Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby chadmc90 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:21 pm

Ok, for those that were not following the topic in "Jump In the Fire" section, some of us were discussing this site's current Hall of Fame. Here is a link to the thread, but please keep your comments concerning the Hall of Fame to this topic.

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So anyway, we have been discussing a voting system for inducting stories into the Hall of Fame. Currently, the HOF hasn't been updated in a LONG time and some of us were thinking that stories should be elected periodically to be inducted. These stories are nominated by readers to the moderators and admins. They then post a poll giving the community a chance to vote on their favorite stories. The 1 or 2 stories with the most votes will gain a place in the Hall of Fame and the author will gain an award(like a special title or something).

Again, this rose out of the above topic. What do you guys think about the idea?
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby skybird137 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:09 pm

By this system, a good writer of long stories who has integrity but doesn't have that many followers will get nowhere, while someone who writes a sub-par short tale wins because he canvasses and spams everyone to vote for him.

It wouldn't be a hall of fame, just a popularity contest.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby bondagefreak » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:59 pm

skybird137 wrote:By this system, a good writer of long stories who has integrity but doesn't have that many followers will get nowhere, while someone who writes a sub-par short tale wins because he canvasses and spams everyone to vote for him.

It wouldn't be a hall of fame, just a popularity contest.


The system used to nominate a title and elect a story, would be no different from the monthly story contest we had here.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby chadmc90 » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:14 pm

Although I didn't mention it before, this post is supposed to collect ideas from other users/writers. I just think that the current hall of fame has definite room for improvement. So please feel free to make suggestions.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby zanev » Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:20 pm

If it were up to me there would be no hall of fame, it's something canuck is in charge of and it came from the old site. I don't really want to mess with it with out his opinion.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby bondagefreak » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:01 pm

I have sent canuck100 a message in an attempt to draw his attention towards this subject.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby xtc » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:47 pm

OK Let's not call it a Hall of Fame.
How about a Colour Roll? I know it is possible to give a member a colour appropriate to his/her role on the site. I wonder if it would be possible to get the title of a specific work highlighted to indicated that it was special?
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby skybird137 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:01 pm

Could a new section appear in one of the groups? Perhaps Author's stories.

That way, each author can create a thread, and he can add more posts with links to each new story. It can be a pain trying to find some stories with the search engine, and it would be nice to find the author's thread and get to the story via a link there.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby xtc » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:10 pm

Whilst I agree with Skybird (It had to happen eventually), I think it would be better to keep on topic. Let's deal with on thing at once.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby bondagefreak » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:26 pm

I don't think this is a bad idea, but I also don't quite see the relation between this and the proposed HoF project.
The proposed project, is at it's core, an attempt to stop wonderful stories from collecting dust in the forum archives.
We have long, elaborate and highly detailed tales here...works that deserve better than to be forgotten.

Authors like "Barefootethan" come to mind.

Since the forum already holds a HoF, it would seem logical to build up on it, IMO.

I do, however, like the idea forwarded by "xtc".
But even this option does not rule out the need for some democracy.
Regular polls would need to be held in order to decide which stories get the spotlight.

As for low voting rates, we can't do anything about that, but we shouldn't let it hinder the project.

We have a saying here that translates to something along the lines of "Take care of politics, or politics are gonna take care of you."
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby skybird137 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:40 pm

How about a Colour Roll? I know it is possible to give a member a colour appropriate to his/her role on the site. I wonder if it would be possible to get the title of a specific work highlighted to indicated that it was special?


That's a nice idea, perhaps the author should also have a special colour if desired.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby xtc » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:54 pm

The system swallowed the first version of this post so . . .
I am not proposing a special "pen" i which to confine the stories from the HoF or Colour Roll (Call it what you like but Canuck owns the Hof). The story competitions were a superb idea (can we have more?) but viewing figures demonstrate that it was probably not a good idea to confine them in their own special "pen" which doesn't seem to be visited that often.

IF IT IS POSSIBLE to colour the titles, they could stay in situ but readers' attention would be drawn to them. Allocating a special colour to the authors of HoF (or whatever) stories is, however, not a good idea. I think that, perhaps, certain of my stories MIGHT qualify for inclusion but certainly not all of them!
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby Tieup1 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:27 am

I think adding people to the HOF is a good idea, its got to be done properly though, perhaps on an annual basis.

There are some good story writers on this site, it would be nice to see their work recognised in some way.

I expect, as some others do, that the voting turnout would be low, but surely, thats not the point. If the stories are good enough, they should be included in th HOF.

Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby zanev » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:31 pm

What if we elected hall of fame members, and they would have a special section in the hall of fame forum to post their stories. I could move their past ones into it, but they will also be able to write any new stories in it.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby chadmc90 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:39 pm

zanev wrote:What if we elected hall of fame members, and they would have a special section in the hall of fame forum to post their stories. I could move their past ones into it, but they will also be able to write any new stories in it.


So instead of stories entering the Hall of Fame, members will? Hmm. That's definitely an interesting thought. I think we should place rules for electing members to the Hall of Fame, such as they have to of completed a story and/or have been a member for a certain length of time. Just some additional thoughts.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby zanev » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:55 pm

Its a new twist, we elect like 4 hall of fame members a year, people who have been here a long time, have a lot of posts and are active story posters.4 a year makes it so its an honor to be in the HOF.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby chadmc90 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:30 pm

So can you be more specific about the guidelines? Like how many posts will be required and how long constitutes a "long time"? But I do like your new proposal though. I'm sure several writers will be thrilled with this. I know I am.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby skybird137 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:57 pm

have a lot of posts


That would best be liked to the quality of the posts, as we don't want some people upping the post length of their stories by entering only a few sentences in order to 'qualify'.

I'm sure that Zanev understands this anyway and it would be one of the criteria, we just don't want people thinking they can qualify just by pulling this kind of stunt with the setup, should it happen.

Addon: As this will be a subjective decision anyway as to who would be placed into the HOF, we don't want people screaming "I should be in there" or "Your taste is wrong, my favourite author is not in there."
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby bondagefreak » Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:58 pm

I like this idea and I'm anxious to see how well it is received among our other writers.
It seems there's no going around the democratic system. Nominated members would need to be elected into the HoF.
The nomination list would no doubt be extensive. IMO, the main question would be how to proceed with the election.
Should we allow everyone to vote for a single nominee or would we each be allowed to vote for the four candidates we think should win?
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby zanev » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:20 am

The board can nominate anyone. I'll console with my mods and we will pick the winners based off who you all nominate As a side note we are adding 4-6 more mods soon so it won't be just 3 people deciding.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby bondagefreak » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:50 am

This is good news Zanev.
I'm glad to see this move forward.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby xtc » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:03 am

I must disagree with "induducting" PEOPLE into whatever we call it; all writers have an off-day. It would be better to have the best STORIES in there.

As I've said before, there is a danger of people missing stories if they are corralled into a special pen. We've seen that happen with the story competition entries. If we could find a way of pointing out to members trawling the site in their usual way that a certain story is worthy of note would be better.

I read what Zanev said and I'm glad he thinks it's a good idea and, as I said earlier, the increased number of Mods could, indeed, help with this. However, I am sure that the HoF (or whatever) will not be high on the list of his criteria for appointing new mods. We could end up with an unbalanced field of interest that didn't reflect the wide-ranging predilections of the members. Could people, perhaps, volunteer themselves (subject to veto of Admins and Mods) to be "librarians"?

There is more to say about criteria but I think that's enough for one post.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby zanev » Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:58 am

Peoples inability to see a section of the forum, especially one that is near the front of the page cannot be contributed to anything except lack of attention. Our site is not huge, and it isn't complicated. I don't know how people can miss an entire section.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby bondagefreak » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:07 am

Unfortunately, I think xtc's fears are not misplaced.
Members of this forum (and other forums) have shown an obvious difficulty in navigating the board.
For many, it's even a challenge to find stories that they commented on previously.
"View Active Topics" and "View your posts" are right up there, yet, a majority (it seems) of members make no use of them.

The more I think about the concerns raised by xtc, the more I tend to agree with him.
Putting works in a HoF SHOULD theoretically put them in the spotlight, but it won't work. Instead, I fear the viewership will decline and as a result, so will the feedback.

A rather sad situation honestly...
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby chadmc90 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:24 am

bondagefreak wrote:Unfortunately, I think xtc's fears are not misplaced.
Members of this forum (and other forums) have shown an obvious difficulty in navigating the board.
For many, it's even a challenge to find stories that they commented on previously.
"View Active Topics" and "View your posts" are right up there, yet, a majority (it seems) of members make no use of them.

The more I think about the concerns raised by xtc, the more I tend to agree with him.
Putting works in a HoF SHOULD theoretically put them in the spotlight, but it won't work. Instead, I fear the viewership will decline and as a result, so will the feedback.

A rather sad situation honestly...


And that seems to go back to the site's architecture. I don't know if PHPBB was the best choice for this kind of website, but it's what we have and we should continue to work on a solution that best works. Hmm, what about making a HOF story a "sticky"? They will ALWAYS be at the top of their respective section. Maybe even give the topic title a special color to make them stand out from the rest?

But I also see a potential problem in that. Having several stickies at the top of each section could clutter sections.

Also, is it possible to have a topic appear in two different sections?

Yea, it seems like every idea we come up with will ALWAYS have benefits and consequences. :(
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby cloud » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:13 am

Making them a sticky will make them get in people's way if they have already seen them. A better way might be to post links (can be done through phpBB forums) to the story, or would be to have a "Hall of Fame Spotlight" section where a thread can be made (maybe per author) and links can be added to their work.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby Tieup1 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:30 am

There are a lot of good ideas being posted here, which is a sign that people on this forum care about how the site is managed. I can't help thinking though, that we seem to be making it more complicated than it should be. Would it be better, to start a NEW HOF, leave Canucks as it is, and start afresh.

Keep the Nominations and Voting system as simple as possible, and with a bit of luck, the members of this site wiil get interested in this project.

Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby chadmc90 » Sat May 24, 2014 5:37 pm

Soooo,

Is this idea still on your mind, admins/mods? It hasn't gotten any attention since the middle of April. You've elected those new mods, so when can we expect some results if this is still in the works?
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby xtc » Sun May 25, 2014 2:55 am

New Mods not yet in place.
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Re: Hall of Fame Improvements

Postby chadmc90 » Sun May 25, 2014 11:56 am

Ah, ok. Any idea when you and the other one will start?
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