Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby zanev » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:15 pm

Check this out:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... i-Arrested

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1092304.html


Just a lot going on right now...any posters from iran?
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Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby sarobah » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:06 pm

As much as it would please me to see those mad clerics consigned to the dustbin of history, I cannot see it happening, not in the near future anyway.
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Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby zanev » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:17 am

I'm surprised the military just hasn't massively opened fire on everyone.
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Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby Soul_Rebel » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:38 am

"A town with two bosses is a dangerous one indeed."

The supreme leader is pledging support behind the newly elected, however, much of the populous is calling the election rigged right? I'm pretty sure the millitary has already begun drastic and bloody campaigns to prevent a cue, we just won't hear about the mass graves for a couple months.
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Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby zanev » Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:51 pm

I for one didn't expect a fair election in a dictatorial country. Why they even need a president when they have the aitolha is beyond me.
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Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby Soul_Rebel » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:57 pm

^ it's all far more complex than that, the U.S., however, will have no place in this dispute, but i'm sure the cia has already dropped it's crew into Tehran.

As far as the need for a president; although he has limited powers, it's all gradual process of democratization, eventually iran will enjoy a balanced separation of powers, this is just the natural destabilization that occurs when things in a former authoritarian nation begin to change.
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Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby lonewolfandfriends » Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:13 pm

Please don't insult ether my father is a complete iranian

Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby mcsproot » Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:12 pm

Lonewolf wrote:Please don't insult ether my father is a complete iranian


Reading this I'm stretched to find the insult in this thread. States lead by a dictatorship to tend to use the military to suppress the population instead of addressing their needs. And it has been shown in Syria and Yemen that even when the populace does not use violence in their cause, they will still be attacked.
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Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby lonewolfandfriends » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:03 pm

sarobah wrote:As much as it would please me to see those mad clerics consigned to the dustbin of history, I cannot see it happening, not in the near future anyway.

That's the insult when she says the insult

Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby mcsproot » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:41 pm

Lonewolf wrote:
sarobah wrote:As much as it would please me to see those mad clerics consigned to the dustbin of history, I cannot see it happening, not in the near future anyway.

That's the insult when she says the insult


I don't think she meant that Iranians are the mad clerics, more those in charge of the Iranian government. I know tensions between Iran and Israel have been high, but saying you want to wipe the entire country off the map does tend to raise eyebrows. Especially when you have an active nuclear research programme.
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Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby lonewolfandfriends » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:43 pm

Still it's an insult to the government

Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby mcsproot » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:09 pm

Lonewolf wrote:Still it's an insult to the government


From a western society point of view, they are rather heavy handed in their approaches with the world.

In addition to my 'I want to nuke Israel' comment:

It is seen that barring foreign reporters from your country gives a sense that you're hiding something. I don't know how much control the Iranian government has over their media, but barring access to foreign reporters also prevents the populace from learning about 'the truth' when the media is 100% government controlled and is essentially a propaganda machine. It says in the second link that foreign media have been heavily restricted in what they have access to in the country.

While taking down the cell phone and social media access is a viable tactic when dealing with social unrest, you have to look at the situation. There were calls to take down Facebook etc during the English riots in August due to the potential for those looking to riot to organise such riots. In the end, the social network was kept up, and those who tried to incite riots have been punished, the maximum I heard was 4 years in prison. It may seem like a lot, but in the UK, almost no-one serves a full sentence, and to compare to what had already transpired (houses set ablaze without a care for residents, 3 people killed while protecting their property from looters) it seems more reasonable. Anyway...the riots in Iran have been caused by claims that the government is heavily corrupt and rigged the election. While circumstantial, when the main presidential candidate has been arrested while he was campaigning against the alleged rigging, with media access restricted and cell phones and social media cut off, it all looks rather suspect.

If Ahmadinejad wanted to prove the election was not rigged, he would hold another election. I'd imagine the way people would vote would be little different to how they voted the last time so the result should be the same. That, and if claims of a rigged election leads to civil unrest and riots, it tends to point to that many people do not believe the outcome of the election was valid.

It's also been experience that mixing religion with government doesn't tend to end very well.
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Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby Chris12 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:04 am

Lonewolf wrote:Still it's an insult to the government


A goverment like the one from Iran deserve's to be insulted. It would be strange if we where complimented a goverment full of relegious lunatics and wanabe tyrants.

Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby lonewolfandfriends » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:39 pm

Chris12 wrote:
Lonewolf wrote:Still it's an insult to the government


A goverment like the one from Iran deserve's to be insulted. It would be strange if we where complimented a goverment full of relegious lunatics and wanabe tyrants.

U kbowothing of prams past.

Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby Chris12 » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:54 am

What? you have to repeat that. Did you say ''You know nothing of Irans past? i do.

Re: Iran - On the verge of revoultion?

Postby lonewolfandfriends » Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:49 pm

oh but still the goverment is not that good that i must agree on