Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:31 pm

Many seem to be confused as to the difference between a healthy interest in TUGs and unhealthy fetishes and going too far. Admittedly, the line may be drawn differently due to differing personal values, but I have noted several of you have difficulties with your video sites and pictures being censored and taken down regularly. That may be one definition. Just a thought! If you have experienced this several times, it may be time to seek help. I never have. This site seems to maintain itself pretty well too, despite how some of you seem to do your best to get it in trouble.

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Re: Where's the line???

Postby cellofello » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:32 pm

ron wrote:Many seem to be confused as to the difference between a healthy interest in TUGs and unhealthy fetishes and going too far. Admittedly, the line may be drawn differently due to differing personal values, but I have noted several of you have difficulties with your video sites and pictures being censored and taken down regularly. That may be one definition. Just a thought! If you have experienced this several times, it may be time to seek help


Of course, the issue of having pictures and video taken down may have nothing to do with the difference between healthy and unhealthy fetishes, but simply indicate the difference between fair use and copyright violation....

Re: Where's the line???

Postby Jay Feely » Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:28 am

Keep in mind that is what is normal for some people is not for some people.

In fact, here are common reasons why videos get taken down:

1. Because it's too violent for the site. You have to follow the rules for it
2. Because it's someone else property that was not intended to be on the Internet
You will have to subdue me to restrain me. I been a bad boy so make sure you torture me too with anything but pain.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:44 pm

And if you are posting content which is too violent or too racy and is being taken down, I would suggest you have a problem. Denial...yeah...

I get the part about ownership, or lack thereof, but having content taken down for being too violent or racy is concerning to say the least. The failure to be able to see that by some only reveals how blinded we become when we get sucked in by unhealthy addictions.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby Fesselfan » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:49 am

Life itself is unhealthy...it invariably ends with death.
Besides that...you seem quite obsessed with what is "unhealthy" or not. Well, if that is a turn-on for you- fine. Just don't assume that your morals fit for everyone, or even a majority.
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:40 am

Fesselfan wrote:Life itself is unhealthy...it invariably ends with death.
Besides that...you seem quite obsessed with what is "unhealthy" or not. Well, if that is a turn-on for you- fine. Just don't assume that your morals fit for everyone, or even a majority.


When did I say my morals should "fit for anyone else"? That is not the point. I do think a lot about truths larger than myself. Contrary to the notion that I know it all and everyone must conform to me, my Christian faith teaches me that there is an infinite God who knows it all and I know very little. I do admit that many who call themselves Christian do enjoy imposing their beliefs on others and lining out rules and regulations, but the Jesus of the Bible didn't do that and that says something to me. He did say there are places we should and shouldn't go, and He said we should seek daily to be more like Him. That is why it is so ludicrous for me or you for that matter to say we have a handle on the infinite.

A glimpse of the infinite can be seen through God's word, and through the lessons of history, which is why dismissing it out of hand is kind of silly. The statement that life itself is unhealthy and inevitably ends in death is tragic and fatalistic. It is sad to me that anyone would be so lost that they would look at life as just that. I would rather seek daily, or be obsessed by as you put it, an infinite, holy, and perfect God, rather than twittle away my few years of life on folly, only to find I missed out on so much.

No person is an island. There are wise choices to be made. Hence the question, where is the line? Behavior can become self destractive and harmful to others. Fetishes tend to be that way whether you acknowledge that or not so differentiating a hobby from a fetish is important to me. I don't think God as I understand Him objects to hobbies and healthy pasttimes, but orgies and fetishes He does. Each of us has a lot to contribute to this broken world. To spend one's entire life on orgies and fetishes is a loss to humanity.

As for TUGs, I see no evidence that they rise to that level of unhealthy, but they can. I won't answer that for you, unless you are causing harm. When society feels you are over the line, I do too.

Many strongly object to God then spend their lives looking for love and happiness in all the wrong places. There are 66 books in the Bible. That's a lot. But when they asked Jesus what the most important commandment was, His answer was hardly objectionable or imposing. He said to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and stregnth, and to love your neighbor as yourself. If the world spent its time obsessing over just that, it would be a better place.

So, am I some sort of a troll who came here to preach the gospel? No. You brought it up. I like TUGs and if kept to the limits the site says it adheres to, that is OK with me.

Now, excuse me but I can't write much more now :bound:

Re: Where's the line???

Postby Fesselfan » Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:49 am

From what I read you are projecting your own insecureties onto other people.
Thinking about "when does something become unhealthy for others" often enough is just an alias of "is it unhealthy to me".

If that "god" is your way- fine for me. If it's the invisible pink unicorn- fine for me, too.
You once wrote that christians are often perceived as haughty...well, read your text before and you find one reason for it. You (most likely unconscious) project your own sense of morality to the world around you, thinking in black/white patterns ("christinaity" vs "orgies all day long" being just one example).
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:02 am

Fesselfan wrote:From what I read you are projecting your own insecureties onto other people.
Thinking about "when does something become unhealthy for others" often enough is just an alias of "is it unhealthy to me".

If that "god" is your way- fine for me. If it's the invisible pink unicorn- fine for me, too.
You once wrote that christians are often perceived as haughty...well, read your text before and you find one reason for it. You (most likely unconscious) project your own sense of morality to the world around you, thinking in black/white patterns ("christinaity" vs "orgies all day long" being just one example).


Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the father except throughme. THAT is exclusive and uncompromising, but I didn't come up with it!














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Re: Where's the line???

Postby Fesselfan » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:13 am

Agreed...that is not your qoute, but one of a translator translating something someone -living several generations after another person- thought that person might have said.
Sounds confusing? It is, indeed!

My bottom line- if you want to discuss with me, I am looking forward to it. Just don't assume that a book full of fairy-tales can be a valid reason for anything to me.
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:19 am

Fesselfan wrote:Agreed...that is not your qoute, but one of a translator translating something someone -living several generations after another person- thought that person might have said.
Sounds confusing? It is, indeed!

My bottom line- if you want to discuss with me, I am looking forward to it. Just don't assume that a book full of fairy-tales can be a valid reason for anything to me.


"book full of fairy-tales "

I' enjoy conversation from those who are interested in the honest exchange of ideas including those who steadfastly disagree with me. Thus far, it appears to me that you are most interested in belittling my sincerely held religious beliefs. My God is big enough for any who oppose Him, but it is a waste of time to engage in foolish arguements.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby xtc » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:11 am

Ron,
You are entitled to your standpoint, as Fesselfan is to his and the rest of us are to ours.
You accuse people of doing their best to get the site in trouble. That is ridiculous.
Have you considered not whether other people’s preferences are suited to this site but whether you yourself are? No. I think not, in spite of the fact that there seems to be so much of which you don’t approve.

There is a great deal on this site of which I do not approve (including your constant preaching) but there is also much that I enjoy. My recommendation is simple: respect the predilections of others and just don’t read the bits of which you don’t approve. That is what I do. They are easy enough to spot either by scanning the start of a story or by recognising the writers’ names.

There are other Christian contributors on this site, including the prolific Jay, who don’t seem to find the need to use this site as a pulpit. I too am a deeply religious man (Åsatrú) but I don’t ram my ideas down your throat. I now make the following exception from “The words of the High One”.

“Beware of over bidding
For gift ever requires gift.”
[from “Hávamál” in the Poetic Edda]

If you ask too much of others, perhaps they will demand from you that which you will not be prepared to give.

PS. Fesselfan, They’re NOT fairy-stories (folk tales or “Household Tales” (Grimm)), but they might well be legends and poetic interpretations of legends (Revelation).

OK. I’ll get back into my box now but this is getting VERY tedious!
Boxer shorts are cool,
but little speedos rule!

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Re: Where's the line???

Postby Chase Ricks » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:38 am

I agree with xtc and Fesselfan and BinderUk. There is nothing wrong with being a Christian and enjoying to be turned on by the stories found here. You bring up the Bible ron. Ever wondered just how many times Old and New Testament prophets are captured? Case in point Paul and Jeremiah.

Jeremiah at one point is held within the city dungeons and fed on bread and water of affliction while in a stockade because what he was preaching was not taken kindly to by the king at the time. Can you imagine how he must have felt?
From whence I came and whence I went heaven said I was too evil and sent me to hell. Demons and devils succeeded in breaking my soul.

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Re: Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:44 am

There is lots of pornography and over the top content on the internet (news flash). The selection of sites where TUGs are discussed without crossing the lines of civility are few. What attracted me to this site was the description in the true TUG forum:

True TUGs Stories
Ever been tied up and gagged by your babysitter, your brother or sister, a cousin or a friend? Did you have any good bondage experiences while growing up? Have you been captured by the next door girl while playing Cowboys and Indians? Have you been tied up by your roommates, girlfriend/boyfriend, or during hazing or a sports team imitation This forum is for you to post stories about, or discuss, TRUE experiences of TUGs (tie-up games) in which you were involved. These stories should be about games that do not have intimate or sexual overtones.

Where the line is is important for me and those like me who aspire to something higher. I immediately hop off anytime a site pops up which crosses the lines of decency which is why I do not appreciate posts in the true TUG section which violate the above description. One post was prefaced in bold letters: DO NOT CONTINUE IF YOU OBJECT TO STORIES WITH LESBIAN SEX or something like that. While misplaced, at least the writer was courteous enough to preface it like that.

To me, talking about TUGs is like hikers talking about hiking or rock climbers talking about rock climbing. It's an activity, a hobby. There are other sub-forums and multitudionous pornographic sites for those who feel they must. Imposing that upon me is an assault as is posting such trash in the true TUG section IMHO.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:46 am

Shane Bikman wrote:I agree with xtc and Fesselfan and BinderUk. There is nothing wrong with being a Christian and enjoying to be turned on by the stories found here. You bring up the Bible ron. Ever wondered just how many times Old and New Testament prophets are captured? Case in point Paul and Jeremiah.

Jeremiah at one point is held within the city dungeons and fed on bread and water of affliction while in a stockade because what he was preaching was not taken kindly to by the king at the time. Can you imagine how he must have felt?


Yeah, the story of Samson and Delilah always came across as a TUG too!

Re: Where's the line???

Postby Chase Ricks » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:56 am

ron wrote:
Shane Bikman wrote:I agree with xtc and Fesselfan and BinderUk. There is nothing wrong with being a Christian and enjoying to be turned on by the stories found here. You bring up the Bible ron. Ever wondered just how many times Old and New Testament prophets are captured? Case in point Paul and Jeremiah.

Jeremiah at one point is held within the city dungeons and fed on bread and water of affliction while in a stockade because what he was preaching was not taken kindly to by the king at the time. Can you imagine how he must have felt?


Yeah, the story of Samson and Delilah always came across as a TUG too!


There are other examples I could use but decided not to. I myself never have attempted to force others to believe I am in the right always. Neither should you but let everyone do things in their own view like in the reign of the Judges but online only. I am a Christian but I do not like to read about others abusing right to beliefs because they differ from how one might think they should be followed.
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Re: Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:20 am

That I may be aspiring to something higher than myself should not imply your or anyone else is not.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby GoneGoneGone » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:24 am

ron wrote:That I may be aspiring to something higher than myself should not imply your or anyone else is not.


Fair enough, although in the context of your post that's how I read it.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:26 am

BinderUK wrote:
ron wrote:That I may be aspiring to something higher than myself should not imply your or anyone else is not.


Fair enough, although in the context of your post that's how I read it.


Likewise, fair enough!

Re: Where's the line???

Postby Scottstud94 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:10 pm

On a side note if you read all of this without skimming, kudos to you!

Re: Where's the line???

Postby nazjbu » Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:59 am

1) Basically it comes down to this. Ron has simply reminded all of us to be careful what we are posting. There are clearly some boundaries here on the site, and that has nothing to do with personal beliefs and/or religion. This shouldn't be about what you think the boundaries are. Frankly, I could care less about your thoughts on this. But I ask that you please respect what the site is made for. Tie Up Games. In my mind, it is not a game if it is adult content. Ron, you should be careful of trying to use your own opinion to what is right and wrong for somebody else. While I do believe that you are right, often is best to keep silent on other people's boundaries and rules that they have for themselves.

2) Fesselfan: beware of calling the Bible fairy tales. I am a Christian as well, and believe the Bible to be God's perfect and holy word. Theoretically, if I am wrong about the Bible, and it's not true, than I have nothing to lose other than the fact that I was believing a lie. However, since I know this to not be the case, I choose to believe. However, if you claim the Bible to be false, and it is true, that is a much more dangerous path to be on, my friend. All I am trying to say is that, while we may not all agree with each other's view points and beliefs, that does not mean we should belittle them or poke fun at them.

Thanks,
nazjbu
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Re: Where's the line???

Postby Fesselfan » Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:14 am

Well...for me I have no problem calling the bible (literally) untrue. If there really is this god, and he wants to punish me for standing in for my beliefs...be it that way. How do you know that the bible is word of god? and not the Quran? Or the famed invisible pink unicorn?
Well...fact is, you can't know. That's why it's called belief- you have to believe it or not. I am very glad to live in a time&country where it's safe to believe in whatever religion you like (or not). Times where "non-believers" or "infidels" where put to death in various gruesome fashions are history in many parts of the world, and IMHO this is one of the single most important steps humanity has ever archived.

As for this board- I think it's up to the admins of this board to decide what fits and what not. And as you put it- I could frankly care less about what some other persons think about it. Or a stroy collection book, debated and altered over centuries, translated forth and back. If you do- it's fine to me. Just don't push it down my throat and assume that I have to think along the same lines.

Cheers

FF
There are 10 kind of people in the world.
Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby trammel » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:05 pm

We cannot be absolutely certain that absolute truth does not exist! Something for me to ponder the next time I'm tied up :bound:

Re: Where's the line???

Postby nazjbu » Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:34 pm

Very true.
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Re: Where's the line???

Postby KittyReaper » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:29 am

Fesselfan wrote:Well...for me I have no problem calling the bible (literally) untrue. If there really is this god, and he wants to punish me for standing in for my beliefs...be it that way. How do you know that the bible is word of god? and not the Quran? Or the famed invisible pink unicorn?
Well...fact is, you can't know. That's why it's called belief- you have to believe it or not. I am very glad to live in a time&country where it's safe to believe in whatever religion you like (or not). Times where "non-believers" or "infidels" where put to death in various gruesome fashions are history in many parts of the world, and IMHO this is one of the single most important steps humanity has ever archived.

As for this board- I think it's up to the admins of this board to decide what fits and what not. And as you put it- I could frankly care less about what some other persons think about it. Or a stroy collection book, debated and altered over centuries, translated forth and back. If you do- it's fine to me. Just don't push it down my throat and assume that I have to think along the same lines.

Cheers

FF


fellow non believer here. The problem with the god concept is that there are over 100 thousand million suns in the milky way galaxy alone. How many of those are capable of sustaining life? We don't know, but doesn't it seem rather illogical that out of everything in the entire universe that an all powerful being would only give the truth of the universe to one planet that is only a single speck of dust in the universe.

Re: Where's the line???

Postby nazjbu » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:21 am

Since I believe God created the ENTIRE universe them it would be no problem for him to choose just one to create life. And as far as we know, Earth holds the only life in the universe.
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Re: Where's the line???

Postby drawscore » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:29 pm

nazjbu wrote:Since I believe God created the ENTIRE universe them it would be no problem for him to choose just one to create life. And as far as we know, Earth holds the only life in the universe.



Ahh, but the question is, since the universe is all that vast, do you really think or believe, that God, in His infinite wisdom, would confine life as we know it, to one tiny, no, infinitesimal, speck? Think of the sun as the universe, and a grain of sand as the earth. (And you can put a million earths in the sun.)

Already, in excess of 300 planets outside our solar system have been discovered. Maybe one or two fall within the "magic zone" where liquid water, and hence, life as we know it, can exist, but if there are ten billion stars (10,000,000,000) (which is a conservative estimate), each with an average of five orbiting planets, you have 50 billion planets. Now, if there is an average of 1.25 planets per star that fall into that "magic zone," that gives you 12,500,000,000 potentially habitable planets. And if just one out of ten actually DOES support life, that's 1,250,000,000 planets out there with life, and civilizations that may range from our Stone Age, to far advanced of our own.

The sheer number of stars indicates that the possibility, and even the probability of life outside our own little corner of the Milky Way, is quite significant. I believe it's there. Whether such life will be contacted, or will contact us in my lifetime, is unknown. But I consider a "federation of planets" a very real possibility 500 years from now. Maybe even sooner.

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Re: Where's the line???

Postby nazjbu » Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:00 pm

Until I see proof that there is other life on other planets, than I won't believe it. We as humans are God's special creation.
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