Scotland / England

Postby tony2 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:15 pm

Just got the results ---- superglue wins -- they stay together.

I'm going to have a shot of 12 yr old scotch and humm God Save the Queen at the same time.
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby xtc » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:27 am

Why not "Floor o' Scor'lan'?"
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby tony2 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:53 am

Don't know --- I have a Roomba and a Scooba for doing the floors. Any relation?
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby lockedup » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:08 pm

on the news the queen made a statement about it and the guy started reading it but then the connection went dodgy. i don't think the queen will be happy. Lol.

why did they want to leave anyway?
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby xtc » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:22 pm

The majority didn't!
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby tony2 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:41 pm

I heard Nessie actually swung the vote. She seems to like inviting the Englishmen out for dinner.
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby mcsproot » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:15 pm

lockedup wrote:on the news the queen made a statement about it and the guy started reading it but then the connection went dodgy. i don't think the queen will be happy. Lol.

why did they want to leave anyway?


Because our universal healthcare is being sold off to private companies.

Because high speed rail lines in England, new underground/subway lines in London and the 2012 Olympic Village are considered 'UK national projects' and require all areas of the UK to pay for them, but the Edinburgh tram project and Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games had to be 100% Scottish funded. And then they didn't allow the Saltire to be used, nor allow the Red Arrows to use Blue and White only (no red) smoke.

Because we want fairer representation. The UK government is currently Conservative (aka right wing), with one elected MP in Scotland. Scotland generally has more left wing views, which is why Labour (formally left wing, now claim to be left wing by being slightly less right wing than Conservatives), Liberal Democrats (their reputation now ruined after one term in coalition) and the Scottish National Party make up pretty much all of the elected national officials in Scotland.

Because we are fed up of having our soldiers help Arabs bomb other Arabs.

Because we only get 70% of the tax we pay given back to us by Westminster. Basically, if you earn £1,000 a month, you don't take your pay home like everyone else, you give it to your 'friend'. Who then budgets £600 of it for you, gives you £100 to spend as you want, and keeps the other £300 for themselves.

Because we were told during the 'debate' that Scots 'are not genetically programmed to makes decisions'...by the leader of the Scottish Labour Party.

Because we feel that it is fairer that the 100% of the people elected to the Scottish Parliament are better suited to make decisions for Scotland, rather than the 6% (the number of MPs in Westminster representing a Scottish constituency) in Westminster.

Because we wanted to take a more socialised approach as seen in the Scandinavian countries. Yes, they pay high tax. Yes the cost of living is higher. But their take home pay is still higher than ours on average, and public services are top notch because they are well funded.

Because we want to have our own say in Europe, not having it dictated to us by Westminster. Did you know that London used the Scottish fishing grounds as a throw-away bargaining chip?

Because we wanted the power to set out own taxes and welfare as suits the needs of Scotland, not the needs of London.

Because the effects of the Conservative government in the 70s and 80s (aka Margaret Thatcher) can still be felt to this day. During it's peak in the late 1800s/early 1900s, 80% of ships IN THE WORLD were built in Glasgow. Thatcher decimated the Clydeside shipyards, leaving tens of thousands unemployed with little employment prospects. She also dismantled heavy industry (steel making and the like) and closed almost all of the mines in the UK. All of these industries were massive job providers for the Scottish, Welsh and Northern English. Because of Thatcher, 50% of children living in Glasgow are considered to be living in poverty by UK standards.

Does that make the issue any clearer for you?
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby tony2 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:19 pm

i am sincerely impressed with the logic and the apparent fairness of your analysis. On this side of the pond, these details never manage to swim over. When I ran a corp. in Dublin for 4 years I got a taste of the British way of doing things (like taxes, etc.) but of course never knew of the emasculation of England by Thatcher.
i wish you all a profitable and safe future. Keep up the reporting if you will for the rest of us unenlightened colonists (grin). Again, good job and thank you.
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby mcsproot » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:42 am

tony2 wrote:i am sincerely impressed with the logic and the apparent fairness of your analysis. On this side of the pond, these details never manage to swim over. When I ran a corp. in Dublin for 4 years I got a taste of the British way of doing things (like taxes, etc.) but of course never knew of the emasculation of England by Thatcher.
i wish you all a profitable and safe future. Keep up the reporting if you will for the rest of us unenlightened colonists (grin). Again, good job and thank you.


I get the impression you could not be more sarcastic if you tried.


Also, unless you visited Dublin a very very long time ago, it would have been the Republic of Ireland, not Britain. Though they may have kept most taxation the same.
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby tony2 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:09 am

Serves me right I suppose --- I tried to give you an honest and sincere compliment just to get it mucked back in my face. I didn't visit Dublin -- I lived and worked there and paid taxes etc based on the leftover of the British system. BTW, as we both know, Northern Ireland is still empire and in fact as I was heading back home, the Republic's woman president was from the North.

have fun anyway, I'll try not to compliment your communication acumen in the future.

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Re: Scotland / England

Postby lockedup » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:46 pm

mcsproot wrote:Because our universal healthcare is being sold off to private companies.

Because high speed rail lines in England, new underground/subway lines in London and the 2012 Olympic Village are considered 'UK national projects' and require all areas of the UK to pay for them, but the Edinburgh tram project and Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games had to be 100% Scottish funded. And then they didn't allow the Saltire to be used, nor allow the Red Arrows to use Blue and White only (no red) smoke.

Because we want fairer representation. The UK government is currently Conservative (aka right wing), with one elected MP in Scotland. Scotland generally has more left wing views, which is why Labour (formally left wing, now claim to be left wing by being slightly less right wing than Conservatives), Liberal Democrats (their reputation now ruined after one term in coalition) and the Scottish National Party make up pretty much all of the elected national officials in Scotland.

Because we are fed up of having our soldiers help Arabs bomb other Arabs.

Because we only get 70% of the tax we pay given back to us by Westminster. Basically, if you earn £1,000 a month, you don't take your pay home like everyone else, you give it to your 'friend'. Who then budgets £600 of it for you, gives you £100 to spend as you want, and keeps the other £300 for themselves.

Because we were told during the 'debate' that Scots 'are not genetically programmed to makes decisions'...by the leader of the Scottish Labour Party.

Because we feel that it is fairer that the 100% of the people elected to the Scottish Parliament are better suited to make decisions for Scotland, rather than the 6% (the number of MPs in Westminster representing a Scottish constituency) in Westminster.

Because we wanted to take a more socialised approach as seen in the Scandinavian countries. Yes, they pay high tax. Yes the cost of living is higher. But their take home pay is still higher than ours on average, and public services are top notch because they are well funded.

Because we want to have our own say in Europe, not having it dictated to us by Westminster. Did you know that London used the Scottish fishing grounds as a throw-away bargaining chip?

Because we wanted the power to set out own taxes and welfare as suits the needs of Scotland, not the needs of London.

Because the effects of the Conservative government in the 70s and 80s (aka Margaret Thatcher) can still be felt to this day. During it's peak in the late 1800s/early 1900s, 80% of ships IN THE WORLD were built in Glasgow. Thatcher decimated the Clydeside shipyards, leaving tens of thousands unemployed with little employment prospects. She also dismantled heavy industry (steel making and the like) and closed almost all of the mines in the UK. All of these industries were massive job providers for the Scottish, Welsh and Northern English. Because of Thatcher, 50% of children living in Glasgow are considered to be living in poverty by UK standards.

Does that make the issue any clearer for you?


i take it you wanted scotland to leave the UK?
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby mcsproot » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:49 pm

tony2 wrote:Serves me right I suppose --- I tried to give you an honest and sincere compliment just to get it mucked back in my face. I didn't visit Dublin -- I lived and worked there and paid taxes etc based on the leftover of the British system. BTW, as we both know, Northern Ireland is still empire and in fact as I was heading back home, the Republic's woman president was from the North.

have fun anyway, I'll try not to compliment your communication acumen in the future.

Slan'


If you weren't being sarcastic then my apologies. Sarcasm can be difficult to pick up in plain text sometimes, and your post just seemed to be quite sarcastic.
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby mcsproot » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:52 pm

lockedup wrote:
mcsproot wrote:Because our universal healthcare is being sold off to private companies.

Because high speed rail lines in England, new underground/subway lines in London and the 2012 Olympic Village are considered 'UK national projects' and require all areas of the UK to pay for them, but the Edinburgh tram project and Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games had to be 100% Scottish funded. And then they didn't allow the Saltire to be used, nor allow the Red Arrows to use Blue and White only (no red) smoke.

Because we want fairer representation. The UK government is currently Conservative (aka right wing), with one elected MP in Scotland. Scotland generally has more left wing views, which is why Labour (formally left wing, now claim to be left wing by being slightly less right wing than Conservatives), Liberal Democrats (their reputation now ruined after one term in coalition) and the Scottish National Party make up pretty much all of the elected national officials in Scotland.

Because we are fed up of having our soldiers help Arabs bomb other Arabs.

Because we only get 70% of the tax we pay given back to us by Westminster. Basically, if you earn £1,000 a month, you don't take your pay home like everyone else, you give it to your 'friend'. Who then budgets £600 of it for you, gives you £100 to spend as you want, and keeps the other £300 for themselves.

Because we were told during the 'debate' that Scots 'are not genetically programmed to makes decisions'...by the leader of the Scottish Labour Party.

Because we feel that it is fairer that the 100% of the people elected to the Scottish Parliament are better suited to make decisions for Scotland, rather than the 6% (the number of MPs in Westminster representing a Scottish constituency) in Westminster.

Because we wanted to take a more socialised approach as seen in the Scandinavian countries. Yes, they pay high tax. Yes the cost of living is higher. But their take home pay is still higher than ours on average, and public services are top notch because they are well funded.

Because we want to have our own say in Europe, not having it dictated to us by Westminster. Did you know that London used the Scottish fishing grounds as a throw-away bargaining chip?

Because we wanted the power to set out own taxes and welfare as suits the needs of Scotland, not the needs of London.

Because the effects of the Conservative government in the 70s and 80s (aka Margaret Thatcher) can still be felt to this day. During it's peak in the late 1800s/early 1900s, 80% of ships IN THE WORLD were built in Glasgow. Thatcher decimated the Clydeside shipyards, leaving tens of thousands unemployed with little employment prospects. She also dismantled heavy industry (steel making and the like) and closed almost all of the mines in the UK. All of these industries were massive job providers for the Scottish, Welsh and Northern English. Because of Thatcher, 50% of children living in Glasgow are considered to be living in poverty by UK standards.

Does that make the issue any clearer for you?


i take it you wanted scotland to leave the UK?


I did and still do. I am resident and did vote yes to independence. 45% is a minority, but it's hardly a small one. The question will no doubt be raised again in the future, just like how Scotland was offered devolution in 1979 and didn't get it (it was a narrow yes vote which the '40% rule' meant it was actually a result for no) and again in 1997.

On that note, the Scottish National Party (SNP, who are the current in government party in the Scottish Parliament, and who brought about the referendum) have seen their membership triple in 2 weeks, from 25,000 to 75,000 since the referendum. This makes them the third largest political party in the UK and the largest by far in Scotland.
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby tony2 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:11 pm

mcsproot wrote:
tony2 wrote:Serves me right I suppose --- I tried to give you an honest and sincere compliment just to get it mucked back in my face. I didn't visit Dublin -- I lived and worked there and paid taxes etc based on the leftover of the British system. BTW, as we both know, Northern Ireland is still empire and in fact as I was heading back home, the Republic's woman president was from the North.

have fun anyway, I'll try not to compliment your communication acumen in the future.

Slan'


If you weren't being sarcastic then my apologies. Sarcasm can be difficult to pick up in plain text sometimes, and your post just seemed to be quite sarcastic.


Thank you, accepted of course. If I am sarcastic intentionally, I often point it out with (grin) written into the sentence. Since I have lived about 6 of your lifetimes so far, I have learned a bit about trying to give the benefit of the doubt that still lie in your path of conquest. I don't hold it against you for being young and learning. As I meant what I said about your reporting abilities we'll have to leave it at that since I said i would not compliment you on it again. However your mind shows a great potential and i look forward to seeing it develop over the years. cheers
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby mcsproot » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:49 pm

tony2 wrote:
mcsproot wrote:
tony2 wrote:Serves me right I suppose --- I tried to give you an honest and sincere compliment just to get it mucked back in my face. I didn't visit Dublin -- I lived and worked there and paid taxes etc based on the leftover of the British system. BTW, as we both know, Northern Ireland is still empire and in fact as I was heading back home, the Republic's woman president was from the North.

have fun anyway, I'll try not to compliment your communication acumen in the future.

Slan'


If you weren't being sarcastic then my apologies. Sarcasm can be difficult to pick up in plain text sometimes, and your post just seemed to be quite sarcastic.


Thank you, accepted of course. If I am sarcastic intentionally, I often point it out with (grin) written into the sentence. Since I have lived about 6 of your lifetimes so far, I have learned a bit about trying to give the benefit of the doubt that still lie in your path of conquest. I don't hold it against you for being young and learning. As I meant what I said about your reporting abilities we'll have to leave it at that since I said i would not compliment you on it again. However your mind shows a great potential and i look forward to seeing it develop over the years. cheers


The reason I thought you were being sarcastic was because you called my post fair, when it is rather one sided. That is because I do not see a positive case for Scotland staying part of the UK that would be exclusive to that option. Maybe I have been tainted by yes side propaganda. But even before the question was officially asked, I was pro-independence.

On that note though, I recently watched a BBC television show called Mock the Week, which is a comedy panel current events show. Basically 6 (7 if you count the host) comedians make current events jokes, mixed in with more general humour. They have a segment called Scenes We'd Like to See, where the comedians are given a topic and they have to make quickfire jokes around it. On the last episode, one of these topics was 'Things you'd be unlikely to hear on a news programme'. One of the jokes made was 'The British Government delivers on all promises made to Scotland following the no vote'. Which to me, sums up the whole situation. Then again, the future may prove me wrong.
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Re: Scotland / England

Postby tony2 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:10 pm

Just quickly: Your post reported on facts, with many of which i was somewhat familiar. You did not generally resort to hyperbole or abusive language so it had the "ring of truth" about it. It is only in an open atmosphere of mature disclosure that real change has a chance of taking place and you are on the way to help your generation achieve that type of dialog.

Now, in the true spirit of this site, hop into a behind the back pair of handcuffs and watch a good movie to relax and have fun (GRIN).

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