Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby vantran » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:20 pm

in the US Military

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/06/06 ... -ep/194378

If you address the subject, you are a Khmer Rouge liberal.

Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:39 pm

Guy's a real douche, that's for sure.
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Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby drawscore » Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:56 am

Vantran, you are using Media Matters for America as a source, one of the most notoriously left wing organizations on the planet. They are so far to the left, they think Lenin was a saint, and would all vote for Josef Stalin and Adolf Hitler if there were "D's" next to their names on the ballot.

Media Matters is also almost as notorious as NBC News, for altering video, and taking quotes of those with whom they disagree, out of context.

Make sure you get information from sources a bit less partisan. West may or may not be a jerk, but regardless of political affiliation, if you are going to slam someone, do it with the truth, and not with propaganda generated by the lunatic fringes of both the left and right.

Drawscore

Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:39 am

Considering that you consider Fox News to be an unbiased news source Drawscore, your point isn't quite as strong as it would be if made by anyone else.
As for Hitler, he'd have been more likely to run as a Republican. Extremes in either direction tend to be just as bad as the other.
As for Allan West and the discussion we are referring to here, you can hear what was said here
http://allenwestrepublic.com/2013/06/05 ... -military/
taken from Allan West's own website here, which if anything sounds even worse than the article you diss.
http://allenwestrepublic.com/
I trust Drawscore that you can trust Allan West's own website to accurately reflect what Allan West says, yes?
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Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby drawscore » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:03 pm

Many equate Hitler with right wing, but conveniently forget that "Nazi" was German shorthand for "National SOCIALIST." as in "Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.

And I'll take Fox news over BSNBC any time. Fox at least has opposing points of view. When was the last time you, or anyone else, saw an opposing viewpoint on MSLSD?

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Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby Scottstud94 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:45 pm

drawscore wrote:Many equate Hitler with right wing, but conveniently forget that "Nazi" was German shorthand for "National SOCIALIST." as in "Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.

And I'll take Fox news over BSNBC any time. Fox at least has opposing points of view. When was the last time you, or anyone else, saw an opposing viewpoint on MSLSD?

Drawscore


Hitler was a fascist. He HATED communism.
Right wing.

Fox "News" is a joke. Simple.

Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby sarobah » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:37 pm

drawscore wrote:Many equate Hitler with right wing, but conveniently forget that "Nazi" was German shorthand for "National SOCIALIST." as in "Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.


Some time ago I swore off posting in “Jump in the Fire”section… but I cannot let this go.
Drawscore, I know you are not uneducated, so I don’t believe you are ignorant, just being deliberately disingenuous.

As anyone with a real knowledge of history is aware, Adolf Hitler added “national socialist” to the name of the German Workers Party in 1920, to unite the two competing factions of the right-wing militia groups whose support he was cultivating (and which became the SA), and to give the working class an alternative to the communists. In other words, it was a propaganda ploy.
Nevertheless, there was a strong anti-capitalist element within the Nazi party, led by the Strasser brothers. Gregor Strasser would become one of the most prominent victims of the 1934 “Night of the Long Knives” when Hitler threw off the pretence of anti-capitalism in appealing to the industrialists to finance rearmament.
To call Hitler a socialist is like calling North Korea the Democratic People's Republic.
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Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:54 pm

I notice Drawscore conveniently made no comment about the topic at hand - namely the West interview - after I posted a link to the actual video.
Still want to talk about altering video, DS?
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Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby drawscore » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:03 am

I never commented on Alan West's comments; just that BSLSD was a far left, lunatic fringe cable channel, and that Media Matters for America is an equally far left blog, both of which eschew opposing viewpoints, and have histories of manipulating quotes and slanting news. Go back and read my posts, and show me where I agreed with West.

I don't much care what he said. He's out of office, said he would not run again, and therefore, is of little consequence. If he was still in congress, I might pay more attention. There's already 435 idiots in the house, and another 100 in the senate, plus delegates from DC, Guam, Puerto Rico, etc. I have enough to do, to keep up with them, and don't need to worry about any former congressmen or women running off at the mouth, regardless of which side of the aisle they come from.

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Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:25 am

True, you didn't say anything direct about West, but your criticism of Vantran's posting from 'a far-left source' sure seemed to imply support of him - at least, to me. Also, I was NOT addressing your opinion of West himself, but the fact that though you criticized Vantran's source, it seems to me to have been quite accurate in its account about the interview itself... making your objection sound a tad silly. That's what I asked you about, not your opinion about West or that other fellow.
I might also point out that I heard no opposing viewpoints on the interview either. Furthermore, from my admittedly limited experience watching Fox News, whenever someone on Fox News like Bill O'Reilly DOES air opposing viewpoints, he usually either rudely cuts them off and talks over them before they can finish an entire sentence to argue his own viewpoint, denigrates them in some way, or simply blows them off. As for opposing views at the 'liberal' channels - which I watch even less than I do Fox News if anything - I HAVE heard opposing viewpoints there. The commentators might mock that viewpoint a bit, but overall they're more polite than guys than Bill O'Rielly.
In any case, the only times I watch any of this horse hockey is when I am stuck in a hospital waiting room somewhere or visiting someone watching that stuff - and thus where I can't change the blasted channel. Watching either Fox or MSNBC makes me glad I have NO TV at home!
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Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby vantran » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:46 am

Sigh so too almost all of you sexual assault is a political act.

Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby Fan_Of_Blindfolds » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:34 am

Not going to comment on the issue at hand without doing more reading, but I'd like to point out an irony here.

vantran wrote:If you address the subject, you are a Khmer Rouge liberal.

It sounds like this is a sarcastic retelling of the sorts of things his defenders say. In other words, you're saying that his defenders make blanket statements about anyone who attacks him. I'm not saying if they actually do or not; I'm going to do more research about the issue first.

vantran wrote:Sigh so too almost all of you sexual assault is a political act.

Now this is where things get ironic. Previously you'd said that his defenders make blunt, broad, unqualified accusations (calling people "Khemer Rouge liberals") about anyone who contradicts him. Now you're making a blunt, broad, unqualified accusation about anyone who contradicts you. Of course none of us think sexual assault is okay, or just a matter of politics (and if anyone does I would like to have a word with them); what some here are saying is that he might not have said/meant what his opponents are saying he said/meant. (Actually, it's more that we got into a discussion about whether or not certain news sources are trustworthy.) You didn't get the response you were hoping for - in fact, you got a fairly unrelated discussion, because that's how conversations work - so you threw out a rather unwarranted and untrue attack. Please don't do that.

Also please don't try to guess anything about my politics from this post. I know literally nothing about the issue and am objecting only to your rhetoric. I do this all the time, often to people I agree with, on all kinds of issues.

Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby Jason Toddman » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:51 am

vantran wrote:Sigh so too almost all of you sexual assault is a political act.

Personally Vantran, I find your blanket statements rather insulting. Even Drawscore for all his conservatism shows much more discretion and taste than that.
You posted this topic referencing a political news program ans quoting a politician. So what the bloody hell else did you expect?
You want it from a normal perspective? Fine. Sexual assault is wrong, in or out of the miltary, regardless of who is involved.
Well, DUH! Like we didn't already all know that!!!
So what do you want from us? Statement s saying every guy in the military is a sex-crazed rapist? Ain't going to happen. I spent four years in the military. I met some jerks of course, but knew some very fine people too.
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Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby vantran » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:15 am

Feel whatever you like

Re: Alan West says its ok to have sexual assault

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:19 pm

vantran wrote:Feel whatever you like

Thank you for your...ummm... kind permission. :roll:
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