Trump and consensual sex

Postby Jack Roper » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:32 pm

Donald Trump (and Newt Gingrich) seem to have a problem with the notion of consensual sex, as witness last nights confrontation between Newt and Megyn Kelly on Fox "News", and Trump's congratulations to Newt today on that food fight.

Here is an interesting editorial comment from the New York Times today.

Newt Gingrich’s Strange Fascination With Sex
By ANNA NORTHOCT. 26, 2016

If you’re concerned about the assault allegations against Donald Trump, are you “fascinated with sex”?

That’s the claim Newt Gingrich seemed to make on Tuesday night, when he accused Megyn Kelly and Fox News of covering the allegations too aggressively and ignoring the issue of Hillary Clinton’s speeches.

“You want to go back through the tapes of your show recently?” he asked. “You are fascinated with sex and you don’t care about public policy.”

Mr. Gingrich tried to deflect Ms. Kelly’s questions by casting them as part of a prurient obsession, rather than a serious attempt to find out whether Mr. Trump used his position of power to harass and assault women.

Mr. Gingrich wasn’t the first to use accusations of sex obsession as a distraction technique. Ted Cruz did the same last year when asked about his opposition to same-sex marriage. “Is there something about the left — and I am going to put the media in this category — that is obsessed with sex?” Mr. Cruz asked after taking questions on gay rights from reporters in Beaumont, Tex. For both Mr. Cruz and Mr. Gingrich, painting opponents as perverts is a way to avoid discussing same-sex marriage or the allegations against Mr. Trump.

Someone who seems to take a different tack is, oddly enough, Rush Limbaugh. He responded to the accusations against Mr. Trump earlier this month, saying, “The left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent.”

“If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it’s perfectly fine,” he went on. “But if the left ever senses and smells that there’s no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police.”

Think about that — for Mr. Limbaugh, the problem with the left is a focus on consent. Well, he’s right. Many on the left are obsessed with consent when it comes to sex. Many believe that if someone commits a sex act that’s non-consensual, that’s a crime — possibly a matter for the “rape police,” or, you know, the police.

Voters, too, appear pretty concerned about consent. Mr. Trump’s poll numbers have dropped significantly since the release of the “Access Hollywood” tape earlier this month. And for many Americans, it’s not Mr. Trump’s “locker room talk” that’s the problem — it’s the way he described grabbing and kissing women apparently without their consent.

Though he claimed on Tuesday night not to believe the polls, Mr. Gingrich knows exactly how badly Mr. Trump’s taped comments and the accusations by women over the last few weeks have hurt the candidate. Maybe that’s why he quickly shifted gears to talk about Bill Clinton’s history with women — because he knows that Americans do, in fact, care whether their leaders assault women.

It’s worth asking whether voters should have responded differently to harassment and assault allegations against Mr. Clinton when they first came to light. But as Ms. Kelly pointed out, Mr. Clinton isn’t running for president right now — Donald Trump is. And he’s running in a country where, perhaps more so than ever, the public understands that consent matters.

Trump’s surrogates understand this, which is why they’re all trying to minimize the allegations against their candidate the best they can.

There’s one person, however, who really doesn’t get it. “Congratulations, Newt, on last night,” said Donald Trump at an event on Wednesday. “That was an amazing interview.”

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby Rachel M » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:44 am

Jack Roper wrote:“If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it’s perfectly fine,” he went on. “But if the left ever senses and smells that there’s no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police.”


...no, here come the *police*-police because you just raped someone.

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby Jack Roper » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:23 pm

Actually, that was a quote from Rush Limbaugh, contained in the article. And I agree, if there is no consent sexually then it is rape, and the Police are warranted. If Trump were a "nobody" he probably would have been tried and convicted on one of these 12 (now) allegations of sexual predation. It pays to be rich, I guess.

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby Rachel M » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:25 pm

Jack Roper wrote:Actually, that was a quote from Rush Limbaugh, contained in the article.


Oh, I know. I wasn't pointing the finger at you.

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby Bluebarnowl » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:21 pm

You do realize that he "rape charge" against him had been dropped almost immediately after he was declared the victor of the election, right? This leads to me believing that it was faked.

And also, Bill Clinton's victims were silenced by his wife, who was running for president. She destroyed their reputations and harassed them into silence. Also, research "Clinton's Orgy Island" and PizzaGate.

Also, did you know it was the Democratic party that created the KKK? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby Rachel M » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:45 pm

Bluebarnowl wrote:You do realize that he "rape charge" against him had been dropped almost immediately after he was declared the victor of the election, right? This leads to me believing that it was faked.


It was dropped before the election due to the massive amount of death threats against the defendant.

Bluebarnowl wrote:Also, research "Clinton's Orgy Island" and PizzaGate.


You do realize both of these conspiracy theories were made up whole cloth, yes? Let me guess, 9/11 was also an inside job.

Bluebarnowl wrote:Also, did you know it was the Democratic party that created the KKK? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan


Did you know that neither party "created" the KKK and trying to project the modern parties on events of 150 years ago is silly, especially given the mass exodus by southern whites to the Republican party after the civil rights act of 1964?

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby Bluebarnowl » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:54 am

Rachel M wrote:
Bluebarnowl wrote:You do realize that he "rape charge" against him had been dropped almost immediately after he was declared the victor of the election, right? This leads to me believing that it was faked.


It was dropped before the election due to the massive amount of death threats against the defendant.

Bluebarnowl wrote:Also, research "Clinton's Orgy Island" and PizzaGate.


You do realize both of these conspiracy theories were made up whole cloth, yes? Let me guess, 9/11 was also an inside job.

Bluebarnowl wrote:Also, did you know it was the Democratic party that created the KKK? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan


Did you know that neither party "created" the KKK and trying to project the modern parties on events of 150 years ago is silly, especially given the mass exodus by southern whites to the Republican party after the civil rights act of 1964?


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/d ... ped-230770 Read all the ay through about the more recent one.

And no, those are not conspiracies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_zTaruGkHs
And: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suDHJDX90zE

And no, my uncle was in 9/11. I don't believe that terrorism is caused by our own government, when it was evidently by actual terrorists who want to kill us all.

And yes actually, the Democrats DID create the KKK, you would've known that, had you read the site I gave you.

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby wataru14 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:43 am

Whether the Democratic Party created the KKK or not, it was 150 years ago and the party platform is completely different now. Saying the modern Democratic Party is somehow responsible for that is like modern Republicans trying to claim credit for Lincoln freeing the slaves. Parties do shift political positions over time, mmmkay?

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby alex967 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:03 am

I read the Wikipedia article and it doesn't says that the Democratic Party created the kkk, it does says that mainly southern democrats joined the klan and that it also attracted republicans and was opposed by northern democrats but never says that the whole party supported it

As for pizzagate please give us a reliable source of information (and Alex Jones is not a reliable source of information)

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby Rachel M » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:13 am

Bluebarnowl wrote:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770 Read all the ay through about the more recent one.


Check your date.

Bluebarnowl wrote:And no, those are not conspiracies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_zTaruGkHs
And: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suDHJDX90zE


Yes, they are. The fact that you're citing Alex Jones of all people, he of "9/11/Sandy Hook/Boston/etc were false flags and inside jobs" fame would be very funny if you weren't serious about it. If you can't trust the fringe conspiracy nut who's been claiming we'll all be in FEMA concentration camps Any Day Now for the last 25 years, who can you trust?

Bluebarnowl wrote:And yes actually, the Democrats DID create the KKK, you would've known that, had you read the site I gave you.


Yeah, no. At no point did any political party say "let's create the KKK", and even if they did you don't get to ignore the century and a half of history inbetween.

Re: Trump and consensual sex

Postby Rachel M » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:33 am

Oh, lookie here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/loc ... dd27041446

You InfoWars nuts are going to get someone killed.