## Russian's And Americans

Post by .... » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:48 am

So... i'm in Russia Right now and its great... even though pepole often ask me my origins and i reply that i am french... and American too. even though i live in france i am franco-American as my dad was from the USA and that i was born there but my mother was french and i lived my childhood in france but still love american culture and stay tuned on everything that happends there no matter that the atlantic is between my two favorite contries.
but to come back to the main problem here it's that when i reply i'm american too peole tend to have a certain grin and say they dont like it verry much. i guess i can conceive that northern America and russia are archnemessis in the great book of history... its no real use to explain me that but i really though it was over...
but now that i think of it... my brother who him lives in the USA for years and has a full american patriotism refers to russians at the Reds and really dosent like them... and some pepole and artist's even talk about this comflict like the singer Sting who sings the song "Russian's"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs : link to his great song!
so yeah whats your opinion as i know many users are from northern america... personealy i think they are pretty nice even though they have made mistakes in the great book of history... but wich contry didn't right?

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Chris12 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:25 am

Not really from America but its alright because it seems Europe is more like Russia's main rival today whereas America is going to have China take the place traditionally held by Russia.
And I'm in quite the anti Russia mood for a year or so. They thoroughly tanked any credibility they had as a rational nation. I get the impression they have it out for the Dutch in particular too which isn't doing my opinion of them any favors.
I would like to visit one day though Not in the winter of course.

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Post by elusinius » Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:30 pm

I expect Vladimir Puto will not be ruler of Russia forever.
The day will come when he is retired a la Beria.
I do hope when that happens, the West will go out of its way
to engage them in a positive and friendly manner.

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by .... » Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:52 pm

well nobody likes the russians :3

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:35 pm

I correspond regularly with a gay man in Russia who wishes to move to America with his boyfriend because of the anti-gay bias people have there. I have also known people from Russia who were here in the USA temporary on student/work visas. They were some of the nicest people I have ever known; perhaps a bit too nice and trusting of people for their own good as one had bought a laptop, made the mistake of showing it around to people, and had it stolen from his room one night.
I think the problem is not the Russian people themselves but their leaders. After all, look at the negative impressions Europeans, mexicansm the Chinses and other folks must now have of us here in the USA because of idiots like Donald Trump running their mouths dissing people everywhere and making all Americans look like fools. Which maybe we are since he has so much support... a notion i find very much worrisome. Anyway, if it were not for Putin and his ilk I imagine Americans would like Russians a lot better.
After seeing so many car crash videos taking place in Russia though i sure as hell would never want to drive there!!!
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### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by .... » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:59 pm

its true! look at poutin! but hey driving isn't that bad here in Moscow... even though i pass most of my time walking yeah...

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Post by drawscore » Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:04 am

Strange but true: Russia is the US's nearest overseas neighbor. Just two miles and the International Date Line separate Big Diomede Island (Russia), and Little Diomede Island (Alaska, US).
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### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Jun 05, 2016 7:10 am

> drawscore wrote:Strange but true: Russia is the US's nearest overseas neighbor. Just two miles and the International Date Line separate Big Diomede Island (Russia), and Little Diomede Island (Alaska, US).
> Drawscore

Yes, but since the places where they meet are two of the most barren, remote, underpopulated stretches of wilderness in the Northern Hemisphere, it doesn't really count for much. This portion of the Bering Strait is hardly equivalent to, say, the English Channel or even the Rock of Gibraltar. Rather than like being two hands stretched toward each other in friendship, they're more like two booties bumping into each other as their owners bend down facing away from each other.
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### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by drawscore » Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:43 am

There must be something there. According to Google Earth, there's an airport on Little Diomede Island.
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Post by Jay Feely » Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:17 am

> Jason Toddman wrote:I correspond regularly with a gay man in Russia who wishes to move to America with his boyfriend because of the anti-gay bias people have there. I have also known people from Russia who were here in the USA temporary on student/work visas. They were some of the nicest people I have ever known; perhaps a bit too nice and trusting of people for their own good as one had bought a laptop, made the mistake of showing it around to people, and had it stolen from his room one night.
> I think the problem is not the Russian people themselves but their leaders. After all, look at the negative impressions Europeans, mexicansm the Chinses and other folks must now have of us here in the USA because of idiots like Donald Trump running their mouths dissing people everywhere and making all Americans look like fools. Which maybe we are since he has so much support... a notion i find very much worrisome. Anyway, if it were not for Putin and his ilk I imagine Americans would like Russians a lot better.
> After seeing so many car crash videos taking place in Russia though i sure as hell would never want to drive there!!!

China actually support Trump
You will have to subdue me to restrain me. I been a bad boy so make sure you torture me too with anything but pain.

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Jason Toddman » Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:35 am

Yeah. Many people say that's because they hope trump will trash our economy so much they will become the leading economic power instead.
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### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Jason Toddman » Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:43 am

> drawscore wrote:There must be something there. According to Google Earth, there's an airport on Little Diomede Island.
> Drawscore

I didn't say they were totally barren. But let's face it: there aren't a lot of people over there. And despite this geographical proximity the Americas were culturally isolated from the rest of the world (with only brief intermittent breaks most people of the time never knew about) until Columbus sailed in like he owned the place - after a long voyage to the other side of the continent from the opposite direction. No one even discovered the Bering Strait until many generations later! And the cultural rift between the two areas is still pretty wide except for the Inuits and other peoples that have always lived there. Virtually no one else ever goes there.
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### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by drawscore » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:01 pm

True There are probably listening posts or other intelligence gathering activities going on, and Big Diomede Island probably also has an airport, but the Russians won't let the Google Earth trucks come over and take pictures. Satellite images are about it.
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### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Jason Toddman » Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:25 am

Which only goes to show why most are unaware how close the two nations are geographically; because their populations centers are still thousands of miles apart.
Still don't get me wrong it was a valid point - technically anyway. And who knows? In the future, with climate change and population growth, this fact about geographical proximity may actually become very significant someday.
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### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by frank burns » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:20 pm

USA and Russia worked together during the last World war. United over a common cause (or need). That shows that they can work together. The question of differences between them is mainly just perceived. The USA is seen, in many counties, as an aggressor 'a nation looking for a war'. (that is a perceived observation) not necessarily my personal view. Russia, or USSR as it was, does seem to think that given a chance USA would 'go after them'
In simile: If the world was a school. then the USA is the kid that wants to be the school bully. Russia would be other hard nut.
Both these countries are beautiful places. If only the people and leaders of them could work together, think of what could be achieved. Go back and consider the 'Space Race', I wonder where we would be with space travel if they had combined their knowledge and minds. At the least we would have visited Mars long before now.
The differences between Russia and the USA?? Actually almost none. Both are fabulous countries; Both are terrified about being attacked; Both want their political views to be the only way.
The nations of the world should try to be less patriotic. When patriotism spreads into the realm of disdain to all others, then patriotism is lost, fear, then hatred, replaces it.
I am clearly from neither country, In fact I am in the UK, I am a VERY strong royalist, that makes me VERY patriotic to my country and my Queen, but it does not follow that I should dictate that every country follow my view. Everyone should be patriotic to their country but not to the point that it feeds fear and hatred. We all have the right to defend our own way of life, we do NOT have the right to try to impose it on others.
Lets not dwell on the differences between nations, Can we not look at what we can offer each other, look at what we have in common?
YHVH

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by frank burns » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:36 pm

Drawscore: You say.. the Russians won't let the Google Earth trucks come over and take pictures.
Well don't forget that the USA wont let Russians (or anyone) look over vast parts of the USA. Would it be ok by you if I brought over my camera and took a few pictures of the Cheyenne Mountain Complex or the Dulce Base. I somehow think that your FBI, NSA, D.A.R.P.A. and probably several other agencies would very soon take my camera.

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Post by misterg792000 » Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:49 am

That's a bit of an apples and watermelons comparison there. Google Street View of some depressed street in Vladivostok somewhere with some vodka-soaked yahoo passed out in the ditch ain't exactly a breach of national security.
Irrelevant anyway since there is in fact street view photography for much of European Russia.

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Chris12 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:05 am

> The USA is seen, in many counties, as an aggressor 'a nation looking for a war'. (that is a perceived observation) not necessarily my personal view. Russia, or USSR as it was, does seem to think that given a chance USA would 'go after them'

Its not a wrong observation of those countries but here's a food for thought. No one on this planet could stop America if it truly wanted to flex its muscles. If America wanted to invade, conquer and annex Iraq and Afghanistan they could do so. If they wanted to do the same to more respectable countries like France or Britain they could also do so.
America is playing far nicer then it has any need to do. Sure, they invade but that's general in the form of regime changes or temporarily military presence and them leaving again with a few bases to look after what they just left. That's not to bad. So far they haven't actually illegally invaded their neighbors and annexed land when that neighbor stopped dancing to their tune, or just occupied and oppressed neighbor for two centuries like mother Russia did.
America at least tries to behave legally, create an appearance of legality or at the very least act in consensus with the rest of the free world.
And speaking of trying! America being ''holier then thou'' may be a bit hypocritical. I don't think they care as much about Democracy or human rights as they claim to do. But they DO claim it and try to live up to that which is far more then China or Russia has ever done. And the thing America claims to stand for are actually pretty good. Even if they feel to live up to the meaning of their creed they at least try which is again, more then mother Russia or China do.
So I tend to roll my eyes a bit when mister Vladimir ''Lets invade Ukraine'' Putin talks about feeling threatened by America.

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by frank burns » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:54 pm

> Chris12 wrote:No one on this planet could stop America if it truly wanted to flex its muscles.

They didn't do so well in Vietnam. In fact I can't recall any conflict they have won on their own since the tactical withdrawal of the British.

> Chris12 wrote:Sure, they invade but that's general in the form of regime changes or temporarily military presence and them leaving again with a few bases to look after what they just left. That's not to bad

What??? Not too bad!! Really. They don't agree with how someone runs their own Country so the have the right to invade. Ergo If I don't like the new USA President after the elections, I must have the right to invade and leave behind my own Private Army based in The White House? After all thats not too bad is it?

> Chris12 wrote:So far they haven't actually illegally invaded their neighbors and annexed land when that neighbor stopped dancing to their tune

Err Cuba ?? Mexico ?? In fact The US Has Invaded 70 Nations Since 1776 (50 since 1945) – Ref: http...://www.countercurrents.org/polya050713.htm
(dots addeed to break the link. Not sure if links are allowed)

> Chris12 wrote:America is playing far nicer then it has any need to do

Does it really NEED to and is that NICE?

> Chris12 wrote:like mother Russia did

So in conclusion, as I said. The two are very similar
Now I sound anti-american. I don't mean to, but I couldn't leave your post unanswered and I can't really defend the British actions in our history either. Hopefully I can slide into oblivion again.
YHVH
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Post by .... » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:57 pm

Well i'm happy of creating an usefull topic !!

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Jason Toddman » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:58 pm

> Vixen Hero wrote:Well i'm happy of creating an usefull topic !!

Yeah. Thanks a heap.
Unfortunately, i have to agree that Frank Burns makes some valid points. And currently our election asks us to choose between a corrupt corporate shill who is also a known war hawk and a narcissistic airhead businessman with a thin skin and virtually no understanding of politics or diplomacy. The only man who was running for the job who would have tried to reverse some of our imperialistic policies now virtually has no chance of becoming president barring some extraordinary and unlikely catastrophe to at least one of the other remaining candidates.
Turnout is going to be very low this year... which is only good news for the republicans seeking to maintain their hold on Congress, and possibly regain the White House.
Dare to be different... and make a difference.
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### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by misterg792000 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:47 pm

> frank burns wrote:

> > Chris12 wrote:No one on this planet could stop America if it truly wanted to flex its muscles.

> They didn't do so well in Vietnam. In fact I can't recall any conflict they have won on their own since the tactical withdrawal of the British.

> frank burns wrote:Err Cuba ?? Mexico ?? In fact The US Has Invaded 70 Nations Since 1776 (50 since 1945) – Ref: http...://www.countercurrents.org/polya050713.htm
> (dots addeed to break the link. Not sure if links are allowed)

So the US is simultaneously a paper tiger that cannot win any conflict on their own...that invades, conquers, and annexes country after country. Yeah, makes sense.
Your link is also pretty laughable. The US invaded Libya in 1981? The Gulf of Sidra incident doesn't exactly constitute an invasion, since it occurred in international waters and was a direct response to Libyan aggression against American planes.
Saudi Arabia 1990-1991, Colombia 2002? Really?
"Against American citizens" is an invasion of...what, exactly. Los Angeles County? If that counts as an "invasion", shouldn't every post-disaster National Guard activation count?
The Berlin Crisis of 1961 and the Berlin Airlift (wtf) are "invasions", yet basing in Germany 1995-present isn't? Huh?
And that's only skimming this flailing nonsense, before you get into the rest of the nonsense on this site (PEAK OIL IS COMING, BUY GOLD BEFORE PEE COIL STRIKES)

> frank burns wrote:Now I sound anti-american. I don't mean to

Then perhaps you should actually find a credible source upon which to base your outrage. Turn off RT while you're at it.

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Chris12 » Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:10 am

> They didn't do so well in Vietnam. In fact I can't recall any conflict they have won on their own since the tactical withdrawal of the British.

I can't recall any of such conflicts either because America almost never comes alone. Because of their effort to have their actions seem legal or at least under international consensus America usually comes at the helm of a coalition, whether if was in Iraq in this century or Korea in the last.

> What??? Not too bad!! Really. They don't agree with how someone runs their own Country so the have the right to invade. Ergo If I don't like the new USA President after the elections, I must have the right to invade and leave behind my own Private Army based in The White House? After all thats not too bad is it?

First of all, yes, yes compared to the death camps and Gulag's of the Nazi's and Sovjets, the mass genocide and slavery of IS or the annexation of sovereign land its not to bad to ''merely'' have a regime chance or temporary presence. If you'd prefer a Stalin or Muslim fanatic approach then you're wrong.
And I'd like to see you try What would your casus beli be? America tends to have one when they do those things.

> Err Cuba ?? Mexico ?? In fact The US Has Invaded 70 Nations Since 1776

Why are you coming up with a list of invasions? The point is about Annexation and permanent conquest rather then invasions. America tends not to do it. When that invasions of Cuba happened they didn't came to conquer it and add its lands to the USA. They came to remove a communist regime. And the same time they did this the sovjets basically oppressed all of eastern Europe. A forced regime chance isn't pleasant but it looks better in comparison to that.
They did annex parts of Mexico though. Texas and Calafornia if I'm correct.

> So in conclusion, as I said. The two are very similar

The goals are similar, the methods not at all.

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Post by Jason Toddman » Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:12 am

> Chris12 wrote: They did annex parts of Mexico though. Texas and California if I'm correct.

Several other states were once part of Mexico too: New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado and parts of Kansas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming. Unfortunately back in those those the united states was a great believer in Hitler-style lebenstraum. Fortunately we had our fill of it by the close of the 19th century; else the Phillipines, Cuba, and various other acquisitions from the Spanish American war would also be states.
Mainly what stopped us was the same reason we didn't just take over all of Mexico; unlike most of the sates we took from Mexico, these places already had a well established and distributed population rather than a few small towns and villages and scattered small cities as California and and the other southwestern states did and we weren't willing to absorb/drive out so many other people at once. We could get away with it with the 'Indians' as we called native Americans back then because they were seen as savages and aggressors and therefore the enemy (much as many middle eastern muslims such as the Palestinians) are seen today), but there was just no way even the most passionate imperialist could rationalize colonizing the more developed parts of Mexico or other countries. It just wasn't our thing.
Unfortunately it was still in fashion in Europe (thanks to Kaiser Wilhelm and Adolph Hitler) for a while longer.
And some places like Israel are still doing it, and our acceptance of this is a large reason why terrorism exists. Not the sole reason by any means, but it doesn't help.
Dare to be different... and make a difference.
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### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by frank burns » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:48 pm

Oops, I seem to have opened a can of worms and dragged this thread away from the initial question. Sorry about that , I'll go and see if I can find the lid and put it back on.
BTW I don't listen to Russia Today (RT) and avoid Cable News Network (CNN) as well. I was NOT defending Russia, just saying that the USA and Russia are very similar in many aspects.
YHVH

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Jun 12, 2016 8:53 am

Right now Russia and the USA get along like water and sodium... namely the combination causes a rather violent chemical reaction.
Hopefully some day this won't be the case; perhaps when our leaders represent the common people and not just elite interests.
Dare to be different... and make a difference.
To boldly go where no one in their right mind has gone before...

### Re: Russians And Americans

Post by Jason Toddman » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:25 am

> Dustupjobm wrote:I dont know much differences between Canadians and Americans since I live so far away from Canada, I just know a few here and there. No wonder Americans hardly know much about Canadians.
> Well I heard Canadians spoke in english before, they sound the same as Americans. I dont see what makes them sound different.

Most Canadians speak English (with various accents of course) but the Canadian province of Quebec speaks mainly French. But other than officially still being a British possession (and a few minor policy differences such as Canadians having universal health care), there are not many differences between Canadians and 'Americans' at all. Culturally we are very similar.
Technically of course Canadians (and anyone in the western hemisphere for that matter) are Americans since the term represents the inhabitants of either of two entire continents and the adjacent islands, but United Statians just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Dare to be different... and make a difference.
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Post by da2443 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:16 pm

The cold war summed up in 10 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNbl62hL6Ps

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Post by SocksGagged » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:14 pm

Crazy I'm a ex US soldier and don't hate nor dislike the Russian people actually my current supervisor is Bulgarian and is a great guy. That being said I don't like Russian Politics but I don't like ours either haha. It's about to get worse for the US come November.
O well vodka anyone?

### Re: Russian's And Americans

Post by da2443 » Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:27 pm

> SocksGagged wrote:Crazy I'm a ex US soldier and don't hate nor dislike the Russian people actually my current supervisor is Bulgarian and is a great guy. That being said I don't like Russian Politics but I don't like ours either haha. It's about to get worse for the US come November.
> O well vodka anyone?

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