mikeybound wrote:And I suppose we're cherry picking now? It wasn't blacks who beat Matthew Shepard to death, or shot up Columbine. It's not just ethnic groups who are thugs and murderers, or who trade drugs. Exactly how many cases like the Wild Wings Cafe incident happen compared to actual threats? Anyone is capable of this stuff. Making it about race masks the real problems.
Now drawscore? Please try to avoid the misunderstanding that African Americans are a risk group. Talk like that only aggravates the "race war" brewing, and is better left unsaid.
drawscore wrote:mikeybound wrote:And I suppose we're cherry picking now? It wasn't blacks who beat Matthew Shepard to death, or shot up Columbine. It's not just ethnic groups who are thugs and murderers, or who trade drugs. Exactly how many cases like the Wild Wings Cafe incident happen compared to actual threats? Anyone is capable of this stuff. Making it about race masks the real problems.
Now drawscore? Please try to avoid the misunderstanding that African Americans are a risk group. Talk like that only aggravates the "race war" brewing, and is better left unsaid.
The Matthew Shepard case was a tragedy, but right around the same time, there was another death, that of 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising. Never heard of him? I thought not.
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george1909 wrote:why did we bring this misery on our own countries for? our kids and grandchildren will be cursing us for producing such a society
george1909 wrote:Man your positively hostile my great great grandparents left the new world in 1757 for im Irish part mohawk Indian
drawscore wrote:I'm saying that crimes of a similar nature, such as a black on white crime, (Chris Lane) should be treated the same, and reported in the same way, as the media circus we had when the crime was perceived to be white on black (Trayvon Martin).
george1909 wrote:Man your positively hostile my great great grandparents left the new world in 1757 for im Irish part mohawk Indian
Im sorry but i dont mean to be racist
drawscore wrote:You mean like portraying Trayvon Martin as this innocent teenager, while making Zimmerman out to be a racist thug?
drawscore wrote:You're buying in to the media bullshit.
drawscore wrote:What wasn't reported, was that Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle, and was blindsided by Martin, who then banged Zimmerman's head into the pavement several times, attempting to kill, or at least, severely injure him.
drawscore wrote:The police initially determined that Zimmerman acted in self defense, and despite all the screeching and race baiting by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, the jury trying the case reached the same conclusion.
drawscore wrote:Also not reported, or under reported, was Martin's reason for being in Sanford, FL, about 200 miles from his home in south Florida: He had been suspended from school, and sent by his mother to spend that suspension at his father's home. He was far from the "innocent teenager" you, and the media, make him out to be. In actuality, he was a thug wannabe, judging from what he put up on his Facebook page.
mikeybound wrote:In theory, the Zimmerman case could've been a perfect murder. Just think about if you had a beef with someone in Florida. Set up a confrontation, and the law itself protects you for killing them.
drawscore wrote:What has been presented, that contradicts Zimmerman's account? NOTHING!! At least one witness said that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, raining blows on him. If you and anyone else, wants to believe that Martin was the "innocent teenager" that the media and his parents and lawyers portrayed his as, fine. Believe what you want. I don't care. The truth of the matter, is that he was a thug, who blindsided Zimmerman, and pounded his head into the pavement. Zimmerman defended himself. Court/jury found him "Not Guilty." End of story.
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mikeybound wrote:Who wants to play "How Zimmerman could've handled that without lethal force".
1. Tazer
2. Mace
3. Basic self defense training
4. Patrol with a partner or group
There are probably more ways I'm not thinking of right now, but I trust my point is made. These are practical measures anyone in a neighborhood watch for a bad neighborhood should have, but he went out alone with a gun. Exactly what was Zimmerman expecting to do if there was a problem?
As for Martin, he was not an innocent. He committed aggravated assult. Of course, if he actually survived to court, he'd probably receive 5 years and a $5,000 fine at most, and not lethal injection.