Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:01 pm

As we all know, Super Tuesday is almost upon us. Currently, the two big faces of the democratic race are Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. Anybody have any thoughts on either candidate, their policies, or the voting process as a whole?
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Chris12 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:19 pm

Bernie Sanders seems like the better man...if you're European.

From all I have seen then it seems like being on the left is a giant weakness in America. If (comparable) right wingers like Obama get massive opposition in part for being a ''socialist'' then imagine what one would have to endure if he wears the label proudly. Sanders ideas seem to go a lot further then what the controversial Obama care already did. I don't think a lot of people would want to work with Sanders. If people don't vote on him for that reason America is going to end up with President Trump. So Sanders strikes me as the right man in the wrong place.

As for Hillary. I think she's capable and when it comes to a political resume probably the most capable for the job. That said I don't find myself disagreeing with people who find her unlikable and untrustworthy.

Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:26 pm

I much prefer Bernie Sanders but when all is said and done Hilliary is more likely to be the nominee for the Democratic Party. I have some issues with voting for her to be POTUS but I'll much prefer her to anyone running on the GOP side. Trump especially seems like the closest thing to Adolf Hitler that 21st century society currently allows, and I find that scary. I don't care for Cruz or Rubio either because they're much too pro-religion (as in imposing their brand of it on all of us) and anti-science.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby solarbeast34 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:30 pm

Chirs12, Obama is in the same party as Sanders and Clinton. They are Democrats and for America, that is the left side. There are various positions on the left side, but it is still the left side. The Republicans are on the right side.

Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Chris12 » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:49 pm

solarbeast34 wrote:Chirs12, Obama is in the same party as Sanders and Clinton. They are Democrats and for America, that is the left side. There are various positions on the left side, but it is still the left side. The Republicans are on the right side.


Yes yes but the thing is...the US do not HAVE a left wing. You get to chose between right and far right. The Democrats have very little in common with European or south American left wing parties for example. You said it yourself: ''for America''.

Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:24 pm

solarbeast34 wrote:Chirs12, Obama is in the same party as Sanders and Clinton. They are Democrats and for America, that is the left side. There are various positions on the left side, but it is still the left side. The Republicans are on the right side.

I hope you mean right as opposed to left rather than right as opposed to wrong, because i think the latter comparison is utter bilge.
Anyway, Chris12 has a definite point. Even Bernie sanders is a centrist at most compared to many left-wing politicians in Europe. This is surprising, considering that the trend was most definitely the other way just a few generations ago. It also makes me wish I lived in Europe now, since then I wouldn't have to worry about medical bills wiping me out financially in the short term; a prospect I am most definitely facing right now.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Kyle » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:22 am

There is no way I'd vote for either one of them. Hillary Clinton is untrustworthy even compared to most politicans and Bernie Sanders has ideas that are completely unaffordable.

Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby misterg792000 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:52 am

You mean "ideas that are completely unaffordable except in every other developed country in the world", apparently. You'd be amazed what happens when your tax system doesn't bend over backwards to favor people so wealthy that they have no real concept of money anymore at the expense of the middle and lower classes.

Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:51 pm

Kyle wrote:There is no way I'd vote for either one of them. Hillary Clinton is untrustworthy even compared to most politicans and Bernie Sanders has ideas that are completely unaffordable.

So is our military spending, but has that ever bothered you?
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Kyle » Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:39 am

Jason Toddman wrote:
Kyle wrote:There is no way I'd vote for either one of them. Hillary Clinton is untrustworthy even compared to most politicans and Bernie Sanders has ideas that are completely unaffordable.

So is our military spending, but has that ever bothered you?


Yes, it has. It greatly bothers me we spend more on our military than most of the rest of the world combined.

The way you asked that makes it pretty clear you thought you already knew the answer though.

Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:01 am

Kyle wrote:
Jason Toddman wrote:
Kyle wrote:There is no way I'd vote for either one of them. Hillary Clinton is untrustworthy even compared to most politicans and Bernie Sanders has ideas that are completely unaffordable.

So is our military spending, but has that ever bothered you?


Yes, it has. It greatly bothers me we spend more on our military than most of the rest of the world combined.
The way you asked that makes it pretty clear you thought you already knew the answer though.


Not quite, but I admit I considered it more than likely. Most conservatives seem to be so gung-ho for military spending that they lose sight of how wasteful much military spending is. They decry support systems for the poor or Obamacare as waste of tax dollars but don't mind spending money for weapons we either never use or misuse in a fashion that we would have started war crimes trials for if anyone else ever did them.
I know you're not the most conservative member here but I doubt you're a Progressive like I evidently am either. Am I right or am i wrong?
Even so, note that though I implied it I didn't come out and say it because I was (a bit) less than certain. Unlike some conservatives out there (and you know as well as i do there are some like this), who can never admit they are wrong or are even capable of being wrong about something, I am quite aware that I may be mistaken in my impressions or views about some people or some matters. I guess this was one of them.
But you must admit we do have some other members here who would have answered my question with a flat "No!!".
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:49 am

Changing topics, did you guys hear about the B.S that Bill Clinton pulled on Super Tuesday?
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:45 am

SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:Changing topics, did you guys hear about the B.S that Bill Clinton pulled on Super Tuesday?

Yes, through our mutual friend Secular Talk.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Lake Lover » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:02 pm

I feel that Bernie Sanders is the most honest, straightforward and probably the most intelligent of the major presidential candidates. Trump doesn't seem to have a firm or cohesive platform. If he does, he is incapable of articulating it and that is disappointing. Robio is inexperienced both in private enterprise and in government. He campaigns like a kid running for president of his senior class. Try again in eight years, Mario. Hillary? she is a female version of Obama. That leaves Bernie. He has a lot of experience. He is consistent. He won't push socialist legislation thru Congress. I doubt if we would ever be ashamed of him if he were our President. I will vote for him.

Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:44 pm

Lake Lover wrote:I feel that Bernie Sanders is the most honest, straightforward and probably the most intelligent of the major presidential candidates. Trump doesn't seem to have a firm or cohesive platform. If he does, he is incapable of articulating it and that is disappointing. Robio is inexperienced both in private enterprise and in government. He campaigns like a kid running for president of his senior class. Try again in eight years, Mario. Hillary? she is a female version of Obama. That leaves Bernie. He has a lot of experience. He is consistent. He won't push socialist legislation thru Congress. I doubt if we would ever be ashamed of him if he were our President. I will vote for him.

He's also the wisest and most professional-acting of all the candidates, too. Compared that to the childish Trump, adolescent Rubio, or the smug Cruz.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby drawscore » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:23 am

Saw some clips of their debate Sunday (March 6). They were a little snippy with each other. What really ought to be fun, is the Town Hall meeting tonight (March 7), where they will both be questioned by Fox News' Brett Baier.

Of course, being the uncompromising, low down, rotten, sneaky weasel that I am, I'd get them both in the studio, lock the doors, and substitute Sean Hannity for Brett Baier as the questioner. I bet that would produce some fireworks. I'd lay odds that it would take less then ten minutes for Hannity to get under Hillary's skin, and she'd be shrieking profanities into the camera.

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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:07 am

drawscore wrote:Saw some clips of their debate Sunday (March 6). They were a little snippy with each other. What really ought to be fun, is the Town Hall meeting tonight (March 7), where they will both be questioned by Fox News' Brett Baier.

Of course, being the uncompromising, low down, rotten, sneaky weasel that I am, I'd get them both in the studio, lock the doors, and substitute Sean Hannity for Brett Baier as the questioner. I bet that would produce some fireworks. I'd lay odds that it would take less then ten minutes for Hannity to get under Hillary's skin, and she'd be shrieking profanities into the camera.

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That would get under the skin of anyone who is sane and rational, since Hannity is neither. He is a clueless bigot. And he's not even the worst one working at Fox News.
I don't watch Fox or Msnbc on television, but I see enough clips of Bill O'Rielly, Hannity, Ann Coulter, Jimmy Scarborough, and others enough to nonetheless form some very low opinions of conservative commentators in general with their narrow-minded and usually fact-free talking points.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby drawscore » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:26 am

Hannity isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but he has outlasted liberal nutcase Keith Olbermann on MSNBC twice, and on Al-Jazeera America. One's political views are not necessarily a measure of intelligence. I personally know some conservatives that make me wonder how they dress themselves in the morning without help, and a few liberals who are quite intelligent.

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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby misterg792000 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:53 pm

drawscore wrote:Saw some clips of their debate Sunday (March 6). They were a little snippy with each other.


This after the GOP cretins literally tried to compare dick sizes onstage. Okay.

drawscore wrote:Of course, being the uncompromising, low down, rotten, sneaky weasel that I am, I'd get them both in the studio, lock the doors, and substitute Sean Hannity for Brett Baier as the questioner. I bet that would produce some fireworks. I'd lay odds that it would take less then ten minutes for Hannity to get under Hillary's skin, and she'd be shrieking profanities into the camera.


You'd also lose. Hannity, like most right-wing radio blowhards, is only formidable when attacking strawmen who aren't in his studio, and would immediately pout and cry the moment Hillary asked him about his old neo-Nazi pal Hal "Hal from North Bergen" Turner. As it stands, the only people whining about how unfair and mean debate moderators are the "tough guys" in the GOP.

At least Mancow had the dignity to follow through on his "sure, I'll get waterboarded" stunt; still waiting on you, Sean. Perhaps waterboarding will finally make you explain where all the money you stole from your veteran's charity went.

Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:47 am

At least Hillary and Bernie managed to talk and act like adults for the most part. Trump and his rivals act like spoiled children yelling over one another.
And now that Trump is leading, Cruz and the rest of the GOP are plotting behind his back like spoiled children as well. They talk about listening to the will of the American people, but that seems to go out the window when the American people choose someone outside of their inner circle. Hey, I don't like Trump either but I'm not a republican either so it's not my business who Republican voters choose. Whether they go with Trump or try to annoint the unpopular Ted Cruz or someone else with less name recognition, the GOP is in big trouble this year. I don't think anyone they select will have a chance against either Hillary or Bernie even if God forbid they run on separate tickets on Election Day.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby drawscore » Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:38 pm

Sanders v. Clinton. The socialist versus the crook.

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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:47 pm

I gotta say. All of this political talk has really taken a toll on me emotionally lately. I try to stay away from it for my own well-being, but it always finds me, either through high school discussion or the front page of every news site. It's not so much the petty bickering and division of parties, but the fact that Donald Drumpf is doing as well as he is.

It speaks volumes about American society when you consider that this joker is on track to be the presidential nominee. Here, we have a populous that is so deathly afraid of immigration, terrorism, and their own government that they are willing to put this guy in power.

This is the same guy, mind you, that has:

Targeted women with a slew of various insults.
https://news.vice.com/article/women-you-have-to-treat-them-like-shit-new-ad-highlights-trumps-statements-on-women

Called the majority of Mexican immigrants criminals, drug dealers, and rapists.

Claimed that vaccinations cause autism.

Held wildly inconsistent political views.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

Stated that he would consider appointing Supreme Court judges to overturn the gay marriage ruling.
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/02/donald-trump-says-hell-overturn-same-sex-marriage-decision-if-elected/

Made fun of a reporter with a muscle disorder.

Dismissed global warming as a hoax multiple times. (Just check his Twitter)

Threatened to sue media outlets who portray him negatively (good luck).
http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/02/26/donald-trump-promises-to-sue-the-media-for-nega/208842

Said that we need to take out ISIS members' families (Which is most definitely a war crime).
http://news.yahoo.com/trump-isis-families-145744666.html

Defended his penis size on national television.

(The maximum amount of URL's allowed is 5. I linked the most pressing articles, but you'll have to look up the others to see what I'm talking about.)

But, oh no, it's fine. Because he tells it like it is, and that can only be good, right? Meanwhile, Obama gets in trouble for saying the N word in the context of addressing racism.

Just let the gravity of the situation set in for a moment. If this man gets elected, he will have access to the nuclear codes, he will be able to declare war, mobilize armies, and send 21 year old "adults" off to die. The man is clearly not fit to be president, and coming to this conclusion should have been the easiest political decision for Americans to make. But the fact that so many people are voting for him says something about the general public as well a their view of the government.

Public opinion of the United States government is at an all time low. Citizens know that Congress is ineffective. People know that American legislature acts in their own best interest rather than that of the people. People know that their privacy is at risk. These are all issues that Drumpf exposes, but never offers any real solutions to.

People are so sick of the political establishment, that they are willing to vote for ANYONE outside of it. I asked a friend of mine why he is voting for Drumpf and he responded with "The political system is a mess. The bi-partisan system is terrible. Things are only getting worse and the foundation for government needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. I'm convinced that if he becomes president, then the entire system will crumble under his authority. And I'm willing to take that risk if it means building a better system down the road."

Keep in mind that this is coming from a fellow 18 year old. I'm cynical when it comes to the government, just like any other 18 year old, but I don't know if I'm so inclined that I would intentionally put the worst choice for president in power. I've never seen such a push for change as the complete destruction of organized politics.

It is not difficult to find dirt on Drumpf, nor is it to conclude that he would make a terrible president. But the truth is that he simply doesn't care. Nothing sticks to this guy because he doesn't get embarrassed. You can come at him with all the insults and evidence of his faults that you like, and he'll just stand behind it and shout you down with "Remember how much everything sucks! I'm gonna make it great again!"

I honestly thought that the general public was better than this. What this election has told me is that I'm obviously giving people way too much credit. I mean, we as a society have our faults and we have a long way to go, but I would like to think that we are making progress. I can only view his election as 3 steps back for society, something that I would not expect from a generally up-hill progression of knowledge and tolerance.

When I first heard about his candidacy, I thought it was no more than a publicity stunt (which it very well may have been). I looked at this, along with many others, and thought "What a joke. Who would vote for this guy?" Apparently, a LOT of people. This surprised me, especially on Super Tuesday, because I thought we were all in agreement on how terrible Drumpf is.

And that misconception is my own fault. When you live in a specific area, go to a specific school, associate with a specific group of people, and browse a specific corner of the internet, it is easy to draw a sort of false political consensus. It is easy to over-assume how "on the same page" everyone is.

There are those out there, much like my friend, who clearly know he is terrible, but are still voting for him. Or there's those that are voting for him purely for shits and giggles, not realizing the impact that they are having by doing this. However, I would say that they are in the minority. The vast majority of people (who I obviously have yet to meet) seem to genuinely believe that he would make a great president, and will defend that belief to their very core. And that might just be the single, biggest blow to my faith in people that I have ever experienced.

So, yeah. That's why this is all making me so sad.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:23 pm

drawscore wrote:Sanders v. Clinton. The socialist versus the crook. Drawscore


I wish you conservatives would get through your heads that there is a BIG difference between a socialist and a socialist democrat.
We're not talking about making the USA like Cuba or Venezuela here. More like Sweden or Norway or Iceland, where people live longer, the happiness index is higher, health costs per person are way lower, no one gets bankrupted on health care, and most people actually make a decent wage.
I hate using this term, but if you'd 'stop drinking the GOP koolaid' and actually did some independent research with an open mind for once instead of parroting ignorant know-nothings like Beck and Hannity, maybe you'd actually get a more realistic understanding of what Bernie is talking about!
Seriously, if you think Trump, Cruz, or anyone else the GOP can manage to scrounge up at this point is going to make a better president than Bernie Sanders, there's just no reasoning with you.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:38 pm

SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:I gotta say. All of this political talk has really taken a toll on me emotionally lately.
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So, yeah. That's why this is all making me so sad.

Yes, I can hardly blame you. It makes me sad too, but I'm pushing sixty and one gets rather more cynical as one ages.

But the fact that someone like you whose life is really only just now getting started is also sad about all this... and moreover that you probably have loads of company among your agemates... makes me even sadder. This is worse by far than even Watergate, which was raging while i was in high school myself. i thought things were bad then; the idea that we couldn't trust our own leaders or government was a very new one that few people had ever imagined up to then... even the Viet Nam war had not caused the cynicism with government that Watergate had. And it seems its only been getting worse ever since. At least when i was your age i didn't think the country was on the verge of another civil war. Now i'm not so sure.

But at least there is still a ray of hope... imo Bernie Sanders could be another Roosevelt (Teddy or Franklin Delano; they were both progressives). if we give him the chance. You and all your generation are already aware of how badly things have gone downhill with the federal government since the Tea Party became such a strong obstructionist element. If you and every other voter with sense registers to vote and vote for Bernie Sanders for president, and in addition vote out every obstructionist republican in the House of representatives (all are up for re-election as their terms are only two years) and every obstructionist in the Senate (unfortunately only about a third of them are up for re-election but it would be a start), we really could make this country great again. The vision of the GOP would, despite their rhetoric, make things great only for themselves and the upper 0.1%. Bernie Sanders is the only honest candidate and would be the peoples' president. Real hope and change this time... if there's any anywhere, that is.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby drawscore » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:04 am

>>>I wish you conservatives would get through your heads that there is a BIG difference between a socialist and a socialist democrat.<<<

Jason, Bernie, himself, said he was a socialist. Not me.

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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:04 am

drawscore wrote:>>>I wish you conservatives would get through your heads that there is a BIG difference between a socialist and a socialist democrat.<<<

Jason, Bernie, himself, said he was a socialist. Not me.

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And he has clearly explained what he meant by that many times, and has long since corrected that to socialist democrat - but of course you insist on describing him with your own interpretation of the word 'socialist' rather than his. So again for you it's totally a research fail. Why don't you actually try to find out what his vision for America actually is rather than label the man? Or don't you believe in actually understanding concepts that you want to oppose?
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:15 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:And he has clearly explained what he meant by that many times, and has long since corrected that to socialist democrat - but of course you insist on describing him with your own interpretation of the word 'socialist' rather than his. So again for you it's totally a research fail. Why don't you actually try to find out what his vision for America actually is rather than label the man? Or don't you believe in actually understanding concepts that you want to oppose?

Jason I fear that you are having the adverse effect on Drawscore than that which you are trying to achieve. You seem to like Bernie Sanders, I do too, so I would imagine that you are trying to encourage Drawscore to vote for him, or at the very least rethink his view of Bernie Sanders, but I don't believe you are going about the best way of doing that by insulting him.

I agree. The biggest problem with the public's view of Bernie Sanders is that the dreaded S word gets thrown around lot. People, having little knowledge of what socialism even is, are quick to assign the buzzword to Sanders. Make no mistake, labels are a dangerous thing, especially ill-informed labels. Labels allow a person of group of people to look at another person or group of people, categorize them into a group or ideology, and make snap-second judgement based on that label.

In this case though, people aren't even using the right label. Yes, Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. He has said so multiple times. Whether or not it is correct to call him a socialist, by therefore grouping him under the branch of socialistic ideology, is a matter of debate. But I do think it's important to draw the line between what people naturally think of as socialism, and what Bernie Sanders is trying to achieve.

No, we are not going to turn into communist nation, because the government will not own all the means of production. No, taxes are not going to increase to 90% per person, because the majority of funds for his projects are going to come from the wealthiest of the wealthy. No, everybody is not going to make the same amount of money regardless of what job they do, if any job at all. No, society will not grind to a halt, lacking any sort of innovation or advancement.

What Bernie is proposing is political model that works for everyone, not just the top 1%. He has said so repeatedly, so this much should be clear by now. People have a habit of painting this model like it's some new idea. The fact remains that this sort of political ideology and operation has been implemented, has been widely well-received, and has been successful in many other countries; countries that lead the world in education, labor force, and happiness, as well as offer universal healthcare and significantly reduced college tuition.

I like Bernie Sanders, yes. I believe that he is the best candidate for our country, especially at a time when political power is being wrenched out of the hands of the common people. I believe that he is a very forward-thinking individual, both with civil rights and other political issues, and I believe that he is pushing for a future to believe in.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:12 pm

SolidSnickerdoodle wrote: I would imagine that you are trying to encourage Drawscore to vote for him, or at the very least rethink his view of Bernie Sanders, but I don't believe you are going about the best way of doing that by insulting him.

What insults? I did not call him stupid or anything; just said he is unwilling to do a little independent research from unbiased sources (say, wikipedia) rather than repeat the same tired talking points as radio show hard-right conservatives like Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Rielly and Glen Beck... people whom I think either do not have a brain in their head, simply say these things because it makes them a lot of money, or, most likely, both. Political and often religious propaganda at its absolute worst.
I used language no harsher than Drawscore typically uses on other people when he is trying to make his point.
Now if I called him or someone else (other than influential people like politicians and talk show hosts who spread propaganda) a Nazi or a fool, then I would be insulting him... and I would definitely be wrong (both because of the insult and because I consider Drawscore at least to be neither a Nazi nor a fool). I call him a conservative, which perhaps is an insult to my mind but not to his. Just as I am not insulted when he calls people like us Liberals; that is what we are even though his idea of liberalism is probably equivalent to our idea of communism.
Oh, and I know Drawscore will not come around to my way of thinking... just as he knows I'd never come around to his. It isn't that Drawscore has different beliefs from mine that bothers me about what he says; freedo of speech and all that. It's just that he says what he says as if there were no possible refutation when there almost always is; and they won't listen to it when you explain what is wrong with what they said. When I am unsure of a subject or when someone points out I am wrong, i will do my research and admit it... just as I did when Misterq pointed out an error on my part just this last week. But Drawscore and most other conservatives virtually never do this.
That is not an insult; simply an observation that has yet to be proven wrong here. And imo it's largely that stubbornly uncompromising conservatism that is tearing this country apart, leaving many of our biggest problems go unsolved or even get worsem and making us a punchline in much of the rest of the world.
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Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby drawscore » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:19 pm

>>>And he has clearly explained what he meant by that many times, and has long since corrected that to socialist democrat - but of course you insist on describing him with your own interpretation of the word 'socialist' rather than his. So again for you it's totally a research fail. Why don't you actually try to find out what his vision for America actually is rather than label the man? Or don't you believe in actually understanding concepts that you want to oppose?<<<

His vision for America will turn the country into another third world shithole.

Drawscore,

Re: Bernie Sanders VS Hillary Clinton

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:31 pm

drawscore wrote:
His vision for America will turn the country into another third world shithole.

Drawscore,

Care to elaborate?
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