Am we wusses?

Postby Gemscot » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:56 pm

I used to tie my brother to the tree in our back garden a lot, sometimes for quite length periods. Ever since we heard Tyler's story - tree tugs are a definite NO-NO!

What do others think?

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby Fesselfan » Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:14 pm

In short: <beep>...

As long as you care for the person tied up, watch over him (and as long as it's consentual) it is very safe, no matter if you tie someone indoor or to a tree.
Because some <beep> used something like a tree tie to torture someone to death shouldn't change what *you* do, as long as you use it safely. Tyler might as well have died if they had tied him indoors and left him alone for a long time. What would you do then? Never tie someone up again?

Cheers

FF
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby whatever747747 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:13 am

He died because he was left tied carelessly, not just because he was tied to a tree.

Carelessness can be fatal on any kind of tie; but any kind of tie, tree or not, can be perfectly safe if you do things correctly.

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby Fesselfan » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:15 am

carelessness can be fatal without any kind of tie.

Cheers

FF
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby matthew » Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:38 am

I do realise that many people indulge in TUGs quite happily and safely without any danger or injury, and that's fine! Having read Tyler's story earlier today, and my own experience of being tied up, makes me feel you're probably being very sensible.

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby matthew » Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:40 am

I don't think you are!

Many people regularly indulge in TUGs without any injury or danger, and that's fine. Having read Tyler's story earlier today for the first time, and my own experience of being tied up by my ex-sister, does make me admire you for your consideration though.

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby wadeb444 » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:43 pm

yea its abot watching out for the peopl, not how ther tied. ive been tied to a tree lots of times.
WADE

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby Fesselfan » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:06 am

To be honest, I really loathe how Tyler's story gets mixed up with TUGs by some people, sometimes even in a way that would make every taliban proud. Some people really bathe in the misery that happened to that boy.
Yes, it was a tragedy, yes, his parents are sick. There are thousands of children who get mistreated *every day*. The only difference is media coverage- and the fact that this time ropes were used. Big deal.
There are people which can change things to the better in this case; i.e. the psychatrists who deal with the parents, the foster parents of their other kids etc. All this talking about "how bad that was" and "my prayers are with them" is mainly just one thing: false mercy. In a way, I am guilty of that too because I write this post. NOBODY of them would have cared about tyler if he hadn't died (and had not received the media coverage).

Abuse != TUGs. This is what people need to get into their minds.

Cheers

FF
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby Chris12 » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:03 am

You must almost makes sure that what you do is safe to matter what it is.
It wont make you a wuss for not doing something because you care for your brothers safety.

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby matthew » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:30 am

I agree with freeselfan that Tyler's story is being twisted and the difference between abuse and TUGs is being blurred.

I am 16 now, and my parents adopted me when I was 10. I was born profoundly deaf, and my ex-family couldn't handle it. I was kept shut in my bedroom all the time, being allowed out only for breakfast and supper to use the bathroom. When I got older and started school, my ex-paarents put a lock on the door so I couldn't get out. If my ex-sister was "caring" for me, she would often only let me out once a day and often tied me to the chair or my bedframe, making it really hurt. My ex-parents never tied me, but they never said anything or stopped my ex-sister from tying me.

My family now are the kindest, most caring and loving people you could meet.

I have a wonderful girlfriend called Laura. Last year, I beat the deamons of the past when Laura tied me up for the first time. We have tied each other up many times since, taking care no one is hurt or put in any danger.

The point to this is it is not the TUG that are dangerous or evil, but Tyler's parents and my ex-family. I hope they rot in hell - they deserve it!

TUGs are safer than boxing, motorcycling, driving a car, drinking and smoking, to name just 5.

Can we not let poor Tyler rest in peace?

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby Gemscot » Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:06 pm

Matthew - you are certainly no wuss facing down your fears like that. I can't find the words to express my admiration of you. It's nice to hear someone with sanity and reason.

Your quite right - TUGs are safer than boxing, mottorcycling, driving a car, drinking and drugs, etc. A TUG has NEVER killed anyone.

Re: Am we wusses?

Postby matthew » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:29 pm

Thank you Gemscot