Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby tong94 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:16 am

Ok i am not sure if this is the right place to discuss politics lol but well worth a shot. As you guys know the UK has decided to leave the EU after a tough referendum. The British people on here, what do you think?

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Lake Lover » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:51 am

Tong:

I am U.S.born and so not Brit, but because it is entering mid-day in UK and having no responses yet to your question, may I, just say that this vote is clearly an indication that in England at least the people seem to be expressing dissatisfaction with the inability of their political leaders to protect the British culture from destruction by immigrant populations. This is my read. So, I feel that this is a good result and long term it will benefit the UK.

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby tong94 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:11 am

Lake Lover wrote:Tong:

I am U.S.born and so not Brit, but because it is entering mid-day in UK and having no responses yet to your question, may I, just say that this vote is clearly an indication that in England at least the people seem to be expressing dissatisfaction with the inability of their political leaders to protect the British culture from destruction by immigrant populations. This is my read. So, I feel that this is a good result and long term it will benefit the UK.


That's quite a good opinion I say. You're right i guess though not a lot of young people here are very happy about this result as they have wanted a bright future with the EU. But i also think that the older generations were getting extremely fed up of Brussel controlling the UK policies which was why Uk could never control their immigriants especially from the European countries.

I'll wait to hear more later on people :)

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Chris12 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:13 am

I really like Britain and wish them the best but no, I have a hard time not seeing this backfire on them. Economically they will be taking a big hit and if they want to trade with Europe they will probably be in a similar position like Norway where they STILL need to obey the EU rules without any say in them. That's if Europe is even willing to not obstruct any trade deal with Britain. Petty as it is they kinda have a direct incentive to do so now.

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby freyjaceleste862 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:36 am

Lake Lover wrote:Tong:

I am U.S.born and so not Brit, but because it is entering mid-day in UK and having no responses yet to your question, may I, just say that this vote is clearly an indication that in England at least the people seem to be expressing dissatisfaction with the inability of their political leaders to protect the British culture from destruction by immigrant populations. This is my read. So, I feel that this is a good result and long term it will benefit the UK.


One point: England is not the UK. England is one part of the UK along with Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby elusinius » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:38 am

I've heard that because of the referendum, Northern Ireland
and Ireland are considering their own referendum on Irish
reunion.

If that happens, Oliver Cromwell will spin in
his grave!

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:09 am

elusinius wrote:I've heard that because of the referendum, Northern Ireland
and Ireland are considering their own referendum on Irish
reunion.

If that happens, Oliver Cromwell will spin in
his grave!

Good! To many Irishmen, Cromwell is hated as much as Hitler is in England.
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Chris12 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:16 am

Jason Toddman wrote:
elusinius wrote:I've heard that because of the referendum, Northern Ireland
and Ireland are considering their own referendum on Irish
reunion.

If that happens, Oliver Cromwell will spin in
his grave!

Good! To many Irishmen, Cromwell is hated as much as Hitler is in England.


Which means they would be wrong :big: Hitler is a special case and Cromwell, while not a darling just isn't.

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Lake Lover » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:38 am

freyjaceleste862 wrote:
Lake Lover wrote:Tong:
... in England at least the people seem to be expressing dissatisfaction with the inability of their political leaders to protect the British culture...


One point: England is not the UK. England is one part of the UK along with Scotland and Northern Ireland.


Thank you, and I know that. I was not very clear in alluding to the fact that England voted to LEAVE, while Scotland voted heavily to REMAIN. Of course, Wales is too a part of the UK.

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:43 am

Chris12 wrote:
Jason Toddman wrote:
elusinius wrote:I've heard that because of the referendum, Northern Ireland
and Ireland are considering their own referendum on Irish
reunion.

If that happens, Oliver Cromwell will spin in
his grave!

Good! To many Irishmen, Cromwell is hated as much as Hitler is in England.


Which means they would be wrong :big: Hitler is a special case and Cromwell, while not a darling just isn't.

Tell that to the Irish. :lol:
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:45 am

freyjaceleste862 wrote:[

One point: England is not the UK. England is one part of the UK along with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

I don't see the relevancy. Afaik it's Britain leaving the EU, not just England. Or have I misunderstood?
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby tong94 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:57 am

Jason Toddman wrote:
freyjaceleste862 wrote:[

One point: England is not the UK. England is one part of the UK along with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

I don't see the relevancy. Afaik it's Britain leaving the EU, not just England. Or have I misunderstood?


The United Kingdom is made up of four different nations. England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. The entire island of United Kingdom voted to leave the EU. However, now Scotland is trying to become an independent country so that they can remain to be the in EU and Northern Ireland wants to join The Republic of Ireland for the same reason.

I don't know why people thinks the UK cannot survive without the EU. The English were known to rule three quarters of the world at one point and that was even way before we all have these advanced technology we use today. I believe the UK can be a great nation without the EU and besides I'm pretty sure after David Cameron retires, the new PM will sign some new agreement with the EU to help with the continuation of the free trade with each other.

I guess really the main reason why so many people decided to vote leave was because of Immigration.

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby xtc » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:14 am

I think it will bite us in the arse. I see a dreadful few years followed by a bloody awful decade.
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In that time the Sun readers will realise that their ills were not caused by Johnnie Foreigner after all and the Tories will suffer a similar (but probably not quite so extreme) backlash as the Liberals did last year.
We will probably be left with a minority Tory Government propped up by the appalling, disingenuous xenophbes that form the membership of UKIP.
Lord Snooty and his pal, Gideon, might be are certainly vacillating twats but there will be a VERY determined trajectory of that government.
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:40 am

H.G.Wells predicted something like what xtc just said would happen over a century ago in various of his works; including The Outline of History. If we don't watch out, the world economy will be run by China, Japan, and South Korea (possibly a united Korea once North Korea's tottering regime finally collapses).
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Tieup1 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:22 pm

Leaving the EU, could turn out to be the best thing the UK has done for some time. Lots of scare stories going around, but the UK can and will take care of itself. It will still be able to trade with other European countries, albeit on different terms, and trade worldwide. As usual the money men are making a meal of it, instead of getting the best deals for the country, they just look after no. 1, themselves.

The Conservatives will have to choose a new leader, and then sometime soon there will be a General Election. Whoever gets elected will be running a country that is not part of the EU. It's not the end of the world, for God's sake, they will have to just get on with it.

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Kyle » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:25 pm

If Norway and Switzerland can make it without ever joining the EU, why is the UK going to fall apart by leaving it (for those who are more or less saying so)? I don't have a dog in the fight, and I don't feel I'm as informed as people who actually live over there and deal with this firsthand to make too many strong comments*, but it's been proven European countries can do well without being part of the EU if they don't want to be.

*Not that this ever stopped people in European countries who have no clue telling us Americans what we should do...

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:42 pm

Kyle wrote: *Not that this ever stopped people in European countries who have no clue telling us Americans what we should do...

Well, that fault goes both ways you know. God knows we've been trying to tell them what to do long enough.
In any case, this ought to be an interesting learning experience for the rest of us as we (hopefully) learn from the results of Britain's decision, good and bad. The fact though that people like Trump are all for the decision of Britain to leave the EU gives me a feeling of dread and foreboding.
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Sailor Mercury Otoko » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:44 pm

It appears at least 51% of the Brits, no matter what the main reason, have some kind of idea that a ruling class in another country passing laws and regulations over you, and yet are not in any way accountable to you, is kind of a rotten deal in the long run. Wonder where they got that idea from?

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby truly_trussed » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:08 pm

Bill Maher said (paraphrasing) "48 percent of the electorate supported 'Sense and Sensibility' while 52 percent supported 'Pride and Prejudice'". cheers

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby drawscore » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:05 am

I have to agree with Lake Lover. The large influx of immigrants, especially immigrants that won't assimilate into the British culture and way of life, has had an adverse effect on a majority of British voters, to remain in the EU. In the states, we are experiencing the same thing. In Texas, the secessionist movement is gaining strength, but I doubt if will grow strong enough to for Texas to actually secede, even if Hillary Clinton is elected.

Of course, if she goes along with importing several hundred thousand Islamic "refugees," and ISIS terrorists are in their midst, anything is possible.

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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby BoundBoyBeta » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:09 am

The thing that honestly annoys me is the fact that when you look at the ages of people who voted which way it shows that people who will have to live with this decision longest are the ones who didn't get what they want... My grandparents said something very stereotypical but I believe it proves the point. "We don't trust the Germans, we can't have all of our laws controlled by them!"
BBC Radio 4 had a quote from a war veteran who was crying about how "all of his brothers who died were getting justice" from Britan leaving the EU...
Not sure how destroying our economy to a point I doubt it will ever recover from is relevant to that but you know...
Loads of so called "facts" that influenced voters were entirely idiotic honestly, a great example is some leave campaigners saying now: "Oh we never said leaving the EU would reduce immigration... we said we could then control it" when there were posters around disproving that exact thing.

To stop myself from ranting now, one more point.
Usually in order to change an existing choice, anywhere between 60% and 75% of a vote is required, yet this referendum required 50%... that combined with leave campaigners during their campaign saying if remain one 52% 48% they would demand more referendums, now saying that "oh no we won fair and square" is just hypocrisy and politics at its finest. They even said that the sterling wouldn't drop at all from us leaving, it would spike upwards.
While I personally thing younger people should have been able to vote than 18, perhaps not, generally speaking younger people are easier to manipulate.

If people can ignore so many experts stating the economic disaster that would be leaving the EU, perhaps they do not deserve to vote.
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby freyjaceleste862 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:09 pm

Young people just wanted right to work in 27 other countries without Visa.
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby freyjaceleste862 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:10 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:
freyjaceleste862 wrote:[

One point: England is not the UK. England is one part of the UK along with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

I don't see the relevancy. Afaik it's Britain leaving the EU, not just England. Or have I misunderstood?


Because some people dont know their geography and histroy
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:37 pm

freyjaceleste862 wrote: Because some people dont know their geography and histroy

Oh. Thing is though, Lake Lover apparently had a good reason to specify England. In Scotland and Northern Ireland at least, the vote was actually strongly against Brexit... leading to fears of renewed attempts by each to leave the British empire. And Lake Lover himself specified England at least; which seems to be he intentionally singled England out. Wales is, afaik, the only other part of the UK that favored Brexit.
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Oohmynameisblue » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:50 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:
freyjaceleste862 wrote: Because some people dont know their geography and histroy

Oh. Thing is though, Lake Lover apparently had a good reason to specify England. In Scotland and Northern Ireland at least, the vote was actually strongly against Brexit... leading to fears of renewed attempts by each to leave the British empire. And Lake Lover himself specified England at least; which seems to be he intentionally singled England out. Wales is, afaik, the only other part of the UK that favored Brexit.

And so it's very likely they'll have another referendum. I don't blame them to be honest.

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Oohmynameisblue » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:55 pm

BoundBoyBeta wrote:The thing that honestly annoys me is the fact that when you look at the ages of people who voted which way it shows that people who will have to live with this decision longest are the ones who didn't get what they want... My grandparents said something very stereotypical but I believe it proves the point. "We don't trust the Germans, we can't have all of our laws controlled by them!"
BBC Radio 4 had a quote from a war veteran who was crying about how "all of his brothers who died were getting justice" from Britan leaving the EU...
Not sure how destroying our economy to a point I doubt it will ever recover from is relevant to that but you know...

That's the thing I find annoying. I'm not saying I should be allowed to vote but it's not fair. I don't know if it should be weighted or if older people just need to be a bit more...thoughtful? I know its their choice but if I was old and knew Remain was what young people wanted then I would vote Remain for them. And if enough of them did that, we would be staying.

P.S. Apparently, if just two thirds of the 65+ voted remain, we would be staying.

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby skybird137 » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:20 am

Jason Toddman wrote:
freyjaceleste862 wrote: Because some people dont know their geography and histroy

Oh. Thing is though, Lake Lover apparently had a good reason to specify England. In Scotland and Northern Ireland at least, the vote was actually strongly against Brexit... leading to fears of renewed attempts by each to leave the British empire. And Lake Lover himself specified England at least; which seems to be he intentionally singled England out. Wales is, afaik, the only other part of the UK that favored Brexit.


http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201516/ldselect/ldeucom/138/138.pdf

This was on the Website (Twitter Account to be more precise) of Restrained Elegance and the important parts are probably 70 and 71 on page 19.

It seems to suggest that exit requires the consent of all UK Parliaments, not just the one in Westminster. Seeing as Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain, all they have to do is not give consent on the grounds that their people decided to stay in...

Even if this interpretation was challenged in the courts, how many years will that take?
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Lake Lover » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:53 am

Jason Toddman wrote:
freyjaceleste862 wrote: Because some people dont know their geography and histroy

Oh. Thing is though, Lake Lover apparently had a good reason to specify England. In Scotland and Northern Ireland at least, the vote was actually strongly against Brexit... leading to fears of renewed attempts by each to leave the British empire. And Lake Lover himself specified England at least; which seems to be he intentionally singled England out. Wales is, afaik, the only other part of the UK that favored Brexit.


Jason, Thank you. You are absolutely correct in my intentionally singling out England.

Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:58 am

Lake Lover wrote:
freyjaceleste862 wrote:
Lake Lover wrote:Tong:
... in England at least the people seem to be expressing dissatisfaction with the inability of their political leaders to protect the British culture...


One point: England is not the UK. England is one part of the UK along with Scotland and Northern Ireland.


Thank you, and I know that. I was not very clear in alluding to the fact that England voted to LEAVE, while Scotland voted heavily to REMAIN. Of course, Wales is too a part of the UK.

For some reason i failed to notice this post until now. Didn't know about it when i wrote mine. :shock: :oops:
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Re: Brits people do you think UK has made the right decision?

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:05 am

BoundBoyBeta wrote:Brexit could be followed by Grexit, Departugal, Italeave, Czechout, Oustria, Finish, Slovakout, Latervia, Byegium... Only Remania will stay...

Some of those names are clever enough that they might actually be used.
In fact I understand the Netherlands is already starting the ball rolling with what they are called Nexit.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brita ... nnel=11563
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