Wedgieboy14 wrote:I don't have anything against it but it is extremely tactless to build a mosque on a place where a moslim group slammed a plane into a building.
Kyle wrote:How close is this really? I keep hearing "close" but are we talking across the street, 3 streets away, or what?
Kyle wrote:That is pretty close. On one hand I'd like to think we could let it go and it would be okay to let them build there, but why exactly do they want land so close to this site to build a mosque on anyway?
I have to admit I'm surprised, I didn't figure there was that much free land available in Manhattan.
swamidfs wrote:Hmmm .... no nativity set up at city hall ... no ten commandments in a court room ..... no prayer in school .... but a Mosque near ground zero as the hallmark of religious rights??????
Double standard?
Nuclearo wrote:Okay, bringing a pig into a temple is kind of more than that. It's one thing to draw and write commedy (which I've seen little retaliation from religios jews about) and it's something else when you go ahead and break a law of a religion in its temples. Just like you wouldn't wear a KKK outfit to a black rights rally or burn a cross inside a church, you should respect religions in their places of worship.
haloguy wrote:I think that we should be allowed to practice our religious beliefs, but having a mosque right where attacks happened by people saying that it is because their religion demands it is just like a punch in the face to most americans
markusthe1st wrote:Regardless of motive - Mcveigh was driven by right-wing ideology and his belief that the US govt. had overstepped their "rights' in the handling of the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents - and the 911 terrorists were motivated by the US govt. involvement with Israel and other issues around the world that BOTH parties made their act of terrorism an act AGAINST the US govt. It was not an attack on or for Christianity - it was an attack on the condemnation of perceived US govt. actions.
The results were destruction in both cases. Many innocent lives gone, for nothing. Except now, certain people in the media are trying to make something out of nothing. Either there is freedom of religion in the US or there is not. Without that freedom, we might as well be Saudi Arabia.
Kyle wrote:No, Jason, which is why I don't understand the general hatred of Muslims. But there is one difference in the two cases mentioned above: Islam WAS the driving force behind the Sept. 11 attacks. I do not agree with judging all Muslims for that, but it is undeniable. You can't say McVeigh was motivated by Christianity, in fact, all evidence points to the contrary. Both were terrorist attacks that killed a lot of innocent people. Beyond that there isn't a lot they have in common.
markusthe1st wrote: Without that freedom, we might as well be Saudi Arabia.
markusthe1st wrote:Reread my post - my argument stands - I didn't accuse McVeigh of anything religious, just made mention that extreme views are responsible here - so why punish a religion?
Jason Toddman wrote:Kyle wrote:No, Jason, which is why I don't understand the general hatred of Muslims. But there is one difference in the two cases mentioned above: Islam WAS the driving force behind the Sept. 11 attacks. I do not agree with judging all Muslims for that, but it is undeniable. You can't say McVeigh was motivated by Christianity, in fact, all evidence points to the contrary. Both were terrorist attacks that killed a lot of innocent people. Beyond that there isn't a lot they have in common.
I didn't say McVeigh WAS motivated by religion; I was making a Whgat If scenario.
My point is that no one should be held accountable for another person's actions. I don't care vthat the 9-11 terrorists did it for Islam; the only people who should be punbished for that were the terrorists themeslves (who died immmediately anyway) and the bastards who helped them, encouraged them, and sent them here. Instead, we're ALL being punished for it with the Irag and Afghanistan wars, the crap-out of the ecomnomy that resulted, Homeland Security, invasive searches at airports, loss of various oter freedoms, suspicion and hatred between Muslims and non-Muslims, this whole mosqur at Ground Zero bullshit, and a whole lot more.
If I had a time machine, I'd migrate back to the simpler, happier life styles of the 1950's (at least if you were white) when all you had to worry about was a World War III that never took place and no one ever heard of Aids, crack, global warming, or energy shortages. The 21st century sounded like it'd be a wondrous time when I was a kid. Now I sometimes wished I'd died before it ever arrived!