## Norway's terror.

Post by Male shortstied » Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:23 pm

I dont know why anybody's not talking abot this, but on Friday the 26th. of July, there was 2 attacks in Norway that killed 92 people & injuring dozens more: one in oslo at gov. building, & a second attack in Tyrifjorden, Buskerud at an youth camp organized by the youth organization (AUF) of the Norwegian Labour Party (AP). My sympathy & prays go out to all those affected by the unspeakable tragedy.

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Post by Chris12 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:34 am

I believe the ''blank'' topic was about it.
My symphathy to all involved. I hope that guys gets what coming to him!

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Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:39 am

There is a difference between merely citing what happened and expressing your opinion about it, that's why.
As for me, I cannot understand how anyone could possibly be so depraved as to go after innocent kids no matter what his religious and political beliefs are. The piece of fecal matter responsible for this outrage doesn't deserve to be called a human being, and IMHO should simply be shot and dumped into the nearest available landfill without ceremony!
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Post by skybird137 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:06 am

This evil person made my blood boil.
But what make me even more angry are the 'Gundamentalists' who have tried to use this atrocity to say more people should have guns.
These are the sort of crazies who seem to be blaming the Norwegian government and the people, rather than the criminal himself.
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Post by xtc » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:49 am

As Jason says. (Except for the "gun for a gun" philosophy) But I am concerened about people just posting news without comment. That is done better elswhere and I don't beieve many peope can be ignorant enough not to be aware of the actual horrific occurances. Discussion arises from comment.
In the UK, however, it was interesting to note that one of our more rabid publications posted the story, pointing out its parallels to "Islamic Terrorism". There was no mention of a white, gun toting Christian fundamentalist. Now that, in my opinion, is a balanced remark. I have not used the word "fascist" nor have I pointed out where such acts seem to be more commonpace than in Europe. Now THAT might be grounds for discussion!
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Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:57 am

> aielen wrote:not going to be dictated by people

No one is dictating *anything* to you. Why do you always take even the most innocent of comments like it was a personal slur? You need to lighten up (but this is just a suggestion, not a dictation).

> xtc wrote: As Jason says. (Except for the "gun for a gun" philosophy)

I suppose it *is* a bit of a knee-jerk reaction, but I still feel those people who turn their guns upon themselves rather than get captured alive do us all a favor by saving us the expense of a trial (and possibly getting off the hook by a slick enough lawyer and / or a soft-headed enough judge, like (IMHO at keast) O.J. Simpson did) and causing us to hear about the on the news for God knows how long (again O.J., who almost monopolizd the news media for years).
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Post by Chris12 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:55 pm

I disagree a monster shooting himself is not an aceptable outcome. he's basicly saying ''take that loved ones! you can't have justice'' such guys should be captured and given a fair trial(which should only have the death penalty as an outcome) and then they should be killed, preferebly as painfull as possible

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Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:18 pm

> Chris12 wrote:I disagree a monster shooting himself is not an aceptable outcome. he's basicly saying ''take that loved ones! you can't have justice'' such guys should be captured and given a fair trial(which should only have the death penalty as an outcome) and then they should be killed, preferebly as painfull as possible

Other than being messier and more expensive and giving some morbid souls a free freak show, how is that outcome any different or supply less justice than the scenario I described?
IMO dead is dead, and none of his victims can be brought back to life regardless of whether he is executed or commits suicide.
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Post by Jay Feely » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:37 pm

Do not give the shooter the death penalty. Put him in a maximum secured prison and he should think about what he did and he pain he caused the famalies of the victims.
You will have to subdue me to restrain me. I been a bad boy so make sure you torture me too with anything but pain.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:59 pm

> jay wrote:Do not give the shooter the death penalty. Put him in a maximum secured prison and he should think about what he did and he pain he caused the famalies of the victims.

Yeah right. Like that really worked with Charles Manson, Squeaky Fromm, Sirhan Sirhan, Mark David Chapman, James Earl Ray, Yigal Amir, the Unabomber, and a dozen other assassins I could name.
They either denied their guilt or never showed a shred of remorse about what they did. About the only good reason to spare a convicted murderer as if he is convicted purely on circumstantial evidence (which many people are, which is why that aspect of the show "The Fugitive" was so believable).
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Post by skybird137 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:53 am

"The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. He is the man who has lost everything except his reason."
Chesterton, Gilbert K.
On these grounds, maybe it would be better to have him declared insane. No trial, no publicity, and they can hold him forever, no problem.
They can also pump him full of drugs for the rest of his life while trying to 'cure him'
This is something that he will not want, to be seen as a raving madman. As someone declared insane, he will not even have the rights of a convicted criminal.
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Post by Jay Feely » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:44 am

> Jason Toddman wrote:

> > jay wrote:Do not give the shooter the death penalty. Put him in a maximum secured prison and he should think about what he did and he pain he caused the famalies of the victims.

> Yeah right. Like that really worked with Charles Manson, Squeaky Fromm, Sirhan Sirhan, Mark David Chapman, James Earl Ray, Yigal Amir, the Unabomber, and a dozen other assassins I could name.
> They either denied their guilt or never showed a shred of remorse about what they did. About the only good reason to spare a convicted murderer as if he is convicted purely on circumstantial evidence (which many people are, which is why that aspect of the show "The Fugitive" was so believable).

Let me tell you something Jason Toddman. Killing someone just because they murdered other people is not justice. That is retribution. The best response is to lock them up in a jail cell for the rest of their lives. So, even if they do not show remorse, it would be a lot better than just giving them the needle.
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Post by Chris12 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:29 pm

Lots of people would consider justice and retribution the same thing

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Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:04 pm

> Chris12 wrote:Lots of people would consider justice and retribution the same thing

Nicely spoken, Chris.
Besides which, there CAN be no real justice in this world anyway as long as there is no way to bring the victims back to life, so I'll settle for retribution instead over nothing at all!!! And a bullet (or an injection if you prefer, though I think a bullet is much kinder and quicker - even if messier - if you want to talk about mercy for the condemned) is a lot cheaper than feeding, clothing, and housing this useless piece of garbage we're discussing for the rest of his life when rehabilitation is impossibly impractical anyway.
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Post by Jay Feely » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:20 pm

Sorry, but that is just me. No point of arguing this any further.
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Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:14 pm

> jay wrote:Sorry, but that is just me. No point of arguing this any further.

Well, I was commenting to Jay actually, not to you. But you're right though; there IS no point arguing about this. Nothing we say here is going to change a thing one way or another anyway.
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Post by Jay Feely » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:04 pm

I cannot believe the slow response of the police to the camp where the shooting happened at.
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Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:10 pm

> jay wrote:I cannot believe the slow response of the police to the camp where the shooting happened at.

Dude, two bombs had just blown up at Oslo just hours earlier. Probabably as a diversion... which worked, I might add. All the police available were probably understandably sent there to help in a major crisis. That might even have been the main purpose of those bombs the guy planted. Who could know though that such a horrible thing was just a diversion for something else even more horrific? The police can't be blamed for that; such a thing had never happened there before. The creep may have been crazy but he knew just what he was doing!
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Post by dreadnaught3200 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:46 pm

Still... Ninety Minutes? That's quite a discrepancy, even if two bombs had gone off in Oslo. I can understand why the police would be slow off the mark, especially getting to the camp. But ninety minutes was still too long. It doesn't make much of a difference at this point, but I think its clear that there was some complacency, or at least disorganization in the Norwegian police force. Though after this incident I'm pretty sure it'll be fixed.
Though I'm with you Jason that he should have a bullet put in his head. True psychopaths are incurable and a danger to human society. This guy sounds like just that. And even though killing him won't bring his victims back, I think it'll at least offer their families some consolation that he paid the ultimate price for his crime.
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