Fall of the Republic?

Postby dreadnaught3200 » Sat May 22, 2010 11:40 am

Hey Everybody

So I was on Youtube yesterday and I came across this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

It's called Fall of the Republic, and its more or less about how the democratic system is being taken over by a small group of elite bankers. I've noticed some discussion of this topic on the board before. Has anybody else seen it? More importantly does anyone here believe it?

Now I will say for the people who made this, they did a good job of being non-partisan (A rare thing in any US publication these days) but the accusations they're making seem... to me at least... rather outlandish. I'm no supporter of either George Bush or Barack Obama, but saying (Quite brazenly) that they were nothing but puppets for wall street executives? Really? Moreover, the evidence they present is thin at best. Yes they present a lot of events (Such as the Kennedy assassination) and string them together in such a way that it could be indicative of a conspiracy, but the actual evidence tying those events together in that way, is almost non-existent.

Now disenchanted as I am with the current political situation in North America right now, I still believe in Democracy and Popular Government, and if the need arose, I would take up arms to defend it. But I'm not convinced that Democracy is under threat.

But I could be wrong. What do you all think?

(By the way, I don't want this thread to become a Left vs Right debate, we have enough of those. This is about Democracy in general)
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Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat May 22, 2010 12:26 pm

I would rate such theories as this right up (or rather down) there with the conspiracy theories implicating George Bush as the Mastermind behind the destruction of the World Trade Center for political gain or FDR inciting the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor so that the US could enter WWII wiothout domestic opposition.
It's pure hogwash!
I despise Bush and everything he stands for, but even I can't believe incredible trash like this. For fantastic claims like those posited in such 'documentaries' (and I used the term loosely here), I need to see some real proof. As you pointed out Dreadnought, there's no proof here. Not even real evidence. Just supposition. This is just another half-baked production of the Lunatic Fringe if you ask me. You can't believe everything you see and hear just because it's a 'documentary'; this stuff has less truth in it than the National Inquirer!
Bush was an asshole and he screwed the country over and so did the big bankers and speculators - but a conspiracy of this magnitude?! No way. No evidence. Saying something in a convincing manner doesn't make it so.
It's the main reason I stopped believing in - certain other things I used to believe (no dig intended).
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Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby haloguy » Sat May 22, 2010 3:07 pm

this is the stupidest thing that I have ever seen, there are no "elite bankers" trying to take over the country.

dont believe this rubbish

Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby KittyReaper » Sun May 23, 2010 12:35 am

I didn't even watch the video because I know it's some poor loner trying to spread disarray.

What could possibly happen within the next 100 years (and I restate possibly means incredibly slim chance), is that a terrorist organization uses a fresh contingency plan from a mole within the united states military, and because it is fresh the military won't have the resources able to combat it quickly enough. Thus the president is killed along with his vice president and the other personal of the executive branch. This would alternately lead to the Speaker for the House becoming acting president and he tries to fix the situation but fails. The military sees the weakness of the president and plans a coup of the government but then it turns out that the military general who planned the coup is actually working for an organization funded by a company to begin a civil war within the united states starting with major cities claiming they want to restore a democratic government.

But then that is only a chance and a story I made up on the spot I might keep writing about that. Anyway cheers :)

Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun May 23, 2010 4:51 am

Reaper1711: It sounds like it would make for a pretty good fictional novel however... or even a movie. Just hope that is all it'd EVER be!
Maybe you should try your hand at actually writing it as speculative fiction.
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Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Tied beauty » Sun May 23, 2010 5:47 am

all those things are true

Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Nuclearo » Sun May 23, 2010 11:33 am

Tied beauty wrote:all those things are true

The video, what people say about the video or reaper's "script"?
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Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun May 23, 2010 11:40 am

Yes, I was a little vague on this one myself. Could you explain please, TiedBeauty? It'd be interesting to hear your views in any case but especially if you're supporting what was said on the video.
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Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Tied beauty » Mon May 24, 2010 12:34 pm

Nuclearo wrote:
Tied beauty wrote:all those things are true

The video, what people say about the video or reaper's "script"?

Those things out of the film

Jason Toddman wrote:Yes, I was a little vague on this one myself. Could you explain please, TiedBeauty? It'd be interesting to hear your views in any case but especially if you're supporting what was said on the video.


Is there something specific you want? Because the whole thing is very big and complicate
Please let me time.

Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon May 24, 2010 2:57 pm

Nothing specific. Just wanted to know why you believe it. So far you're the only one who has spoken up in support of the video, but gave no reason why at all. You're entitled to your opinion of course and I have no intention to try to make you change your mind; I was just curious what your beliefs were concerning this subject.
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Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Nuclearo » Mon May 24, 2010 4:10 pm

Seriously, 2 hours?! Did anyone besides dreadnaught actually watch this? Did dreadnaught even watch it? I generally like listening to conspiracy movies, but this looks just too long. The US government are puppets to the tycoons? Well, I think that is a bit exaggerated. Granted, really rich people do have a big influence on the government whether you like it or not, but saying the president is their puppet ruler... I'd like to think at least 1 of Obama's deeds is his own.

oh, and I'm basing this on what i'm getting from your replies. I'm not watching that thing even if it's yom kippur and youtube was hacked so all videos link to it.
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Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue May 25, 2010 7:46 am

Nuclearo wrote:Seriously, 2 hours?! Did anyone besides dreadnaught actually watch this? Did dreadnaught even watch it? I generally like listening to conspiracy movies, but this looks just too long. The US government are puppets to the tycoons? Well, I think that is a bit exaggerated. Granted, really rich people do have a big influence on the government whether you like it or not, but saying the president is their puppet ruler... I'd like to think at least 1 of Obama's deeds is his own.

oh, and I'm basing this on what i'm getting from your replies. I'm not watching that thing even if it's yom kippur and youtube was hacked so all videos link to it.


I only skimmed it myself for the highlights. Take my word for it Nuclearo - and anyone else - you aren't missing much at all!!!
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Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby dreadnaught3200 » Tue May 25, 2010 11:30 pm

I tried to watch the whole thing, I didn't make it past about half an hour then I just couldn't take any more. I skimmed over the rest. Take it from me, you aren't missing anything.
There's a permanent tension in music isn't there? On one hand you have three chords, you know, four four and three chords. Then there's the people like me, who say "Well, why don't we add a fourth chord and put it in five four?" - Bill Bruford

Re: Fall of the Republic?

Postby Nuclearo » Wed May 26, 2010 7:07 am

I knew even the OP didn't watch that XD
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