Gay Marriage

Postby Jay Feely » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:59 am

What do you think about Gay Marriage?
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Chris12 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:59 am

Nothing and the rest of the world should as well. Live and let live i'd say.

Re: Gay Marriage

Postby truly_trussed » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:38 am

Eventually the divorce lawyers will benefit. Now the LGBT Community can be in connubial bliss or be just as miserable as straight people.

Don't forget on this site when we talk about tying the knot we mean it literally. :tied:

Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Games_Bond » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:17 pm

I think nothing, other than the fact it is quite depressing this is an issue. I mean, just rubber-stamp it and move on. Some people don't like it? Tough. I think Whoopi Goldberg put it best: "If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person". Simple.

Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:51 pm

Jay Feely wrote:What do you think about Gay Marriage?

Affects me the same way as straight marriage... not at all. Just another option for those who wish it. As it should be.
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Antonius97 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:27 pm

As the only reason most people can come up with against it is based in religion, and it is usually discussed as marriage in the eyes of the law, not the church, assuming you live in a country that is supposed to have a secular government (I'm looking at you, America), there should be no reason for it not to be commonplace.
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Kyle » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:46 pm

I can't understand why it's such a big deal, for either side, really.

Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Antonius97 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:58 pm

Those fighting for it care because it is blatant discrimination against someone based solely on their sexuality. Those fighting against it care because their imaginary friend in the sky told them gays are bad.
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:01 pm

Antonius wrote:Those fighting for it care because it is blatant discrimination against someone based solely on their sexuality. Those fighting against it care because their imaginary friend in the sky told them gays are bad.

No, actually narrow-minded people claiming to be speaking for their imaginary friend told them that. The imaginary friend is innocent. :D
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Antonius97 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:45 am

Could it actually be considered innocent or guilty? It IS imaginary, after all...
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Kyle » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:04 am

Marriage has always been defined as being between men and women. The numbers involved have varied but a constant has always been that it's between men and women.

I don't care if two men or two women want to hook up and pretend they're married. As far as I'm concerned, that's between them and God. It's none of my business--and that's the problem, they want to make it my business, and want it to be everyone's business, and want everyone to see them and congratulate them and want to push it down everyone's throats. I'd have a lot more respect for them if they just went about it without making a big deal about it. If they really wanted to be treated like everyone else, that's how they'd do it. But they want attention. I'm beginning to believe that's the whole point.

On the flip side of things, we have the anti-gay marriage crowd, the level of rantings and ravings I also don't entirely understand. I don't understand the idea that if gays are allowed to marry it represents some attack on marriage. The divorce rate is, depending on who you ask, somewhere around 45% in the United States. Why isn't this being focused on more? And I don't understand how this is some beginning of society's slide into total moral depravity.

Basically, my views are this: I don't believe in gay "marriage" from a moral standpoint, but I also don't understand how the government calling it that somehow is an assault on traditional marriage. Personally I think we have a lot bigger problems to worry about.

Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Antonius97 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:34 am

Kyle wrote:I don't care if two men or two women want to hook up and pretend they're married. As far as I'm concerned, that's between them and God. It's none of my business--and that's the problem, they want to make it my business, and want it to be everyone's business, and want everyone to see them and congratulate them and want to push it down everyone's throats. I'd have a lot more respect for them if they just went about it without making a big deal about it. If they really wanted to be treated like everyone else, that's how they'd do it. But they want attention. I'm beginning to believe that's the whole point.

While I can't speak for homosexuals, I'm pretty sure that they just want to be treated as equals compared to heterosexuals. They aren't begging for attention, they're demanding equality. What you just said would be like me going back to 1960 and saying "Blacks aren't asking for equality, they're just demanding attention!" Do you not see how fucked up that is?

Point is, the only reason that the issue attracts so much attention is because there are people in the world that think that others should be treated as second-class citizens based on the gender of the person they want to spend the rest of their life with. If gay marriage were to be legalized, the media would probably calm down about it, and in a few years, it'd be no more in-your-face than the marriages straight people have been having for millennia!
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:50 am

Antonius wrote:Could it actually be considered innocent or guilty? It IS imaginary, after all...

I was making a joke! DUH!!! :roll:
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby FelixSH » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:55 am

Kyle wrote:I don't care if two men or two women want to hook up and pretend they're married. As far as I'm concerned, that's between them and God. It's none of my business--and that's the problem, they want to make it my business, and want it to be everyone's business, and want everyone to see them and congratulate them and want to push it down everyone's throats. I'd have a lot more respect for them if they just went about it without making a big deal about it. If they really wanted to be treated like everyone else, that's how they'd do it. But they want attention. I'm beginning to believe that's the whole point.


That´s not how this works. If someone is denied a specific right for no reason other than his sexuality (or skin color, gender,...) and they don´t say anything about it, the situation will not change. As soon as we are given the same rights as heterosexuals the attention seeking will stop, but until then it is necessary.
And the name doesn´t matter. Don´t call it marriage if that is the problem. As long as we have the same rights as everyone else I don´t care about the name.

Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:03 am

Kyle wrote:Marriage has always been defined as being between men and women. The numbers involved have varied but a constant has always been that it's between men and women.

Antonius (and, while I was busy with this, Felixsh) have already answered your main point better than I could have; namely, that gays want legal status for their marriages so that for instance one spouse can inherit the other's estate upon decease, care for any children from previous (straight, obviously) marriages, and so forth.
But I want to point out that your basic definition of marriage is a tad flawed. Marriage has NOT always been defined as being between men and women.
Instead, marriage has always been defined as being between male and female.
What the difference? Just this: the concept of legal age has never been incorporated in marriage, as your own definition of men and women diectly implies. In earlier times, kids as young as 12 could be married (and not always to someone else the same age either!), provided they were sexually mature enough to procreate. For an example, I might point out that Romeo was only 15 and Juliet was only 13 in that famous play (which I might add was based on two actual persons). For another, the virgin Mary was likely in her early to mid teens; had she been as old as most people today think of her as being (or anywhere over 21 for that matter), she would've been considered as the Old Maid Mary!!!
What we consider hetero-pedophilia today was a legally sanctioned aspect of marriage in most countries until recent times; and still is today in a few places. So falling back on old definitions of marriage really gets you nowhere unless you want to fall back on a mere form of morality that - unless there IS a God who cares about such things - is pretty well meaningless in modern society.
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Antonius97 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:42 pm

Relevant story is relevant:
A bill legalizing gay marriage was passed in Britain today. It will go into effect next summer.
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby drawscore » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:00 pm

I do not think about gay marriage. There are other things going on that are more important. I think about them.

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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Jason Toddman » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:56 am

drawscore wrote:I do not think about gay marriage. There are other things going on that are more important. I think about them.

Drawscore

Which is probably about the only thing about those more important things we're both likely to agree on. :D
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby El_Llama » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:07 am

In 40 years time we will all look at anti-gay protests and the protests against gay marriages in the same way that we look at the protests against interracial marriage. It infuriates me when people say "Stop bringing it into my life" when they've gone onto a forum/ youtube video/ TV program to moan about it. If you don't want to be dragged into a debate about homosexuality, don't drag YOURSELF into it.
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby Jason Toddman » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:43 am

I've never understood why people feel that how other people they don't even know live together affects them in any way. I don't give a damn whether someone across town lives with someone of the same gender or a different race any more than i care if they live with someone of the same race and different gender. I don't care two hoots what their religion is, or if they even have one. As long as they don't tell me how to live my life, I'm fine with them living theirs any way they want.
I mind my own business; they mind theirs. Why can't everyone else do the same?
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Re: Gay Marriage

Postby ProfessorRemnant » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:59 am

I'll tell it the way I tell a lot of people.
I look out there, and I see a whole lot of people, angry people, upset people, trying to tell other people how and who to love and be happy with. To me, that's kinda ass backwards.
As a hetero, and an Episcopal, I look at people and go "I guess we kinda forget that 'love thy neighbor' part".
If it's not hate, fire and brimstone, and damnation, people just don't care. They want the fun part.