## Sheriff In Florida

Post by drawscore » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:14 pm

An illegal alien, in Polk County, (Lakeland, between Orlando and Tampa on I-4) Florida, who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop, ended up "executing" the deputy who stopped him. The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed. A state-wide manhunt ensued.
The murderer was found hiding in a wooded area. As soon as he took a shot at the SWAT team, officers opened fire on him. They hit the guy 68 times.
Naturally, the liberal media went nuts and asked why they had to shoot the poor, illegal alien 68 times.
Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel: "Because that's all the ammunition we had." Now, is that just about the all-time greatest answer or what!
The Coroner also reported that the illegal alien died of natural causes. When asked by a reporter how that could be, since there were 68 bullet wounds in his body, he simply replied: (BEST QUOTE of 2009) . . . "When you are shot 68 times you are naturally gonna die."
Drawscore

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by mikeybound » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:53 pm

This took a different turn than I expected. This is how I'd want anyone to be treated, citizen, immigrant or illegal.
However, I do have to agree that the amount of ammunition used was just excessive. It could've been resolved with a single sniper shot. SWAT has snipers. And their response undermines their more than justifiable circumstances a tad. The don't say that he was a murderer and give an honest cause of death. They're sarcastic about killing him.

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by tony2 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:33 pm

Frankly Drawscore, I loved it. It is typical of Deep Southern humor as well, and unless you lived there your civil rights neurons might get rattled at "injustice."
POV, when i was a cop we didn't use automatics so we had 6 shots. We were taught, rightly so, that if you have to use it you do so to kill only, therefore empty the gun.
Al Capone in chicago used the same philosophy, except his men used tommyguns (grin). (Southern Humor here for yankee types out there).
BTW I have been an attorney supporting the ACLU for many years.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by mikeybound » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:06 pm

> tony2 wrote:POV, when i was a cop we didn't use automatics so we had 6 shots. We were taught, rightly so, that if you have to use it you do so to kill only, therefore empty the gun.
> Al Capone in chicago used the same philosophy, except his men used tommyguns (grin). (Southern Humor here for yankee types out there).

What if you need more shots later?

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by xtc » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:54 pm

Please understand that some of us in civilised countries find the right-wing American delight in their blood-lust to be nauseating.
PS. I am NOT a liberal, I am a proud socialist.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by Kyle » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:38 pm

I don't feel bad for the murderer at all (he had a gun in his hand which he was holding up at the time of his death), but I'm not really comfortable with the police making things up here, especially when any fool could see this killing was justified. How much harder is it to start making things up to cover up some kind of police corruption?
Snopes article on the subject: http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/judd.asp

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by tony2 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:31 pm

Americans began learning that under King George.
Slavery and 300 years of warped humor in our South was also a product of empire, textile needs for cotton under George et. al.
As for emptying the gun once the decision that deadly force is the only option remaining, is only insurance from firing a shot and receiving fatal return fire.
Mikey... most gunfights in those days were within 25 feet. Chances were good that six rounds in his general direction would do the job. We also had speedloader clips that allowed us to reload in around two seconds.
I agree that the humor was crude and uncalled for in an official statement. However it was not unexpected in that social milieu.
Rather than shoot by me and 4officers under my command in a hostage standoff situation, I walked forward and talked this guy, who was holding a loaded shotgun to his ex girlfriend's head,into handing it over to me after I reached them. I put my life on the line to save his. This was in late summer 1981. Most officers will go to great lengths to avoid having to use deadly force. Believe me. I know.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by xtc » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:15 am

> tony2 wrote:Americans began learning that under King George.

. . . and don't seem to have learned anything since!
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by truly_trussed » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:08 am

Hello, xtc, Aren't most of the U.K. Constabulary unarmed, including London's Bobbies?
I think I should contact the immigration office. Hey, could you help me find an apartment in your neighborhood, er, I mean a flat in your neighbourhood? T.T.

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by xtc » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:56 am

Yes, generally the police are not armed unless they are posted to, say, Downing Street. Firearms officers are, of course, on standby. However, discharging weapon might result in temporary suspension until the incident is investigated.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by mikeybound » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:18 am

> xtc wrote:

> > tony2 wrote:Americans began learning that under King George.

> . . . and don't seem to have learned anything since!

Did you hear anything Tony2 said? We do have restraint, on occasion.

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by tony2 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:45 am

> xtc wrote:

> > tony2 wrote:Americans began learning that under King George.

> . . . and don't seem to have learned anything since!

Does fighting Germans etc. and twice bailing out England with men and war material count as not learning anything ?
Interesting to note the prohibition against cops with guns came about from the use of the army in internal police actions over 100 years ago. Except under martial law, the military is prohibited from operating within the borders of the US. Maybe we did learn something on our own?
Except for ireland of course. See below:
The United Kingdom is made up of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales (which make up Great Britain) and Northern Ireland. In Northern Ireland, all police officers carry firearms. In the rest of the United Kingdom, police officers do not carry firearms, except in special circumstances. This originates from the formation of the Metropolitan Police Service in the 19th century, when police were not armed, partly to counter public fears and objections over armed enforcers as this had been previously seen due to the British Army maintaining order when needed. The arming of police in Great Britain is a perennial topic of debate.
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use ... ed_Kingdom
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by xtc » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:23 am

What about the National Guard? I seem to remember an incident at Kent State.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by tony2 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:16 am

you are right. (that shows how old we are though). National guard is the spin off of the 2nd amendment - right to bear arms for a citizen militia. It is not the army or armed forces. it is under direct control of the State Governors. The military is still prohibited from domestic armed activity. It can be called up as a reserve unit to the military in foreign operations, but not domestic.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by xtc » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:11 am

However, my original point has been missed: it is barbaric to revel in the event and the public official seemed to treat his duties with contempt.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by tony2 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:28 am

read what I said earlier -- I agree with you.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by Chris12 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:44 am

I don't really mind the killing since its hard to argue the ''alien'' didn't deserve it but as XTC says...yeah its in pretty poor taste to gloat about it.

> Does fighting Germans etc. and twice bailing out England with men and war material count as not learning anything ?

Once, not twice.
America in WWI does not count as ''bailing out''. Their (Late!) entrance into the war hasted Germany's defeat but it would have happened without them. The allies did not need to be ''bailed out''.

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by skybird137 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:07 am

> Does fighting Germans etc. and twice bailing out England with men and war material count as not learning anything ?

In the First World War, the USA joined after the Zimmermann Telegram incident.
In the Second World War, it was after Pearl Harbour.
Neither time was to bail us out.

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by tony2 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:34 pm

As i recall, that was not the way Winston Churchill said it. The 50 plus destroyers, planes and cannon, all sent over before Us involvement, on the Lend Lease program where all that was "loaned" to England on condition that they return it after the war. Gee, they used it all too. My family has two parcels of French real estate. Both 6 ft long. If they had only known Europe didn't need us, gee!
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by Chris12 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:02 pm

> tony2 wrote:As i recall, that was not the way Winston Churchill said it. The 50 plus destroyers, planes and cannon, all sent over before Us involvement, on the Lend Lease program where all that was "loaned" to England on condition that they return it after the war. Gee, they used it all too. My family has two parcels of French real estate. Both 6 ft long. If they had only known Europe didn't need us, gee!

It the first war, they didn't. American aid was welcome and beneficial but not decisive.
In the second world war America did play a decisive role in the way European countries and perhaps even Britain couldn't. But the Russians did so as well and to a much greater extend but I don't hear them going ''Without us you'd be speaking German'' nearly as often.

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by skybird137 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:50 pm

It was in the USA government's self-interest to provide material for the UK during the Second World War, as they had no illusions concerning what would happen should the UK fall. I doubt that they would have called it 'bailing-out' as they understood how important the survival of the UK was to them.

> My family has two parcels of French real estate. Both 6 ft long. If they had only known Europe didn't need us, gee!

Without the help of the USA, it would have either been impossible to liberate Western Europe from the Nazi's or it would have been conquered by the Soviet Union. That is not in dispute, and I don't forget about the many people from various nations who gave their lives so that the Nazi's could be defeated.

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by tony2 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:32 pm

Chris,
Please take a closer look at Russia at the time of Hitler's invasion. For the next 3 years US merchant marine ships were bringing war materials past Donetz' U-Boat fleet to Russia as well. Russia's military and the country's manufacturing was in a shambles and those supplies were desperately needed to halt the Germans at Stalingrad and some 60 miles or so from Moscow.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by Jason Toddman » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:19 pm

Uhhh... going back home from the war now and back to that sheriff. I agree the actions were completely justified (unlike so many other cop-caused fatalities recently), but the quotes that delighted Drawscore so much were in my opinion tasteless and unprofessional, and only further gives law enforcement a bad name and reinforces stereotypes of southern law enforcement officers as being brainless, bigoted shitheads.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by misterg792000 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:51 am

hahaha take that you filthy brown, I'm untroubled because I'm certain I'll never be on the wrong side of excessive use of force by the police. Now to just repeat what I heard on AM radio about what that LIEBeral media said, I'm sure they won't spin it dishonestly or outright lie to me.
Sheriff Grady is a sociopath. Like most showboating extreme-right Sheriffs, he's obsessed with other people's sex lives and more interested on getting TV than doing his actual job in a lawful manner. All you have to do is throw out a few "outrageous" quotes about how subhuman you feel the people you're supposed to be protecting are, mixed with brainless nationalism about how your fans are "the REAL Americans", and other blood-crazed sociopaths will eat it right up.

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by misterg792000 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:59 pm

Incidentally, way to copy and paste stuff off freep and/or some blog verbatim. fwd>fwd> thanks grandma

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by Jason Toddman » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:27 pm

Which brings up a question I was meaning to ask.
Drawscore, what was the point you were trying to make in dredging up this five-year-old case at this time? That cops have it tough?
Being a cop IS a dangerous job. But that's no excuse for the brutality many police forces seem to be showing these days. Thanks to the pro-gun lobby, imo there's been a horrible escalation of the shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later mentality among cops and civilians alike.
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### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by drawscore » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:49 pm

Being a southerner, I appreciate southern humor. I also appreciate public officials that do not kowtow to political correctness - an ideology proposed by left wing ideologues, and perpetuated by the lap dog media, that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
In short, I thought it was amusing.
Drawscore

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by mikeybound » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:06 pm

> drawscore wrote:Being a southerner, I appreciate southern humor. I also appreciate public officials that do not kowtow to political correctness - an ideology proposed by left wing ideologues, and perpetuated by the lap dog media, that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
> In short, I thought it was amusing.
> Drawscore

There's political correctness, and then there's just plain tact. Killing anyone shouldn't be a humorous experience. At the very least, you'd expect a medical examiner to act more professionally. This is a case of a use of lethal force that's actually justified being undermined by them acting like jackasses.
Also, what you you mean by "pick up a turd by the clean end"? If you're saying that avoiding crude jokes is meant to make this feel more civilized and proper than it is, it looks to me like it's the officers who don't seem to see any seriousness in one of their own murdered and being forced to shoot a criminal dead.

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by misterg792000 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:48 pm

> drawscore wrote:Being a southerner, I appreciate southern humor. I also appreciate public officials that do not kowtow to political correctness - an ideology proposed by left wing ideologues, and perpetuated by the lap dog media, that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

It's not "an ideology", it's an idiotic attempt at insult coined by the far-right in an attempt to defend or legitimize their right to be racist, misogynistic, and all around degenerate that was popularized by ideologue, convicted criminal, and all-around numbskull Dinesh D'Souza and drug addict, sex tourist, and likely pedophile Rush Limbaugh...but please, offer up more scathing insights copied and pasted from <insert blog, freep, or AM radio personality here>. Just bear in mind that when you assert your right to be all of the above, it isn't "oppression" or "political correctness" when others call you an asshole and show you the door.

> drawscore wrote:In short, I thought it was amusing.

What you see as "amusing", rational people see as "evidence of a bloodthirsty psychopath".

### Re: Sheriff In Florida

Post by misterg792000 » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:52 pm

> mikeybound wrote:At the very least, you'd expect a medical examiner to act more professionally.

To be fair to him, he did. His "comment" was an embellishment added during the copy/past/fwd>fwd stage.