## Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by haloguy » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:00 am

early this morning, the polish president, his wife, and at least 90 other military and civilian leaders were killed while attempting to land in heavy fog. They were landing in russia to commemorate a massacre of thousands of polish officers. They flew in a soviet era outdated plane that was considered being replaced by newer models, but the polish government lacked funding.
I feel for the polish, and may this not lead to more tensions between the polish and russians.

### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by anjell » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:41 am

This is indeed sad news and I feel for their loved ones, and hope for the best.
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### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by Spreadeagle » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:11 am

Awful news, thoughts go out to their families, but i cant stop thinking russia had something to do with it
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### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by Nuclearo » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:53 am

Yeah, i know it's very conspiracy freak, but I can't shake the idea that when it's someone of this high a profile it's not a plane accident. Especially since I read his opinions weren't quite on par with Russia's. So to all the Polish people, and mostly the families of the victims, I am very sorry for your loss. May their souls rest in peace.
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### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by Boundgal08 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:23 am

Yes my thoughts go out to the families of the people that were killed.
It is awful news...
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### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by haloguy » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:41 am

hmmmm, yes, the chances of dying in a plane are, what, 1 in 20,000,000? and while he was on his way to a memorial service, it seems fishy, maybe those russian terrorists that bombed the subway a few weeks ago?

### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by dreadnaught3200 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:07 pm

I think basically everyone is thinking the same thing "Man, I hope this was an accident". How often does almost the entire upper echelon of a Government get on the same plane? Especially when they're on their way to the seventieth memorial of the Katyn massacre, remembered as one of the worst tragedies in Polish history? This is just a little too perfect.
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### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by Boundgal08 » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:33 am

> haloguy wrote:hmmmm, yes, the chances of dying in a plane are, what, 1 in 20,000,000? and while he was on his way to a memorial service, it seems fishy, maybe those russian terrorists that bombed the subway a few weeks ago?

You obviously have not read the report, the plane they used was an old plane, they were meant to upgrade them to new ones, but could not afford them, and so they all travelled with this plane. I cannot begin to believe people are throwing out accusations this was a terror attack, if you read the evidence given to you, instead of jumping to these conclusions, you'd find the truth.
And that statistic there, I don't believe for one minute its true, unless you have proof.
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### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by Male shortstied » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:46 am

My heart & Condolences go out to the families & the people of poland.

### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by haloguy » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:53 pm

> Boundgal08 wrote:

> > haloguy wrote:hmmmm, yes, the chances of dying in a plane are, what, 1 in 20,000,000? and while he was on his way to a memorial service, it seems fishy, maybe those russian terrorists that bombed the subway a few weeks ago?

> You obviously have not read the report, the plane they used was an old plane, they were meant to upgrade them to new ones, but could not afford them, and so they all travelled with this plane. I cannot begin to believe people are throwing out accusations this was a terror attack, if you read the evidence given to you, instead of jumping to these conclusions, you'd find the truth.
> And that statistic there, I don't believe for one minute its true, unless you have proof.
> Cheers,
> BG

no boundgal, I have read the report, but that was the first account and speculation on what took it down, they are still invenstgating

### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by Boundgal08 » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:02 pm

> haloguy wrote:

> > Boundgal08 wrote:

> > > haloguy wrote:hmmmm, yes, the chances of dying in a plane are, what, 1 in 20,000,000? and while he was on his way to a memorial service, it seems fishy, maybe those russian terrorists that bombed the subway a few weeks ago?

> > You obviously have not read the report, the plane they used was an old plane, they were meant to upgrade them to new ones, but could not afford them, and so they all travelled with this plane. I cannot begin to believe people are throwing out accusations this was a terror attack, if you read the evidence given to you, instead of jumping to these conclusions, you'd find the truth.
> > And that statistic there, I don't believe for one minute its true, unless you have proof.
> > Cheers,
> > BG

> no boundgal, I have read the report, but that was the first account and speculation on what took it down, they are still invenstgating

Yes and as far as I'm aware that is the only account available, so until there is hard ground evidence that this was a terror attack, don't say it could/was!
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### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by Nuclearo » Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:35 pm

Well, you can say it could have been if there's no final report. I personally wouldn't call this "terror", but whatever. The point is like this: the plane really was old, but there's also the pilot side. Air control told them to reroute to a better conditioned airport, but they didn't. Besides, I doubt even Poland is so poor they can't secure 1 non-decaying plane to transport their leaders. It's not the public safety matter of replacing all of them. Some cities in Israel don't have adequate civilian bomb shelters for their population, that doesn't mean the government doesn't have a nice big bunker for themselves.
All I'm saying is this smells a bit fishy. Could be a hit, a concentration of human incompetence or just one big stroke of bad luck. Let's just let the dead rest in peace and their loved ones mourn their loss. We can all find holes in the official version once it's published.
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### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by Fesselfan » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:31 am

As far as I know, the plane was around 20 years old. Which is not terribly new, but not terribly old, either. At the end of last year, the jet had a massive overhaul- meaning technical wise, it should have been in a very good condition at the time of the crash.
The type of plane is known as a reliable model- it's accident rate is lower than the comparable boeing 737 of the same age.
The plane crashed on the 4th attempt of landing on that aiport- the three before already had to be aborted. Which strongly hints at the pilots decision to land there, despite air controls warnings, was simply wrong.
Sight was bad that day with reduced visibility- plus, AFAIK the ILS (Instrument Landing system) on the plane was incompatible with the one installed at the airport.
Time will tell..it's too early to really tell what the cause really was.
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### Re: Polish President and at least 90 others killed

Post by squirrel » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:06 am

I doubt it was an accident. Too many strange things has happened since 10.04.2012. All those lies about the pilots, drunk general, controlers in Russia... and the records from the frlight recorders have been manipulated, which was admitted even by the Russians and the Polish ( really Polish???? ) government.