## False Politics

Post by Jay Feely » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:32 pm

Is politics a lie? Are there even honest politicians out there?
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Post by Chloé The Librarian Extraordinaire » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:31 am

“People who believe in politics are like people who believe in God: they are sucking wind through bent straws.”
― Charles Bukowski

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Post by skybird137 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:41 am

Politics come from the following.
Poli = Poly = Many.
Tics = Blood sucking vermin.

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Post by Chris12 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:29 am

Lets twist that question around a bit.
Rather then ask if there are honest politicians out there we should ask how Politicians would be rewarding for their honesty....the answer is by NOT getting voted for. Given the choice between an honest story and that guy with the pretty blue eyes who assures us that, no really, no hard choices have to be made in an economic crisis(we just need to kick out the brown people!) then the later one is going to gather a lot more sympathy.
People vote for the people that say what they want to hear and if a politician doesn't say what they want to hear then that politician will get zero votes. Can you blame them for being dishonest if we don't even want that honesty?
And...I really think people are waaaay to quick to call a politician out for being dishonest. A politician could claim its a sunny day and he'd be immediately jumped on by people paranoid about him just wanting to issue a sun tax.

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Post by jsherwood » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:08 am

There is no such term as False Politics.

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Post by Tieup1 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:23 pm

Politicians say what they are told to, they tow the party line. Most of them are out of touch with reality, they don't debate issues sensibly, they are always trying to get one over on another party. We elect them, and they desert us.

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Post by drawscore » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:22 pm

"Honest politician?" Isn't that an oxymoron?
Drawscore

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Post by truly_trussed » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:22 am

Well DS, here in the States at least we have gone from Honest Abe to Tricky Dick and Slick Willie.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:27 pm

There hasn't been a truly honest politician in the US since Teddy Roosevelt died.
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Post by truly_trussed » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:16 pm

Don't forget Teddy is on Mount Rushmore. In 1896 he freaked out the Republican Establishment so much they put him on the ticket as VP. They figured he couldn't do much harm at that level. They didn't count on President McKinley getting assassinated.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:26 pm

> truly_trussed wrote:Don't forget Teddy is on Mount Rushmore. In 1896 he freaked out the Republican Establishment so much they put him on the ticket as VP. They figured he couldn't do much harm at that level. They didn't count on President McKinley getting assassinated.

Nothing there contrary to what I said.
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Post by Chris12 » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:32 am

> There hasn't been a truly honest politician in the US since Teddy Roosevelt died.

Wasn't the big stick that was his foreign policy quite messy? I don't think he's fondly remembered in Panama.

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Post by Chris12 » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:35 am

Congratulations Republicans but I hope you'l excuse me for my first reaction being ''yuck''
Isn't this just granting them even more tools to grind the governance of the US to a complete stop....again? The last time came disturbingly close to economic trouble.
I won't scream doom and gloom for the US yet but I do think the republicans have something to prove when it comes to using their power in good faith.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:41 am

> Chris12 wrote:Congratulations Republicans but I hope you'l excuse me for my first reaction being ''yuck''
> Isn't this just granting them even more tools to grind the governance of the US to a complete stop....again? The last time came disturbingly close to economic trouble.
> I won't scream doom and gloom for the US yet but I do think the republicans have something to prove when it comes to using their power in good faith.

I'm sure people like Drawscore are happy, but it only proves to me that Democracy has its flaws when the public are not well informed about the issues.
The GOP won big on the state level with the governorships too. My own state (however narrowly) re-elected a governor who is just about the biggest fool and asshole imaginable, and who anyone with any sense should have considered unelectable. My faith in human nature was already shattered when Bush won a second term en years ago though, so thiugh I am disappointed I'm not terribly shocked anymore. Many of my fellow Americans just have no GD sense at all.
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Post by truly_trussed » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:58 pm

Remember Jase, President Bush was a fluke president, the 4th one in U.S. history. That is becoming president while losing to Vice President Gore by 600,000 votes. The 3 previous flukes were John Quincy Adams, Rutherford Hayes, and Benjamin Harrison. Besides Bush, Adams and Harrison were direct descendants (son & grandson) of previous presidents. The three previous flukes lasted one term. They didn't have a Karl Rove and Katherine Harris.
BTW is the Electoral College a party school? T.T.
PS- Ralph Nader's run didn't help either. I'm a big fan but had he not run in Florida most of his 100,000 votes there would have gone to Gore making it harder for Bush to get elected, er selected.

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Post by xtc » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:14 pm

I hate to intrude on private grief but it does seem that the lunatics are in charge of the asylum.
By the way, was Dubya not only elected legitimately once?
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### Re: False Politics

Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:33 am

> Kimmi wrote:He won twice. The electoral collage votes put him in office as our system dictates. He was legally voted in twice.

This is technically correct but it evades the point that in one sense the Supreme Court decided the issue in 2000, not the electoral college. The count was too close to call in Florida (itself needed as a tie-breaker in electoral votes but NOT in popular votes) and the Supreme Court had to make a decision about the validity of some votes there that remains somewhat controversial to this day.
Dare to be different... and make a difference.
To boldly go where no one in their right mind has gone before...

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Post by drawscore » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:01 pm

> Jason Toddman wrote:

> > Chris12 wrote:Congratulations Republicans but I hope you'l excuse me for my first reaction being ''yuck''
> > Isn't this just granting them even more tools to grind the governance of the US to a complete stop....again? The last time came disturbingly close to economic trouble.
> > I won't scream doom and gloom for the US yet but I do think the republicans have something to prove when it comes to using their power in good faith.

> I'm sure people like Drawscore are happy, but it only proves to me that Democracy has its flaws when the public are not well informed about the issues.
> The GOP won big on the state level with the governorships too. My own state (however narrowly) re-elected a governor who is just about the biggest fool and asshole imaginable, and who anyone with any sense should have considered unelectable. My faith in human nature was already shattered when Bush won a second term en years ago though, so thiugh I am disappointed I'm not terribly shocked anymore. Many of my fellow Americans just have no GD sense at all.

If people were intelligent and well-informed, and knew what was going on in the country and world, instead of digesting all the crap fed to us by the Democrat lap dog media, a Democrat could not get elected to the office of dogcatcher.
Drawscore

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Post by misterg792000 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:42 pm

> drawscore wrote:If people were intelligent and well-informed, and knew what was going on in the country and world, instead of digesting all the crap fed to us

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Post by drawscore » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:48 pm

> Jason Toddman wrote:

> > Kimmi wrote:He won twice. The electoral collage votes put him in office as our system dictates. He was legally voted in twice.

> This is technically correct but it evades the point that in one sense the Supreme Court decided the issue in 2000, not the electoral college. The count was too close to call in Florida (itself needed as a tie-breaker in electoral votes but NOT in popular votes) and the Supreme Court had to make a decision about the validity of some votes there that remains somewhat controversial to this day.

Ahh, but how often we forget one little thing: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee, it would have put him over the top in electoral votes, and Florida would not have mattered.
But those that knew him best - his fellow Tennesseans - rejected him in favor of Bush.
Drawscore

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Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:17 am

> drawscore wrote:Ahh, but how often we forget one little thing: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee, it would have put him over the top in electoral votes, and Florida would not have mattered.
> But those that knew him best - his fellow Tennesseans - rejected him in favor of Bush.
> Drawscore

People don't always vote for the home grown boy; especially when their state is full of rednecks and religious nuts.
Dare to be different... and make a difference.
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Post by truly_trussed » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:15 am

In 2012 Governor Romney lost 4 out 5 states where he had a home. He lost his home state of Massachusetts, In California (where he has the car elevator in La Jolla), New Hampshire, and his native state of Michigan. The only state he did win was Utah. He also has a vacation home on Lake Huron in Ontario. If the province could vote for him, he'd have probably lost there too. T.T.

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Post by misterg792000 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:19 am

> drawscore wrote:

> > Jason Toddman wrote:

> > > Kimmi wrote:He won twice. The electoral collage votes put him in office as our system dictates. He was legally voted in twice.

> > This is technically correct but it evades the point that in one sense the Supreme Court decided the issue in 2000, not the electoral college. The count was too close to call in Florida (itself needed as a tie-breaker in electoral votes but NOT in popular votes) and the Supreme Court had to make a decision about the validity of some votes there that remains somewhat controversial to this day.

> Ahh, but how often we forget one little thing: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee, it would have put him over the top in electoral votes, and Florida would not have mattered.

Ahh but how you forget one little thing: that is completely irrelevant to the fact that Bush Jr remains the only non-elected President in history.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:44 am

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that though George Bush owns a summer home here in Maine and carried the state handily in his own 1988 election, his son GB Jr failed to do so both times he ran in 2000 and 2004. So really such statistics are totally meaningless; especially if you're going going to point it out when Dems flub it.
Dare to be different... and make a difference.
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Post by drawscore » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:33 pm

> Jason Toddman wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that though George Bush owns a summer home here in Maine and carried the state handily in his own 1988 election, his son GB Jr failed to do so both times he ran in 2000 and 2004. So really such statistics are totally meaningless; especially if you're going going to point it out when Dems flub it.

Ahhh, there is a difference between having a (vacation) home in one state, and a primary residence in another. Bush the younger's primary residence was Texas, a state he won easily, both in 2000, and in 2004.
Drawscore

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Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:51 pm

> drawscore wrote:

> > Jason Toddman wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that though George Bush owns a summer home here in Maine and carried the state handily in his own 1988 election, his son GB Jr failed to do so both times he ran in 2000 and 2004. So really such statistics are totally meaningless; especially if you're going going to point it out when Dems flub it.

> Ahhh, there is a difference between having a (vacation) home in one state, and a primary residence in another. Bush the younger's primary residence was Texas, a state he won easily, both in 2000, and in 2004.
> Drawscore

The most conservative state in the Union, bar none. A state that would likely vote for Hitler if he was a native son. Yeah, that's quite a recommendation all right.
Dare to be different... and make a difference.
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Post by truly_trussed » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:02 pm

Although DS, the demographics of the Lone Star State are changing. Texas has more registered Democratic voters then Republicans. Still for the next couple of cycles I'll give the edge to the GOP. The Democrats are more like to stay home on Election Day.
Now Australia has a 95% voter participation, because voting is mandatory. Sarobah can confirm this. If you don't exercise your right of suffrage without a good excuse you get fined the equivalent of a traffic ticket which increases until you show up at the polls. 21 other countries have the same policy.
I do remember a PSA that Madonna made for the '90 U.S. Midterms which ran on MTV. Her catchphrase was "Vote, or you'll get a spanking!" Well, an intrepid reporter checked the voter registration list in all the places she lived. (Manhattan, L.A., Malibu, Miami Beach and her hometown of Bay City, Michigan). There was no evidence she voted anywhere that year.
BTW I'm an Independent. I am not a Partisan Animal. T.T.

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Post by misterg792000 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:46 pm

> drawscore wrote:

> > Jason Toddman wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that though George Bush owns a summer home here in Maine and carried the state handily in his own 1988 election, his son GB Jr failed to do so both times he ran in 2000 and 2004. So really such statistics are totally meaningless; especially if you're going going to point it out when Dems flub it.

> Ahhh, there is a difference between having a (vacation) home in one state, and a primary residence in another. Bush the younger's primary residence was Texas, a state he won easily, both in 2000, and in 2004.

The Bushes are actually Yalies from Massachusetts, W's fake-redneck "aw shucks" routine notwithstanding. None of which changes the fact that you're really really reaching.

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Post by Kyle » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:53 pm

> misterg792000 wrote:

> > drawscore wrote:

> > > Jason Toddman wrote:

> > > > Kimmi wrote:He won twice. The electoral collage votes put him in office as our system dictates. He was legally voted in twice.

> > > This is technically correct but it evades the point that in one sense the Supreme Court decided the issue in 2000, not the electoral college. The count was too close to call in Florida (itself needed as a tie-breaker in electoral votes but NOT in popular votes) and the Supreme Court had to make a decision about the validity of some votes there that remains somewhat controversial to this day.

> > Ahh, but how often we forget one little thing: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee, it would have put him over the top in electoral votes, and Florida would not have mattered.

> Ahh but how you forget one little thing: that is completely irrelevant to the fact that Bush Jr remains the only non-elected President in history.

I have no idea who taught you this garbage, but it's wrong. Gerald Ford is the only president to have never been elected by the Electoral College. He was appointed as vice president after Spiro Agnew resigned and then became president after Richard Nixon resigned.

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Post by Kyle » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:05 pm

> Jason Toddman wrote:

> > drawscore wrote:Ahh, but how often we forget one little thing: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee, it would have put him over the top in electoral votes, and Florida would not have mattered.
> > But those that knew him best - his fellow Tennesseans - rejected him in favor of Bush.
> > Drawscore

> People don't always vote for the home grown boy; especially when their state is full of rednecks and religious nuts.

Never let it be said about you that you're above childish insults and stereotyping about a whole group of people Jason.