horrible crime

Postby Jay Feely » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:15 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/us/virgin ... index.html

these assholes deserve life without parole. How can anyone justify killing a 7th grader?
You will have to subdue me to restrain me. I been a bad boy so make sure you torture me too with anything but pain.

Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:24 pm

Even worse, killing her was the plan all along. People like that deserve the death penalty; no question.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby truly_trussed » Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:55 pm

This reminds me of the kidnapping and killing of 14 year old Bobby Franks, a Chicago shoolboy in May, 1924. The perps were Leopold and Loeb, two 19 year old students from the University of Chicago. Both were extremely smart. They were thrill killers. Clarence Darrow was their lawyer and he saved them from the gallows back when capital punishment was very common.

Re: horrible crime

Postby drawscore » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:01 am

Well, this will probably earn me a few bricks tossed in my direction, but this crime is ample justification for replacing the electric chair, with electric bleachers.

Unfortunately, these shit stains will, undoubtedly, spend 20-30 years on Death Row before they get the ride on the gurney. But on a more positive note, prisoners who kill or molest children are the lowest forms of life in the prison hierarchy, and if left alone or unguarded, quite often get the crap beat out of them, or are even killed by the other inmates.

Couldn't happen to nicer people.

Drawscore

Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:36 am

Electric bleachers will never work... costs too much electricity.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby 31acujoker » Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:27 pm

By wishing these people die horrible deaths, are you any better than they are? Just think about that.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby truly_trussed » Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:20 am

Acujoker, step outdoors and look skyward for the flying sows. Jason Toddman and Drawscore are in agreement. They're also Americans and tend to be a little more vengeful then their world counterparts. Attached is a poll from the Gallup organization. This article is about 3 years old but it shows that about 60% of Yanks are in favor of the death penalty. 20 years ago it was something like 80%. As a society we're still out for revenge but support is becoming less and less.

Capital punishment is on the books in 31 of the 50 states but widely practiced in just a handful of states, Virginia where this case happened is one of those. Still I won't shed too many tears for these heinous cases should that couple be found guilty. Child and cop killers usually don't get much sympathy.

In the US most people on death row are guilty, most people. In there last 40 years something like 155 death row inmates have been exonerated. In at least a couple of cases (Texas and Georgia) a couple of people were executed that many feel were innocent. Still it has become rarer and rarer. The US and Japan are the only major democracies where it's used at all and I think it's rather infrequent in Japan. We're in a league with China,Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Support in the US is less than 50% when pollsters ask about the option of life imprisonment with no chance of parole. Charles Manson and his followers got the death penalty but their sentences were commuted to life after the US Supreme Court overturned the laws of the time. They are still rotting behind California bars, except for Susan Atkins who died in prison. Charlie personally killed no one. He just gave the orders. After nearly 50 years behind bars Charlie and his followers come up for parole and each time are turned down.

As for me, if a loved one of mine were killed in that fashion I don't know if I'd turn inward in my grief and hit my head against the wall or lead the lynch mob to the prison. Fortunately I can be hypothetical.

Several states have repealed capital punishment in the last 10 years or so. When that does happen the white lights that shine on the Colosseum in Rome at night are switched to gold. That place had a lot of public executions, often by large felines. T.T.http://www.gallup.com/poll/165626/death ... years.aspx
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Re: horrible crime

Postby truly_trussed » Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:50 am

Here's an article from Will Bunch, a Philly newspaper columnist and blogger who can articulate this a heckuva lot better than I can.http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/atty ... ck-on.html

Re: horrible crime

Postby 31acujoker » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:20 am

I noticed that, interesting that the one thing they agree on is taking someone's life.

Now look, I'm not against capital punishment altogether, especially heinous crimes do deserve proportionate punishment. However I'm all for just doing the same thing as they do to dogs when they are put down, just give them an injection and they go to sleep, never to wake up again. The sentence is carried out but in a more humane manner.

What's shocking me is all you Yanks baying for blood, wanting people to die in horrific ways. I guarantee you don't want to die by the electric chair, its a fucking horrible way to die. If you wouldn't want it to happen to you don't wish it upon others.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:03 am

31acujoker wrote:I noticed that, interesting that the one thing they agree on is taking someone's life.

Now look, I'm not against capital punishment altogether, especially heinous crimes do deserve proportionate punishment. However I'm all for just doing the same thing as they do to dogs when they are put down, just give them an injection and they go to sleep, never to wake up again. The sentence is carried out but in a more humane manner.

What's shocking me is all you Yanks baying for blood, wanting people to die in horrific ways. I guarantee you don't want to die by the electric chair, its a fucking horrible way to die. If you wouldn't want it to happen to you don't wish it upon others.

Especially my little joke caused a misunderstanding here. I'm largely against capital punishment... unless the guilt is clearly and undeniably established and not (as it is in so many circumstances - especially those involving black men) based on circumstantial evidence... especially on the word of a mere handful at best of eyewitnesses. Eyewitness testimony is horribly unreliable; people lie or are easily deceived, and facial identification iffy at best. This is how many religions and cults get started; because someone says something other people just up and believe it because they want to. The same reason is why so many people convicted of crimes are being freed based on DNA evidence. Who knows how many people were unjustly imprisoned or worse executed based on circumstantial evidence? Way too damned many!
But in cases where guilt is undeniable like the Aurora Theater shooter James Holmes or that fellow involved in the Boston Marathon bombing, I do agree that the Death penalty is best. It should however be done in the most humane way possible. I'm not sure lethal injection is any better than electrocution based on what I hear though; sometimes I think a firing squad would be quicker and cheaper; even if messier.
Extenuating circumstances like self-defense should also be allowed for. Nor would i execute someone for killing someone who had badly wronged them (such as rape or kidnap or harming a close family family). I wouldn't let them go unpunished but I wouldn't execute them either.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby 31acujoker » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:16 pm

I agree with you 100% Jason :)
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Re: horrible crime

Postby drawscore » Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:13 pm

I'm a nasty, rotten, vengeful SOB. If you bludgeon a 13 year old child to death, and there is absolute certainty of your guilt, I will not shed any tears for you, if the authorities shove a brass rod up your ass, and apply 1500 volts with 10 amperes, and turn you in to a crispy critter real quick.

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Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Feb 06, 2016 2:39 pm

drawscore wrote:I'm a nasty, rotten, vengeful SOB. If you bludgeon a 13 year old child to death, and there is absolute certainty of your guilt, I will not shed any tears for you, if the authorities shove a brass rod up your ass, and apply 1500 volts with 10 amperes, and turn you in to a crispy critter real quick.

Drawscore

I'm not sure I'd entirely approve but of course i've never been a parent either. it's quite possible that if i was a parent and it was my child who'd been murdered, I'd probably try to kill the mofo myself and the hell with the legal consequences to me. With a good lawyer i might even get off.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby truly_trussed » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:31 pm

Still I feel it's the beginning of the end of capital punishment at least in the U.S. Canada's last execution was in 1963 and was outlawed for good in 1976.

As Archie Bunker would say "The Death Penalty is a detergent to crime."

Years ago a big city newspaper editorial said (paraphrasing) that death penalty is a symbolic sacrifice for tough talking politicians.

Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:27 pm

truly_trussed wrote:Still I feel it's the beginning of the end of capital punishment at least in the U.S. Canada's last execution was in 1963 and was outlawed for good in 1976.

As Archie Bunker would say "The Death Penalty is a detergent to crime."

Years ago a big city newspaper editorial said (paraphrasing) that death penalty is a symbolic sacrifice for tough talking politicians.

It does seem like a knee-jerk reaction that is sure to get the votes from more conservative voters, yes. But considering recent events, it's also understandable. At one time i might have agreed with you about the decline and abolition of capital punishment, but with developing technology and tightening standards on the burden of proof required to sentence someone to death, I think it is more likely that capital punishment will simply be applied more carefully - removing the biggest objections most people (including me), have to its practice - namely its often arbitrary and unfair application.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:47 am

This type of shit is exactly why I don't watch the news.

It's all "murder, murder, theft, rape, murder, pedophilia, theft, murder, rape, top 5 sports plays of the week!"

So much so that we expect it and simply shrug it off as just another Tuesday. Good things do happen on a daily basis, the type of things that would seriously restore your faith in the basic goodness of people. These instances are not considered newsworthy however, so we never hear about them.

I get it. News networks have an hour to fill with interesting content every night, the type of content that they can tease before a commercial break to keep you watching. And, let's face it, they can always fall back on a few murders in the local area. The more sick and twisted the crime, the better. It's a business model, and it seems to be working. I just can't stand it.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby truly_trussed » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:41 am

"If it bleeds, it leads" is the old axiom. SolidSnickerdoodle you are from the same state as CNN HQ.

Try this on your friends (in the US). See if they can name their 2 US senators and their representative in Congress. After that ask them to name all the Kardashian siblings. I have a feeling they'll do better on the latter rather than on the former.

Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:56 am

truly_trussed wrote:"If it bleeds, it leads" is the old axiom. SolidSnickerdoodle you are from the same state as CNN HQ.

Try this on your friends (in the US). See if they can name their 2 US senators and their representative in Congress. After that ask them to name all the Kardashian siblings. I have a feeling they'll do better on the latter rather than on the former.

In my case at least you'd be dead wrong. My senators are Angus King and Susan Collins, and my Rep is Chellie Pingree. As for the Kardashians, I don't know the name of a single one. Cardassians (from Star Trek), yes; Kardashians, nope. I only know very vaguely that they're rich or something and apparently have outrageous life styles; other than that I know zip about them and from what little I hear I don't want to learn more either. I watch very little TV however even though I finally got one and got basic cable after doing without for about ten years. I still get most of my news online from various sources (some unbiased; some not).
With the average American citizen though, you (unfortunately) probably do have a strong point. It's pathetic. Makes me wish I were British or Dutch or something.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby FelixSH » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:13 pm

SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:This type of shit is exactly why I don't watch the news.

It's all "murder, murder, theft, rape, murder, pedophilia, theft, murder, rape, top 5 sports plays of the week!"

So much so that we expect it and simply shrug it off as just another Tuesday. Good things do happen on a daily basis, the type of things that would seriously restore your faith in the basic goodness of people. These instances are not considered newsworthy however, so we never hear about them.

I get it. News networks have an hour to fill with interesting content every night, the type of content that they can tease before a commercial break to keep you watching. And, let's face it, they can always fall back on a few murders in the local area. The more sick and twisted the crime, the better. It's a business model, and it seems to be working. I just can't stand it.


I thought I was the only one. Years ago I realized that news add to my depression, because it always shows nothing but horrible stuff. And I agree, positive news would be great, just to balance the awful stuff out. Like with this crime here: Why is this stuff national news? If this happened to someone in my family, I wouldn't want the whole world to watch and to know about this personal tragedy. I mean, I get that we need to know that this sort of crimes happen, so we work to prevent them. But at the same time it feels sort of gross to me that stuff like this is used to get viewers. I don't need any details, the single sentence in the first post is all I need to know. I don't want to find out the details, like where exactly it happened, who the family of the victim is or why it happened. Especially not in an unprofessional way, where reporters make guesses, or bring their own opinion, or whatever. Professionals should find out the reason, so they can deal with this stuff better in the future. Then I want to read an article that tells me what can be done against this stuff. But I don't get how it is supposed to help anyone to learn all the details of this horrible stuff.

Ok, I am done. Sorry for the rant, things like this just make me really sad.

Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:32 pm

FelixSH wrote: Ok, I am done. Sorry for the rant, things like this just make me really sad.

I think we all feel that way. But maybe that's part of the point. If enough people get sad and mad about it, maybe things will get done to prevent crimes like this. And this crime was one that was perfectly preventable with a little common sense and some education about the risks of minors trying to meet with online contacts.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby truly_trussed » Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:03 pm

FYI Jase, even though it's a tad useless knowledge. The Kardashians are the offspring of the late Robert Kardashian, a prominent L.A. attorney and a member of O.J. Simpson's "Dream Team." His wife later married Bruce, now Caitlyn Jenner. They all became big reality TV stars. Fortunately you seldom watch TV. :bound:

Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:36 pm

That's more than I knew before. I never watch reality TV anyway.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:35 pm

Can anybody tell me what Kim Kardashian is famous for? Like, for the love of god, what did she do? All I know is that she's married to Kanye West, so the perpetual motion of fame just sorts of continues to carry her. But what did she do to first get famous? Is it just her and her siblings being the daughter of that Robert guy like truly_trussed was talking about? It seems to me like there would have to be something more.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:36 am

SolidSnickerdoodle wrote:Can anybody tell me what Kim Kardashian is famous for? Like, for the love of god, what did she do? All I know is that she's married to Kanye West, so the perpetual motion of fame just sorts of continues to carry her. But what did she do to first get famous? Is it just her and her siblings being the daughter of that Robert guy like truly_trussed was talking about? It seems to me like there would have to be something more.

Who can say? I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would find a fat, ugly, slow-witted kid like Honey Boo Boo to be worth watching on TV at all; let alone an entire TV series devoted to her and her equally swinish family.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:09 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:Who can say? I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would find a fat, ugly, slow-witted kid like Honey Boo Boo to be worth watching on TV at all; let alone an entire TV series devoted to her and her equally swinish family.

Oh, dear God.I went to my my grandma's house once and I had to sit through an episode of that garbage. I'm not sure who to be more angry at: the extremely hick family and their spoiled little brat, or the people who actually watch this shit.
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Re: horrible crime

Postby Thatworm » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:27 pm

I am now looking at this case, viewing it as active, I need this for training, thank you for posting this...

Death penalty is not necessary, there are always ways around a death penalty, killing a person isn't always the right choice in situations like this, all lives matter even if it's a murderer, he needs help is what he needs, he can end up changing and making a difference in everyones lives

Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:28 pm

Max S wrote:I am now looking at this case, viewing it as active, I need this for training, thank you for posting this...

Death penalty is not necessary, there are always ways around a death penalty, killing a person isn't always the right choice in situations like this, all lives matter even if it's a murderer, he needs help is what he needs, he can end up changing and making a difference in everyones lives

I wouldn't trust anyone who ever did such a thing with a dead gerbil; no matter how much rehab he or she had or for how long. :worried:
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Re: horrible crime

Postby drawscore » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:17 pm

Max S wrote:I am now looking at this case, viewing it as active, I need this for training, thank you for posting this...

Death penalty is not necessary, there are always ways around a death penalty, killing a person isn't always the right choice in situations like this, all lives matter even if it's a murderer, he needs help is what he needs, he can end up changing and making a difference in everyones lives


This is one of those rare cases where I would personally volunteer to spring the trap door on the gallows, throw the switch that turns on the electric chair, or push the button that releases the lethal chemical cocktail into the murderer's veins.

The death penalty may not be appropriate for ALL murders, but if you knowingly and deliberately kill a child, your ass ought to fry.

Drawscore

Re: horrible crime

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:09 pm

drawscore wrote: This is one of those rare cases where I would personally volunteer to spring the trap door on the gallows, throw the switch that turns on the electric chair, or push the button that releases the lethal chemical cocktail into the murderer's veins.

The death penalty may not be appropriate for ALL murders, but if you knowingly and deliberately kill a child, your ass ought to fry. Drawscore

And when Drawscore and I agree on something, the world trembles. :quirk:
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Re: horrible crime

Postby truly_trussed » Tue Feb 16, 2016 2:41 am

Somebody call the FAA and have them advise the air traffic controllers about flying swine!