A thought

Postby Stef » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:37 am

Is it just me or new stories have been decreased in "quality" over time? Now, don't get me wrong, i don't mean they aren't good, i mean that the newest stories are all about sexual fantasies while i think it's supposed to be all about TUGS. (Tie-up games) Also, i'd like to point out the wrong use of the forums. True stories for example, are stories about events that happened. Second example; PG-17 are for stories that have adult content. There are minors around here.

I find really hard to believe the countless stories (usually written by the same person) actually happened, and i fail to understand why anyone would do that. On that note, is it possible to sort stories by author/views or anything like that?

I just have the feeling that a few years ago, this site's community was much more mature regarding topics and stories.

I'd like to suggest the following regarding stories:

1. A rating system. Thumbs up or a "like" or a favorite?
2. A better sorting system. Sort by author/popularity/views and so on would be very helplful.
3. Tags on stories. ie #kidnap #daughter #sister #friend #burglar #TUG #bondage #homeinvasion #askingforit #selfbondage or whatever...
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Re: A thought

Postby no_card » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:47 am

Eeh. Sturgeon's Law has always applied to this site. "True" TUG stories rarely happened, and the limits of PG-17 has been routinely violated.
A tagging system would be nice, though. I'm just not sure how the mods would pull that off since this is a forum and not an image board.
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Re: A thought

Postby simthj » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:51 am

^ i agree

Re: A thought

Postby Jay Feely » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:12 am

why do you think authors who write true stories that it never happened or they stretch the truth? that is rude
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Re: A thought

Postby AlexUSA » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:23 am

^Because some of them are just completely and utterly ridiculous and, due to various reasons, including physical laws, couldn't ever happen? I can think of several authors this would apply to, but you aren't one. So many of them are just too fast to fill up the site with supposedly "real" stories that would, in reality, probably mean they somehow lived 16-20 years in the space of 8 years.

1. No ratings systems... ever... there are too many authors here with high hit counts (some I don't know WHY) that would bias the rating, and every website that uses a +/- or a like system ends up getting abused and going to hell in a handbasket.

2. See #1, particular the biasing from high hit counts, which would in turn FURTHER prevent new authors from getting readers

3. Interesting, but difficult to police because we mods would have to investigate every stories tags for content

Are far as quality going down? I've been seeing people say that ever since I first found this site! I do have some various thoughts, but it isn't appropriate to air them publicly or privately.
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Re: A thought

Postby xtc » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:24 am

There is much in the original post with which I agree but I am not "techie" enough to be able to agree or disagree with some of them. I thank Stef for bringing his points up as we should probably discuss them.

I agree that there is too much emphasis on smut sorry, "adult content" and very little about the "Tying" or "Game" aspects of certain narratives. We have at least one story that is simply disgusting. I know that is a personal opinion and that certain members expect a good level of smut .

Having said the above and, although I post very little smut on this site, the only really smutty one is also very popular! In my defence, there is also a lot of tying and the whole thing could be described as a game.

I miss writers such as Barefootethan with his "innocent " m/m fantasies and Sarobah with her brilliantly written m/f more "adult" tales. If some writers of "more intimate" tales could reflect the sheer manic joy of some of Snobound's later adventures, I think they might be able to restore the imbalances that are all too evident round here.

There is a certain TUGs writer who, unfortunately, I can not persuade to post here due to what he describes, with certain justification, as the "drama" on the site.

Any ideas?
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Re: A thought

Postby Jay Feely » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:54 am

AlexUSA wrote:^Because some of them are just completely and utterly ridiculous and, due to various reasons, including physical laws, couldn't ever happen? I can think of several authors this would apply to, but you aren't one. So many of them are just too fast to fill up the site with supposedly "real" stories that would, in reality, probably mean they somehow lived 16-20 years in the space of 8 years.

1. No ratings systems... ever... there are too many authors here with high hit counts (some I don't know WHY) that would bias the rating, and every website that uses a +/- or a like system ends up getting abused and going to hell in a handbasket.

2. See #1, particular the biasing from high hit counts, which would in turn FURTHER prevent new authors from getting readers

3. Interesting, but difficult to police because we mods would have to investigate every stories tags for content

Are far as quality going down? I've been seeing people say that ever since I first found this site! I do have some various thoughts, but it isn't appropriate to air them publicly or privately.


if that is true, there should be a section for true with fiction details or writer should say that at beginninf
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Re: A thought

Postby AlexUSA » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:42 am

Jay Feely wrote:
AlexUSA wrote:^Because some of them are just completely and utterly ridiculous and, due to various reasons, including physical laws, couldn't ever happen? I can think of several authors this would apply to, but you aren't one. So many of them are just too fast to fill up the site with supposedly "real" stories that would, in reality, probably mean they somehow lived 16-20 years in the space of 8 years.

1. No ratings systems... ever... there are too many authors here with high hit counts (some I don't know WHY) that would bias the rating, and every website that uses a +/- or a like system ends up getting abused and going to hell in a handbasket.

2. See #1, particular the biasing from high hit counts, which would in turn FURTHER prevent new authors from getting readers

3. Interesting, but difficult to police because we mods would have to investigate every stories tags for content

Are far as quality going down? I've been seeing people say that ever since I first found this site! I do have some various thoughts, but it isn't appropriate to air them publicly or privately.


if that is true, there should be a section for true with fiction details or writer should say that at beginninf


If isn't 100% true, then it shouldn't be in the true stories section. Not remembering details is one thing, but once details are deliberately modified it belongs in the fictional section.
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Re: A thought

Postby SolidSnickerdoodle » Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:53 am

Stef wrote:I find really hard to believe the countless stories (usually written by the same person) actually happened, and i fail to understand why anyone would do that.

I'm going to say it's because total truth is not always interesting. Despite there being a section for writing about fantasies and hypothetical scenarios, there seems to be an attraction toward righting fictitious material in the "true" section.

Who's to say why this is the case? I'm thinking it gives them a sense of pride or fulfillment when somebody comments on their story and says something along the line of "Wow, you're so lucky, I'd kill for this t happen, blah blah blah...". Even though the author knows perfectly well that the events described never took place, they fell that by putting it in the true section, they are fudging the truth or expanding upon events that they wished had happened. I suppose one could delve into the psychology of maintaining false personas online, but I won't go into that.

Personally, I'd rather write a story that's boring and 100% true rather than one that's false or exaggerated. But that's just me.

Stef wrote:1. A rating system. Thumbs up or a "like" or a favorite?

I'm inclined to agree with AlexUSA on this one. If anything a rating system would just cause the problem of false stories to escalate in the name of winning internet points. There's already enough of that garbage on other sites.
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Re: A thought

Postby Stef » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:23 pm

First of all, thanks for the responses.

The reason behind these suggestions i posted are obvious; I'd love to read a story with some certain characteristics, and also, avoiding some others i don't like at all. I'm not too picky, but for example, i would avoid a story that includes pain/humiliation and i'd prefer reading something more innocent. And i'm sure many people would want something like that.

That's when tags might come in handy. It's all about personal preference. Sometimes it gets too far after reading one for a while, or it becomes very erotic or extreme and the idea of an "innocent" TUG loses it's essence. But that's just my opinion, i'm not forced to read anything of course! At least post stories in the right forums so people will know what they would except. Such as the cleverly made "How you you" thread.

About the sorting system, i thought about it more like an option. Like sort by name/author/views/replies and so on rather than being permanately sorted out in a certain way. Some kind of filtering when you don't want to read stories written by a cetain author for example.

In an attempt to find something interesting to read in the archives, you just start to lose interest after a while and that's the reason i also suggested a favorite system. Think about how many great stories there are there (in the archives). I don't have the time to read every single one of them, but i'd spend time reading the most liked ones. And the views don't mean anything as stated above.

My other concern is that i wouldn't want this site to become a porn site.

Back in the day, when i was younger (and a lurker), i learned a lot from here. Interesting ideas, tips and people with same interests and experiences. That made me feel more accepted as i discovered that with many people from around the world, we share interests and likes. That's what i would like to see in the general chat again, young people with concerns learning things and discussing with people who are more experienced on the matter. All i see lately is minors posting pictures of themselves and i hope it doesn't become something really disturbing in the future, so far at least, it's somewhat ok i guess. At least there's no nudity involved god forbid!

Maybe i'm taking this too serious, i don't know.
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And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
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Re: A thought

Postby AlexUSA » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:00 pm

If a story is in the wrong section, just report it and say what you think, and we'll check out and, if necessary, move it. We'll reap the consequences of a poster's anger if need be. It's our job.
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Re: A thought

Postby fluffymammal » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:08 pm

I've been reading this site for several years now and have only bothered interacting with users fairly recently (hence my relatively recent join date/low post count). There's definitely been an expansion of "adult" content.

I don't find it objectionable to have PG-17 content on this site. Many people enjoy combining TUGs with other elements as well, and I think that's fine so long as it's categorized properly. That being said, there is every so often a story that crosses the line, even for the PG-17 section. At what point, if any, is a story too much "other stuff" and not enough TUGs to belong on this site?

People writing fictional or "stretched"-truth stories in the True TUGs sections annoys me too, especially when it's obvious. If your story is actually true, it shouldn't matter how boring it is - reality often is a bit of a letdown, but readers should approach true stories with that caveat in mind. Also, that's what fiction is handy for.

This diversification has not only occurred in the PG-17 site. As an example (this is simply the first example I thought of, I don't mean to target the group of individuals interested in this alone), there have been a lot more sock/foot fetish pics in the TUGs talk section. I find nothing wrong with liking socks or feet, but maybe it should belong somewhere else (another section? another site?). This site is about TUGs, specifically, and due to the various aspects that often get mixed in with TUGs, it's very easy to lose that focus.

Definitely in favor of the rating and tag system. It would make sorting through stuff easier. However, it would probably require a fundamental overhaul of the site since I'm pretty sure phpBB doesn't support those features.

Re: A thought

Postby drawscore » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:53 pm

Many writers have become discouraged over lack of comments/feedback on their efforts. It is upsetting to some, to see 100-120 "views," and three comments. Good writing deserves encouragement. A lack of it, causes most of the good writers to quit.

Others are overly sensitive. They write a good story, but if there is the slightest criticism, even simple, constructive criticism, such as "Line space between paragraphs," they get all bent out of shape over it, and make no further attempts at writing. It's unfortunate.

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Re: A thought

Postby freyjaceleste862 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:38 am

Even if there are true stories, it isn't a direct desire to write word by word what happened. A) That may create boring stories. B) That may reveal too much of the person even though it's just an online forum with usernames but usernames can still reveal much of the person. C) No one likes to describe their sexual or non-sexual stories unless it is for something (money, blackmail, dead set erotic or adult fiction or close to adult fiction) writers) D) No one has the time and effort to write.
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Re: A thought

Postby MisterTheEdge » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:37 pm

Too many lurkers.
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Re: A thought

Postby xtc » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:11 am

I must agree heartily with what fluffymammal wrote except fr the bit a about rating stories for reasons that have been discussed elsewhere.
It is my opinion that there are to many irrelevant photos on the site in general. I wonder what other members think.
I know not all members will agree but I would be happier if the site focused more on stories than on the other aspects.
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Re: A thought

Postby fungirlkatie » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:13 am

I guess I am guilty of leaving out or making slight changes to my stories just to make them read better but never anything drastic enough to change the events. I've been on this site for a long time and I have come to the point where I am finding it difficult to write a more innocent story since most of my experiences now are of a more sexual nature and I don't want to write PG-17 stories.
I have also read some stories that strike me as being false for several reasons but I'm not about to point fingers considering my previous statement. I have also noticed that since the introduction of m/m, m/f, f/m, f/f sections my stories got less views compared to the stories that were just posted in the default section
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Re: A thought

Postby Dominik » Sat May 07, 2016 9:01 am

I don’t understand why some people make such a fuss about stories being ‘true’ or ‘fictional’.

What I’d call a really good story must be
- believable, that is (maybe more or less improbable, but) possible: it must be in accordance with medical, physical and other natural laws (i.e. no superheroes, no wizardry or sorcery, no “I was hogtied and gagged for three weeks” etc.); it is, however, o.k. for me to set up a scenario in which history, justice, and/or general opinions are a bit different to what we are used to,
- well written, and of course
- appealing to my personal preferences.
As long as these conditions apply, I definitely don’t care if it is true (with or without some ‘poetic licence’) or fictional.

Consequently – and also because I’m quite sure that in many, if not most, stories in the ‘true’ section the truth is more or less ‘polished up’ – I’d suggest we no longer separate ‘true’ and ‘fictional’ stories; it is completely sufficient that an author who insists that his (allright, allright ... or her :annoy: ) story is true places a short remark above it.

Re: A thought

Postby xtc » Sat May 07, 2016 9:05 am

I go with Dominik on that one!
Boxer shorts are cool,
but little speedos rule!

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Re: A thought

Postby Scottstud94 » Sun May 08, 2016 4:47 am

Delete the lurkers, make them sign up, post a minimum amount of times before we let them read