xtc wrote:There are considerations in the UK relevant to the effect of darkness upon SAD sufferers, of whom I am one before anybody starts taking the piss! I also presume that those who oppose such measures do not live that far north. It also has an effect on accident figures.
vantran wrote:xtc wrote:There are considerations in the UK relevant to the effect of darkness upon SAD sufferers, of whom I am one before anybody starts taking the piss! I also presume that those who oppose such measures do not live that far north. It also has an effect on accident figures.
It screws people up especially students who lose time in writing their assignments.
Jason Toddman wrote:vantran wrote:xtc wrote:There are considerations in the UK relevant to the effect of darkness upon SAD sufferers, of whom I am one before anybody starts taking the piss! I also presume that those who oppose such measures do not live that far north. It also has an effect on accident figures.
It screws people up especially students who lose time in writing their assignments.
I fail to see how students lose time writing their assignments, unless you are talking about that one hour out of the whole year they lose in the fall - which they get back in the spring anyway. Any student who fails to complete an assignment for the loss of that one hour has the lamest excuse ever since the dog ate the homework excuse was invented!
vantran wrote:I fail to see you having seeing anything!
Jason Toddman wrote:As xtc pointed out, it's effectiveness is greater the further north you are. Of course, xtc is in Britain (roughly 52 to 54 degrees north) and therefore is further north than any part of any state in the US except Alaska. But I live in southern Maine (between 43 and 44 degrees north), which is far enough north so that without daylight saving time in effect school children have to wait for their buses in the pitch dark.
I know what this can be like, because the winter of my senior year in high school they decided not to enact daylight saving time, and that's what I had to do. I wasn't exactly a child; I was 17 and not at all scared of the dark. But I lived out in the country, so there were no street lights or anything to help drivers see me as I stood there waiting for the bus. It's bad enough waking up when it's still dark. But it really sucks out loud going to school and waiting in home room for your first class and it's still effing dark outside!!! I remember looking out my home room window, watching the full moon set in a still pitch black sky, and thinking to myself, whose stupid idea was this?!
You folks in more southerly states don't get such short days in the winter (the closer to the equator you are, the less the difference in length between your longest and shortest days will be), so maybe you can't appreciate this, but I can attest from experience that DST is much safer for rural children going to school in the wintertime. They tried abolishing it in 1974 because of the Oil Embargo. It was a miserable failure. It just added to the number of days we all had to wake up while it was still dark out. Screw that!!!
FelixSH wrote:While I do prefer DST, I don´t care that much. What annoys me is the change itself. I would prefer to decide for DST or standard time and keep it the whole year.
Kyle wrote:I used to start school at 7:10 a.m. DST doesn't really keep you from getting ready in the dark when you start that early.
Kyle wrote:When we were on DST was actually when it was darkest. It was really dark in October right before we went back to "normal" time (or whatever it's called when you're not in Daylight Saving)
Kyle wrote: I'd prefer just to stay on regular time but I could deal with being on DST all year, although the mornings would be a problem.
xtc wrote:I must beware of abbreviations here but . . .
Back me up Paulscott, KT, Gemcott, et al: what do you think about the idea of Double Summer Time or keeping to GMT?
Will that affect the independence vote? Chaos or what?
Jason Toddman wrote:I'm the reverse, Felixsh. In fact I'd be all for doing it a second time in summertime, advancing the clock yet another hour during summer vacations and rolling them back to normal the weekend before Labor day. In the summer, virtually everyone is still in bed when the sun rises, and we could have an extra hour of daylight in the evening when people could enjoy it.
Of course, living at the eastern edge of a time zone in a northern state (where the sun never sets later than 8:45 or so), i'd find this more useful than people living on the western edge of a time zone (where the sun might already set nearly as late as 10 pm in northern states) i'm sure. And no doubt lots of people would probably want to shoot me for even suggesting such a thing! Oh well.
FelixSH wrote:We might need to sacrifice a few hours BUT we also eliminate the risk that anyone has to get up when it´s still dark. See? My plan totally works.![]()
I actually have no idea what I´m talking about. I mathematical abilities are pretty decent, but when I think about the change from Standard Time to DST my brain breaks.
xtc wrote:OK. Time for a draconian solution: China has only one time zone. I propose a universal time zone: GMT/BST. Now THAT makes sense (except, perhaps, to Scotland).
xtc wrote: It's bad enough over here. We were "promised" that the metric system would be in place by (I think) the end of the "seventies". Our road signs are still in miles...
Jay Feely wrote:I do not mind it here in Texas. Either way, I am very energized throughout the day till I go to bed.
Jason Toddman wrote:Jay Feely wrote:I do not mind it here in Texas. Either way, I am very energized throughout the day till I go to bed.
Yeah, but so was I when I was your age... at least, once the sun was up. It's a bit harder when you're in late middle age.
Fortunately for me, it doesn't matter anyway as I work nights and usually sleep in until WAY past sunrise regardless of the time of year.
mistofoleese wrote:Jason **Shakes Head ** WOW regardless of being Air Force YOU need to go out and get some damn exercise LOL
I checked there are a few Zombie 5 k's coming up in your area. Nothing get the blood pumping better than being chased by a zombie!
Jason Toddman wrote:mistofoleese wrote:Jason **Shakes Head ** WOW regardless of being Air Force YOU need to go out and get some damn exercise LOL
I checked there are a few Zombie 5 k's coming up in your area. Nothing get the blood pumping better than being chased by a zombie!
Perhaps you missed the part where I said I WORK NIGHTS?! When do you expect me to sleep, dude? When I'm at work? At night?
Btw this was my night off; otherwise I normally would not have been here at all these last few hours.
Jay Feely wrote:I do not mind it here in Texas. Either way, I am very energized throughout the day till I go to bed.
mistofoleese wrote:Well to quote my old 1st Sgt " you can sleep when your dead " Im quite certain if it means a great deal to you you will find time to get some good PT in regardless of what time you work