## cartoons

Post by xtc » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:51 am

Road Runner rules! As the director said, "Plot? What's plot? Let's get on with the violence!"
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Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:12 am

I still love cartoons myself and i'm 20 years older than you are. However, though I do enjoy the occasional Looney Tunes cartoons as well, my preferences are for the more 'serious' cartoons like the original Jonny Quest and various other American action/adventure/sci-fi/-superhero cartoons that came out in the 1960s thru the 1980s, plus certain Japanese anime programs such as Dragonball Z.
I have the same taste in comic books as well... or at least I did when comic books were still worth buying... as comic books are simply motionless cartoons set on paper.
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Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:28 am

> george1909 wrote:What i always find amazing about the cartoons like looney toons is how they could time the music with the animation it is very hard to do yet they always got it spot on in their timing also the sheer fact that for each second they had to complete 24 seperate individual drawings all of which were very detailed animation blows my mind. i do like family guy in todays genre but i think looney toons will always be my fave my second best are the disney cartoons like jungle book and snow white

Well, i think you may be misunderstanding the complexity of animation. They don't make completely new drawings for each of those 24 frames you know; they re-use the elements that don't change (such as backgrounds) over and over again. the only things re-drawn are the things that actually change (legs when the character runs, for example). And even those are re-used over and over every few frames. Click on a typical cartoon where someone (say the road runner) is doing something repetitive (like running) and you'll see the exact same positions repeated every few frames. This will be less obvious with theatrical releases of course (which many of the original and best looney tunes cartoons were) than with cheaper made for TV cartoons, but it'll still be there. This of course saves a lot of time and money in the production, which will be complex enough as it is even so.
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### Re: cartoons

Post by xtc » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:43 am

I believe there is a difference between minimal animation and the original Disney technique in, say, "Sleeping Beauty"
However, I believe the studio should stick to mangling American literature. Think how good "Lady and the Tramp" is compared to the travesties that were "The Jungle Book" and, the even worse abortion that was "Winnie the Pooh". Don't even get me started on "Mary Poppins" . . .
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Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:58 am

> xtc wrote:I believe there is a difference between minimal animation and the original Disney technique in, say, "Sleeping Beauty"

Oh yes, there's a huge difference (my favorite TV cartoons definitely did not have quality animation as one of their strong points; not even Jonny Quest). For one thing, in limited animation changes occur only in every other frame; frames are always paired so that essentially you only see the equivalent of 12 frames a second instead of 24... even though they still use 24 frames a second. But even so a lot of stuff gets re-used even in the best productions. If you think the characters in even the best Disney movie are drawn completely from scratch for each and every frame in the movie, i can make you a great deal in buying the Brooklyn Bridge.
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### Re: cartoons

Post by xtc » Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:23 am

OoooH Goody. How much?
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Post by Chris12 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:23 pm

Doesn't matter if its a cartoon, live action or anime. If its worth watched i'l watch it.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:41 pm

> Chris12 wrote:Doesn't matter if its a cartoon, live action or anime. If its worth watched i'l watch it.

I think it's the 'worth watching' part that is the sticking point for most adults concerning cartoons. In the US at least, there's been a perception (at least until recently) that cartoons of whatever type are strictly for kids; as an art-form cartoons haven't been taken as seriously here as they have in Japan and Europe.
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Post by xtc » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:29 pm

That's a shame really. I remember the old (1960's) black & white cartoon of "The Tell Tale Heart": adult and very good indeed.
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Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:10 pm

> xtc wrote:That's a shame really. I remember the old (1960's) black & white cartoon of "The Tell Tale Heart": adult and very good indeed.

Was it a British production? I've heard of the story of course but don't know of any cartoon version if it.
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Post by Chris12 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:48 am

> Jason Toddman wrote:

> > Chris12 wrote:Doesn't matter if its a cartoon, live action or anime. If its worth watched i'l watch it.

> I think it's the 'worth watching' part that is the sticking point for most adults concerning cartoons. In the US at least, there's been a perception (at least until recently) that cartoons of whatever type are strictly for kids; as an art-form cartoons haven't been taken as seriously here as they have in Japan and Europe.

I think they aren't really seen as art anywhere else either. I wouldn't know if I viewed them as one but as long as it has an interesting plot, good characters and some fights I find it worth watching.

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Post by xtc » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:06 am

Tell Tale Heart.
American production with James Mason narrating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4s9V8aQu4c
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Post by Jason Toddman » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:19 am

> xtc wrote:Tell Tale Heart.
> American production with James Mason narrating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4s9V8aQu4c

Definitely never saw that before, or even heard of it. Heard of James Mason though.

> Chris12 wrote:[ I wouldn't know if I viewed them as one but as long as it has an interesting plot, good characters and some fights I find it worth watching.

My point is that what one person considers worthwhile, another might consider garbage. However, i can think of many shows that (for me) meet those criteria you listed that you never heard of and might consider dull because of the poor quality of animation and the fact that they were produced way back in the 1960s.
Here's one i used to geek out over, as much for the techno-musical score as for the action (which admittedly had minimal plot):
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/pla ... ge=0&&tt=b
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### Re: cartoons

Post by xtc » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:54 pm

> george1909 wrote:

> > xtc wrote: I believe the studio should stick to mangling American literature.

> The Jungle Book is epic though and it was and still is a worldwide fave why you not like it ?

Inappropriate characterisations and wholesale Americanisation that goes against the spirit of the original. Would an American audience not be able to cope without American accents? Let's face it: the mighty dollar overrides all other considerations, artistic and otherwise.
End of rant . . .
. . . for now.
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Post by Jason Toddman » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:14 pm

Actually I always liked the movie The Jungle Book. I remember the movie version of Mowgli as being one of the first fictional characters that I fantasized having my particular brand of TUGs with when I was 11 years old; along with Jonny Quest and Dorno (the kid from The Herculoids) from then-Saturday-morning TV cartoons.
Btw am I alone in having fantasized having boy cartoon characters tie me up when I was a kid, or has anyone else imagined this during their childhood as well?
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