Jason Toddman wrote:Apparently supports the crackdown on US nuns though, so I guess his humility has some limits.
mikeybound wrote:I think just the fact that he's ethnic says something about the entire Catholic Church's character. They've come a long way from teaching that the Mark of Cain is dark skin.
bind-me wrote:You take one look atq vatileeks.com and you will see the true face of the catholic church
Jason Toddman wrote:I myself think the Catholic Church lost its relevance centuries ago and now is an anachronism at best.
Antonius wrote:Jason Toddman wrote:I myself think the Catholic Church lost its relevance centuries ago and now is an anachronism at best.
Now, do you mean relevance, or usefulness? Because they're hardly irrelevant. One billion plus followers tends to keep an organization going...
A better way to put it would be to say that they are no longer useful, but the Catholic church was never particularly useful in the first place.
bind-me wrote:Well to be honest mate that's language one employs when one is pissed at mother fuckers fucking boys
h and if you eant to hear bad language you should Hear me talk about this this my Irish father when me and his grt drunk out of skulls s
Jason Toddman wrote:Antonius wrote:Jason Toddman wrote:I myself think the Catholic Church lost its relevance centuries ago and now is an anachronism at best.
Now, do you mean relevance, or usefulness? Because they're hardly irrelevant. One billion plus followers tends to keep an organization going...
A better way to put it would be to say that they are no longer useful, but the Catholic church was never particularly useful in the first place.
Both words might be true actually. A great many of those believers don't actually firmly believe what the Catholic Church teaches; its proscriptions against abortion and contraception for example. They attend mass rarely if at all, don' believe the Pope is Christ's vicar on Earth, and indeed live their lives pretty much the same as non-Catholics do. To me, that makes the Church irrelevant.
I disagree that the Church was not always useful. For many centuries it was actually the cultural center of Europe, and also helped preserve classical literature there as well (though not as well as the Islamic nations did for a time). It gave hope of a better life (whether real or not is immaterial) to many millions of people who lived in abject poverty and were little better than slaves;helping them to maintain the will to go on. Unfortunately, it also got too involved in politics and literally ran Europe into the ground for centuries as well; hence the Protestant movement. Ever since Martin Luther developed a church more in tune with the times (something that happens every now and then, giving us the various denominations and splinter groups [like the LDS] we have today) the Catholic Church has been increasingly out of step with modern societal needs (preaching against contraception in a world with an exploding population control problem is, imo, utterly insane) and that's what I mean by irrelevant.
However, I'd argue that any good they did there would be negated during the years of scientific repression at the hands of the Inquisition. For every hundred people they may have filled with hope, they would find one person trying to better explain the world we live in and burn them. Alive.
Antonius wrote:I see what you mean about being useful from a cultural standpoint. However, I'd argue that any good they did there would be negated during the years of scientific repression at the hands of the Inquisition. For every hundred people they may have filled with hope, they would find one person trying to better explain the world we live in and burn them. Alive.
Fan_Of_Blindfolds wrote:However, I'd argue that any good they did there would be negated during the years of scientific repression at the hands of the Inquisition. For every hundred people they may have filled with hope, they would find one person trying to better explain the world we live in and burn them. Alive.
Can we get some actual hard data here?
bind-me wrote:It's not that I'm against Christianity I just I just can not tolerate peoples human rights being violated because of peoples own personal beliefs. And that goes for a lot of religions, scary fact 93% of people who have been killed in the middle east have been killed by Muslims for bot being the right type of Muslim. Wish some one told that to the idiots who butchered lee Rigby
bind-me wrote:Well to be honest mate Islam is what Christianity was just a few centuries ago but they've just got more violent toys