Kyle wrote:I have no idea how it would be natural to be turned on by being tied up...
sarobah wrote:I am pretty sure I was born with my “kinks†already intact. As far back as I can remember, I fantasized about being the damsel in distress – captured by pirates, kidnapped by spies, etcetera.
Since I didn’t inherit these fantasies from my parents, and I taught my little brother the ropes, I have no idea where they came from. For a long time, I thought they had been implanted by TV, movies and novels, until I realized that it was a chicken-and-egg situation – was I inspired by DiD scenes, or did I seek them out because my fascination already existed?
I guess for most people it’s both nature and nurture – we’re born with certain tendencies, which are either reinforced or suppressed by our circumstances and environment.
~ Sarah
sarobah wrote:Kyle wrote:I have no idea how it would be natural to be turned on by being tied up...
From an evolutionary standpoint, I guess it would not be a particularly useful “strategy†for natural selection.
Kyle wrote:I wasn't really implying anything about evolution in my statement. Being bound is not something you come across naturally, it's artificial.
Kyle wrote:I wasn't really implying anything about evolution in my statement. Being bound is not something you come across naturally, it's artificial.
Kyle wrote:You completely missed the point of what I was saying. Wheels were invented. They aren't natural. No one was born knowing how to invent the wheel, they acquired that knowledge over time. Somebody apparently was born with the ability to do it, but they didn't come out of the womb knowing how to invent a wheel.
You really, really stretched what we're talking about to use spiders and caterpillars as an example.
I agree completely with your #2 point, but that wasn't really what we were discussing. I don't think anyone here would disagree with that, otherwise they wouldn't be here.
Jason Toddman wrote:Kyle wrote:You completely missed the point of what I was saying. Wheels were invented. They aren't natural. No one was born knowing how to invent the wheel, they acquired that knowledge over time. Somebody apparently was born with the ability to do it, but they didn't come out of the womb knowing how to invent a wheel.
You really, really stretched what we're talking about to use spiders and caterpillars as an example.
I agree completely with your #2 point, but that wasn't really what we were discussing. I don't think anyone here would disagree with that, otherwise they wouldn't be here.
No you completely missed MY point. No one was born knowing how to invent the wheel. But people were born with the smarts so that eventually someone *could* invent the wheel, and then writing, and so on. Also though, I said the wheel was an invention. My point was that something that is not natural by your definition is not necessarily bad. You sound like you feel otherwise.
Fetishes per se may may not be something we are born with - but desire is. All fetishes are simply certain strong desires we've developed in life; usually in childhood. Whether born with it or learned at an early age, who cares? They're just as real and as valid either way.
As for stretching things with the spiders and caterpillars, by whose definition? Yours?
Quit telling people you don't agree with that they're stretching things will you? It's getting really, really annoying having you call my (or anyone's) opinions valueless.
Scottstud94 wrote:Caterpillars and Spiders into TUGS? I am hoping my new hamster will be into bondage as well! This conversation is officially off-track. As for the real question... I believe you are born with them and as you grow up they come out or regress.
fratboydanny wrote:now, what i really want to know is how Sarobah taught her brother the ropes.....please, please tell.
Kyle wrote:I wasn't really implying anything about evolution in my statement.
Jason Toddman wrote:Scottstud94 wrote:Caterpillars and Spiders into TUGS? I am hoping my new hamster will be into bondage as well! This conversation is officially off-track. As for the real question... I believe you are born with them and as you grow up they come out or regress.
That last was exacty the point I was trying to make, Scottstud94.. Thank you.
As for Kyle, your constant carping about things being off topic is what I refer to when saying you seem to find other peoples' opinions valueless. Your suggestion about maybe my not commenting on these threads is just another example of this, ans is NOT appreciated.
A spider ties things up. I never said its motivation was the same. A caterpilar ties itself up. Same thing, different motivation.
Also, it was a joke. Develop a sense of humor, will you?
And throwing what I said about disagreements back at me doesn't invalidate what I said. Don't be a hippocrite.
And as for "For someone who doesn't want others to tell him what to do or think or act you sure have an issue doing that yourself to others" - how do you figure I am doing that, other than to ask you to stop dissing other people?
sarobah wrote:Kyle wrote:I wasn't really implying anything about evolution in my statement.
I confess I was being facetious.
~ Sarah
snobound wrote:Kyle wrote:I wasn't really implying anything about evolution in my statement. Being bound is not something you come across naturally, it's artificial.
Yes, the actual application of restraint is indeed artificial. However, I believe the driving instinct behind these desires to be quite natural. Bondage is just the physical manifestation of these urges.
Kyle wrote:[As for the whole deal about telling others what to do, I think your comments on the thread about where to buy toys and such (forgot the actual thread title) is a pretty good example of that.
Jason Toddman wrote:Kyle wrote:[As for the whole deal about telling others what to do, I think your comments on the thread about where to buy toys and such (forgot the actual thread title) is a pretty good example of that.
WTF?!?
What you quoted from me was me answering a question suggesting where the questioner (Josh) could find supplies.
What you implied earlier on the other hand is that I try to order people around. This is hardly the same thing. I certainly wasn't giving Josh orders, now was I?!
fratboydanny wrote:thanks, Sara, for the links. those stories are great and i loved seeing how you younger brother was involved. that had to be fun.
as for the topic at hand, what if a guy or girl starts to self pleasure themselves to the thought of Tugs not even knowing what they are doing. but, by the time they learn what they are doing they realize that whenever they self pleasure, they are ALWAYS doing it to the thought of Tugs either by themselves or thinking about being in a Tug with another person. so, is this learned or are they born with it?
i can ask this question because "protected" as i was, this was my situation.
Kyle wrote:Jason Toddman wrote:Kyle wrote:[As for the whole deal about telling others what to do, I think your comments on the thread about where to buy toys and such (forgot the actual thread title) is a pretty good example of that.
WTF?!?
What you quoted from me was me answering a question suggesting where the questioner (Josh) could find supplies.
What you implied earlier on the other hand is that I try to order people around. This is hardly the same thing. I certainly wasn't giving Josh orders, now was I?!
"Ordering" is a bit strong of a word here, but you definitely told him what he needed to start doing.