Please help

Postby Fesselfan » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:30 pm

So, you like the content but don't want to pay the few bucks a membership costs?
Sorry, but I really loathe people like you...you know, there are reasons why more and more good bondage sites shut down...

Cheers

FF
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Please help

Postby Boundgal08 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:08 am

FF.... :D I like what you are saying!

You really shouldn't ask for this stuff.... people pay with their own well earned money to sign up to these sites! So why would they give you their username and password, so you can view it for free???? Its not happening.... so I suggest you start saving some money up and pay for the membership yourself!

I loathe people who ask for something like this.... its damn well cheeky ;)

Cheers,
Boundgal
BOUNDGIRL!
Probably the kinkiest woman you will ever meet!
I am a switch, I like to put a man in ropes and also have a man put me in ropes!
I am the 'Queen of bondage'

Re: Please help

Postby Fesselfan » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:26 am

Maybe I see it more from a producers point of view...
Doing such stuff as shown on bedroombondage and americandamsels professionally costs $. The owners of these sites try to get some cash in return for producing that stuff- hopefully enough to make a living by it, preferable a comfortable one.
If you dislike that attitude- fine. There are thousands of free pics on the web, dwell on them.

BTW, I happen to read in Loreleis and Johns (the owners, producers and in former times models of these two sites) forum. Know what? They really have to struggle to even pay the bills. They are even considreing selling their house, just to make ends meet. If they would decide to produce "normal" P0rn, they would surely have more $...yet they keep to the stuff they like, bondage. This is not to say that they are selfless heroes- but I think they should get at least enough respect to either pay for their work...or ignore it completely.

Sorry for the rant... but this "all for free" attitude always drives me a little mad.

Cheers

FF
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Please help

Postby MHW » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:32 pm

Well, personally I don't have any way to join these sites, and probably wouldn't join any site if i did. But I agree with the above statements, you should be ashamed for asking for a password like that. It's akin to someone coming up to you on the street and asking for a copy of your house key so they can go in and make a sandwhich every couple days.

Re: Please help

Postby Fesselfan » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:44 pm

Sadly most people don't have a clue how much a professional bondage shoot may cost, neither in cash or time.
It's the same attitude as "nuclear power is bad, coal power is bad, wind power is bad...they should all be turned off...my electrical power comes out of a wallsocket, why?"

Cheers

FF
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Please help

Postby Spreadeagle » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:38 am

Heya FF I agree totally with what your saying but how can a bondage shoot be that expencive? Id gladly model in a shoot and ask for no fee. As long as my identity was hidden... Like Batman
Always looking for new TUG buddies :)

Re: Please help

Postby Boundgal08 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:48 am

It just can be, you need to hire a studio, plus all the equipment, and heck the models that do them, don't come for free...they get paid to do it!

Id happily model bondage... for a small fee ;)
BOUNDGIRL!
Probably the kinkiest woman you will ever meet!
I am a switch, I like to put a man in ropes and also have a man put me in ropes!
I am the 'Queen of bondage'

Re: Please help

Postby Fesselfan » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:13 pm

I will try to give you a rough rundown of costs for an "average" bondage shoot. As some may know, several years ago I did some shootings myself. Of course, prices vary very much- so you should see the values I give as a very very rough estimate.

I am talking about a professional shooting with hired models- hobby shootings (e.g. with boundgal ;) ) are usually less expensive. However, if you want to run a bondage site, usually you have to show a new model at least twice a year, preferably more often- so you don't get around hiring someone. Besides, issues like taxation usually make it better to make real contracts with the models.

All prices I give are in euros.

Model(s): an "avergae" Bondage model earns between 50 to 150 per shoot- if it's a very prominent one (e.g. ahsley reene, jasmine sinclair etc) propably much more. Often you will need two or more models.

Equipment: you need a professional photo and lightning equipment. Of course, that is not pruchased new every time- but it costs several thousand euros. To have a rough number here, I calculate 20 euros per shooting as rate for that (which assumes a rather high number of shootings)

Location: a lot of shootings are done in the producers (or someone elses) home and are free. However, often enough a separate location is needed (people usually don't want 100 shootings of the same model on the same couch). So you have to spend time in finding new locations- and some cash in renting it.

Aditional persons: depends on the shooting, sometimes you just need someone to lend a hand. Drive people, carry things around...or making the video while you shoot the photos. This usually is anwhere from 0 to 100 euros.

"Toys": you need good (and good looking) equipment. Ropes, gags, blindfolds, whatever else. This stuff doesn't come fro free. Plus, with time it will degrade...ropes don't look so good anymore if used too often etc. This stuff is usually costly- and customers want new stuff often- let's assume 30 euros per shoot.

Overhead costs: People need to travel to the shooting site. Perhaps they need a hotel. Models need makeup. Everyone needs something to drink and eat. Zillion small things which are not expensive- but in total amount to a lot of cash. To my experience, this can easily be as much as any of the above- let's assume 150 euros.

So in total (assuming avergae figures):
1 model - 100 euro
Equipment -20 euro
Location -20 euro
Help -50 euro
Toys -30 euro
Overhead -150 euro
-----------------------
370 euro
And that's for a shooting which is in no way great or special. Often, you need two or more models, driving the cost through the roof. Plus, the figures are on the low site.
High quality shootings with big names, like on the two afforementioned sites, will propably be more than triple the costs.

On the income side...you are lucky if you get one euro from each person for each shoot, in average. So you need to have at least 370 people pay for your shoot to just break even. And I can tell you, you don't sell every shoot millions of times, like with "normal" p0rn.

That's a rough idea why I loathe people who want it "all for free"....

Cheers

FF
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.