Guns

Postby drawscore » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:52 pm

Guns have only two enemies: Rust and politicians.

It’s always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not you.

Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arms length.

Never say, “I’ve got a gun.” If you need to use deadly force, the first sound they hear should be the safety clicking off.

The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes; the response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.

The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win – cheat if necessary.

Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets . . . You may get killed with your own gun, but he’ll have to beat you to death with it, because it’ll be empty.

If you’re in a gunfight:
--– If you’re not shooting, you should be loading.
--– If you’re not loading, you should be moving.
--– If you’re not moving, you’re dead.

In a life and death situation, do something . . . It may be wrong, but do something!

If you carry a gun, people call you paranoid. Nonsense! If you have a gun, what do you have to be paranoid about?

You can say ‘stop’ or ‘alto’ or any other word, but a large bore muzzle pointed at someone’s head is pretty much a universal language.

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Re: Guns

Postby Kyle » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:06 pm

I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment and the right to own a gun, but they aren't for everybody. If you can't pull the trigger if you get in this kind of situation you're really better off without one. Many criminals would back off when they see a gun but a lot will challenge you if you pull one out, and at that point it truly is a life-or-death situation, whether it was before or not, and if you can't bring yourself to shoot...well, hope your funeral is a good one.

Re: Guns

Postby Jack Roper » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:14 pm

Here is a "solution" to the issue of guns, from a conservative website.


Safe, Legal, and Rare: Why Not Guns, Too?

Posted by on Jul 12th, 2012 and filed under News from the Conservative Blogoshpere. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0. You can leave a response or trackback to this entry

Though he doesn’t realize it, President Obama has an idea that can bring the contentious gun control debate to an end, in a manner that should be satisfactory to all sides. His idea is “safe, legal, and rare.”

See the article here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/ ... s_too.html

Re: Guns

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:49 pm

Never needed a gun, and hopefully I never will.
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Re: Guns

Postby drawscore » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:39 pm

It is far better to have one and not need it, than to need one and not have it. I have a gun. Thankfully, I have never needed it, but it is there and ready, in case I ever do. I have been trained in the safe and prudent operation of firearms, and if the occasion ever arises, there will not be any hesitation. As I said, "It is better to be judged by 12, than to be carried by 6."

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Re: Guns

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:13 am

I am also experienced with a gun (I had a marksmanship ribbon when I was in the military), but I'd rather be shot or robbed than live with the guilt of killing someone (even an intruder) when it wasn't really necessary, and many homeowners who were shot at all were shot with their own guns. Screw that. I'll take my chances with my tire iron, baseball ball, large kitchen knife, or my knowledge of karate; whichever proves handiest at any such time (if ever) any are needed.
In any case, I don't recall that 'packing heat' was considered a virtue in the Bible. Isn't that what you conservatives are supposed to live by?
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Re: Guns

Postby skybird137 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:45 am

Guns have only two enemies: Rust and politicians


How does a metal object have an enemy?

That's like saying a house on Florida has an enemy = hurricanes, a house in the mid west has an enemy = tornadoes.

Ideals can have enemies: Freedom, Democracy, Justice.

Therefore, doesn't this mean a firearm has been turned into an ideal?
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Re: Guns

Postby Jay Candice » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:36 pm

I think the world would be better off without guns. But then again, people could just go around with knives killing each other. It would be harder, though.
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Re: Guns

Postby xtc » Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:41 pm

There are some civilised countries (e.g. GB) where there are relatively few guns and few deaths from firearms.
There are some civilised countries (e.g. Switzerland) where there are guns everywhere and few deaths from firearms.
There are some countries (e.g. the USA) where there are guns everywhere and frequent deaths from firearms. Go figure.
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Re: Guns

Postby skybird137 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:16 pm

I think the world would be better off without guns. But then again, people could just go around with knives killing each other. It would be harder, though.


In 1996, a young teacher called Lisa Potts protected her nursery school class from a machete-wielding madman and there were no fatalities, even though she suffered numerous injuries.
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Re: Guns

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:21 pm

skybird137 wrote: Therefore, doesn't this mean a firearm has been turned into an ideal?

That is indeed what some people have been doing. Which is of course one main reason this subject came up in the first place.
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Re: Guns

Postby drawscore » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:38 pm

>>>In 1996, a young teacher called Lisa Potts protected her nursery school class from a machete-wielding madman and there were no fatalities, even though she suffered numerous injuries.<<<

And she did it with what? Her good looks? Her brilliant arguments?

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Re: Guns

Postby drawscore » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:03 pm

A firearm is an inanimate object. Whether it is good or evil, is dependent on the individual using it.

Unlike Jason, I would have no problems sleeping, after I shot and killed an intruder into my home. You come in with the intention of robbing me, and/or doing me great bodily harm if I object, be prepared to get a .357 ball ammo bullet. And if you are still alive after the first shot, and I even THINK you present a threat, the second one is a hollow point round, and it will blow a hole in you big enough to drive a truck through. And I'm damn well not going to allow you to get within arm's length of me. I will shoot you. Three or four times if I think it's necessary. And I won't lose any sleep over it at all.

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Re: Guns

Postby mistofoleese » Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:46 pm

Figured i'd throw my two rounds this way. Ive been around firearms since I could walk. Pretty much everything from a single shot bolt action .22 rifle to large caliber Automatic weapons to Vehicle Mounted LARGER caliber weapons. my point is. Though I respect the fact not everyone like them EVERY ONE should learn how to behave around them what to do and not have them secure around little ones
Everyone can say Well lets see them try that in my home" I am telling you from first hand knowledge " truly hope" you never have to pull the trigger on another human being that action will stay with you for the rest of your life.

That being said teaching and training people the Correct way to fire a weapon can ALSO be an enjoyable thing as well not to mention down right comical
Case in point when you see the reaction of someone when they squeeze off a round of a weapon they have never fire before to the persons reaction when they get a piece of HOT BRASS down the front of their shirt Everyone Ive see that happen to has had the good sence to first put the weapon down THEN shake out their shirt.
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Re: Guns

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:00 pm

drawscore wrote:A firearm is an inanimate object. Whether it is good or evil, is dependent on the individual using it.

Unlike Jason, I would have no problems sleeping, after I shot and killed an intruder into my home. You come in with the intention of robbing me, and/or doing me great bodily harm if I object, be prepared to get a .357 ball ammo bullet. And if you are still alive after the first shot, and I even THINK you present a threat, the second one is a hollow point round, and it will blow a hole in you big enough to drive a truck through. And I'm damn well not going to allow you to get within arm's length of me. I will shoot you. Three or four times if I think it's necessary. And I won't lose any sleep over it at all.

Drawscore

You either have no conscience or have never been the direct cause of someone's death; hopefully the latter.
Believe me... if you'd ever shot someone deliberately for whatever reason, even self defense in war-time, you would NOT be talking like this. You may think it wouldn't matter to you, but unless you were already a cold-blooded gangsta killer, it would affect you far more than you probably realize regardless of all your tough talk.
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Re: Guns

Postby Games_Bond » Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:15 am

Don't get me wrong, if there's an intruder in my house and I have a gun in my hand, I have no problem going in gun blazing:
BANG BANG BANG! "Who is it?" BANG BANG
But will I have a gun in my hand? No. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. But guns make it a lot easier for people to kill people. My Grandfather fought in the Second World War against Germany and Italy (when they weren't on our side). Not once in that time did he fire his gun (except maybe on the practice range). If he could go six years in one of the biggest wars ever without using a gun, then I don't intend there ever being a time when I have to.
Truth of the matter is: guns = not my style. I have a similar philosophy to The Doctor. I do not carry weapons, and when in a jam, I will use wits and words to get out. I remember bullies running at me throwing stones, and I calmly walked up to them and warned them not to cross me. They didn't fancy their chances then and I haven't seen or heard from them in years.
Now, I'm sure drawscore will be the first to point out that's all very well, but there is a difference between stones and high velocity bullets. Indeed there is. The difference being I'd get the hell out of there. I would not be shooting, and I would not be loading, and therefore I will be f*****g moving :wink: And as for the warning, I'm sure drawscore will agree that anyone that uses deadly force towards you negates their right to a warning. That said, I have been known to give a deadly enemy a warning as well - I just had to send a message rather than deliver it in person.
In conclusion - I have to admit I am undecided on the issue of guns. I'm against them, and I don't think they do any good (if you use a gun for good, it is against someone who is using a gun for evil), but in so disclaiming I have to concede that there are occasions when guns are a necessary evil. Yet had they not been invented, more people would live.

Re: Guns

Postby Chris12 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:04 am

We don't have guns around here, at least not legally

To everyone who claims self defence is a good reason to own a gun: If you can legally buy a gun to defend yourself then that means those you mean to defend yourself against can get them just as easily. Also....do you really trust the general population to own guns, something like that makes things like school shootings that much easier to happen. I don't say its the cause but any socially mad student having access to firearms is NOT helping school safety at all.

Re: Guns

Postby drawscore » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:51 am

Consider this:

Are you a Democrat, Republican or Southerner?

Here is a little test that will help you decide. The answer can be found by posing the following question:

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you. You are carrying a Glock .40 caliber pistol, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

....................................................................

Democrat's/liberal's answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor! Or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? Should I call 911? Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior. This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for few days and try to come to a consensus.

Republican's Answer:

BANG!

Southerner's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click................
(sounds of reloading.) BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click.

Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the
Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?"

Son: "Can I shoot the next one?"

"Wife: You ain't taking that to the Taxidermist!"

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Re: Guns

Postby skybird137 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:21 am

I'm reminded of a story about the first World War, concerning a conscientious objector.

The officer asked the objector. "God man, what if they raped and shot your mother!"

The objector replied, "I would bury her....."




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Re: Guns

Postby Kyle » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:23 am

Chris12 wrote:We don't have guns around here, at least not legally

To everyone who claims self defence is a good reason to own a gun: If you can legally buy a gun to defend yourself then that means those you mean to defend yourself against can get them just as easily. Also....do you really trust the general population to own guns, something like that makes things like school shootings that much easier to happen. I don't say its the cause but any socially mad student having access to firearms is NOT helping school safety at all.


You know criminals are going to have guns anyway, right? Allowing law-abiding citizens to own them just helps even the odds. The majority of guns used in violent crimes in the United States were not obtained legally (I've heard over 95%, but I don't know exactly). Criminals aren't going to care whether or not the gun is legal.

Of course, the best method of self-defense is to stay alert and keep an eye out for criminals and basically use common sense. But that's not always going to protect you.

Re: Guns

Postby skybird137 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:37 am

>>>In 1996, a young teacher called Lisa Potts protected her nursery school class from a machete-wielding madman and there were no fatalities, even though she suffered numerous injuries.<<<

And she did it with what? Her good looks? Her brilliant arguments?

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She fought with her bare hands.

I pity you, Drawscore, to demean such a brave woman, with such a vile comment. The only reason I can come up with for you making such a comment is that you would have run, given that it seems that your courage comes out of a barrel.
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Re: Guns

Postby Games_Bond » Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:51 am

Sorry, Drawscore, but your "little test" is downright inferior. Here's why:

What you do in one situation does not define exactly who you are as a person and what your beliefs are. Especially if it is an extreme situation like your hypothetical scenario. And in so creating your little test, all you have done is concede the moral high ground to the Democrats. Asking questions first and then shooting will morally trump shooting first and asking questions later, even if it is less practical.

Besides which, put any Democrat into your hypothetical scenario and I guarantee those questions will not run through their head. There is plenty information to answer the question. The fact he's a terrorist has been granted, so the first three questions are irrelevant. The Democrat would not bother with "could we run away"; the man is attacking and has momentum. And certainly he will make sure himself and his family are safe and then wonder if he did the right thing, and debate. I know I am on the Democrat side, yet my answer is much closer to "BANG!" than it is to that torrent of questions.

This would be my answer:
BANG! BANG! A bullet through each knee-cap. Down he goes. He's in extreme agony and still alive, so he can be interrogated so we can find out who he is and are there any others planning attacks. Obviously I'd have no problem immobilising him before he got anywhere near us; I'm an expert shot remember. There you go, kids. That's how you handle a hostile situation without descending to the aggressor's level. Yes dear, you're right, he's not worth it. Let's just hand him over to the police and be on our way. By the way, I'd have the gun in my hand and ready to fire while he's still screaming obscenities.

If you really want to test if you are a Democrat, Republican or Southerner, answer the question:

"How do you feel about a second term for Obama?"

Democrat's Answer:
"Yes we can"

Republican's Answer:
"Haven't we done enough to discredit him yet?"

Southerner's Answer:
"A black guy? You can't have a black guy. He's all articulate and well spoken and he wears a suit and he's written two books; I aint never read a book in my life, I just play xbox all day long and eat cheetohs and beat my sister while I'm having sex with her 'cause my team lost..."

Disclaimer: Credit Mr Greg Proops for the Southerner's Answer, Mock the Week Series 6 Episode 8. I'm not saying all Southern Americans are actually like that :P

Re: Guns

Postby drawscore » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:31 am

I hope not, because I am southern. And I don't begrudge Obama as president because he's (half) black. I just think his policies of a porous southern border, cradle to grave government dependence, and he being the most secretive president since Nixon, are wrong, and bad for the country. The color of his skin is immaterial. Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and Harry Reid are also idiots, and all three of them are white.

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Re: Guns

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:22 pm

drawscore wrote:I hope not, because I am southern. Drawscore

Sure you don't. Because to admit that isn't politically correct is it? But I sincerely wonder how much flak Obama would get if HE were white. Still quite a lot I am sure - just as every other president has - but I'll bet it'd be more comparable to what previous presidents faced too, rather than some of the vile extremes many have gone through to make him look bad. Would anyone have suggested Bush's presidential library be made from an outhouse and gotten more laughs than condemnation out of it? I doubt it!
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Re: Guns

Postby Kyle » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:50 pm

There were quite a few people out there who openly called for Bush to be arrested and put in jail. While I have met people who do hold his race against him and don't think it's an entirely rare thing, I think a lot of the hate Obama gets really is a product of the increasing hostility and complete total loss of civility in politics in general. It doesn't help that some of Obama's supporters will immediately jump on any criticism of him as being a product of racism, which unfortunately has even occurred on this board a couple of times (not actually here). It's things like that which have made calls of "racist" about on the same level as the boy who cried wolf, where nobody even pays attention anymore, so that even actual cases of racism often get scoffed at by people who wouldn't otherwise. But that's probably a separate discussion.

Re: Guns

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:36 pm

Point taken Kyle - especially considering all the flak Bill Clinton got when HE was president because of Whitewater. But despite all that, AFAIK at least no one had the balls to call either one a liar right to his face or interrupt him in the middle of when he was talking. But you're right about the lack of civility thing too; civility seems to be a frikking lost art in this country now. Makes me wish I was back in Europe; people seemed a whole lot more polite than Americans when I was there - though it's possible I overly-romanticize my time there.
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Re: Guns

Postby Games_Bond » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:41 am

Some very good points there - if someone criticised Obama and their reason for doing so was race, they aren't exactly going to admit to it anyway, so what we are left with is political point-scoring, which is a massive thing in America. I have to admit that if I was American, I would be voting Democrat, not because I think Obama's record is great (because as far as this Brit sees it, it isn't - I aint letting him off with that BP comment just yet...), but because it's him or Republican and - well yeah, enough said.

I happen to think that Obama is not "the most secretive President since Nixon". Its just that his opponents demand proof for everything he's ever done - and to be fair, that hasn't happened with any other President. Neither Clinton nor Bush were constantly bombarded with "show us your birth certificate!" or "release your college records!" What's next? "Give me proof of what you ate at a restuarant you visited in [Insert City Here] in 1990. Show us the receipt!"

But anyway, guns. I happen to agree with xtc's post. Whenever the gun debate rises in America, everything goes back to the Bill of Rights - those who would do something can't do something because outlawing guns is a violation of constitutional rights. Okay, so fair enough, but what is never considered is that just because an American can own a gun, it doesn't mean they have to. Too many get down to their local gun store and buy one just because they can. Why? I know somebody who is legally entitled to pee in a policeman's helmet; she's never done THAT just because she can. Therefore, I reckon America would be better off if Americans were accepting of their right to own a gun, but abstained from actually doing so. Just a suggestion.

Re: Guns

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:18 am

I fully agree with you Games Bond... especially concerning the entire first paragraph. Despite what Drawscore seems to think, I am no fan of Obama's - it's just that I think conservatives of Romney's stripe are even worse. Hell, I voted for Reagan both times when he ran for president (surprise, Drawscore!) and actually would again if he were alive and had the same level of health he had before. He was not perfect, but he got sh*t done!
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Re: Guns

Postby mistofoleese » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:57 am

Jason Toddman wrote:I fully agree with you Games Bond... especially concerning the entire first paragraph. Despite what Drawscore seems to think, I am no fan of Obama's - it's just that I think conservatives of Romney's stripe are even worse. Hell, I voted for Reagan both times when he ran for president (surprise, Drawscore!) and actually would again if he were alive and had the same level of health he had before. He was not perfect, but he got sh*t done!


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Re: Guns

Postby skybird137 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:25 am

Just so long as he doesn't scare the Russians into thinking that he is going to start World War 3 against them.
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