## Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by SolidSnickerdoodle » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:15 pm

Well, I did it. I got on that side of the internet again. The side that is home to millions of triggered social justice warriors, radical feminists, and lord knows how many double standards.
Today's issue comes from the minds over at Bustle.com where, in what could barely be called an article, a feminist attempts to make a case for why sexism against men doesn't exist, and takes it a step further by claiming that anyone who believes there is is simply ignorant of the definition of sexism. Also, yes, I did read the entire post, and no, it's not click bait or meant to be ironic.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/71400-6-reasons-men-can-literally-never-be-victims-of-sexism-and-those-who-think-they
The long and short of it is that men cannot be victims of sexism because, according to this person, sexism and discrimination are not the same. Yes, that's right. Despite what you've heard from Webster's Dictionary, Google, and most people throughout your life, it would seem that sexism is not actually discrimination based on sex. No no no.
According to this person, sexism must be institutionalized to be valid. It must be deeply woven in how society operates, and therefor only women can truly claim sexism because of THE PATRIARCHY. Triggered. And wouldn't you know it? The author is a woman. How convenient. She then goes on to say that sexism on an individual scale does not exist. For example, if a person says "I don't like you because you are a man", that's not sexist in her opinion because men have always held the power in society. However, I suppose if one was to say the same about a woman then it would be completely valid, at least by her standards.
This is the type of garbage that more than mildly infuriates me. There's always going to be the 1% with extremely outlandish views and access to the internet, and it's probably not healthy for me to focus too much on those cases, but the fact that anyone would buy into this stuff irritates me greatly.
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Jason Toddman » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:58 pm

Having worked in several offices staffed primarily by women, I can assure that sexism against men does indeed exist. And many times the women can be more petty and abusive than any man i have ever seen.
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by fluffymammal » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:48 am

> SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:This is the type of garbage that more than mildly infuriates me. There's always going to be the 1% with extremely outlandish views and access to the internet, and it's probably not healthy for me to focus too much on those cases, but the fact that anyone would buy into this stuff irritates me greatly.

Well, that's one of the problems introduced by the Internet. Communication has become easier - and that means that said people with "extremely outlandish views" are more likely to run into each other. This can be seen on the comments of just about any news post on Facebook, especially when the subject matter is remotely political at all (Facebook tried to make it neater with nested replies but it's not really helping).
Or, another common phenomenon is that said people with "extremely outlandish views" find other people with the same views and congregate in "safe havens" - what you aptly called that side of the Internet, e.g. Tumblr (to me at least, maybe the views expressed on Tumblr are not as outlandish to you).

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Oohmynameisblue » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:43 pm

This person does know sexes are inclusive of males as well as females, right?

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by SolidSnickerdoodle » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:43 am

> Oohmynameisblue wrote:This person does know sexes are inclusive of males as well as females, right?

Yes, but within the first paragraph the author tries to redefine sexism to better suit her narrative. She claims that individual cases of discrimination based on sex are not sexist (even though discrimination based on sex is literally the definition of sexism) and that for discrimination to qualify as sexism it must be institutionalized. Now that the twisted groundwork has been set, this allows her to segway into a load of other points, ultimately invalidating men's right to to complain because we are "privileged".
My guess is that she's the type of person who would also claim that racism against white people does not exist because minorities are the victims of institutionalized oppression and white privilege, and white people hold all the cards.
Seriously. The irony is strong with this one. Here we have a group of people that are convinced (at least the loudest ones are) that there is a faction of men that are actively doing everything in their power to oppress and silence women. And in the same article the author dismisses male concerns and male sexism as "rich white guy tears" because we've apparently "won the genetic lottery" and have had everything handed to us. More than anything this seems like a tool that (some) women are using to silence anybody that might disagree with them, which ironically is the very thing they're supposed to be fighting against.
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Oohmynameisblue » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:29 pm

> SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:

> > Oohmynameisblue wrote:This person does know sexes are inclusive of males as well as females, right?

> Yes, but within the first paragraph the author tries to redefine sexism to better suit her narrative. She claims that individual cases of discrimination based on sex are not sexist (even though discrimination based on sex is literally the definition of sexism) and that for discrimination to qualify as sexism it must be institutionalized. Now that the twisted groundwork has been set, this allows her to segway into a load of other points ultimately invalidating men's right to to complain because as men we are "privileged".
> My guess is that she's the type of person who would also claim that racism against white people does not exist because minorities are the victims of institutionalized oppression and white privilege, and white people hold all the cards.
> Seriously. The irony is strong with this one. Here we have a group of people that are convinced (at least the loudest ones are) that there is a faction of men that are actively doing everything in their power to oppress and silence women. And in the same article the author dismisses male concerns and male sexism as "rich white guy tears" because we've apparently "won the genetic lottery" and have had everything handed to us. More than anything this seems like a tool that (some) women are using to silence anybody that might disagree with them, which ironically is the very thing they're supposed to be fighting against.

I'm not disagreeing with you, by the way.
I audibly laughed at the phrase 'genetic lottery'. Like, a big glass ball thingy full of different sperm. Congratulations, you're a female! Lol
Let's make meninism a thing. Just because historically women were given certain disadvantages doesn't mean they should go "these people haven't been very nice to us, so let's deny problems are happening to them". She's probably on benefits getting paid to write hate.

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by elanshof » Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:52 pm

> SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:

> > Oohmynameisblue wrote:This person does know sexes are inclusive of males as well as females, right?

> Yes, but within the first paragraph the author tries to redefine sexism to better suit her narrative. She claims that individual cases of discrimination based on sex are not sexist (even though discrimination based on sex is literally the definition of sexism) and that for discrimination to qualify as sexism it must be institutionalized. Now that the twisted groundwork has been set, this allows her to segway into a load of other points, ultimately invalidating men's right to to complain because we are "privileged".
> My guess is that she's the type of person who would also claim that racism against white people does not exist because minorities are the victims of institutionalized oppression and white privilege, and white people hold all the cards.
> Seriously. The irony is strong with this one. Here we have a group of people that are convinced (at least the loudest ones are) that there is a faction of men that are actively doing everything in their power to oppress and silence women. And in the same article the author dismisses male concerns and male sexism as "rich white guy tears" because we've apparently "won the genetic lottery" and have had everything handed to us. More than anything this seems like a tool that (some) women are using to silence anybody that might disagree with them, which ironically is the very thing they're supposed to be fighting against.

You live in a country where legislative bodies made up of mostly men actively try to restrict women's health care choices at every possible turn.
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by SolidSnickerdoodle » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:22 am

> elanshof wrote:You live in a country where legislative bodies made up of mostly men actively try to restrict women's health care choices at every possible turn.

Could you be more specific in regards to which legislative bodies, what specific women's healthcare choices are in question, and how they're being restricted at every possible turn?
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by elanshof » Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:48 am

> SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:

> > elanshof wrote:You live in a country where legislative bodies made up of mostly men actively try to restrict women's health care choices at every possible turn.

> Could you be more specific in regards to which legislative bodies, what specific women's healthcare choices are in question, and how they're being restricted at every possible turn?

State legislatures have been on a streak of passing laws aimed at limiting access to abortion, stripping funding from Planned Parenthood (even though abortion services are a tiny percentage of what they do), etc. Granted, they've been overturned when challenged in court, but it's still done fairly consistently, notably in Texas and Ohio.
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by SolidSnickerdoodle » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:20 am

> elanshof wrote:

> > SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:

> > > elanshof wrote:You live in a country where legislative bodies made up of mostly men actively try to restrict women's health care choices at every possible turn.

> > Could you be more specific in regards to which legislative bodies, what specific women's healthcare choices are in question, and how they're being restricted at every possible turn?

> State legislatures have been on a streak of passing laws aimed at limiting access to abortion. Granted, they've been overturned when challenged in court, but it's still done fairly consistently, notably in Texas and Ohio.

So, if the main issue here seems to be state legislatures barring attempts at abortions, then don't you think it's an exaggeration to paint this as men actively trying to restrict women's health care choices at every turn? Because those are two very different statements.
Granted, men do make up a larger majority than women in state level government, clocking in at about 75.5% compared to women at 24.4%, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
However, claiming that this fact, coupled with the legal actions of a few prominent states, which you listed, is reflective of men's efforts to restrict women's health care choices is a vast misrepresentation. I'm sure there are men among these groups, as well as women, who oppose abortion simply for moral and ethical reasons, not out of patriarchal superiority or oppression (which I assume was your thought judging by the piece of text in my post that you chose to highlight).
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Kyle » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:58 pm

> elanshof wrote:
> You live in a country where legislative bodies made up of mostly men actively try to restrict women's health care choices at every possible turn.

Well, people, this means clearly men can't experience sexism.
I'm ignoring the fact men and women are about equally as likely to be either pro-life or pro-choice, and this statement greatly oversimplifies the issue, because even if it was true, it does nothing to disprove the possibility of sexism.

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by MisterBones » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:00 pm

But guyyyyys, all white cis males are rapists and misogynistic it's true I read it on the tumbler dot com
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by .... » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:50 pm

Hehe... oh boy this made me laugh a bit gotta admit. but the truth is indeed that Sexism against men doses exist. you know i've acctualy realised that in the 21th century we Womans have more right's than men... or at least that's what it is back in france. for exemple in the law a woman will allways have a slight avantage on a man in an afair as she is considered naturally as the less evil. why? for cultural reasons first for pitty and sallary reasons and just because we are girls... i know it might sound not seriously tooken when you read it but trust me i had a friend in an affair who got recked just because it was a man vs a woman and the juge pleeded in favor of the woman just because... she was female and wouldn't be able to repay as much money as the man as she had the exact same sallary and more!
All i'm saying is that maybe men gave us womans a little to much rights making some other stupid females think they are better than males. i personally want male and females to be equal in society and life.

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by SolidSnickerdoodle » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:16 am

> MisterBones wrote:But guyyyyys, all white cis males are rapists and misogynistic it's true I read it on the tumbler dot com
> :^)

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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Oohmynameisblue » Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:31 pm

> SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:

> > MisterBones wrote:But guyyyyys, all white cis males are rapists and misogynistic it's true I read it on the tumbler dot com
> > :^)

Is he on a plane or some shit lol

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Rachel M » Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:31 pm

> SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:So, if the main issue here seems to be state legislatures barring attempts at abortions, then don't you think it's an exaggeration to paint this as men actively trying to restrict women's health care choices at every turn? Because those are two very different statements.

It's not, as no one would ever dream of infringing on a man's bodily autonomy or punishing them for sexual activity the same way.
I'll just sum up the rest of this thread and its' strange attacks against the straw feminists in the closet here:

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by wataru14 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:54 am

Rachel M is my spirit animal.

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by SolidSnickerdoodle » Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:28 am

> Rachel M wrote:

> > SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:So, if the main issue here seems to be state legislatures barring attempts at abortions, then don't you think it's an exaggeration to paint this as men actively trying to restrict women's health care choices at every turn? Because those are two very different statements.

> It's not, as no one would ever dream of infringing on a man's bodily autonomy or punishing them for sexual activity the same way.

I really wish this thread hadn't gone down this road, considering that the focus of my post was on an incorrect and self-serving definition of sexism.
However, if you're going to make the claim that "no one would ever dream of infringing on a man's bodily autonomy", then I would ask to consider the millions of male babies who have been and will be circumcised mere minutes after their birth. Despite the fact that genital mutilation against women is seen as a terrible offense and is punishable by law (which it should be), male circumcision continues to be a routine and commonplace practice, even though there is little to no medical reasoning to support it.
If you're is going to talk about bodily autonomy, that is the concept that one has control over their body and what happens to it, then you can't claim that is is never infringed upon in men. I didn't sign up for this.
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Rachel M » Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:20 am

> SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:However, if you're going to make the claim that "no one would ever dream of infringing on a man's bodily autonomy", then I would ask to consider the millions of male babies who have been and will be circumcised

oh God, you're one of those. Hate to be the one to tell you, but comparing the loss of foreskin as an infant to being forced to carry a child to term, even at the risk of your own life, even when pregnant due to rape, etc etc isn't exactly making you sound less irrational or misogynist.

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Kyle » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:46 pm

> SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:I really wish this thread hadn't gone down this road, considering that the focus of my post was on an incorrect and self-serving definition of sexism.

It wouldn't be a discussion about something like sexism on the Internet without a "but we have it so much worse because of this and this and this" getting brought up.

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by SolidSnickerdoodle » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:09 pm

> Kyle wrote:It wouldn't be a discussion about something like sexism on the Internet without a "but we have it so much worse because of this and this and this" getting brought up.

Unfortunately, that is usually the way it goes.
It shouldn't be about who has it worse though. Anyone can be racist, sexist, ageist, or what have you. And don't let anyone excuse discrimination by telling you otherwise.
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by 31acujoker » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:55 pm

Men are sexist towards women, women are sexist towards men...
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Oohmynameisblue » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:21 pm

IMHO, this is worse.
http://www.pambazuka.org/governance/black-people-can’t-be-racist
Worse still, I saw the exact same "prejudice" argument on other sides. It's less common but that shouldn't mean it cannot happen.

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by zetastrophenow » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:37 pm

Welp, it's official: Everybody above me who says "no, our side is in the right" are, by definition, massive assholes. As thus, there's a guy name Caleb who's wants to learn how to be a gigantic asshole, can anyone of the interlopers give him some tips?

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Steak in a Tree » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:56 pm

> zetastrophenow wrote:Welp, it's official: Everybody above me who says "no, our side is in the right" are, by definition, massive assholes. As thus, there's a guy name Caleb who's wants to learn how to be a gigantic asshole, can anyone of the interlopers give him some tips?

No, defending your opinion does not make you a massive asshole. Trying to cram your opinion down other's throats and belittling them because of their different opinions makes you a massive asshole.
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by zetastrophenow » Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:02 pm

> Steak in a Tree wrote:

> > zetastrophenow wrote:Welp, it's official: Everybody above me who says "no, our side is in the right" are, by definition, massive assholes. As thus, there's a guy name Caleb who's wants to learn how to be a gigantic asshole, can anyone of the interlopers give him some tips?

> No, defending your opinion does not make you a massive asshole. Trying to cram your opinion down other's throats and belittling them because of their different opinions makes you a massive asshole.

And... what was actually happening up there? Because I saw too much bashing for a "defense" in several paragraphs.

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Steak in a Tree » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:22 pm

Was there a little bit of bashing? Of course, this is an internet debate. Generally people tend to be more outspoken when there's a lower chance of repercussion, which is the case here.
Do I agree with everything that was said, or how it was presented? No. But again, that's the internet, you can't please everyone.
Long story short, not everyone was being an asshole, but a couple things could have been phrased differently.
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### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by zetastrophenow » Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:45 am

Maybe, but that still doesn't help that a lot of the things said up there sound pretty asshole-ish.

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by BoundBoyBeta » Thu Sep 08, 2016 12:38 pm

This is just as bad as the whole "rape only happens to women" arguments.
Admittedly, statistically speaking certainly it happens far more to women, but that is not the same as only to women... Not even close to.
On a slighty unrelated note it is strange how men are often seen as the so called "bad guys" in divorces even though in some cases there is huge amounts of evidence showing the opposite... An example close to me is a male filing for a divorce due to it "not working out" though later he stated the real reason. Both of them having very similar salary and jobs (co-owning the same company in-fact) Even though the woman spent a large portion of time drunk, which was the main reason for said divorce, the male was sued a small fortune for ruining the woman's reputation by accusing her of being "a drunk" as apparently this not true. It is worth noting the woman lost their licence less than a month prior due to being pulled over multiple times for drunk driving.
Sexism exists both ways in our fucked up world, often because something is the "usual" it is seen as the only way something can happen.
Wow I can't believe I got involved in one of THESE arguments...

### Re: Apparently sexism against men doesn't exist

Post by Oohmynameisblue » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:04 am

Let's continue the debate in the YouTube comment section cos this is getting fucking ugly.