## Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:11 pm

Normally I am against the death penalty, but for someone like *this* piece of s**t I'd gladly put a bullet through his head myself.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Games_Bond » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:36 pm

I have to agree wholeheartedly with Jason's sentiments. I'm against the Death Penalty on Principle, but people like this make one think twice. I knew what the link was without even clicking on it.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't kill him - yet.

### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by drawscore » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:59 pm

Agreed. Him, and the major that shot up Ft. Hood, too.
But then, unlike Jason and Games, I have long been a supporter of the death penalty, even to the point of saying that the electric chair should be replaced with electric bleachers; that every Friday afternoon, you take convicted first degree murderers, serial rapists, and serial child molesters, out behind the court house, sit 'em down, lock 'em in, and throw the switch.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Chris12 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:58 am

People like that are why i'm in favor of the whole thing.
I've been to the batman film but the mood was rather gloomy for obvious reasons.

### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:12 am

Mostly I've been against capitol punishment because it's tended to be overused, and this in turn is because all the people that have turned out to be innocent of what they were convicted of because they were convicted purely on circumstantial evidence.
But for people like this, where guilt is certain and remorse in non-existent, I say give them a quick but fair trial and then shoot them.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by xtc » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:21 am

> xtc wrote:There are some civilised countries (e.g. GB) where there are relatively few guns and few deaths from firearms.
> There are some civilised countries (e.g. Switzerland) where there are guns everywhere and few deaths from firearms.
> There are some countries (e.g. the USA) where there are guns everywhere and frequent deaths from firearms. Go figure.

The "Joker". Four LEGALLY purchased guns, eh?
Point made, I think!
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Tieup1 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:28 am

Terrible incident, heartbreaking for families who have lost loved ones, and the local community, who must be in shock.
Think America ought to look at its gun laws, and make it harder for people to own firearms.

### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Kyle » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:31 am

It's actually pretty unusual for guns obtained legally to be used in crimes. More often than not they're obtained through illegal means, and gun control laws will do nothing to stop that. Just look at our anti-drug laws, they're working so well at keeping drugs out of people's hands...
I'm not generally a supporter of the death penalty more because it's unfairly applied more than any real moral stance against it. If you're a minority, male, and/or poor, you're much more likely to be put to death than anyone who doesn't fit those characteristics. But that's another discussion. Anyway, I also think guilt should be known for a fact, not just beyond a reasonable doubt, and it should be saved for only the most heinous crimes, namely mass murder, serial killing, torture killing, or things like that. I think it's safe to say this is a case that qualifies.
Honestly, I think this guy was making some kind of sick statement. He wanted to get caught.

### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by xtc » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:08 pm

> Kyle wrote:
> Honestly, I think this guy was making some kind of sick statement. He wanted to get caught.

So. You're in favour of killing the sick, then? That was a Nazi policy.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:27 pm

> xtc wrote:

> > Kyle wrote:
> > Honestly, I think this guy was making some kind of sick statement. He wanted to get caught.

> So. You're in favour of killing the sick, then? That was a Nazi policy.

There's sick, and then there's dangerously sick, xtc. Sometimes the best way to cure a sickness is through surgery. Whether this mofo is insane or not, he should be shot dead, just as Osama bin Laden was. Just as a rabid dog running loose would be. The bastard deserves no better.
If I could go back in time and kill him myself before he shot anyone, even if I were to die the next moment myself, I'd gladly do it.
So Drawscore, you still think I'm a far-left liberal?!?
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by sarobah » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:29 pm

Two point here, one directly related.
Whenever people use gun massacres as an example of American “gun culture”, it should be remembered that the three worst gun massacres in history have taken place in Norway, South Korea and Australia.
On the issue of “sick” and “dangerously sick”... In 1996 Australia’s worst killer, Martin Bryant, was clearly insane. His life sentence is definitely life – he will NEVER be released. He is kept in secure confinement so he cannot harm guards or other prisoners (and cannot be harmed).
So killing him would not protect society; and since he is insane, killing him is not by any reasonable definition a punishment for his crimes. His execution may make other people feel better, and if that’s acceptable then so be it. But we shouldn’t pretend the execution has any noble motive.
(And if anyone raises the argument that his execution would save the state the money spent to keep him incarcerated... in that case capital punishment is about economics, not justice, and we should admit that.)
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:36 pm

You're talking the way I normally would in a less clear-cut case than this one, Sarobah. I think what especially enrages me about this case more than usual is the fact that some of the victims were mere children; one a six-year-old girl. The idea of anyone even hurting a child - let alone gunning one down in cold blood - drives me into alternate fits of impotent rage and near despair for the human race.
Another point I thought of but forgot to mention before is: I think it's no coincidence this nutcase chose the Batman premiere to do his dirty work. I'll bet it'll come out that he figured that since mass murderers like the Joker seem to be so 'popular', then *he'd* become popular too by committing the same kind of senseless destruction the Joker would. Hell, he even identified himself as 'the Joker' when the police arrested him. The sickest part is: he might even be right in a way; it sure made Charlie Manson famous!
Villains like the Joker seem to fascinate us when they're in the comic books, TV or movies... but this creep is showing us that such villains are nowhere near as fascinating (or at least not in a fun way) in real life.
By a strange coincidence, just before this incident happened I was watching an animated movie called Superman Versus The Elite, which touches on exactly this same theme of what should be done with murderers like this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_vs._The_Elite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_S ... can_Way%3F
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Chris12 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:35 am

> So killing him would not protect society; and since he is insane, killing him is not by any reasonable definition a punishment for his crimes. His execution may make other people feel better, and if that’s acceptable then so be it. But we shouldn’t pretend the execution has any noble motive.

I'm fine with admitting that. I want people like that dead because they have proven they don't have the right to live and not because it would be noble, seeing as he's proven me right i see no problem with that.

> So Drawscore, you still think I'm a far-left liberal?!?

Now your just baiting him

### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:59 am

> Chris12 wrote:

> > So Drawscore, you still think I'm a far-left liberal?!?

> Now your just baiting him

Well... yeah!!!! Like he's never done it, huh?
I just want to see if he'll admit to being wrong for once on even a minor point such as this one.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by skybird137 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:40 am

I noticed something today, and I really hope that it is a coincidence.
Sunday marks the anniversary of the massacre in Norway.
This was on 22 July 2011, on a Friday.
The massacre in Denver Colorado was on 20 July 2012, on a Friday.
If you wanted to de as close to one year after, but still be on a Friday, this would be the day.

### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by drawscore » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:43 am

One may take positions that are liberal, and take others that are conservative. Nothing is ever set in stone. But because a person has ONE position that is conservative, does not make that person a conservative.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:00 pm

> skybird137 wrote:I noticed something today, and I really hope that it is a coincidence.

I have thought of that myself actually, but only the gunman can answer that one for sure. I think it's no coincidence that he chose to shoot up the movie about Batman however.

> drawscore wrote:One may take positions that are liberal, and take others that are conservative. Nothing is ever set in stone. But because a person has ONE position that is conservative, does not make that person a conservative.
> Drawscore

You sound like a politician again; sounding good without actually answering the question. Figures.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by drawscore » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:12 pm

Bullshit is an art. Why do you think we are called "artists?"
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:59 pm

Yes. You said this before.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by drawscore » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:40 am

That doesn't make it any less true.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Chris12 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:20 am

You know....i symphatise with all the victims, i really do....except this one!
The victim Torrence Brown jr is preparing to sue the shooters docters, the cinema and warner bros itself for making the Batman movie in the first place. Now the docters i can somewhat understand but i hugely dissagree with suing the other two. Brown is suing the Cinema for a lack of security but he should realise that those place normally don't need more guards then they already have! aside from a rare drunken brawl or people trying to sneak it, not much happends there.
And about suing Warner bros, thats just crazy! If the shooter is inspired by the batman movies then its because he was barking mad to begin with NOT because the movies drove him to it. I'm fully convinced that blaming video games for violance in just wrong on every possible level and now that this movie gets the same critism my opinion is the same: the guy is a moron!.
Now, i get he's probably traumatised(he lost his best friend) but blame who's to blame!. In my opinion him suing those people is either from shock which would be the most ''noble'' explanation, because he's an idiot or (and this is a rather sinister reason) because we wants their money. Justice is NOT in issue because the shooter is already brought before court.

### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Jason Toddman » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:47 am

The fellow ought to be glad he's even still alive!
Maybe the gunman ought to sue the maker of the ammo clip that jammed and kept him from killing even more people than he did; that would make as much sense than this does!
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by drawscore » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:48 pm

Chris, what you probably have here, is some poor schmuck who got roped in by an ambulance-chasing lawyer, who is looking for a big payday. The movie chain, the producing studio, and the stars of the movie are all "deep pockets," and may settle for about a tenth of the claim, just to make it go away.
What would stop this crap dead in its tracks, is a "loser pays" law. You file a civil lawsuit and you lose, you (and your lawyer, if it is deemed to be a frivolous suit) pay the defendant's legal fees, other expenses associated with the trial, and he is "made whole." (restored to the wealth and position he enjoyed before the lawsuit was filed)
The biggest problem, is that most legislators/politicians are lawyers, and would never pass such a law in any state. But it can be done in some states through "citizens' initiatives," where the citizens gather enough signatures on petitions to put it before the public. Then again, that's been tried before, and the petitions/proposed state constitutional amendments were struck down by judges in state circuit and appellate courts.
Of course, the fact that the circuit and appellate court judges are all lawyers couldn't possibly have anything to do with their decisions. After all, our judges are scrupulously fair and honest, and would NEVER act against the best interests of the people. Yeah, right. Can you say "blatant conflict of interest?"
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Chase Ricks » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:16 pm

I have so much respect for Christian Bale. If you haven't already heard he's in Colorado visiting the victims of last weeks shooting.
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### Re: Real Life Joker No Laughing Matter

Post by Jason Toddman » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:34 pm

I herd that someone suggested he go there dressed as Batman, but this is the first I've heard that he's actually gone there (hopefully as himself though).
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