Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Lake Lover » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:37 pm

This seems the only section in the TUGS site which can reasonably accommodate the numerous acrimonious postings boiling up in the PG-17 story, The Mansion, by Scotstud94. So, I will post my contribution here, hopefully to divert future related comments off onto this spur to wither in this wasteland.

My mother told the following true story of having a major argument with her best girl friend when they were in their early teens. All of their friends and families thought the spat was foolish and blown way out of proportion. But the girls persisted in refusing to speak to each other, of badmouthing each other, and giving each other the evil eyes if they crossed paths in school. This was serious business. They were so obnoxious to each other that their acquaintances started to avoid them rather than expose themselves to their rudeness.

Desperate for a solution, the parents of the two girls got an idea. They enlisted the help of another girl who was friendly to both of the feuders, She invited each girl to her home on a Saturday morning, without revealing the other girl would also be present. When the girls came together, the parents of each grabbed their child, and forced both into a bathroom where they locked them together. They were warned that they would stay there until they apologized to each other and to their friends and family.

After a couple hours there began to be more amiable conversation heard thru the door. Then they began to laugh. Soon they were let out. My mother and her friend were dear friends until they passed about 70 years later. Maybe those things happen only in Auburn, Maine, eh JasonToddman?

Now, if we could just get Mickeybound and Scotstud94 bound together, somehow....
Maybe back-to-back?

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Lake Lover » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:25 am

Its an argument that can have no winner. Its time for SCOT AND MICKEY TO MAN UP AND SIMPLY DROP IT.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:10 am

Lake Lover wrote:Maybe those things happen only in Auburn, Maine, eh JasonToddman?

Well, maybe not. I recall something similar that happened to me once. I already wrote a story about this once, but to receap:
One time a hispanic kid moved into the area where I lived down the road from me. I met him while visiting a couple of friends (brothers) who lived along the same road. An innocent remark i made was misunderstood as racist, caused him to fly off the handle and made him extremely mad at me; and immediately there was bad blood between us.
Buy my friends had a solution. They were a couple of my TUGs partners, so the younger one of them tied me up while i was at home. The older one did the same with the hispanic boy and brought him to my house along a backtrail between their house and mine; laying him down right beside me. And then the two of them reasoned with the two of us while we were both gagged and unable to talk back. Finally we realized the other wasn't so bad and finally we made up - well, after a little threat of torture induced us to try.
Eventually we got to know each other and had our own TUGs together (he apparently had an intense foot fetish too!) occasionally for the next two years.
This also happened in Maine. Not in Auburn though.
However, the incident I describe in my story To Grandmother's house We Go did take place in Auburn Maine.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby mikeybound » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:27 am

Believe me, nothing would make me happier than to end this. In fact, for me it's pretty much over. Scottstud just can't seem to stop taking offense to my very presence on a thread. It seems he won't be happy until I'm banned from this site, and even then I've heard that he's taken offense to other members. I really am worried about his happiness.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Scottstud94 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:14 pm

mikeybound wrote:Believe me, nothing would make me happier than to end this. In fact, for me it's pretty much over. Scottstud just can't seem to stop taking offense to my very presence on a thread. It seems he won't be happy until I'm banned from this site, and even then I've heard that he's taken offense to other members. I really am worried about his happiness.


Ok clown. You're the only one I've taken offense too on this site. Just more complaints. I plan to continue the story but not in any way that will appease Complainy errr Mikey

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby NemesisPrime » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:32 pm

Scottstud94 wrote:
mikeybound wrote:Believe me, nothing would make me happier than to end this. In fact, for me it's pretty much over. Scottstud just can't seem to stop taking offense to my very presence on a thread. It seems he won't be happy until I'm banned from this site, and even then I've heard that he's taken offense to other members. I really am worried about his happiness.


Ok clown. You're the only one I've taken offense too on this site. Just more complaints. I plan to continue the story but not in any way that will appease Mikey.

Scott, you're lashing out again. I still do not understand why you hate him and to my knowledge the only one who has kept this going has been YOU. Not Mikey.

This animosity with Mikey has been rather one-sided and just because your tastes do not match up with his doesn't mean he's complaining alright and Mikey is on record trying to improve and has encouraged you to continue.

I'm growing concerned for your happiness. More than you know but for all our sakes drop this grudge as it's not healthy.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:01 pm

I totally agree with NemesisPrime.
Scottstud, your reply to Mikeybound was less than gracious and definitely does not help the situation any; regardless of how much you may think you've been wronged.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:06 pm

meri20098 wrote:I really think this whole thing is ridiculous...-_-

Well, I must say I agree with you too.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby mikeybound » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:18 pm

I third that statement

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Lake Lover » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:43 pm

Good! I sense an armistice. I couldn't be happier. I have always enjoyed both of you guys, and your contributions to TUGS have been thrilling.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Scottstud94 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:01 pm

An armistice would be fair. He stops complaining on these boards, and I drop the feud. Seems fair right? Everybody wins then.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:16 pm

Ummm... actually Scottstud, I'm not quite sure that is fair.
Granted, I have gotten annoyed with some of mikeybound's comments myself, but - well... i kind of think he had a valid point about the part of the story involving a butt plug being used on an under-aged boy. Not that *I* objected to it (as long as we're talking about fiction of course!), but I think it was a legitimate point of concern. If i hadn't, I wouldn't have brought it up to you in the first place.
I agree that mikeybound does complain a lot about minor stuff, and it gets on my nerves too sometimes. But he does have a right to speak his mind. Though perhaps he could phrase his concerns with somewhat greater care and forethought. He's not the only one on this board who had expressed such concerns either - at least, to me. Not about your story but one of mine depicting underaged and somewhat under-dressed boys portrayed in certain non-sexual but still rather unusual situations.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby mikeybound » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:43 pm

Do we have to use the term armistice? It lends the whole thing a...dignity, it doesn't deserve.
How about we just agree that this entire thing escalated beyond reason, and leave it at that. Scottstud? I am not a bad person. I've been nitpicky and insensitive, but I've always had the best intentions. Now I'm trying to mellow out. Please keep writing the Mansion story. Just be open to advice and criticism. No one here is trying to attack you.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby drawscore » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:51 pm

There was a time when I grew (annoyed / peeved / irked / pissed off)(choose one) with another member of the board, but we seem to have put it behind us, and now, we even have civil conversations. I won't say we are "fast friends," but there is a mutual respect between us. (Or, at least, I think so.)

As for butt plugs used on underaged boys, I, also, would have expressed concern. Let's keep the "adult stuff" confined to adults. But then the "R" or "X" rated stories/posts do not interest me, so I generally skip them. Thus, I am not aware of what goes on in those categories, unless they are brought to another topic which I do read, like this one.

Perhaps a three man arbitration team, consisting of a member selected by each of the principals in this set-to, and the third, agreed upon by both, might be helpful in putting this to rest. And conduct it through PM's, so the rest of us don't get caught up in it.

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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Scottstud94 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:38 am

I stand by my previous statement. He's being unreasonable at this point.

He stops complaining on these boards, and I drop the feud. Everybody wins then.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:47 am

Scottstud94 wrote:I stand by my previous statement. He's being unreasonable at this point.

Really? How do you figure? His last coupole of posts here sound perfectly reasonable to me.
It sounds to me Scottstud that the one being unreasonable here and now is you.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Scottstud94 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:00 am

No. He's just putting on an act and he'll be back complaining about everybody's stories after this is over. I don't want him to ruin more stories because his complaints make authors not want to write anymore. So not sure how that deal isn't fair. Any sane person would've stopped complaining at this point anyway. He's rude in private messaging, rude when he complains about stories, and is trying to manipulate you all with his sob story.

I stand by my offer. That's fair, if he mans up and accepts it this discussion is over.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby xtc » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:02 am

That's not fair (the suggestion that one member stops complaining anywhere on the board). OK, so perhaps Mikeybound does complain when he thinks it is justified. He also comments appreciatvely and supports other writers very frequently. Who else can say the same?

Every member has his/her right to express concern when they think it is appropriate. Indeed, I had to do so when a Nazi racist was posting on this site. My concerns were pooh-poohed because the Mods considered him to be simply someone expressing his opinions. I then stopped expressing my concerns. I was wrong! The guy was eventually banned as a pornographer. There is no accusation implied in this post; it is simply an example of what can happen if such concerns are ignored. It is also an example of what can happen if those with concerns stop expressing those concerns.

Surely no member has the right to stop another expressing his/her opinion unless it transgresses board rules? If anybody wants such power, I hope they put their hat in the ring when Zanev put out his recent call for Mods. I also hope he had a good laugh and binned the application.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Scottstud94 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:04 am

Example: story - fun fair trap


Re: Funfair Trap: House of Horrors m/m/m
by bondwriter ยป Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:41 pm
Typos are spelling, not grammar. There have been enough stories killed by this poster and his snide remarks (Mikeybound), and this one came across as such. Do proceed, jak2002003.
bondwriter

This poor author, Jak2002003 was so done with Mikeybound that story was killed as bond writer mentioned

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Scottstud94 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:20 am

mikeybound wrote:
Well, Brad's obviously a sociopath.
I would appreciate it if you just considered something for future chapters. It's obvious that Steve is in hell, basically. He does not desire any of this. Perhaps he can eventually just snap? Behave in such an extreme way that Nick shows genuine remorse, and not 'be nice for 5 minutes and then get back to torturing'. Make him think about his so called friends happiness, and what he wants.

Also here is a post on BondageFreax great story. Note the "I would appreciate it..."
It's purely trying to manipulate bondagefreak to change his story to fit Mikeybound's insane needs. I could pull out many more examples.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Judge Toddman, I rest my case. Mikeybound's complaints have caused board users suffering for far too long, including the killing of many stories, and the unwillingness of authors to continue to write.

The prosecution believes that Mikeybound should stop these complaints for the good of the board. *sets down briefcase*
*Courtroom erupts in applause and cheers*

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:23 am

Scott, imo you're literally making mountains out of molehills.
mikeybound made one single, if rather blunt, comment that the grammar was 'a bit sloppy'. He said nothing else critical anywhere in that topic.
You fail to point out that in fact he complimented the story previously - more than once - encouraging the writer to continue.
You also fail to point out that another respected and active member of this board agreed more tactfully that the grammar could use some work before certain other commentors made him apologize.
How do you know the writer quite because of this comment? Did he tell you so himself? There is no indication at the post itself of his reaction; he simply stopped writing and hasn't even visited the site in over a week.
Finally, what does this have to do with you, here and now? This other business should be between Mikeybound and Jak2002003. If Jak is that put off by a single (if admittedly tactless) comment, he's way too sensitive about criticism to be a writer anyway. As a former professional editor, I've had to be far more bluntly critical of an author's works than that by far!
Oh, and your last post that you typed as i worked on this is a little too self-congratulatory to be at all tasteful.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:32 am

So Mikeybound made a suggestion. He said he'd appreciate it if BF considered such and such. Sure, not terribly complimentaryt, but... Jeez Lousie. Scott, you are being utterly ridiculous!!!
If you want to offer counter-comments that disagree with Mikeybound, fine. If you want to point out to him that he should comment in a less obnoxious way, also fine. But saying Mikeybound needs to be quiet and never comment, NOT fine!!!
If Jak or Bondagefreak have a problem with mikeybound, let them deal with it. Deal with your own problems with him, or PM one of us mods if you have a real problem to discuss. But this feud is imo now much more your fault than it is his. I've rarely seen anyone carry a grudge like you are doing, and it is ugly. And i for one am getting sick of it.
Dare to be different... and make a difference.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Scottstud94 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:12 am

"But saying Mikeybound needs to be quiet and never comment, NOT fine!!!"

I never said he had to stop commenting or be quiet. Just stop complaining :)

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:38 am

Whatever. Still not cool.
I agree he complains too readily, should restrict his comments to something worthwhile and perhaps should choose his words with much more care and more constructively. Remember, he commented on one of my stories a while back that got me all worked out and bent out of shape. But I didn't react anywhere near as negatively as you seem to be doing. And his worst comments aren't half as disturbing to me as yours about him have been lately.
This isn't just about mikeybound anymore. You seem to be developing a vendetta. And as the Lake Lover has aptly phrased it in titling this forum, it's nauseating and helping no one.
My best advice is to just drop it, continue your story (or not; your choice), and deal with any further comments from Mikeybound on an individual basis if and when they occur.
Bottom Line: If you can't handle a little criticism, and also consider its source, why even write for people in the first place?
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby mikeybound » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:10 am

I really am sorry about how I come across. I'm not exactly the most tactful person, and have the urge to say everything that's on my mind. I've never insisted anybody write any way. I've offered suggestions, and left that butplug detail in the hands of the forum moderators.
Now Scottstud. Would you mind explaining why you've made zero mention of my more positive aspects, besides calling it manipulation? Could you explain why you believe that I am a plague that is destroying this forum when it is thriving, and you are literally the only writer I've criticized who threw a shitstorm? Do you have anything to say about the people who criticized that Game of Tugs ripoff and seemingly broke the authors will to contribute here?
You turn suggestions into demands, disappearances into victims, and created this entire fantasy where I'm the big bad troll who needs to be slain. This problem ends with you. Now.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby chadmc90 » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:56 pm

Scottstud, PLEASE find a way to make mends with Mikeybound. As it has been stated before, this vandetta is not healthy, and is slowing destroying your reputation on this board. I would like to see you go back to writing again, as does everyone else. I see no further reason to carry this hate any longer.

mikeybound wrote: Do you have anything to say about the people who criticized that Game of Tugs ripoff and seemingly broke the authors will to contribute here?

Well I myself chose to avoid the topic(publicly). It's true I was a bit annoyed with the author, but I never wanted him to just up and quit posting because of it.
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Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Lake Lover » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:09 pm

Seriously. Do something positive! What is so hard about just saying, "I am sorry that this has preoccupied so many members for so long. I will have no more to say about this particular matter." There is enough blame to go around. Why don't we all just leave it right there.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby alebcay » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:51 pm

I think this feud has reached the point at which a compromise is impossible. In fact, the only way this is going to diffuse is if either or (preferably) both parties admit fault. Maybe it's time to let the ego down a bit.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Scottstud94 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:15 pm

And I will not admit fault because I have done no wrong.

Re: Nauseating Feud Between Fellow TUGers

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:55 pm

alebcay wrote:I think this feud has reached the point at which a compromise is impossible. In fact, the only way this is going to diffuse is if either or (preferably) both parties admit fault. Maybe it's time to let the ego down a bit.

Or maybe we should let the whole nasty thing drop and forget about it, and hope the combatants here eventually do the same. :|
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