRIVING INTO A CROWD TO KILL OR MAIM, or are you just going to keep frantically flailing to defend your Nazi pals and justify it beyond all reason?


Well it has everything to do with whether the individual is a terrorist or not. Your original question was why was Charlottesville not considered a terrorist attack.


No, it wasn't. Work on your reading comprehension, you "very fine person", and save your pedantry and goalpost-moving.