Jason Toddman wrote:One more reason to elect Bernie Sanders; he would make such a change as soon as possible. Hillary would take her sweet time about it if she bothered to do it at all. Cruz would double down on this bill and make it the law in all fifty states... and make it apply to Muslims and Hispanics too if he could. What Trump would do would be anyone's guess - that man doesn't have a clue about literally anything - but he likely wouldn't change things for the better. Any other GOP candidate would, at best, do nothing at all. Only Sanders would seek to do the right thing on this matter and not stop until the change was made.
SolidSnickerdoodle wrote: And I'm not one to hop aboard the "Thanks Obama" train, but you should vote for somebody because you agree with their ideals, not because they are a minority.
xtc wrote:Hang on; since when are females a minority?
Shurely shome mishtake?
Jason Toddman wrote:Now, if it were Elizabeth Warren we were discussing, I'd be totally on board with the idea of the next president being a woman. She is much more progressive than Hillary ever even thought of being.
Jason Toddman wrote:Yes, i completely agree. Unfortunately, it's not terribly likely unless Hillary makes a major blunder even she can't sweep under the rug. The way things are going, she might actually lose to Drumpf - something I doubt would be the case if Bernie was the Democratic nominee. It's getting so that way oo many people would rather vote for trump or just stay home rather than vote for her, even though despite her many major flaws she is a much saner candidate than Drumpf.
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SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:Jason Toddman wrote:Yes, i completely agree. Unfortunately, it's not terribly likely unless Hillary makes a major blunder even she can't sweep under the rug. The way things are going, she might actually lose to Drumpf - something I doubt would be the case if Bernie was the Democratic nominee. It's getting so that way oo many people would rather vote for trump or just stay home rather than vote for her, even though despite her many major flaws she is a much saner candidate than Drumpf.
I think the question a lot of people are having to ask themselves is who they hate less: Hillary or Drumpf.
On the one side, we have Drumpf, who incites violence like it's his job and has said phrases such as "I could walk out into Times Square, shoot somebody, and not lose a single voter". The man is a class A political joke, has made countless offensive remarks to women, oversimplifies immigration, and lacks any sort of professionalism that is supposed to come with a president. I honestly can't believe he's made it this far.
But, Hillary also has a trail of lies and deceit that follows her all the way up to the podium, with this email scandal only being the most recent case. If you'll remember she also used her visit to civil war-torn Bosnia for her own political gain, saying things like "We came in under sniper fire and had to run to our cars. There was no welcoming ceremony." Meanwhile, there is video evidence of her stepping off her plane, shaking hands, and kissing children on the tarmac. And that's just one example; lord knows there's more.
So, do you want somebody who will almost certainly screw something up during his presidency, mot likely by leading the delicate practices of diplomacy into a flaming tailspin. Or do you want somebody who has lied her way to the top, cares nothing for the middle class or minorities she claims to stand for, takes money from and owes favors to Wall Street (while claiming she's still taking a stand against them), and will most likely make another mistake that will lead to her impeachment?
I don't know, man. This is a match up in hell and I don't want either of them. But, at least for me anyway, the issue is not as black and white as it once was. I hold them both on pretty equal grounds of discontent.
Chris12 wrote: Can't say I envy any nation with those two as the only option for leadership but on paper at least I'd say Hillary is the better candidate by far.
Chris12 wrote:A vote for Hillary is a vote for the status quo which many are dissatisfied with. Can't really fault them for that but in a time where crisis after crisis is piling up for the west I'd take that over wild experiments with populist oafs.
SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:I don't know if I'd equate her with the status quo.
There's already so much corruption and conspiracy surrounding her, more so than what I would assume is the norm (I'm only 18 so I have so past election experiences to draw on).
SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:No matter what happens, come election day I'm going to vote for him.
Jason Toddman wrote:Sadly I agree with Wataru14. If Bernie is reduced to being a write-in candidate I'll likely either not vote at all unless the results are too close to call in my state or trump is the favorite. If Hillary is strongly favored, i probably won't even bother to vote.