To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:04 pm

. . . . . if I have not pissed you off, irked you, annoyed you, bothered you, or aggravated you today, please accept my most sincere apologies. It's been a long day, and there is much I have had to do. Please be patient. I'll get to you as soon as I can!

Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:35 pm

drawscore wrote:. . . . . if I have not pissed you off, irked you, annoyed you, bothered you, or aggravated you today, please accept my most sincere apologies. It's been a long day, and there is much I have had to do. Please be patient. I'll get to you as soon as I can!

Well, not today you haven't... but I've always known that you would whenever you could, so don't feel bad. I knew you'd get to to it eventually. :lol:
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby xtc » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:24 am

Life places so many demands upon us, doesn't it?
Boxer shorts are cool,
but little speedos rule!

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby elusinius » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:20 am


Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Chris12 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:05 pm

Toke jopic?

Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:46 pm

Chris12 wrote:Toke jopic?

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Forrest Gump; slightly amended
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby xtc » Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:09 pm

elusinius wrote:You might study this:
http://www.shakespeare-online.com/plays/titus_5_1.html


Yep, Billy Shakerags proving that nothing succeeds like excess.
Not sure the ironic jokes work these days and it was a hell of a job reading the passage whilst trying to concentrate on the Fassbender "Mac****".
Boxer shorts are cool,
but little speedos rule!

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Lake Lover » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:41 am

drawscore wrote:. . . . . if I have not pissed you off, irked you, annoyed you, bothered you, or aggravated you today, please accept my most sincere apologies. It's been a long day, and there is much I have had to do. Please be patient. I'll get to you as soon as I can!


TheDonald articulating an overriding apology for all past indiscretions?

(I still think he could be President.)

Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:49 pm

Gotta hand it to the Clinton campaign. That audio tape sure was a nice diversion and distraction away from Wikileaks' release of potentially damaging e-mails. The timing couldn't have been better. Almost as if it had been orchestrated.

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:37 pm

drawscore wrote:Gotta hand it to the Clinton campaign. That audio tape sure was a nice diversion and distraction away from Wikileaks' release of potentially damaging e-mails. The timing couldn't have been better. Almost as if it had been orchestrated.

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And that is all you take away from this, huh? What does it take to convince you that Trump is totally unsuitable to be President? For him to actually shoot someone in Times Square like he bragged he could do without losing the election?
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:45 am

Jason Toddman wrote: And that is all you take away from this, huh? What does it take to convince you that Trump is totally unsuitable to be President? For him to actually shoot someone in Times Square like he bragged he could do without losing the election?


Likewise, Hillary Clinton is totally unsuitable to be president.

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:02 pm

drawscore wrote:
Jason Toddman wrote: And that is all you take away from this, huh? What does it take to convince you that Trump is totally unsuitable to be President? For him to actually shoot someone in Times Square like he bragged he could do without losing the election?


Likewise, Hillary Clinton is totally unsuitable to be president.

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She's definitely not my first choice either but at least she's reasonably sane. Trump isn't. Anyway, guys like you don't think any liberal or progressive is qualified to be president, and Hillary is more center right than any Republican president before Reagan ever was. In an earlier generation, she'd have passed for Republican herself quite easily.
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby elusinius » Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:08 pm

Again I must defer to the wisdom of Charles Pierce:
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/po ... ald-trump/

Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:59 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:She's definitely not my first choice either but at least she's reasonably sane. Trump isn't. Anyway, guys like you don't think any liberal or progressive is qualified to be president, and Hillary is more center right than any Republican president before Reagan ever was. In an earlier generation, she'd have passed for Republican herself quite easily.


And he did not abandon four people to die in Benghazi. nor did he put the national security of the US at risk, through the use of a private, non-governmental internet/e-mail server. She's all for open borders, according to an e-mail leak from Wikileaks, while he wants our borders secured.

Oh, and liberals/progressives are all bent out of shape because Trump said "pussy," but thought it was perfectly fine to go around in 2008, wearing T-shirts emblazoned with "Sarah Palin is a cunt." How forward looking and tolerant of them.

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:40 pm

Actually I never saw those T-shirts and would have been appalled by them if I had seen them in public. Replace 'a cunt' with 'an idiot' and I'd be fine with it however.
As for the tired old Benghazi rhetoric, give it a rest can't you? If the GOP couldn't prove any wrongdoing despite all its many efforts to do so, there most likely wasn't any wrongdoing on her part to prove. Considering how easily emails are hacked these days even from supposedly secure servers, I fail to see how her email mishap proves anything anymore either. And just what are defining as open borders? Probably something not even remotely what a centrist like Hillary has in mind, that's for sure.
In any case, I must seriously question the judgment of anyone who supports trump to any extent; especially with the tired old GOP propaganda you keep spitting out in these posts. You're probably even a devoted fan of Glenn McCoy's completely moronic and wrongheaded political cartoons.
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby wataru14 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:11 pm

The problem with Trump isn't that he used the word "pussy." Even if he used it as a pejorative it wouldn't really be an issue. It's the fact that he apparently seems to think that walking up to a woman and grabbing her crotch (i.e. sexual assault) is something to joke about.

Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:18 am

wataru14 wrote:The problem with Trump isn't that he used the word "pussy." Even if he used it as a pejorative it wouldn't really be an issue. It's the fact that he apparently seems to think that walking up to a woman and grabbing her crotch (i.e. sexual assault) is something to joke about.


Trump joked about it. Hilly's hubby actually did it.

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby wataru14 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:11 pm

drawscore wrote:Trump joked about it. Hilly's hubby actually did it.


And since Bill Clinton is not running for any office, what he did or did not do is irrelevant. No one is voting for him. And unless I'm mistaken, his tryst with Lewinsky was consensual. I do not give two shits if a president is unfaithful to his wife. I literally could not care less. And if you're talking about the rape allegations against Bill, Trump has those, too.

Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Chris12 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:12 pm

drawscore wrote:
wataru14 wrote:The problem with Trump isn't that he used the word "pussy." Even if he used it as a pejorative it wouldn't really be an issue. It's the fact that he apparently seems to think that walking up to a woman and grabbing her crotch (i.e. sexual assault) is something to joke about.


Trump joked about it. Hilly's hubby actually did it.

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That's actually a good point for Trump to make. Its not a battle Hills has any right to fight so she should probably leave criticizing Trumps attitude regarding woman to others.

I'm also genuinely confused as to why that video damaged Trump as much as it did. Was it not obvious already? Is it really so baffling Trump would have that attitude and hasn't he said much worse things already? Hasn't he said worse things on a regular basis? Why exactly was a leaked video from 10 years ago the red line Trump has crossed according to many republicans? Opportunism maybe? Considering Trump pretty much hijacked the Republicans I can imagine that most are just itching to ditch him.

I think that when people say Hillary is unsuited for President as well that they get two kinds of unsuitable mixed up. Hillary is unsuited because she's dishonest and because her track record doesn't hold up scrutiny despite being pretty swell on paper. Hillary is not going to be a great leader but that's not what's required. You don't have to be a great leader to at least keep the ship sailing. That's the bare minimum she has to do. Not going beyond that isn't so bad. I'd argue the west hasn't had a true leader who did more than merely keep the ship sailing since Thatcher, despite what one may think of her.

Trump is unsuited because he has high chance to shipwreck the national ship by default. That's why someone merely keeping things running without literally unleashing a disaster is so important. Trump has no experience with governance, he probably has very little experience with checks on his powers, none on foreign policy which is especially evident when he's speaking on the subject. Trump also does not have the temperament to lead the most powerful army on earth, nor nukes capable of blowing us all up. The world is at its most dangerous since world war II. This is not the time to go for wild experiments with populist oafs.

A win for Trump is also a boon to populist wolves everywhere. And what good have the populist ever done us? Unleashing death squads in the Philippines, islamisation and a turn away from the West in Turkey, a massive risk to Britain's future or even the existence of the united kingdom in the Uk and lastly the almost complete sacrifice of Europe's geopolitical independence should the populist succeed in killing the EU for the sake of a short boost in the polls. We need less populists wolves, not more.

Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:28 pm

I don't know about Trump hijacking the Republican party. His message resonated with the rank and file, which is why he won delegates in the primaries. The party elites dismissed him as a populist clown, but by the time he had amassed sufficient delegates for the nomination, it was too late.

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:49 pm

drawscore wrote:I don't know about Trump hijacking the Republican party. His message resonated with the rank and file, which is why he won delegates in the primaries. The party elites dismissed him as a populist clown, but by the time he had amassed sufficient delegates for the nomination, it was too late.

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By rank and file you mean the racist morons who think all their problems stem from non-whites competing for their jobs instead of their own lack of ambition or intelligence. Most non-Republican members of the 'rank and file' as you put it are totally appalled by his rhetoric; not attracted by it. That's why the GOP found themselves losing control of their own party; no one was strong enough or nervy enough or smart enough to see the danger of trump's brand of populism and nip it in the bud. That and because they're even more out of touch with the 'rank and file' American people than Trump is.
The only reasons why the liberal rank-and-file didn't do the same and get Bernie nominated was because Bernie was too honest, started too late and too slowly, never really thought he had a chance and of course because Hillary (or better or worse) was strong enough to keep the DNC under her thumb. Would to God she had run as a republican and let Bernie (or Biden) run for the Democratic nomination. Then perhaps this current election wouldn't be so reminiscent of a dumpster fire.
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:43 am

>>>By rank and file you mean the racist morons who think all their problems stem from non-whites competing for their jobs instead of their own lack of ambition or intelligence.<<<

According to Obama's figures, unemployment is down. And there is a plethora of unskilled workers. They are the ones competing with illegal aliens for jobs. Now, are the legal workers lazy or less intelligent? Hell, I don't know. What I do know, is that most of the legal unskilled workers are non white. Are they "racist morons?"

>>>That's why the GOP found themselves losing control of their own party; no one was strong enough or nervy enough or smart enough to see the danger of trump's brand of populism and nip it in the bud.<<<

Didn't I just say that?

>>>The only reasons why the liberal rank-and-file didn't do the same and get Bernie nominated was because Bernie was too honest, started too late and too slowly, never really thought he had a chance and of course because Hillary (or better or worse) was strong enough to keep the DNC under her thumb.<<<

Hillary's hand-picked gal pal, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, ran the DNC, but when it was discovered that she had rigged the primary process to favor Hillary, she (resigned) (was fired), and was immediately picked up by the Clinton campaign. What surprised me, was Bernie's caving in. I thought he and his supporters would be screeching like banshees, but they just rolled over. (The story of how DWS got the job of DNC chairman, is interesting, too.)

In all my years on this earth, I've never known anyone who died under mysterious or suspicious circumstances. The Clintons know close to 50. Maybe that's what scared Bernie off.

>>>Then perhaps this current election wouldn't be so reminiscent of a dumpster fire.<<<

I can agree with that, but I was thinking more along the lines of a cluster f**k.

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:22 am

I had worse terms than even that but unlike trump I try NOT to be unnecessarily vulgar.
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:36 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:
drawscore wrote:Gotta hand it to the Clinton campaign. That audio tape sure was a nice diversion and distraction away from Wikileaks' release of potentially damaging e-mails. The timing couldn't have been better. Almost as if it had been orchestrated.

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And that is all you take away from this, huh? What does it take to convince you that Trump is totally unsuitable to be President? For him to actually shoot someone in Times Square like he bragged he could do without losing the election?


I'm not quite sure how the post went down this road, bit I suppose it was inevitable seeing as how the word "liberal" was included in the title. :roll:

I'm inclined to agree with Drawscore on this. The video was released to coincide with the delivery of the WikiLeaks documents. If that's his main takeaway from all this, I can't say I blame him. There's some pretty damning stuff in there. For example...

John Podesta, Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, stated in an email to Jennifer Palmieri, Director of Communications for Hillary's campaign, "I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time she says I’m running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion. I think if she doesn’t say it once, people will notice and say we false started in Iowa." Well isn't that just a huge slap in the face to the filthy little peasants that you need to win?

There is also a transcript from one of her Goldman Sachs speeches that says "I’m kind of far removed because the life I’ve lived and the economic, you know, fortunes that my husband and I now enjoy." Clinton told members of Goldman-Black Rock in February 2014." Not particularly harmful, but certainly contradictory to the campaign she is running.

Perhaps the most sinister is Hillary Clinton surrogate Bill Ivey's email to campaign manger John Podesta. In it he says, "And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce and unaware and compliment citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll-driven, demographically-inspired messaging." Consider what is being said here. This is an email from a Hillary Clinton surrogate to Hillary's campaign manager bragging about Hillary and the DNC's efforts to create an unaware and compliant populace, and expressing concern over the fact that citizen compliance is fading. This is quite literally an admission to what the conservative and libertarian parties have accused the Democratic party of for years, and yet we hear nothing of these leaks because Donald Trump's vulgarity is too busy being slung all over the media.

So, yes. I can see why one might tend to focus a little more on Hillary Clinton's leaked transcripts. For me they carry a much larger weight and impact. They highlight the other side of her and her camp, the actual side that comes out at night when all the cameras and reporters are gone. And it is a side that she would rather us not see, hence the release of this little shitshow by Donald Trump.

All this said, I, like many other Americans, hate them both. I hate them both with a passion. They are despicable, degenerate human beings that have no moral character whatsoever, but were voted into these positions (one of which through sabotage and fraud) leaving us to be stuck with them.

As a general rule, I try to take political talk in small doses, and this is one of the places I come to escape from it. However, I think that these recent events carry some weight and can't afford to be overlooked.
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:43 am

SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:I'm not quite sure how the post went down this road, bit I suppose it was inevitable seeing as how the word "liberal" was included in the title. :roll:

I'm inclined to agree with Drawscore on this. The video was released to coincide with the delivery of the WikiLeaks documents. If that's his main takeaway from all this, I can't say I blame him. There's some pretty damning stuff in there.

Oh, I never denied that for a moment. It was quite obviously timed. So were the Wikileaks documents. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and tactics like these have been a part of the political process almost forever. It's hardly a modern invention.
My point was that, whereas I think Hillary is dishonest, appeals to the rich, and not very charismatic to the 'rank and file' as DS puts it, she would be at worse a so-so president barring a crisis - as George Bush Jr likely would have wound up being had it not been for 9-11. But any way you look at it, a presidency under Trump would be an unmitigated disaster. The governor of my state, Paul LePage, is notoriously very much like Trump. He hopes for an authoritarian state 'to defend the constitution'; apparently blissfully unaware or uncaring that such a thing was what the US Constitution was written to prevent! You think civil rights had been eroded badly in the last generation? That's nothing compared to what a President Trump would do!! Just the fact that he praises the likes of Putin, Hitler, Mussolini, and Erdogan ought to give any rational person pause.
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:14 pm

Gee, never saw or heard of Trump praising Mussolini or Hitler, or whoever Erdogan was. But I know Hillary enjoyed conversations with radical left wing nut, Saul Alinsky.

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:24 pm

Erdogan is the President of Turkey who just cracked down on the country after a failed coup attempt.
And who the hell is Saul Alinsky?
And you manage to hear about Clinton mentioning people you dislike but missed Trump's saying how he likes to read Mein Kampf or tweeted something attributed to Mussolini? Then let me refresh your memory;
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-d ... lini/?_r=0
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/1 ... ein-kampf/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... oup-purge/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/opini ... crush.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/controve ... d=40373481
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:25 pm

>>>And who the hell is Saul Alinsky?<<<

Saul Alinsky was a left wing activist in the 60's and 70's, most famous for writing "Rules for Radicals." Google him. Also Google "Hillary Clinton Saul Alinsky" to get articles where both are mentioned.

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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:35 pm

And why is he at all relevant to anything? If you are saying his writings compare to Hitler's Mein Kampf but in the opposite direction, i'd have to say you have an even more twisted view of liberalism than i ever suspected.
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Re: To All My Liberal Friends . . . . .

Postby drawscore » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:18 am

I can't help you if the comparison eludes you. But in its simplest terms, just as you say Trump praised right wing nutballs, I say Hillary did the same, to noted left wingers. Would it have been clearer if, instead of using Saul Alinsky, I had used Lenin, Stalin, or Pol Pot?

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Let's entertain the board with a long, loud, insult-filled argument. It'll be fun! :-D