truly_trussed wrote:Don't forget Teddy is on Mount Rushmore. In 1896 he freaked out the Republican Establishment so much they put him on the ticket as VP. They figured he couldn't do much harm at that level. They didn't count on President McKinley getting assassinated.
There hasn't been a truly honest politician in the US since Teddy Roosevelt died.
Chris12 wrote:Congratulations Republicans but I hope you'l excuse me for my first reaction being ''yuck''
Isn't this just granting them even more tools to grind the governance of the US to a complete stop....again? The last time came disturbingly close to economic trouble.
I won't scream doom and gloom for the US yet but I do think the republicans have something to prove when it comes to using their power in good faith.
Kimmi wrote:He won twice. The electoral collage votes put him in office as our system dictates. He was legally voted in twice.
Jason Toddman wrote:Chris12 wrote:Congratulations Republicans but I hope you'l excuse me for my first reaction being ''yuck''
Isn't this just granting them even more tools to grind the governance of the US to a complete stop....again? The last time came disturbingly close to economic trouble.
I won't scream doom and gloom for the US yet but I do think the republicans have something to prove when it comes to using their power in good faith.
I'm sure people like Drawscore are happy, but it only proves to me that Democracy has its flaws when the public are not well informed about the issues.
The GOP won big on the state level with the governorships too. My own state (however narrowly) re-elected a governor who is just about the biggest fool and asshole imaginable, and who anyone with any sense should have considered unelectable. My faith in human nature was already shattered when Bush won a second term en years ago though, so thiugh I am disappointed I'm not terribly shocked anymore. Many of my fellow Americans just have no GD sense at all.
drawscore wrote:If people were intelligent and well-informed, and knew what was going on in the country and world, instead of digesting all the crap fed to us
Jason Toddman wrote:Kimmi wrote:He won twice. The electoral collage votes put him in office as our system dictates. He was legally voted in twice.
This is technically correct but it evades the point that in one sense the Supreme Court decided the issue in 2000, not the electoral college. The count was too close to call in Florida (itself needed as a tie-breaker in electoral votes but NOT in popular votes) and the Supreme Court had to make a decision about the validity of some votes there that remains somewhat controversial to this day.
drawscore wrote:Ahh, but how often we forget one little thing: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee, it would have put him over the top in electoral votes, and Florida would not have mattered.
But those that knew him best - his fellow Tennesseans - rejected him in favor of Bush.
Drawscore
drawscore wrote:Jason Toddman wrote:Kimmi wrote:He won twice. The electoral collage votes put him in office as our system dictates. He was legally voted in twice.
This is technically correct but it evades the point that in one sense the Supreme Court decided the issue in 2000, not the electoral college. The count was too close to call in Florida (itself needed as a tie-breaker in electoral votes but NOT in popular votes) and the Supreme Court had to make a decision about the validity of some votes there that remains somewhat controversial to this day.
Ahh, but how often we forget one little thing: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee, it would have put him over the top in electoral votes, and Florida would not have mattered.
Jason Toddman wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that though George Bush owns a summer home here in Maine and carried the state handily in his own 1988 election, his son GB Jr failed to do so both times he ran in 2000 and 2004. So really such statistics are totally meaningless; especially if you're going going to point it out when Dems flub it.
drawscore wrote:Jason Toddman wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that though George Bush owns a summer home here in Maine and carried the state handily in his own 1988 election, his son GB Jr failed to do so both times he ran in 2000 and 2004. So really such statistics are totally meaningless; especially if you're going going to point it out when Dems flub it.
Ahhh, there is a difference between having a (vacation) home in one state, and a primary residence in another. Bush the younger's primary residence was Texas, a state he won easily, both in 2000, and in 2004.
Drawscore
drawscore wrote:Jason Toddman wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that though George Bush owns a summer home here in Maine and carried the state handily in his own 1988 election, his son GB Jr failed to do so both times he ran in 2000 and 2004. So really such statistics are totally meaningless; especially if you're going going to point it out when Dems flub it.
Ahhh, there is a difference between having a (vacation) home in one state, and a primary residence in another. Bush the younger's primary residence was Texas, a state he won easily, both in 2000, and in 2004.
misterg792000 wrote:drawscore wrote:Jason Toddman wrote:Kimmi wrote:He won twice. The electoral collage votes put him in office as our system dictates. He was legally voted in twice.
This is technically correct but it evades the point that in one sense the Supreme Court decided the issue in 2000, not the electoral college. The count was too close to call in Florida (itself needed as a tie-breaker in electoral votes but NOT in popular votes) and the Supreme Court had to make a decision about the validity of some votes there that remains somewhat controversial to this day.
Ahh, but how often we forget one little thing: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee, it would have put him over the top in electoral votes, and Florida would not have mattered.
Ahh but how you forget one little thing: that is completely irrelevant to the fact that Bush Jr remains the only non-elected President in history.
Jason Toddman wrote:drawscore wrote:Ahh, but how often we forget one little thing: If Al Gore had carried his home state of Tennessee, it would have put him over the top in electoral votes, and Florida would not have mattered.
But those that knew him best - his fellow Tennesseans - rejected him in favor of Bush.
Drawscore
People don't always vote for the home grown boy; especially when their state is full of rednecks and religious nuts.