enough is enough Manchester United

Postby viking » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:10 am

everybody who has a any interest in football (soccer) has a relationship to Manchseter United.
either you hate them, or you love them.

Manchester United is a legendary club, with a legendary manager, legendary history and also plays amazingly beautiful football. so how come so many finds them uneatable? here are some of the reasons:

only in good times.
Man U is the team for those are less interested in football, less IQ, and only cheers for their favorite team when they are winning. the teams triumph is met with a big applause while the missing success is met with silence. is the majority really fans if they don't give a damn when losing?
i'm not saying that all the fans of Man U are idiots, but every idiot cheers for Man U.

Once again
Ferguson delivers a complain to the FA. the same FA that that seems to have two sets of rules, one for United and one for every other team. the same FA that are selecting the judges for the United matches that appears to have neither glasses or watches. the team that haven't received a mistakenly penalty in 20 years is also complaining to the association that gives them this benefit.

EVEN WORSE
is that it's not just the association that seems to be filled with closet devils same goes for the media. the TV gladly airs an already qualified United in Champions League instead of a match where some team has a reason why they are playing, and it's not as "interesting" to listen to a reporter commenting their favorite team. even though this massive support, they are still managing to boycott big parts of the British media, and refuses several journalists to be at the press conferences.

BUT THE ABSOLUTELY WORST
the most frustrating about them is the fact that Manchester United are so FREAKING GREAT on the field. they can pick out the most mentally handicapped empty bags from the lowest shelf and make them look like 1st class players. they can play like drunk baboons for 85 minutes straight and still win the match. of course this is a rare thing as they usually are playing world-class football with a goal regularly so pretty that you have to bite your own arm of to avoid clapping.

that's why
it is so sad that Manchester United is such an tasteless team. they are good enough to make it without the help from the judge, they are so rich they don't need all the retarded pretend supporters, and they are so highly respected that they don't need to boycott the media.
still they do all of this with a mean grin.

fortunately
this won't last forever. Ferguson is not getting younger and the poor fellow that has to take over when he leaves will be met with HIGH expectation from a different world.
we can only hope that one day the season arrives when this hegemony stops.
it will be lovely!
but at the same time sad...

after all it is really hard to find a worthy opponent.
Once a scout, always a perverted pyromaniac with a fetish for knives and duct tape

Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby drawscore » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:52 am

Isn't ManU owned by the same people that own an NFL franchise in the US?

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Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby Reidy » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:16 am

I think many have little time for them because of the glory supporting element of their fans. People with no real connection to them, who jumped on the bandwagon in the mid nineties when they were starting to become more successful.



Also, despite how much you may dislike Ferguson, you can't argue with his record. He is a winner.

Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby Kyle » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:41 am

drawscore wrote:Isn't ManU owned by the same people that own an NFL franchise in the US?

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Yeah, he owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Incidentally, the Buccaneers have been terrible (barring one or two mediocre seasons) ever since he bought that soccer team.

Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby Games_Bond » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:01 am

I realise that being a Manchester United fan is about as socially acceptable as tax dodging or taking a leak in someone's letter box, but having followed Manchester United since the age of 8 I think I need to balance this thread somewhat. What's that I hear you say? I, who have on this site already nailed my colours to the mast as a Scottish football supporter, affiliated to the Red Devils? All will become clear in a moment.

I do not see viking's comments as an out-and-out attack on Manchester United (heck, there was enough things in there that I agree with), but what I am also unsure of is exactly what the overall point is. Viking, is this a hypothesis that Manchester United are about to crumble and fall? Perhaps a hope? Don't bet your house on it just yet.

First I must explain my affiliation with Manchester United. I am an Aberdeen fan, first, foremost, die hard Don. (And boy do we die hard). But before Alex Ferguson was Sir Alex Ferguson, before he became the world's greatest manager, he cut his teeth making Aberdeen the best team in Scotland (and, for a short time, Europe). Yes, he is/was also an a**e. But so many great people are. So there's a link that is as valid today as it ever was. It is also because when I was at the point of taking an interest in English football, Manchester United were "representing England" on the European stage. (This was back in the days when I hadn't heard the words "nineteen sixty-six" enough times to withdraw my support for England whenever they were playing and Scotland weren't.) With a combination of those factors, Manchester United established themselves as my "second team", or, if you like, my English team.

Now to address the "reasons". Before I start, I shall say that what I say is a personal response, and not a rebuttal, since I think viking is right in that these points ARE reasons why Manchester United are hated by those who are not Manchester United supporters.

Only in good times
Oh, how I wish that were the case for me. Yes, I enjoy it when Man U win. But it always hurts when they lose (or draw, which for them is tantamount to a loss more often than not). Always. And yes, I admit, I have tried to turn my back on Man U, to "not care", to think "I don't owe them any loyalty, my team is Aberdeen", but try as I might, I cannot stop caring when Man U lose. So I am not one of the "only in good times" supporters, because the fact is, I cannot stop supporting them. Literally can't. And I am not saying that every Man U fan is like me. All I'm saying is I'm not the only one like me either.
Manchester United are perceived as a team who has a large base of "glory hunting" fans. Even Roy Keane, their own player, said that x thousand of them were only part of the prawn sandwich brigade. But lets face it - EVERY team has Home fans that are in the prawn sandwich brigade. Every team has fans that only sing when they're winning. And success attracts larger crowds in every single part of the country. Of course it is worse at Manchester United. They have a large fan base to start with and frankly, who wants to pay £42 to watch crap football? So naturally there are many who won't come unless they expect it to be a good show - just as you wouldn't pay to go to the theatre unless you expected a good performance.

Once again
Again, this is a reason, but only becuase this is what is perceived and not actually the case. How many Premier League Managers have had more disciplinary measures (touchline bans, fines etc) than Sir Alex Ferguson? The reason he wins so many cases against the FA is because he makes so many cases - he fights his corner at times when other managers would just give up. On a purely percentage basis, of course he's going to win some, and because of the sheer amount of fights he's had, that "some" tends to be more than other manager's total victories. He will even fight the odd "losing battle" on principle. For example, every manager is subjected to the odd game where their team are robbed by an incompetent referee. But he has the balls to publicly say it. Why does he do it? Because he likes getting touchline bans? No - it's because if he kicks up enough fuss, the amount of times it happens will be few and far between. Bullies go for the easiest target more often than not, and Sir Alex is apt to constantly remind them that he will stand up to them. Aberdeen has been plagued with incompetent referees for years, yet a succession of managers have hardly ever criticised them. Hence, they get away with it. {Note: Scottish referees deserve a completely separate thread}. I don't quite get the last bit about penalties? The only way I can make sense of it is assume you are suggesting Manchester United have not, in 20 years, had a penalty against them that shouldn't have been given? Try telling that to Darren Fletcher, who missed the Champions' League Final against Chelsea because Arsenal got a penalty that they never should have had. Every team gets penalties they shouldn't get - unless of course they are Blackburn Rovers a few seasons ago.

Even Worse
Growing up, Champions' League football (group stages) were always shown on Wednesday by ITV. Then, one year, they changed to Tuesday. Manchester United played a lot of Wednesday matches that year. This coincided with a time Manchester United weren't doing so well domestically. They are back to Wednesdays now, but I can't say I see a significant increase in Manchester United live matches. Then again, it is hard for me to say as I am not in on Wednesdays. Also, I have no idea what the situation with TV is in Norway (or if you are based there or elsewhere viking? In other words, I can't give an informed opinion about your exact situation). But I'll assume for a moment that there is a Manchester United bias on TV. The only (and I mean the only) reason for that will be that this is the arrangement that is most profitable for the TV company. It's all about the money.

But the absolutely worst
Hear, hear. As a Manchester United fan I can vouch for just about everything you just said. Manchester United are sensational - when they want to be. But their players don't seem to want to play their best football every week. They are full of pri-madonnas. Too many times last season they just didn't make the effort required to win a match. If you think that is infuriating as a non Man-U fan, try being one.

But tasteless? Ok, I accept your point about the players (mentioned above). And I accept that there are "fans" that jump on the band wagon. But you can't exactly kick them out of the stadium once they've bought their ticket. And no, they don't need help from the referee. But just remember it is just as bad for the TRUE supporters. Every time Ashley Young "earns" a penalty, we're going to be hearing how lucky Manchester United are, even if they win 25-0. Happens all the time with any team - for example, World Cup 2010 Germany v England. Just because England played well for three minutes, every England fan felt that meant that the disallowed goal was crucial - despite the fact Germany walked all over them for the other 87 minutes.

And fortunately? Don't count on it, haters. Manchester United have been "finished" before, but they've bounced back every time. After all, Arsenal and Chelsea (in my viewing life time) have had their era of dominance, only to have been battered back down to fighting just for a top 4 spot. Manchester City are the team to beat right now, but the carpet will be pulled from under them too. Manchester United will out-live Sir Alex Ferguson, although when he steps down it will certainly be the end of an era.
This brings me on to my final point...

For an article that explains reasons why Manchester United are so hated, viking misses out the obvious and truest one:
They are the biggest team
Everyone that doesn't support the biggest team hates them. It happens in every league. Manchester United are a massive company; a global brand. They have a status that City can't buy. They only need to win something every so often to be one of the big boys. And it all boils down to an inner jealousy. After all, don't you wish your club was as big, as powerful, as successful, as rich, and yes, as hated - as Manchester United?

Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby drawscore » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:10 pm

>>>After all, don't you wish your club was as big, as powerful, as successful, as rich, and yes, as hated - as Manchester United?<<<

We have something similar in the US. They are called "The New York Yankees."

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Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby Kyle » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:52 pm

Switch a few words around and this thread could have been about the Yankees.

Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby viking » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:30 am

the whole point about this was that as a fan of a completely different football team, i don't like Manchester United because of those main reasons.

a supporter should be supporting the team trough good times AND bad times. just like your marriage you stick together no matter what. there is a lot of people who cheers for them because they just decided to cheer for a team that they know is doing well. then they hide in a cave as soon as they lose that one time.

Ferguson is doing a really good job with them, but still he can be real prick at times. they DO get a lot of help from the referee but they don't need it.

but still Manchester United is a great team. i hate to admit it, but they might be the best effing team in premiere league.
so what i'm doing here is making fun of the team, but at the same time i'm honoring them.
once again, i feel sorry for the guy who will handle Ferguson's job whenever he leaves.
people will have high expectations, and if he blows it he better hide in the same cave as those wannabe fans for a year or two.

still, Games Bond does have a good point. everyone else who supports a different team also are jealous at the better teams. that will also make them hated, but the reasons i mentioned are also true.
Once a scout, always a perverted pyromaniac with a fetish for knives and duct tape

Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby Jake_100 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:56 pm

I'm a die-hard Tottenham fan, was born around the corner from White Hart Lane. I quite like Man Utd, better than ArseAnal. And also better than teams like Man Shitty and Cheatski who just buy the league. What are they going to do when there owners become bored of there little play things?

Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby Tieup1 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:08 am

Manchester Utd are a massive club with huge support. They have won loads of trophies over the years, and have a long and proud history. Personally I can't stand them, and some other Premier League clubs as well. I have come across some so called Manchester Utd fans who have never been to a game in their lives, lol. The ones I have met, know very little about football, and can't accept when they get beaten. They come up with all sorts of weird excuses.
Most of them are glory hunters, people who just follow a big team because they win things.

IMO they should support their local team, whatever League they play in, the smaller teams really need their support, just to survive.

Re: enough is enough Manchester United

Postby viking » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:31 am

i don't like Man U at all, but they a great team, and there is a lot of teams out there i hate even more on (Chelsea for an instance). but even though Man U is as great as they are there are too many of those fake supporters who just seems to follow the team that is on a winning streak. people who doesn't even care about the sport.

one good example.
my sisters husband is a huge Liverpool supporter (and i mean a REAL supporter) and he once invited over the neighbor who is a Man U supporter to see a match between the two mentioned teams.
the guy first came with an excuse for why he couldn't be there, and then when there was about 20 minutes left of the match and United was 3 points above he showed up after all.

it's like you say, there are so many "fans" of United that only are there for the glory.
of course, not everyone who cheers for united are fake supporters.
once again, not all the fans of Man U are idiots, but every idiot cheers for Man U.
Once a scout, always a perverted pyromaniac with a fetish for knives and duct tape