## British Government

Post by Boundgal08 » Fri May 07, 2010 1:44 pm

Well folks it looks like us British people have a hung parliament, could be seen as good or bad! Of course, it would be seen as bad as the economy is too weak for us to have this sort of a situation we need to have a strong parliament and so far its not happening.
David Cameron, Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg, came it at a draw, of course, because no party got the majority vote, and so no one holds overall power, although Gordon Brown is still prime minister for now, how long he remains there is another thing. With the queen's speech due on the 25th May, we will have to see what happens.
Nick Clegg looks to be trying to make a coalition with another party either Labour or Conservatives, of course he did say earlier on today that he will not be forming a coalition with Gordon Brown ( Labour party) because he thinks David Cameron (Conservatives) have the majority seats and so should now be prime minister. Though I would hate to see conservatives in power, and especially David Cameron, I do not however mind them forming a coalition within the two parties, because both will share power and so all policies may not go through.
I am hoping for another general election, why? Because I think a hung parliament as we have had some in the past, will not last long, British politics do not do compromising and team work is something I would not expect from any of the 3 top parties .
Plus with the amount of people unable to vote simply because the polling stations had run out of ballot paper, or because they were simply turned away because they were too late, though they had been waiting for hours to cast their vote, its outrageous and an enquiry is going into the matter.
Thoughts and opinions are very welcome below, and if you are from another country and have not heard much about this the BBC will have plenty of coverage on it somewhere on there homepage, its just all about looking
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### Re: British Government

Post by MollyRosey » Fri May 07, 2010 1:51 pm

Well with a hung parliment it means all the partys will get a seat. That includes BNP which is not a good thing, Im not effected by any of the BNP's regulations but some of my close friends and neighbors will be. They are planning on removing anyone who isnt at least 4th generation British sooo
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### Re: British Government

Post by Boundgal08 » Fri May 07, 2010 2:00 pm

Wont happen, BNP do not hold enough seats to have such a say in such a policy! Would not happen!
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### Re: British Government

Post by haloguy » Fri May 07, 2010 3:00 pm

I think that the british people should be focusing on cleaning up your huge mess that has raised our gas prices, crippled part of our seafood industry, and has caused 4 states to declare a state of emergency because of the oil that your company BP spilled.

### Re: British Government

Post by Jason Toddman » Fri May 07, 2010 8:27 pm

Ease off, Haloguy. We've spilt our own share of oil ourselves in the past, seems to me. Remember the Exxon Valdez? Pointing fingers and casting blame helps no one. It sure as Hell isn't BoundGal's fault! I think the British have more reason to cuss US out for various reasons than the reverse, anyway.
As for the British Parliament; it sounds to me like Britain has gotten sucked into the same awful situation we have here in the U.S.A with our self-serving, no-nothing Congress. Our leaders our flushing our countries down the toilet and we do nothing about it but cuss them out and continue to vote for the same damned fools.
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### Re: British Government

Post by Spreadeagle » Sat May 08, 2010 1:12 am

Right Haloguy, before you go accusing us brits of destroying you coast, lets think of a few things the US have done that concern us.
The world banking collapse?
'Friendly fire' attacks in Iraq and Afganistan
you cant go saying shit bout the Uk when you lot have got your own problems, more that we have. Its people like you who give americans bad names
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### Re: British Government

Post by haloguy » Sat May 08, 2010 5:20 am

> Spreadeagle wrote:Right Haloguy, before you go accusing us brits of destroying you coast, lets think of a few things the US have done that concern us.
> The world banking collapse?
> 'Friendly fire' attacks in Iraq and Afganistan
> you cant go saying shit bout the Uk when you lot have got your own problems, more that we have. Its people like you who give americans bad names

oh yeah? you guys over there in europe are on the brink of bring OUR economy down now, with you guys letting greece into the euro when you well knew that all they wanted was to get rid of their debt! now the DOW jones average just fell 1000 POINTS the other day! the biggest drop ever because of the euro loosing it's value! we just lost 5% of our economy in just a week! if we hadn't made up for that 1000 point drop, we would most definitely be on the brink of another recession!
and about Afghanistan, what are you guys doing now? while we are sending hundreds of thousands of men over there in a huge offensive push, you guys are retreating!
I am not the one that gives americans bad names, it is the rest of the world that is just trying to justify not making it as well as the United States.

### Re: British Government

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat May 08, 2010 6:32 am

No offense meant Haloguy, but that sounds a little harsh... and arrogant!
One big reason why the whole world is in a mess is because the United States (admittedly with a little help from its friends, including the UK) up and decided about a century ago that it was going to be the world's policeman and remake the whole world into its image. Especially the establishment of Isreal. Not that Isreal is a bad thing in itself but the US and UK had no business in driving people out of their own homes and setting up a new country for Jews there. None whatsoever.
Right or not, divinely inspired or not (which you'd have to prove to me), that one act of interference alone in other countries' affairs has created much of the terrorism and strife we now face in this world; and personally I do not think it's been worth it.
Besides, American Jews, for all the talk about oppression they face, are far safer and happier in the US than they would be in Isreal.
THe US created its own share of world problems because of its arrogance (Bush years especially, but that's not the only example by any means); its no wonder Obama (who I wish at least had Bush's guts) can't fix it. Nobody could fix this mess within a decade or two now, barring a miracle.
We made our own damned mess. Yelling at our allies or fighrting one another is NOT going to help.
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### Re: British Government

Post by haloguy » Sat May 08, 2010 9:11 am

I seem to remember that the UK helped the USA with a lot of our ventures. and yes, we have decided to become the world's policemen, because, and I am not saying this to sound arrogant, but we usually do things right! think about it, in a mere 200 years, we have grown as the biggest superpower this world has ever seen, and all that we are trying to do is to make more people like us, happy, successful, and powerful. and if this means that we must wage war in Afghanistan, or impose sanctions upon others, than we are willing to do that for the greater good. we exist to help mankind.
when the earthquake struck haiti, we sent down 2000 soldiers and countless boxes of supplies to keep them alive. when Nazi germany was about to take over europe, we came to your rescue and stopped one of the greatest tragedies in all of mankind (meaning the holocaust and WWII)
if it wasn't for the United States, I would not be alive, I would not exist because my grandmother and grandfather would have not been some of the liberated from concentration camps, and they most likely would have been executed, along with 12,000,000 other people of my religion.
but if you think that we should have not been the world's policemen, then you would not have had airplanes, and light bulbs, and you would all most likely be under a Nazi/communist rule in europe. you would not have been able to stop the unstable powers from developing WMDs, which they would have. if the united states had not been "policing", then this world, I promise you, would be in much worse shape than it is now. but if you want to stand in the way of progress, and make us stop policing, than think of what might happen.
think about that for a while

### Re: British Government

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat May 08, 2010 10:00 am

To to clarify something Haloguy I am an American too; not British. In your talk you keep saying 'you' like I was European; if you're answering me at any time (as oppsed to the board in general), please don't talk like I'm different than you are. Our only differences between US is in our point of view not our nationalities.
You honestly do not see the conflict within your own first paragraph? Making people happy and successful by declaring war in Afghanistan and imposing sanctions? That's the kind of arrogant George Bush Jr. attitude that has put our country in this rotten mess! If you'll look at history close enough, you will see that EVERY nation that has had a habit of interfering with other nations' business (an active foreign policy, in other words) wind up bankrupting themselves! The only good reason to do so is if we are attacked; Afghanistan may have attacked us indirectly but our fumbling around there (and even worse with Iraq, which was never proven to have attacked us on 9-11) has made matters much worse all round rather than better.
You say we usually do things right? Define which things you are talking about. If you talk scientific achievement, I agree with you wholeheartedly. If you are talking moral or political choices however, you are so full of it.
We didn't enter World War II to help Europe. The war raged there well over two years before we did a frigging thing about it. We entered the war because the Japs bombed our own base at Pearl Harbor! Morality (superior or otherwise) didn't have a thing to do with it. It was pure self defense, and if that meant liberating Europe and turning Japan into a democracy, it was in self defense and not because we were purely the good guys. We did good (and I am glad we destroyed two evil regimes), but only when we were forced into it. All the same we became the heroes and everyone knew it. But had we really been doing things for moral reasons we'd have liberated the Soviet Union too. Had we done THAT when we easily couild have, maybe the world would be a better place. Maybe not. We'll never know. We weren't attacked by the Soviet Union, so we (rightfully or nlot) left them alone even though they were just about as bad as the Nazis.
The wars since then have not been for self defense nor to spread Democracy or technological enlightment to the rest of the world. We entered them either to oppose a conflicting and aggressive ideology (such as Communism) in places we considered strategically important, or to maintain steady and regular supplies of important resources for the United States (gasoline for example). We never did anything major for anyone (excepting humanitarian relief efforts for Haiti and many other disaster-struck areas, much of which was NOT the work of the government anyway) without a selfish motive; if I'm wrong, cite one example in the past few generations (but you'd better do your research first!) where self-defense, prestige, religious-specific morality with its flawed logic (such as the establishment of Isreal) or plain selfishness didn't play a role.
One major reason why many countries hate us is because we acted like we were morally as well as technologically superior to them for so long. Britain made the same mistake with us in colonial times. They learned from that mistake. So far, we have not.
Your last paragraph (excluding ''think about that for a while') is highly debatable. especially comparing technological achievements with policing the world. This is pure arrogance. The Nazis after all thought the same thing about themselves. Think about THAT!
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### Re: British Government

Post by MollyRosey » Sat May 08, 2010 11:11 am

If I remember rightly the English joined WW2 to help the rest of europe and they didnt have to join in. If im wrong it is probably because I have a superb talent of sneaking headphones into lessons even with short hair! I am pretty glad that boundgirl put this into the jump in the fire section as reading the replys god I think I am burning! Well about the Haiti thing I remember my community raised over Â£3000 to send over for help! And two of my friends parents have adopted Haiti kids when they didnt have to. They are both quite rich familys so they didnt do it for the money either! And dont you think your a bit selfish the way you capitalised OUR? And when you said about what the americans invented here is a little taster of that the english invented...
Television (I love my TV)
Radio (Well pretty awesome in its day)
Telephone (What was then into mobiles!)
Steam train (Ahh I love trains.)
Electricity (The big one)
Underground trains (I love underground)
Steam Locomotive (Thinks its an engine)
World Wide Web (We wouldnt be argueing without this)
Sports - Football, cricket, rugby BASEBALL (I love my sports and baseball was invented in England)
Chicken Tikka Masala (Yes shocking I know!)
Lightbulb (and god said let there be light )
Simon Cowell (Come on he does deserve something)
And American Idol, America's got talent and most other reality shows (I love reality shows )
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### Re: British Government

Post by haloguy » Sat May 08, 2010 1:02 pm

we invented color TV
we invented sattalite radio
we invented the cell phone
the steam train was replaced by our electric/diesel fuel train
no one invented electricity, but ben franklin Perfected it, but he was an american anyway
the internet was made there, but was perfected here, yours was full of bugs and glitches
WTF????? Baseball was invented in Pittsfield MA, where the hell did you think that europe invented sports?
who cares about chicken
the lightbulb was invented HERE!!!!! by thomas edison!!!!!
simon cowell was part british, so what?
american idol was invented here!!!!!
where the hell are you getting your information? you must be the most uninformed individual I have ever met, I mean seriously, the lightbulb in ENGLAND???? WTF?

### Re: British Government

Post by Reidy » Sat May 08, 2010 1:16 pm

The problem of the hung parliament could have been avoided if people in the UK weren't taken in by the bullshit of that toff Cameron and voted Labour. They may have been poor of late, but I would have them over the Tories any day of the week.

### Re: British Government

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat May 08, 2010 1:48 pm

Now I know why someone said that the British and Americans are two people separated by a common language.
The two countries also - by and large - have a common culture. We are all justifiable proud of our nations' achievements - if not their governments. We have both made major mistakes we wish hadn't been made. They WERE made. Let's just stop bickering and DEAL with it!
So let's not have a p***er contest about who invented what; a lot of great achievements were made in mainland Europe too that no one mentioned.
BTW Europe DID invent some sports - but Baseball was NOT one of them. Important research on electricity was done in Europe; but the biggest achievements were made in the USA by Thomas Edison. And that's as venal as I want to get.
Wasn't the original subject the British government? It's a mess. Okay, so that's another thing the US and UK now have in common. Anyone have some constructive ideas?
I for one admit I don't; history and science are my fields of interest/study not politics.
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### Re: British Government

Post by MollyRosey » Sat May 08, 2010 2:46 pm

American Idol was by Simon Cowel who was English and was copied of Pop Idol (I went to the concer! AWESOME!) And I got this of one of my researrch books as I am doing an A level in history so Im sorry if some where wrong! Blame my teacher! I know I do. I just thought to cheer p the mood I shall show these b****y photos thay tories and labour created about each over and jedward. (One of the unfortunate british creations)
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### Re: British Government

Post by Spreadeagle » Sat May 08, 2010 4:45 pm

Your both wrong, tv was invented by a scots man called john logie baerd... Or sumin like that. American idol was copied from our popstars, which came from an aussie style show in the 70s. Theres only one way to sort this, FOOTBALL (soccer) we got the yanks in the world cup so who wins that is the best country yeah? Id suggest a war but dont think that would happen. As long as england is better than france and canada is better than the U.S then im happy.
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### Re: British Government

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat May 08, 2010 5:15 pm

An interesting if completely illogical basis of comparison, to say the least.
If for some reason I had to leave the States to live in another country, I'd probably pick Australia over either Britain or Canada. I like the UK and have even been there (London Labor Day weekend 1982) but the UK and Canada have tedious winters. Australia for the most part does not. That is more important to me than who beat who in some sport I care nothing about. besides, I'd like to pet a kangaroo someday.
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### Re: British Government

Post by Suestruggles » Sun May 09, 2010 12:34 am

> MollyRosey wrote:Well with a hung parliment it means all the partys will get a seat. That includes BNP which is not a good thing, Im not effected by any of the BNP's regulations but some of my close friends and neighbors will be. They are planning on removing anyone who isnt at least 4th generation British sooo

How do you work that out? The BNP have no MPs. however if whe had true proportional representation on a aprty lis system they would have 11MPs. Think of that when you vote for electoral reform!
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### Re: British Government

Post by Boundgal08 » Sun May 09, 2010 11:54 am

Right OK what's going on here! I did not expect to come on here, listening to pitty wit on pathetic issues! You should all be ashamed of yourselves!
British politics are gone to pots, and I'm hearing stuff about the US, Oh I do apologise, byt ill tell you something, I don't give a monkey's ass about the Americans, I could throw a whole history at you, Americans blaming us lot for something so little, let us remind ourselves it was the US that put the WHOLE world into a financial crisis, plummeting most countries into recession, thankfully Britain are out of it now, for now at least, Americans are still there, and don't be blaming us, blame your god damn selves, don't go finding excuses, UK did this, Europe did that, you were the main cause, not the only cause, but the main cause of the recession, you put yourselves in there, with the rest of the world, you get yourselves out, yet you sit here throwing accusations at us British people for your faults! HELL NO!
Secondly, the war in Iraq is god damn pointless, it will never end.
Thirdly, about BP, Oh I am sorry again for this, you know what, again I do not care, whatever BP do that's there problem,its a human mistake, its not something that is a major crisis, yes it may lead to one, but again BP will sort it out, according to you, American people are so heroic and America is the best, FIX IT YOUR GOD DAMN SELF THEN!!!
Last but not least, about this Greece fanatic shite! That is all to do with Europe, as far as I know we are not part of Europe so don't put us with them, Greece are going to cause yet another recession, and could be worse, so don't blame us for there mistakes, if a country wants to blow money like it grows on trees let em!
Not our problem, at least when Britain has problems of their own, we don't go blaming other countries!
BG
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### Re: British Government

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun May 09, 2010 12:11 pm

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### Re: British Government

Post by haloguy » Sun May 09, 2010 2:58 pm

> Boundgal08 wrote:Right OK what's going on here! I did not expect to come on here, listening to pitty wit on pathetic issues! You should all be ashamed of yourselves!
> British politics are gone to pots, and I'm hearing stuff about the US, Oh I do apologise, byt ill tell you something, I don't give a monkey's ass about the Americans, I could throw a whole history at you, Americans blaming us lot for something so little, let us remind ourselves it was the US that put the WHOLE world into a financial crisis, plummeting most countries into recession, thankfully Britain are out of it now, for now at least, Americans are still there, and don't be blaming us, blame your god damn selves, don't go finding excuses, UK did this, Europe did that, you were the main cause, not the only cause, but the main cause of the recession, you put yourselves in there, with the rest of the world, you get yourselves out, yet you sit here throwing accusations at us British people for your faults! HELL NO!
> Secondly, the war in Iraq is god damn pointless, it will never end.
> Thirdly, about BP, Oh I am sorry again for this, you know what, again I do not care, whatever BP do that's there problem,its a human mistake, its not something that is a major crisis, yes it may lead to one, but again BP will sort it out, according to you, American people are so heroic and America is the best, FIX IT YOUR GOD DAMN SELF THEN!!!
> Last but not least, about this Greece fanatic shite! That is all to do with Europe, as far as I know we are not part of Europe so don't put us with them, Greece are going to cause yet another recession, and could be worse, so don't blame us for there mistakes, if a country wants to blow money like it grows on trees let em!
> Not our problem, at least when Britain has problems of their own, we don't go blaming other countries!
> BG

Okay then, lets see what would happen if this "monkey's ass" would have never existed. england would have continued growing for a while, until the french and several other countries would combine and overthrow their rule. then england would be confined to their small island. then the nazis would have invaded and taken over europe if it hadn't been for OUR intervention!
also, sure the oil rig was american made, but you guys were supposed to service it your god damn selves! and then it explodes!!! if you spill a drink, do you ask the person who gave you the drink to clean it up?
sure we caused the recession, but now, you guys are probably going to throw us into a deeper one and drag the whole world into it!
And about greece, it is all your fault, because you let greece into the euro. you knew full well that they had financial troubles. now, don't go blaming them about something that you knew about and bought yourself into!
I could keep this going all day you know. we could be squabbiling all month about this little thing. I suggest that we make a new thread, and us "Monkey ass americans" stay out of it

### Re: British Government

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun May 09, 2010 10:32 pm

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### Re: British Government

Post by haloguy » Mon May 10, 2010 6:02 am

yeah, I'm starting a new topic now

### Re: British Government

Post by Chris12 » Sat May 15, 2010 12:52 pm

> haloguy wrote:

> > Spreadeagle wrote:Right Haloguy, before you go accusing us brits of destroying you coast, lets think of a few things the US have done that concern us.
> > The world banking collapse?
> > 'Friendly fire' attacks in Iraq and Afganistan
> > you cant go saying shit bout the Uk when you lot have got your own problems, more that we have. Its people like you who give americans bad names

> oh yeah? you guys over there in europe are on the brink of bring OUR economy down now, with you guys letting greece into the euro when you well knew that all they wanted was to get rid of their debt! now the DOW jones average just fell 1000 POINTS the other day! the biggest drop ever because of the euro loosing it's value! we just lost 5% of our economy in just a week! if we hadn't made up for that 1000 point drop, we would most definitely be on the brink of another recession!
> and about Afghanistan, what are you guys doing now? while we are sending hundreds of thousands of men over there in a huge offensive push, you guys are retreating!
> I am not the one that gives americans bad names, it is the rest of the world that is just trying to justify not making it as well as the United States.

Didn't Amerika drag the whole world into a financial crisis?
You have little right to complain about Greece if you compare your situation to ours WE MUST pay OUR money so that Greece can clear up their mess
About Afghanistan OF COURSE we are retreating its pointless to stay. We would not even allow our soldiers to set a foot in that country if it was not for Amerika.
We did you guys a SERVICE by sending our own troops to a pointless war being ungratefull because my country is leaving at the time everyone AGREED we would leave is stupid.

### Re: British Government

Post by Boundgal08 » Sat May 15, 2010 12:57 pm

Chris just leave it... I never gave America a bad name, I just cant see why you would wish to blame the rest of the world for America's faults... yes we have our own problems, but it was your banking system that sent the world into a recession! and of course being American yourself will deny it, why should you do otherwise, you believe what's wrong and Ill believe what's right!
Thanks again, I do hope that no one else wishes to join this little debate, I will happily find articles on the internet for you,for evidence, if you do wish!
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### Re: British Government

Post by MollyRosey » Sun May 16, 2010 2:45 am

Well as a randomer told me yesterday when I was at a school trip if George Bush AND Tony Blair had drank urine we wouldn't be in iraq! Yes he was wierd but it was funny
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### Re: British Government

Post by Boundgal08 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:18 am

Maybe this will clear up this 'argument' over who invented the TV, yes cause that has loads to do with the topic really.
I do not trust wikipedia as much as other sites.... but its the best I have found
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television
So check it out....
Cheers,
BG
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I am a switch, I like to put a man in ropes and also have a man put me in ropes!
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