A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:17 am

Is it just my imagination, or is Jeb Bush actually starting to sound electable? He seems more moderate than his older brother, who nonetheless won two terms as POTUS. What do you others think?
http://news.yahoo.com/hampshire-clash-r ... ction.html
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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby NemesisPrime » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:47 pm

I'm not buying it. Jeb is just as idiotic as his brother only thing that separates Jeb from W is he's good at hiding it.
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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby NemesisPrime » Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:31 am

Pointe Made wrote:No Bush, No Clinton .... NO, NO, NO!

I choose option 3!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEglx-or6k

I have to credit my parents for making me watch this movie, even if it was just to post this video!

Oh if only that were an option. Sadly even if we voted 3rd Party their votes would just get lumped into ether a Repub or Demo by the Electoral College.

Also I'll top your clip with one of my own!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs9P44voNfU
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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby drawscore » Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:44 am

I agree with the "No Bush; no Clinton" sentiment. But a Hillary presidency would be Obama's third term or Jimmy Carter's fourth, and if the choice was between Hillary, who has more baggage than an airport carousel, and Jeb Bush, who is not my preferred candidate, I will hold my nose, and vote for Jeb.

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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby NemesisPrime » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:33 am

Clones actually xD
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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby xtc » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:38 am

A chimp is a chimp.

Al the while the American (or at least citizens of part of the northern part of the continent) people have to suffer the bizarre electoral college system they will be denied democracy.

Even our (British) flawed system is better - - - but then. we don't have to elect a Sovereign.
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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby wataru14 » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:24 pm

Personally, I don't like Hillary that much. I would much rather have Elizabeth Warren than her, but sadly that is not to be. However, being a low-income gay atheist, and given the current state of the party, I will be dead in the cold cold ground before I vote Republican.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Kyle » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:43 pm

Jeb Bush will have a very hard time getting elected simply because of his name, in contrast to Hillary Clinton, who would probably get elected if the election happened today primarily (I'll stop short of saying solely) because of her name. I don't really want to hold anyone's family against them, but I'll admit, I don't like the idea of these legacy political families.

Anyway, Jeb Bush almost certainly has to know all of this, and will probably do as much as possible to downplay his connections to his brother while still remaining relatively "Republican" in nature.

None of the candidates I've heard about have gotten me excited yet, but there's still a ways to go before the election, which means we have many more months for the media to find all the terrible secrets in everyone's lives.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Chris12 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:37 am

I haven't heard anything negative of this Bush but with that troublesome name its in his own best interest to watch his words very, very carefully.

I heard this Bush was ''the good son'' who Bush senior would have preferred to be president over his other son.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby wataru14 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:56 am

Well, he did commit massive election fraud to get his brother elected in the first place. So he's got that going for him.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby misterg792000 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:41 am

The notion of Jeb being "moderate", much less "wiser" than his brother is hilarious. He already has the same foreign policy advisers, while calling his brother's catastrophically terrible foreign policy "irrelevant". Same incoherent messaging.

Here's my stunning prediction, with which I will prove my psychic gifts: the eventual GOP nominee will be a white male over 50 from a wealthy family who will talk about cutting wasteful spending, by which he means slashing social spending and throwing ever more money at the Military/Industrial Complex, and will persist in telling the middle class and poor people that the only thing keeping them from being Captains of Industry are people poorer than them. If (hopefully when) this candidate loses, expect a lot of fake soul-searching that refuses to acknowledge growing distrust of rich old white men before they do the exact same thing in 2020.

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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby drawscore » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:21 am

>>>Well, he did commit massive election fraud to get his brother elected in the first place. So he's got that going for him.<<<

Three points: First, several newspapers, including the New York Times, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Miami Herald, joined in a close inspection of the 2000 election, and projected more than 20 different scenarios. Only in two, did Al Gore win in Florida.

Second, if Gore had won his home state of Tennessee, Florida would have been a non issue. He would have had the 270 electoral votes needed to capture the presidency.

Third, it was the Gore campaign that attempted to have tossed out, thousands of ballots cast by military members, because they knew that the military leans heavily conservative and Republican.

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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby wataru14 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:13 am

>>> First, several newspapers, including the New York Times, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Miami Herald, joined in a close inspection of the 2000 election, and projected more than 20 different scenarios. Only in two, did Al Gore win in Florida

That's all speculation. It's meaningless. How it was projected doesn't matter, it's how it played out that does.

>>> Second, if Gore had won his home state of Tennessee, Florida would have been a non issue

That is a non-issue. Whether Gore won Tennessee is irrelevant. I'm talking about what happened in Florida.

>>> it was the Gore campaign that attempted to have tossed out, thousands of ballots cast by military members, because they knew that the military leans heavily conservative and Republican

That bears some looking into. But the controversy went far beyond the military. The inaccurate "purge list" of felons (who weren't actually felons) took a big chunk of Democratic voters off the rolls.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby misterg792000 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:11 am

The actual scenario that happened was that the Supreme Court (including Reagan/Bush toady Scalia) halted recounts and appointed our first Child President, who handily lost the election in the most meaningful sense. Not that the truth matters when the sum total of your knowledge came from AM radio, as has been made repeatedly apparent.

Either way, hooray for archaic nonsense like the electoral college.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Kyle » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:38 am

It seemed somewhat relevant based on the recent change in the thread's direction.

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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby drawscore » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:42 pm

>>> Second, if Gore had won his home state of Tennessee, Florida would have been a non issue

That is a non-issue. Whether Gore won Tennessee is irrelevant. I'm talking about what happened in Florida.<<<

It is relevant. When you can't win your home state, something's wrong. When the people that know you best, reject you, you have a problem. And once again, if Gore had carried his home state, the result in Florida would have been meaningless. (It should be noted that Romney did not win either Massachusetts or Michigan in 2012)

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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby wataru14 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:01 pm

>>> When you can't win your home state, something's wrong. When the people that know you best, reject you, you have a problem. <<<

A liberal Democrat not being able to win a state in the heart of Dixie is hardly surprising, hometown boy or not.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby misterg792000 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:45 pm

drawscore wrote:It is relevant.


It's not, no matter how desperately you wish it to be or what Rush "Pill Daddy" Limbaugh told you. Especially considering that Bush couldn't win his home state of Connecticut (LOL at everyone who fell for the fake Good Ol Boy from Texas act) either and that you're living in the era of the "Southern Strategy".
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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby drawscore » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:33 pm

>>>A liberal Democrat not being able to win a state in the heart of Dixie is hardly surprising, hometown boy or not.<<<

Tennessee was not a Confederate state, and besides, he DID get elected in Tennessee, to the Senate, prior to becomming Clinton's VP.

Wikipedia says: "Gore was an elected official for 24 years. He was a Congressman from Tennessee (1977–85) and from 1985 to 1993 served as one of the state's Senators."

That means the people of his district in Tennessee elected him to congress four times ('76,'78, '80, and '82), and twice, statewide, to the senate ('84 and '90), before he was tapped by Clinton to be his running mate for the '92 election. The Clinton-Gore ticket, in '92 and '96, carried Tennessee both times.

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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Kyle » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:27 pm

It's somewhat beside the point, but Tennessee was a Confederate state. It was the last state to secede of the ones that joined and it was the first to rejoin the Union and had a lot of Union sympathizers but it did join the Confederacy. Although describing it as "in the heart of Dixie" is kind of stretching it.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:16 pm

drawscore wrote:
Tennessee was not a Confederate state

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Your grasp of history is rather wanting. Tennessee was indeed in the confederacy.
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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby misterg792000 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:06 am

Not only was Tennessee a confederate state, it was the birthplace of the Klan. It's also not hard to find confederate memorabilia for sale anywhere and everywhere in that hillbilly wasteland.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Kyle » Mon Apr 27, 2015 4:53 pm

misterg792000 wrote:Not only was Tennessee a confederate state, it was the birthplace of the Klan. It's also not hard to find confederate memorabilia for sale anywhere and everywhere in that hillbilly wasteland.


Probably never set foot in the state...

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby misterg792000 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:22 pm

Kyle wrote:
misterg792000 wrote:Not only was Tennessee a confederate state, it was the birthplace of the Klan. It's also not hard to find confederate memorabilia for sale anywhere and everywhere in that hillbilly wasteland.


Probably never set foot in the state...


I've been from one end of Tennessee to the other. Guess what? Outside of the Knoxville area, it is in fact hillbilly wasteland. You haven't lived until you've seen some bucktoothed inbred unironically selling Nathan Bedford Forrest t-shirts. The entire Jackson to Memphis corridor should be considered North Mississippi.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Kyle » Mon Apr 27, 2015 6:55 pm

misterg792000 wrote:
Kyle wrote:
misterg792000 wrote:Not only was Tennessee a confederate state, it was the birthplace of the Klan. It's also not hard to find confederate memorabilia for sale anywhere and everywhere in that hillbilly wasteland.


Probably never set foot in the state...


I've been from one end of Tennessee to the other. Guess what? Outside of the Knoxville area, it is in fact hillbilly wasteland. You haven't lived until you've seen some bucktoothed inbred unironically selling Nathan Bedford Forrest t-shirts. The entire Jackson to Memphis corridor should be considered North Mississippi.


I never thought I'd live to see the day somebody held up Knoxville as the one non-hillbilly area in Tennessee, and Memphis--a city where about 2/3 of the population is black, mind you-- as the epitome of "hillbilly."

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby misterg792000 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:42 pm

I didn't say Knoxville was "non-hillbilly", it's just less hillbilly than the rest of that hole of a state. You also apparently didn't read that last sentence very well.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Kyle » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:25 pm

Well, the overall point of my last post was that you're spouting off a load of crap, but if you really want to start picking apart the tiniest details instead I guess we can go that route, but I'd like to think we both have better things to do.

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby misterg792000 » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:24 am

Kyle wrote:but if you really want to start picking apart the tiniest details instead


Calling you out for creating and fighting a straw man isn't exactly "picking apart the tiniest details".

Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby Jason Toddman » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:08 am

Am I going to have to separate you two? Now play nice!
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Re: A Moderate and Wiser Bush?

Postby drawscore » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:57 pm

Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the Klan, was a Democrat.

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