Israel Election

Postby jonson000001 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:00 am

PM Benjamin Netanyahu (Center-Right LIkud party) was re-elected and he will establish right-wing religious coalition.
Leader of the opposition Issac Herzog (center-left Labor party) faild to become PM.
Israel realation with the Obama Administration will probably reach a new low, the economy will not improve and a peace with the palestinain just got further away.
4 more year with Netanyahu. Maybe in 2019 the change will come.

Re: Israel Election

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:24 pm

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Re: Israel Election

Postby drawscore » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:53 pm

When you are bordered on three sides by hostile neighbors that want to "wipe you off the face of the map," I would say it is better to have a Churchill as prime minister, than a Chamberlain.

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Re: Israel Election

Postby Chris12 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:44 am

drawscore wrote:When you are bordered on three sides by hostile neighbors that want to "wipe you off the face of the map," I would say it is better to have a Churchill as prime minister, than a Chamberlain.

Drawscore


Not sure if that's a good analogy. Churchill didn't spit in Rooseveld's face when he needed him.

Re: Israel Election

Postby elusinius » Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:03 am

Churchill didn't make appeals to race hatred to win elections either.

Re: Israel Election

Postby Chris12 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:37 am

And none of those neighbors are any kind of Nazi Germany. Rather then being the strongest country on the earth those countries are a complete mess with either civil strife, civil war or sanctions crippling them. Israel has the strongest army in the middle east by far and big brother America the strongest army of the world.

Its rather hard for me to picture an endangered Israel when they are the ones holding the position of power. The only one in the middle east.

Re: Israel Election

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:51 am

Churchill wasn't the instigator of the strife in his times either; which makes the analogy even less apt.
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Re: Israel Election

Postby drawscore » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:35 am

>>>Not sure if that's a good analogy. Churchill didn't spit in Rooseveld's face when he needed him.<<<

Roosevelt did not tell Churchill to "bugger off," when he asked for help, either. And is Israel just supposed to sit there, and let terrorists lob mortars and rockets at them, and do nothing about it?

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Re: Israel Election

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:06 am

drawscore wrote:>>>Not sure if that's a good analogy. Churchill didn't spit in Rooseveld's face when he needed him.<<<

Roosevelt did not tell Churchill to "bugger off," when he asked for help, either. And is Israel just supposed to sit there, and let terrorists lob mortars and rockets at them, and do nothing about it?

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Perhaps not, but since the Israelis are the invaders in the first place, i can't say i have a lot of sympathy for them.
I'm not anti-semitic by a long shot, and not particularly pro-Muslim either - but I am strongly anti-Zionist. Imo it's the Zionists and those that have supported them who have created much of the tensions in the Middle East in the first place.
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Re: Israel Election

Postby elusinius » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:31 am

No you are not an anti semite!

It is Israel that has become a power station whose output is anti-semetism.
It is an obscene burlesque of the have for Jews it was meant to be.

As for Bibi, he has by his actions spat in the face of Diaspora Jews of good
will and conscience in America and elsewhere.

He has now sided withe the successors of the murderers of the civil rights
workers in Mississippi, two of whom were Jewish Americans. He has sided
with the lynch mob that murdered an innocent Jewish man in Georgia in
the early 20th century.

If you think that the Palins and Phil Robertson are friends of the Jews to
fulfill biblical prophesy you are mistaken. The only book that the that
lot wants to come to pass is the Turner Diaries!

Bibi has become a pocket Mussolini. It is a path as an American
I don't want to follow,

We have been on the crazy train since 2001. I want to get off.

Re: Israel Election

Postby jonson000001 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:02 am

drawscore wrote:When you are bordered on three sides by hostile neighbors that want to "wipe you off the face of the map," I would say it is better to have a Churchill as prime minister, than a Chamberlain.

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I can tell you, 100% that Netanyahu is NOT Churchill. If the IDF's cheif of staff, former head of Mossad and former head of Shin-Bet tell you that we should try to reach a sustainable peace in the region than maybe they are right. Ben Gurion, Begin, Rabin and Sharon were all great men, Netanyahu is not.

drawscore wrote:>>>Not sure if that's a good analogy. Churchill didn't spit in Rooseveld's face when he needed him.<<<

Roosevelt did not tell Churchill to "bugger off," when he asked for help, either. And is Israel just supposed to sit there, and let terrorists lob mortars and rockets at them, and do nothing about it?

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well one thing i say alot to my friends "USA does not owe us anything, Obama does not owe us anything" this is one of the main reason I don't like Netanyahu. Destroy our astratigig relation with the us is just stupid.

Re: Israel Election

Postby Chris12 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:06 am

drawscore wrote:>>>Not sure if that's a good analogy. Churchill didn't spit in Rooseveld's face when he needed him.<<<

Roosevelt did not tell Churchill to "bugger off," when he asked for help, either. And is Israel just supposed to sit there, and let terrorists lob mortars and rockets at them, and do nothing about it?

Drawscore


Um I'm not sure if Israel could ever not count on big brother America's protection. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to do with the terrorist part. I was actually sort of on Israel's side in the Gaza mess last year since it was a fight the Palestinians provoked despite being to weak to have any business fighting. They don't need wars and missiles but an Arabian Mandela.
But we aren't talking about that but about ''Bibi's'' rather ungrateful attitude towards his ally. The USA owes Israel nothing while Israel owes them...well, everything. Its not in their interest to get haughty to what's perhaps their only friend.

Re: Israel Election

Postby misterg792000 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:45 pm

I dunno, the Churchill comparison is apt. I mean, the UK was occupying Germany illegally for 50+ years, oppressing their citizens, restricting their freedom of movement, regularly murdering them and using German children as human shields, right?

Re: Israel Election

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:26 pm

misterg792000 wrote:I dunno, the Churchill comparison is apt. I mean, the UK was occupying Germany illegally for 50+ years, oppressing their citizens, restricting their freedom of movement, regularly murdering them and using German children as human shields, right?

One assumes that this was meant to be a facetious statement and not a horrible misunderstanding of history.
That was in India, not Germany. :mrgreen:
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Re: Israel Election

Postby misterg792000 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:34 am

Jason Toddman wrote:
misterg792000 wrote:I dunno, the Churchill comparison is apt. I mean, the UK was occupying Germany illegally for 50+ years, oppressing their citizens, restricting their freedom of movement, regularly murdering them and using German children as human shields, right?

One assumes that this was meant to be a facetious statement and not a horrible misunderstanding of history.
That was in India, not Germany. :mrgreen:


The assumption is correct, which I figured went without saying, I just had to reply to applaud the sick colonial India burn

Re: Israel Election

Postby jonson000001 » Tue May 05, 2015 4:45 am

late drama in the coaltion games:
Netanyahu planned to build a 67 knesset members (out of 120) coalition, but the 6 seats party "Yisrael Beytenu" lkeader Avigdor Liberman anaounced yesterday that he will not join. That leave Netanyahu with a super narrow, "61", coalition. But it is not all 8 seast party "The Jawish Home" makes traboule and not yet join the coalition (as now Netanyahu has 53 seast). the dead line is tomorow and Netanhau may fail to bulid coalition.
There is a real chance that we will have another election in augost or september!

Re: Israel Election

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue May 05, 2015 6:47 am

Personally i think of Netanyahu as 'NutandYahoo', and among the top ten contenders for those who destabilize world peace - including ISIS, Putin, Kim ill-in-the-head Jung, Assad, China, Al Quida, and a few others. His tactics may be considered acceptable by the US, but the man totally disgusts me.
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Re: Israel Election

Postby jonson000001 » Tue May 05, 2015 7:59 am

Jason Toddman wrote:Personally i think of Netanyahu as 'NutandYahoo', and among the top ten contenders for those who destabilize world peace - including ISIS, Putin, Kim ill-in-the-head Jung, Assad, China, Al Quida, and a few others. His tactics may be considered acceptable by the US, but the man totally disgusts me.


let me tell you that: I didn't vote to him, I don't like him, I hope he will not sucsseed to bulid a coalition and will not be Prime Minster.
He is bad Prime Minster both in interial metters and forigen policy. He murdered our realationship with the USA and the Obama administration, he won this election with a racist cheep trick and his coalition is very bad to Israel.

BUT!!! he is not even close to ISIS, North korea or Assad. he was chosen (sadly) in a democratic way, he doesn't murder his own people or kill non belivers. he is bad, but your statment is poor.

Re: Israel Election

Postby misterg792000 » Tue May 05, 2015 8:25 am

jonson000001 wrote:he was chosen (sadly) in a democratic way, he doesn't murder his own people or kill non belivers


Only due to the technicality of not granting citizenship to the Arabs whose land they have illegally occupied for nearly 50 years, partly because it would threaten the status of Jews as the majority in Israel. Ergo, he purposefully keeps "non-believers" from becoming "his own people" but murders them anyway.

Re: Israel Election

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue May 05, 2015 10:00 am

jonson000001 wrote:BUT!!! he is not even close to ISIS, North korea or Assad. he was chosen (sadly) in a democratic way, he doesn't murder his own people or kill non belivers. he is bad, but your statment is poor.

I compare him to those others because his uncompromising positions toward the Palestinians is much akin to Hiter's liebenstraum. Remember, whatever you think of Muslims in general or palenstinians in particular, they were there first! They're mostly descendants of the Samaritans (remember them?) who were never displaced from their land by the romans because they were smart enough not to raise a ruckus against hopeless odds. Sure they got converted to islam later (likely because again they were smart enough to not opt for only only available option; namely, to get slaughtered as infidels), but they still have a better claim to the land.
Imo what the Israelis are doing now is little different from what white settlers did to the Native Americans (aka Indians) from the late 15th century onward. Sorry if that offends but that's just the way i see it. The Palestinians hate Israelis for what I consider perfectly legitimate reasons. I don't terrorism of course but imo it's a natural outgrowth of what has been happening there. Same story as what took place in the Maccabean and New testament times, actually... only in reverse.
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Re: Israel Election

Postby jonson000001 » Tue May 05, 2015 11:21 am

the argument that "they were there first" is true but have few problems
1.most of the firs "Aliyot" were pepole that came fairly, bough lands and statlled there.
2.In the 1948 war there were arabs how left their home, I can't argue with that. I can argue with the fact that they was responsible to the war.
3. I can understand the anger of the arabs but the state of Israel is a fact and both sides need to learn how to live together in peace.

for Netanhahu I would prefer you explain yourself beacuse I did not understand what did you ment.

Re: Israel Election

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue May 05, 2015 12:43 pm

I meant that netanyahu (netanhahu? :big: ) seems to feel that it's fine to dispossess Palestinians of their own land and treat them like second class citizens; precisely as Hitler did in Poland, Czechoslavakia, and elsewhere. It only proves that despite a long history of oppression, Jews (or, rather, Zionists) can oppress other people right along with the best of them (worst of them?) when they have the upper hand (about the only time in history they ever have had it in modern times).
Just to be clear, I am NOT anti-semetic. Being a laid-back agnostic, what other people prefer as their religion makes no difference to me one way or the other. But I am anti-Zionist, because to me Zionism is simply Nazism with the shoe on the other foot.
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Re: Israel Election

Postby AlexUSA » Wed May 06, 2015 6:01 pm

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Re: Israel Election

Postby misterg792000 » Wed May 06, 2015 6:20 pm

AlexUSA wrote:I normally try to avoid doing more than reading, but you'd be surprised to read the actual history of this land. The conflict is real, but "illegally occupied" may not quite be the truth. I only suggest you read reliable historical texts (meaning not Wikipedia or media reports of the last 40 years) to find out what has really been happening for the last few centuries.


The last few centuries have no bearing whatsoever on the legality of Israel's brutal occupation 1967-present. If you're going to down that road, one could state that Poland belongs to the Prussians or whatnot.

Not that the US will ever have the sack to do anything about it either way. For all his idiocy, Pat Buchanan was on the money when he called congress "Zionist-occupied territory" and evangelicals will keep licking their boots since the rapture is gonna happen ANY DAY NOW!

Re: Israel Election

Postby AlexUSA » Thu May 07, 2015 1:18 am

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