## Why is Gay Marriage bad for Straight Marriage?

Post by Jack Roper » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:01 pm

  Why marriage?

### Re: Why is Gay Marriage bad for Straight Marriage?

Post by canuck100 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:36 pm

Same-sex marriage has been a reality in Canada since 2003, and honestly, I don't recall it being a much debated topic at the time, and it has pretty much been a non-issue since then. The sky hasn't fallen on our heads, Viewed from outside, the conservatism present in the American society is hard to understand. Your country is so advanced on many fronts, but this definitely isn't one of them.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:40 am

> canuck100 wrote:Same-sex marriage has been a reality in Canada since 2003, and honestly, I don't recall it being a much debated topic at the time, and it has pretty much been a non-issue since then. The sky hasn't fallen on our heads, Viewed from outside, the conservatism present in the American society is hard to understand. Your country is so advanced on many fronts, but this definitely isn't one of them.

You think that's bad? Look at the conservative nitwits who insist that Evolution is a lie, that the Apollo moon missions were a hoax, that much of global climate change was not induced by Humanity, and who want to roll back progress made by women, minorities, and even child labor. Many of them seem to have moved from the 20th century into the 19th rather than the 21st.
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Post by Fesselfan » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:40 am

Seems there are always people who want to tell others how to live their lifes. And always people who are afraid of things they can't understand.
Gladly, there are a lot of countries where things arent that retarded (regarding sexuality) as some parts of the USA. Just an example- in Sweden, it's normal to have sex education in elementary school. The whole topic is simply treated as much more natural there
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Post by Chris12 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:38 am

We where one of the first countries that had this I don't see the point in oposing it at all.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:36 pm

> Chris12 wrote:We where one of the first countries that had this I don't see the point in oposing it at all.

That's because the Dutch have been free thinkers for a lot longer than most of the rest of us. Hopefully someday we'll catch you to you.
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Post by bookl0ver » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:56 am

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Post by Jason Toddman » Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:07 am

> bookl0ver wrote:same sex marriage is bad because people are dickheads and need a good kick up the arse and a slap in the face.

Your argument makes little sense even for an 11-year-old. How about keeping off topics like this until you have something at least more intelligent (or at least funny) to say?
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Post by bookl0ver » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:18 am

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Post by Jason Toddman » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:23 am

> bookl0ver wrote:........what? I was being sarcastic. And i'm not 11.

These days, with people saying all sorts of nasty things with serious intent online, such sarcasm doesn't go over very well anymore.... if it ever did.
As for the age, haven't you claimed to be 11 repeatedly? Or have you had a birthday? In any case, maybe *I* was being sarcastic by implying you're even more juvenile than you actually are by writing such trash!
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Post by PetSilkenvixen » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:29 am

Because there's no such thing as "gay marriage". To have gay marriage, first you have to invent it.
Marriage is an open contract between a man, a woman, and God, for the purpose of being together forever and for raising a family to carry on the family name. The idea of "gay" marriage would devalue that, just like if someone wanted to "marry" his dog or his car. A civil union is fine if that's what you want, just don't call it "marriage" because it isn't.
The whole thing stemmed from gays wanting to access their partner's health insurance plan as the "spouse" because technically, they were. The insurance companies said, "No, you can't do that, you have to be a married spouse." And so it began.
And on a board dealing with games of tying up each other, who cares? There are proper venues for this kind of thing, why is this whole "Jump in the Fire" folder exist here of all places anyway? I come here to get away from this real-life nonsense!
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Post by Jason Toddman » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:36 am

> PetSilkenvixen wrote:And on a board dealing with games of tying up each other, who cares? There are proper venues for this kind of thing, why is this whole "Jump in the Fire" folder exist here of all places anyway? I come here to get away from this real-life nonsense!

Well, no one forces you to come here PSV, any more than anyone not interested in TUGs has to come to this site to begin with.
Personally, I get a tad annoyed myself when Chase Ricks goes on and on (and on - ad nauseum and ad infinitum) about rp games and what a great rp-er he is. That sort of thing has NOTHING to do with TUGs unless TUGs are incorporated into the games (which is often not the case). But I don't begrudge him and anyone else who likes such things their rp games threads. They bore me, so I don't go to such threads - but I don't go to their threads and tell them I question their right to be here... I just simply ignore them.
If Jump In the Fire doesn't appeal to you, then simply don't read it - but also please don't begrudge it to the rest of us who like to chat, debate, or argue with one another either. That's even LESS appropriate than begrudging a gay couple their... civil unions. It's also not your call.
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Post by Jay Feely » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:09 pm

Its not. Straights can marry and Gays can marry. Its ridiculous how straights cannot accept that all people should have equal rights.
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Post by Chase Ricks » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:10 pm

I am only posting here because Jason brought up my name in his last post. Normally I would avoid this type of debate because I am straight but I have gay friends so I treat them as equals. Even though homosexuals are looked down upon I believe they deserve equal rights too as long as they do not presume to force others to do the same thing against their will. That is all.
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Post by bookl0ver » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:03 pm

> xtc wrote:I agree with Jason. Please let's not have another argument like the one following your ignorant, racist remarks.

I beg your pardon? Racist? I said, if you're intelligent, that gay marrige is wrong, because people, need a slap in the face and a kick up the arse. Meaning i think people need to get a grip cos all marrige is the same. Honestly, and you people call me unintelligent.
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Post by bookl0ver » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:02 pm

wait, what does it imply? I thought being a bigot was being a homophobe? Meh, i'll take it down.
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Post by Kyle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:38 pm

> Jack Roper wrote:
> tumblr_m3xj0yLgcZ1rq0bcio1_500[1].jpg

Considering that most people who oppose gay marriage aren't going to be very supportive of anything on the left side of this little graphic either, what point is exactly being made here?
That's supposed to be showing the graphic again, but apparently they don't copy and paste well. Just look up at the top.

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Post by Jack Roper » Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:39 pm

The point is gay marriage will have absolutely no impact on straight marriage. Straight marriage is threatened by divorce, infidelity, and many other modern travails.

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Post by drawscore » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:31 pm

>>>Straight marriage is threatened by divorce, infidelity, and many other modern travails.<<<
And gay marriage isn't? It doesn't matter if you are gay or straight; the threats you mention apply equally to both gay and straight partnerships/marriages.
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Post by Kyle » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:45 pm

> Jack Roper wrote:The point is gay marriage will have absolutely no impact on straight marriage. Straight marriage is threatened by divorce, infidelity, and many other modern travails.

But my point is, most people (can't say all of them) who are against gay marriage probably aren't going to be very happy, or supportive of, anything on the left either. You're aiming it at the wrong people.
I think too much is made of gay marriage and wonder why on God's green Earth it's such a big deal to many people, and that goes for both sides. But make no mistake about it, most people who don't like gay marriage don't like divorce or infidelity either. Not many people do.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:48 pm

> drawscore wrote:>>>Straight marriage is threatened by divorce, infidelity, and many other modern travails.<<<
> And gay marriage isn't? It doesn't matter if you are gay or straight; the threats you mention apply equally to both gay and straight partnerships/marriages.
> Drawscore

Actually, I don't believe anyone is disputing that, Drawscore. The point was that gay marriage isn't a threat to straight marriage; whereas divorce, infidelity, etc ARE threats to it. I don't believe anyone has been able to compile statistics about such problems with gay marriages; largely because of their scarcity so far.
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Post by drawscore » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:11 pm

Statistics are funny things. Most people think math is inflexible, and they'd be right, except for the fact that the numbers can be manipulated to produce the desired result.
Someone with an agenda interviews five gay couples that have has partnership/marriage difficulties, with four of them ending in break-ups, and the headline screams "80% of gay marriages end in divorce."
It also applies to competing philosophies: For instance, the Democrats and the Republicans have a horse race. The Republican horse wins, but the headline reads "Democrat horse finishes second; Republican horse comes in next to last."
Also, a lot of it is in the wording. I can ask a question like "Do you approve or disapprove of a high speed highway system connecting major cities? Most people would answer in the affirmative, and the headline would read "72% approve of Adolf Hitler policy." (And it would be factual, as it was Hitler that built the Autobahn in Germany.)
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Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:50 pm

All goods points Drawscore. Only problem is that you failed to point out the fact that these are reporting practices as used by Fox News!
Yes, and probably all the liberal as well as conservative news programs too - but my first line was just as factually true as this one is.
And yes, that second line is open to interpretation too. I've encountered numerous examples of everything you said myself.
Here's an even more famous example that I am quoting from a wiki (although some people dispute the story's authenticity, I have heard it many times and have even heard it mentioned in conversation):
In 1950, Senator Claude Pepper, a three-term incumbent Senator of Florida, ran for re-election and faced off against Congressman George Smathers in the Democratic primary. Smathers launched an infamous smear campaign against Pepper that today sounds more like a fake political ad from Saturday Night Live.
Smathers outed Pepper as "a known extrovert," his sister as a "thespian," and his brother as a "practicing homo sapien." He accused Pepper of practicing "nepotism" with his sister-in-law and of "matriculating" with young women in college. Worst of all, he "practiced celibacy" before marriage.
Naturally, voters were horrified, and Pepper lost by over 67,000 votes. (To be fair, Smathers denied the story until the end of his Senate career in 1971, perhaps fearing that his own homo sapien past would come back to haunt him.)
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Post by bookl0ver » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:13 am

gay marriage doesn't effect straight marriage though. To quote, "If gays wanna get married and be miserable like the rest of us, let 'em."
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Post by Tieup1 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:31 am

If gay people want to get married, thats fine by me. It will not affect anybody else.
Married couples, whether they are gay or straight, will most probably have similar relationship problems along the way.

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Post by drawscore » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:23 pm

>>>In 1950, Senator Claude Pepper, a three-term incumbent Senator of Florida, ran for re-election and faced off against Congressman George Smathers in the Democratic primary. Smathers launched an infamous smear campaign against Pepper that today sounds more like a fake political ad from Saturday Night Live.
Smathers outed Pepper as "a known extrovert," his sister as a "thespian," and his brother as a "practicing homo sapien." He accused Pepper of practicing "nepotism" with his sister-in-law and of "matriculating" with young women in college. Worst of all, he "practiced celibacy" before marriage.
Naturally, voters were horrified, and Pepper lost by over 67,000 votes. (To be fair, Smathers denied the story until the end of his Senate career in 1971, perhaps fearing that his own homo sapien past would come back to haunt him.)<<<
I remember reading about that. Too bad the people were too dumb to look those words up in a dictionary. It all goes to prove my theory that bullshit is an art. Why do you think we are called "artists?"
However, Claude Pepper did enjoy a long career in the House of Representatives.
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Post by TUfriend » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:25 pm

Because God forbid the democrats have their way.

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### Re: Why is Gay Marriage bad for Straight Marriage?

Post by Jack Roper » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:35 pm

You mean like straight people do?