Racial IQ difference

Postby drawscore » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:18 am

No matter what our race or social standing, I believe those of us born with without a mental defect, all have the same potential at birth. The two things that account mostly for who and what we are, are our upbringing, and our environment. (I grew up as the son of an Army officer, and around other kids who were also children of military people. We said the Pledge of Allegiance and the Lord's Prayer every morning at school. It was a conservative environment and upbringing, and, hence, when I got older, I adopted conservative beliefs and standards. I flirted with liberalism for a time in my 20's, but when I saw how liberals treated and talked about the military, I took it as an attack on me (as I was in service at the time), and as an attack on my family. It was not well received.)

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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby FelixSH » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:20 am

There are still people who believe this nonsense? Even if there is an intellectual difference between races, it is so small that it doesn´t matter anyway. As drawscore said, upbringing and environment are way more important.

Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby xtc » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:22 am

I though Eysenck was discredited decades ago.
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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby sarobah » Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:48 pm

First rule of Insight Club:
Ignore any Youtube video that you are told will change how you think. (Search for "kittens" or "news bloopers" instead.)

Second rule of Insight Club:
Ignore anyone who tells you that in a democracy people are reluctant or afraid to speak out on what they really believe. (The actual problem is that they never shut up!)

Third rule of Insight Club:
Ignore anyone who uses the phrase "political correctness", or the shorthand for lazy people, "PC". (It is SO eighties!)

Fourth rule of Insight Club:
Ignore any rich white male whining about being silenced or persecuted. (We've heard it all before and it's getting old.)
Words, like Nature, half reveal and half conceal the soul within.

Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby xtc » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:07 pm

Or there again, we could have a section of the site dedicated to "Right-wing Bollocks", then the dedicated rightists could just post on it and agree with one another. The rest of us (I believe the approved term is "Pinko Liberals") could then ignore it.

Oh, by the way, isn't it interesting to note that to Americans "liberals" is an abusive term for lefties but in the UK the Liberals are supporting an out of touch right wing government?
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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby sarobah » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:17 pm

xtc wrote:Oh, by the way, isn't it interesting to note that to Americans "liberals" is an abusive term for lefties but in the UK the Liberals are supporting an out of touch right wing government?

In Australia the Liberal Party is THE right-wing party (and the most successful political party in the country).
Take your average Republican (USA) or Conservative (UK), give him a red neck, a foaming mouth, a raging paranoia, an abiding contempt for people not born rich and a violent hatred of anyone with a suntan, and you have the moderate wing of the Australian Liberal Party.
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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby xtc » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:19 pm

Yes, I've always found that quite amusing.
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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby sarobah » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:27 pm

As for the LibDems being in bed with the Tories...
Here we have a saying, "The smell of ministerial leather is a powerful aphrodisiac."
Words, like Nature, half reveal and half conceal the soul within.

Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby xtc » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:41 pm

Absolutely. I do, however, anticipate the imminent demise of the LIbDems at the next election. There must surely be a majority of their converts who are disgusted by their support for Call-me-Dave and the rest of his coterie. It comes to something when the Mekon (WIlliam Hague), compared to the others, sounds like he is talking sense!

Never mind: this evening the PM completely lost control of the House. At least he daren't exercise the Royal Prerogative. Thank God Maggie's not around!
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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby Fesselfan » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:57 am

It's really amusing how currently most conspiracy theories keep showing up again here...and repeated over and over again, usually not being worth to be even discussed at (the art form of true discussion is sadly lost to many people today).
In a way, I fear we may have reached the end.
By the way, the end is here: http://www.endoftheinternet.com/

Cheers

FF
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Those who understand binary numeral system, and those who don't.

Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby ProfessorRemnant » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:10 am

Fesselfan wrote:It's really amusing how currently most conspiracy theories keep showing up again here...and repeated over and over again, usually not being worth to be even discussed at (the art form of true discussion is sadly lost to many people today).
In a way, I fear we may have reached the end.
By the way, the end is here: http://www.endoftheinternet.com/

Cheers

FF


The modern "Discussion", and I use the term loosely, especially online, is normally nothing more than people talking in circles until one or both parties involved run out of gas, or someone's mother gets insulted.

Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby FelixSH » Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:02 pm

Ok, I´m curious. Where do you get this information from? Where are the statistics that show that more white than black people are poor? And please tell me about this science that proofs that race has any significance. What are your sources?
I mean aside from youtube, of course. Some articles or maybe scientific papers would be interesting.

Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby FelixSH » Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:55 pm

Let me get this strait: There are, in absolute numbers, more white than black people in the US. Therefore, the absolute number of poor white people is higher then the absolute number of poor black people. And therefore, white people have it, in generell, worse than black people. Aside from that, all your facts come either from Youtube or this website. Ok.

Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby sarobah » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:44 pm

george1909 wrote:...

I am not going to dignify all of your “arguments” with a reply.
To use a favourite movie line:
“What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

Just this point…
george1909 wrote:Yes i and science still believes these facts and they are facts for the simple reason that even though Africa was the cradle of mankind nothing of value in terms of scientific input has come from there the African was still using spears against the British as recently as 1879 during the Anglo Zulu wars. All the major technological and medical discoveries have been from Europe or eastern Asia.

Besides the egregious logical fallacy that technology equals intelligence *, the example you use is a classic.
In 1879, a large, modern, mobile, well-equipped British army was outmanoeuvred by spear-wielding natives and an entire column destroyed at Isandlwana. The ignorant savages did not need modern weapons; instead they relied on strategic and tactical skill.

* Isn’t it ironic that the people who lack the most basic critical facilities and reasoning ability are the first to label other races stupid? People who are not very smart or well educated have nothing to fall back on except bigotry –- it’s all they have.
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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby xtc » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:55 pm

. . . . Or why white Americans were still using ropes and flames against black Americans well into the twentieth century?
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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby sarobah » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:31 pm

george1909 wrote:No im sorry but the reasons for the defeat at Islandlwana was not due to tactics but due to sheer numbers...

No need to apologize.
But please learn your history.
Lord Chelmsford split his column without intelligence as to the enemy’s dispositions or intentions. The defences at the British camp at Isandlwana were a disgrace. A combination of arrogance and stupidity doomed the entire contingent to destruction because the British commander Pulleine was arrogant, complacent and lazy. He had no effective reconnaissance, his lines were too thinly dispersed and his ordnance arrangements were a disastrous mess.
The manoeuvre employed by the Zulus was their “horns of the buffalo”, i.e. engage the enemy’s front while enveloping his flanks. They outnumbered their enemy because that was their strategic plan. Should they really have held back their advantage (against an unprovoked invasion) for the sake of “a fair fight”? *

One of the sad ironies of the Zulu War is that once they had won a great victory, the Zulu warriors went home to harvest their crops. They were citizen soldiers and could not understand how an enemy could be so primitive and brutal as to employ professional soldiers. It took the civilized west to teach the ignorant savages about industrialized weapons technology, total war and systematic genocide. They have learnt their lesson, and people like you (George) must feel so proud.

* On a side note, it’s funny how racists don’t (for example) claim Napoleon was an ignorant savage because he maneuvered his enemies into dividing their forces and defeating them in detail. Or how generals like Grant and Eisenhower relied on overwhelming force to defeat their enemies. (Then again, George, you probably believe that Grant and Eisenhower were fighting on the wrong side.)
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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby Kyle » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:57 pm

The troll has been fed again.

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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby ProfessorRemnant » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:03 pm

george1909 wrote:
ProfessorRemnant wrote:
Fesselfan wrote:It's really amusing how currently most conspiracy theories keep showing up again here...and repeated over and over again, usually not being worth to be even discussed at (the art form of true discussion is sadly lost to many people today).
In a way, I fear we may have reached the end.
By the way, the end is here: http://www.endoftheinternet.com/

Cheers

FF


The modern "Discussion", and I use the term loosely, especially online, is normally nothing more than people talking in circles until one or both parties involved run out of gas, or someone's mother gets insulted.

Please how do you account for the massively higher rates of murder and rapes committed by blacks than whites in america? surely it cant be poverty due to the fact that there are more poor whites than blacks and with affirmative action laws all employers must employ all races across the board ..what do you think causes this aggression and criminality? i believe it is a result of Africans having higher testosterone in particular west Africans ''where most African Americans'' have their origins



...Da hell does that have to do with my aside to Fesselfan?
For a second I though you were saying that discussion itself was the cause of racial crimes or what not...

So what exactly do you want them to do, ethnically cleanse the...obviously inferior races? That seems to be where you're going with this...

Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby xtc » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:40 pm

Boxer shorts are cool,
but little speedos rule!

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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby misterg792000 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:01 pm

IQ tests measure how well a person takes an IQ test. Nothing more, nothing less. Intelligence isn't quantifiable in that way, so you'll have to find a different pseudoscientific way to justify your beliefs about non-whites.

Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby Mister Mistoffelees » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:01 pm

Jesus. H. Christ. On a crutch.

I suffered through the utter bullshizzle of Charles Murray and his The Bell Curve garbage thirty years ago, and here goes george dumpster-diving for that same garbage to serve it up to us again. I'm seriously supposed to believe that blacks are less intelligent than whites because of a minor variation in Weschler scores easily accounted for by cultural differences reflected in the tests? Seriously? And I notice that georgie left out a minor detail about those BS studies--that Asians score higher than whites. Did you just forget that part, georgie, or did you decide to ignore it because it didn't fit with your white-folks-created-everything-good crapola?

Why don't you get get down to your real point, georgie, that them-thur blah people are really subhuman Mud People? If you're going to go all Christian Identity on us, you might as well go all the way. For the love of Mary...
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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby drawscore » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:40 pm

>>>IQ tests measure how well a person takes an IQ test. Nothing more, nothing less. Intelligence isn't quantifiable in that way, so you'll have to find a different pseudoscientific way to justify your beliefs about non-whites.<<<

You would be amazed at the number of people in this world (of all races) who are incredibly "book smart," and yet, have the common sense of an anvil.

Drawscore

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Re: Racial IQ difference

Postby markusthe1st » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:26 am

Haters gonna hate. It's really that simple. Since he is so perfect, perhaps he can indulge us with his personal contributions to science? Perhaps the countries he has managed successfully? Maybe even all the Caucasians he has personally saved?
Walk the mile first... then have the fun!

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Postby GoneGoneGone » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:14 pm

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