## Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richard Mo

Post by vantran » Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:52 am

and Richard Mourdock? Are they the uneducated women who don't care about their statements about raped? Are these girls willing to put themselves to the test: be raped, and carry the child/chidlren forever and care for them forever?

### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:17 pm

Some women are probably too beaten down by domineering husbands (or parents) and religious beliefs to think for themselves, especially in those states where these fellows ran for office. In any case, I believe both of them lost their races, so hopefully it's a moot point now (at least as far as these two are concerned).
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by sarobah » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:38 pm

Self-loathing still appears strong amongst a significant proportion of my sex. I don’t understand why.
I am not an automatic hater of Republicans. However, considering the misogyny that has spewed out of some of its representatives, and that fact that a creature like Akin can still win nearly 40% of the vote, I would feel uncomfortable being alone in a room with one.
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Post by Jason Toddman » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:16 pm

So would I, and I'm not even female!
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Kyle » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:02 pm

Akin got beat. I have no idea who the other one is. The name sounds familiar but I can't place him.

### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:19 pm

> Kyle wrote:Akin got beat. I have no idea who the other one is. The name sounds familiar but I can't place him.

He's the one that was talking about "It may be God's will when a woman gets raped." Does that ring a bell? As far as I'm concerned, the guy was a ding-a-ling. If I was God, I doubt that I'd appreciate statements like that!
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Kyle » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:22 pm

> Jason Toddman wrote:

> > Kyle wrote:Akin got beat. I have no idea who the other one is. The name sounds familiar but I can't place him.

> He's the one that was talking about "It may be God's will when a woman gets raped." Does that ring a bell? As far as I'm concerned, the guy was a ding-a-ling. If I was God, I doubt that I'd appreciate statements like that!

Oh that guy. I knew I knew his name. I should have been able to put 2 and 2 together on this one considering the topic. That wasn't what he said though. The actual quote was "I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."
Incidentally, considering both he and his opponent were pro-life, as I discovered finding the actual quote, I'm not really sure just why this was an issue in the first place.

### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:54 pm

I never said it was an exact quote Kyle, but really... what's the difference?
"I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen." actual quote you cited
"It may be God's will when a woman gets raped." How *I* phrased it.
So, do you see any meaningful difference there? I don't... and probably neither did a lot of women voters in Indiana either.
Any way you look at it, invoking God's will when evil is done is NOT a very bright idea! At least, not in my opinion! The fact that even the Bible does this notwithstanding.
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:15 am

Unfortunately, the Republican Party has it's fair share of idiots, who drag the rest of us down. The Democrats have them, too, but the media covers their asses for them.
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:02 am

> drawscore wrote:Unfortunately, the Republican Party has it's fair share of idiots, who drag the rest of us down. The Democrats have them, too, but the media covers their asses for them.
> Drawscore

So why is bad when blacks use the bias card but it's okay for white conservatives to do so?
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:48 pm

>>>So why is bad when blacks use the bias card but it's okay for white conservatives to do so?<<<
I think you have it backward. Blacks like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Jereniah Wright, and Eric Holder play the race or "bias" card quite frequently, and the media almost always ignores it
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:28 pm

> drawscore wrote:>>>So why is bad when blacks use the bias card but it's okay for white conservatives to do so?<<<
> I think you have it backward. Blacks like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Jereniah Wright, and Eric Holder play the race or "bias" card quite frequently, and the media almost always ignores it
> Drawscore.

Maybe that's because sometimes they have a valid point. If there weren't so many racists in this country, we wouldn't have to put up with these guys (who, frankly, I don't like much better than you do. But Hey; Freedom of speech is for everyone - not just those we like or agree with).
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:07 pm

Sharpton and Jackson haven't had a valid point in their lives. They, along with Wright and Holder are "race hustlers."
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jack Roper » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:57 pm

Kevin Drum wrote a good piece in Mother Jones about the Republican party's problems with blacks and Latinos. Drawscore might do well to contemplate these words and look in his mirror.
"I know they don't want to hear this, and I know that a lot of Republicans are deeply invested in a belief that liberals, not conservatives, are the real racial scaremongers. And I also know that it's almost impossible to talk about this because even the slightest suggestion of racial hostility is instantly toxic.
But as Bernie Goldberg admitted earlier this year, "There is a strain of bigotry — and that's the word I want to use — running through conservative America....That has to leave the conservative movement....I am sick of it." He's right. Lightening up on immigration won't be enough. Like it or not, conservatives are going to need a much more thorough housecleaning if they want to survive in an increasingly diverse future. No more gratuitous ethnic mockery. No more pretense that reverse racism is the real racism. No more suggestions that minorities just want a handout. No more screeching about the incipient threat of Sharia law. No more saturation coverage of the pathetic New Black Panthers. No more complaining that blacks get to use the N word but whites don't. No more summers of hate on Fox News. No more tolerance for Dinesh D'Souza and his "roots of Obama's rage" schtick; or for Glenn Beck saying Obama has a "deep-seated hatred of white people"; or for Rush Limbaugh claiming that "Obama's entire economic program is reparations." No more jeering at the mere concept of "diversity." And no more too-clever-by-half attempts to say all this stuff without really saying it, and then pretending to be shocked when you're called on it. Pretending might make you feel virtuous, but it doesn't fool anyone and it won't win you any new supporters.
That's just a start. One way or another, the Republican Party simply has to stamp this out. And not just because they need to do it to survive, but because it's the right thing to do. That still counts, doesn't it?"

### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Kyle » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:22 pm

> Jason Toddman wrote:I never said it was an exact quote Kyle, but really... what's the difference?
> "I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen." actual quote you cited
> "It may be God's will when a woman gets raped." How *I* phrased it.
> So, do you see any meaningful difference there? I don't... and probably neither did a lot of women voters in Indiana either.
> Any way you look at it, invoking God's will when evil is done is NOT a very bright idea! At least, not in my opinion! The fact that even the Bible does this notwithstanding.

Actually yes, I saw his quote as meaning a blessed life could come out of a tragedy. He never once said rape was a good thing. His words could have perhaps been better chosen, but let's face it, somebody would have spun it bad no matter what.

### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:25 pm

I can't think of any answer to your statement Kyle that wouldn't sound like I was trying to start an argument, so I'll just politely say I disagree - both with the statement and your interpretation of it - and leave it at that. Imo though, what he said (and not just how he said it) showed shocking insensitivity. By that logic, you could justify anything at all - right up to and including murder of a child (Oh, Now he won't have to grow up to go to prison or be a bum!). I don't want anyone setting a precedent like that! Do you?
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:55 am

Being conservative does not make one a bigot. The two are not mutually inclusive.
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Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:17 pm

> drawscore wrote:Being conservative does not make one a bigot. The two are not mutually inclusive.
> Drawscore

True enough; it's just that the ones who ARE bigots tend to be more vocal and add to the stereotype that all conservatives are bigots. Bill O'Really, Rush Limburger Cheese, Karl Roving Lunatic, Sarah Palin in the Butt, Ann Coulter, and so on. Of course, I prefer not to hazard a guess as to the actual percentage that are bigots...
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:49 pm

And yet, you get upset when I refer to Obama as "Obozo," or his administration an an "Obamanation." Tell me, who is the bigot now?
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:53 pm

But speaking of Limburger cheese, a chunk of it on the engine block of a vehicle belonging to someone you don't like, will give his/her vehicle an unforgettable aroma, which can last for several weeks.
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:59 pm

> drawscore wrote:And yet, you get upset when I refer to Obama as "Obozo," or his administration an an "Obamanation." Tell me, who is the bigot now?
> Drawscore

None of these are the president of the United States, and all of them have displayed their racial bias time and again.
And speaking of name calling, please recall I have not called YOU a bigot; kindly do me the same courtesy.
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:03 pm

>>>None of these are the president of the United States, and all of them have displayed their racial bias time and again.<<<
No. Calling someone, even Obama, an idiot, is not racial bias. If I called him a "black idiot," you might have a case. Just because I disagree with him and his policies, does not make me a racist or bigot. But that's something those on the left have difficulty understanding. They feel ANY criticism of Obama is racially based, when much of it is not.
>>>And speaking of name calling, please recall I have not called YOU a bigot; kindly do me the same courtesy.<<<
The statement should have been "Who is making racially charged statements now?" And besides, while you may not have directly called me a bigot, you certainly implied as much when you said that >>>. . . all of them have displayed their racial bias time and again.<<<
Bill Clinton never said that he "loathed" the military, either, but damn well implied it when he wrote "It is possible to love my country, but loathe the military."
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:04 pm

> drawscore wrote:>>>None of these are the president of the United States, and all of them have displayed their racial bias time and again.<<<
> No. Calling someone, even Obama, an idiot, is not racial bias. If I called him a "black idiot," you might have a case. Just because I disagree with him and his policies, does not make me a racist or bigot. But that's something those on the left have difficulty understanding. They feel ANY criticism of Obama is racially based, when much of it is not.
> >>>And speaking of name calling, please recall I have not called YOU a bigot; kindly do me the same courtesy.<<<
> The statement should have been "Who is making racially charged statements now?" And besides, while you may not have directly called me a bigot, you certainly implied as much when you said that >>>. . . all of them have displayed their racial bias time and again.<<<
> Bill Clinton never said that he "loathed" the military, either, but damn well implied it when he wrote "It is possible to love my country, but loathe the military."
> Drawscore

In your case of calling the president Obozo, I am not referring to racial bias. I am referring to the fact that you are disrespecting the office of the President of the United States. Perhaps you feel it;s okay to express Patriotism only when it suits you, but I do not. Dislike the man in the White house all you want, but when you mock him you mock the United States. I loathed Bush, but I did not mock the man by calling him names; I feel he led the country into disaster, but he was still the President and so still deserves respect regardless of my feelings about him. President Obama deserves the same, regardless of what you feel about the man himself, his race, or anything else. To say otherwise is equivalent to wearing you patriotism on your sleeve, as far as *I* am concerned.
In regards to Rush and the others, you statement makes little sense to me. How is referring to him as Rush Limburger racist? He is not black, nor does he hold federal office; he is a public citizen who disrespects others - so why should I hold HIM with any respect? His race has nothing to do with it, or are you saying you call the President Obozo just because he is black. *I* did not accuse you of this; are you saying such is the case anyway, or what?
When I said all of them, I referred specifically to the people I listed, not you and not all conservatives. You read into what I said something that is not there. Why?
So, since this is something you complain others do to you, how about it if the next time you take offense at something I (or anyone else) say, you find out first if any personal offense is intended, okay?
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Post by drawscore » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:37 pm

>>>In your case of calling the president Obozo, I am not referring to racial bias. I am referring to the fact that you are disrespecting the office of the President of the United States.<<<
No. I have a vast amount of respect for the office of the president. The person who occupies that office must earn my respect. Obozo has fallen terribly short in that respect, and there IS a difference between respecting the office, and respecting the person who holds it. When I was in service, I had to show respect by saluting and saying "sir" to the rank, not to the person. Again, they are not mutually inclusive.
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:06 am

You're entitled to your opinions, but picking and choosing what you publicly respect isn't really how the system works, regardless of what you think. You don't seem to realize that the next time a conservative takes over the white house, he'll likely be subjected to the same abuse by liberals you conservatives heaped on Obama simply because you set a precedent for lowering the standards of how much respect we feel is due to a man in the office we disagree with. The country is so polarized today that this loss of civility is becoming inevitable. Liberals are not blameless by any means, but conservatives like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn McCoy have brought things to such new lows with their double standards that I doubt things will ever recover.
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:53 pm

Perhaps you forgot about all the abuse heaped on Bush by the Democrats and liberals during his eight years in office, or is that OK with you, while being critical of Obama is racist and disrespectful?
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:02 pm

Depends on what kind of abuse you are referring to. I recall no times when anyone interrupted him when he was speaking to call him a liar for instance - such as happened with Obama. Someone threw shoes at Bush, yes - but that person wasn't an American.
I think there was much in Bush's policies to disagree with, but you'll have to define what abuse you are specifically thinking of before I can come up with a meaningful response.
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:10 pm

>>>Depends on what kind of abuse you are referring to.<<<
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/knorus.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blo ... ie-mchugh#
Just two examples. There are hundreds of others.
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:18 pm

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
One is about a book saying Bush was misunderstood (something I disagree with but that's hardly the point here) and gives no specifics and the other is about Game of Thrones showing a decapitated head supposedly resembling Bush's - failing to point out that Bush's name was never used and that it supposedly was not deliberate; personally with that long hair it doesn't look a whole hell of a lot like Bush to ME. I think it hardly compares to calling the President a liar to his face in a public forum.
Neither story is stuff from a news source, which is what I thought you were talking about. This is the best you can do? How about something from CNN or MSNBC that talks about Bush the same way FOX news talks about Obama almost declaring outright that he's a traitor to this country?
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### Re: Why do American women still support Todd Akin and Richar

Post by drawscore » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:25 am

>>>How about something from CNN or MSNBC<<<
You mean the Communist News Network, and Mainly Shit; Nothing But Cowpies? Whatever makes you think anyone would find ANYTHING even remotely favorable to conservatives on either one? These weasels are as much in bed with China, as the Obama administration is.
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