Native Americans

Postby myself1931 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:50 pm

Now, before I start, let me just say that I am not a racist, I harbor no racism towards Native Americans or anyone for that matter.

However, I believe it is time for them to stop their whining and bit**ing. Yes they were mistreated, Yes they were cheated from their land, Yes they were forced into residential schools, but really, how much do they want in the way of an apology. The federal government (Im Canadian) has given numerous apologies, the provincial governments have given numerous apologies, so why do they keep bit**ing? What, do they want MORE money? More special rights, more apologies? Chinese people were brought over to work sentimentally as slave labors, do you see Chinese people complaining? NO, you don't. A ship called the MS St. Louis carried over 900 jews around the Atlantic looking for refugee before WW2, but they were turned away from Canada, and most later died in Europe. Do you see Jewish people complaining? NO!!

So, what makes Natives special? NOTHING!! If they can't suck it up and move on 100's of years later, then too bad. I don't care what you do, as long as you stop crying about how horribly they were mistreated. At least they get money from the government, something I am sure many regular people would love right now. So, stop your bit**ing, grow up, and shut up.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby soka1 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:56 pm

They are still treated special in my opinion, when they are regular people. The government has gone phsycho once again!! What's new? But if you do something on one side in people, you should do it to the other side as well. Just as the saying:"treat others as I would like to be treated." And in this case, it means equal people,which the government claims they want, but are acting not just with no actions, but with helping in the opposite way.

Re: Native Americans

Postby OGgrl93 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:57 pm

The government is trying to sweep everything under the rug. Way back in the 1800's they wanted some land in the south the Natives occupied. The House of Representives passed a bill saying that they don't have to move. It was their land. They were here first. Jackson didn't care what they said. Thus the Trail of Tears. It hits home for me because Cherokee runs in my blood. I cling to anything Native about my ancestory. Natives were and still are beautiful people. They work with nature and the land, not against it. I get what your saying, but how would you feel if like people from China(not racist, China's close to California. Just chose a foreign country) can and started kicking us out for our land and hearding you into reserves when it was your land to begin with? One of my friends is the great great great grand daughter of Cheif Red Cloud. But because he was killed, they family lost the title. We stole land, lives and freedom from them, they have every right to be upset.

Re: Native Americans

Postby myself1931 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:27 pm

Im not denying them the right to be upset, but first off, I'm talking from a Canadian perspective. Although we chased them from their lands, we also work with them. It is thanks to the Native Americans that Canada is the country it is today. However, I have no sympathy for people who get money from the governments as a "We are sorry" gesture, and then spend the money on alcohol. My uncle works with Natives while fighting forest fires. The drinking problem among Natives is so bad that they steal hand sanitizer for the alcohol in it. These are the same people who complain about living in poverty, and that the government should do more to help? Well, suck it up. You brought your situation on yourself. Its not our problem anymore.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Kyle » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:33 pm

OGgrl93 wrote:The government is trying to sweep everything under the rug. Way back in the 1800's they wanted some land in the south the Natives occupied. The House of Representives passed a bill saying that they don't have to move. It was their land. They were here first. Jackson didn't care what they said. Thus the Trail of Tears. It hits home for me because Cherokee runs in my blood. I cling to anything Native about my ancestory. Natives were and still are beautiful people. They work with nature and the land, not against it. I get what your saying, but how would you feel if like people from China(not racist, China's close to California. Just chose a foreign country) can and started kicking us out for our land and hearding you into reserves when it was your land to begin with? One of my friends is the great great great grand daughter of Cheif Red Cloud. But because he was killed, they family lost the title. We stole land, lives and freedom from them, they have every right to be upset.


I'm not going to deny they had some terrible things done to them. But at some point you have to realize these things were done to people in the past. Nobody today has had their land taken from them. If we all looked into our pasts we've probably all had ancestors who've had bad things done to them. When do the grudges end?

If they have issues that are occurring today--and make no mistake about it, they do-- then they need to be addressed. While we should never forget bad things done in the past, they did occur in the past, to people who are no longer around. Work with what you have now. Let's face it, history is full of people doing bad things to each other. There's no sense in trying to punish people for what somebody did long before any of us were even thought of.

Re: Native Americans

Postby OGgrl93 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:21 pm

I totally get what you're saying and all. It's just, I live in Nebraska, and a lot of tribes occupied that land we live on. It's cool because a lot of cities here are named after tribes. The thing I hate is that land is "tainted" in a sense. The beautiful landscape I get to see everyday was stolen. Now, I know it's all past and such, and Natives do have the right to bear a grudge to an extent. There is a point where it's crossing the line. I guess it's the fact that we pride ourselves with becoming this great nation by ourselves. Well, the did help teach us how to farm this land, and befriended us. I can go on forever, I like debeating. lol But we'll stop there. Anyone who's commented here are right. It is a very contraversial thing. Oh, and the booze thing, yeah they try to get booze any possible way you can, but there is a reason. We studied about this a lil in my family issues class last year. Apparentally Natives have something in their body that helps add to becoming an alcholic. It makes it easiser to get addicted. There's more to it, I can't think of it off the top of my head so just google it if you want to know more. I'm not justifying them being drunk. No one has a right to be a drunk. You shouldn't rely on booze to solve your problems. But that's why there are so many Native drunks. They're more suseptable to being addicted. But that just means they need to fight that much harder to not become an alcholic.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby dreadnaught3200 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:18 am

I'm with Why and Kyle on this one. I'm really fed up with the hypocrisy of the Canadian Governments native policies and the hypocrisy of the people benefitting from it. Now before I say anything else, I have Iroquois ancestry myself, not a whole lot mind you. But I really don't see why that should make me special in any way. As far as I'm concerned the generation of natives living in Canada today are living almost entirely on taxpayers money, aka my money. And to be perfectly frank I'm sick of paying blood money for something my ancestors did.

Like the rest of you, I'm aware of the atrocities that were carried out by white settlers on North America's natives. Truly terrible things were done to them. However, those days are most decidedly over. Yes my ancestors stole land from their ancestors, but for God's sake we're talking about our ANCESTORS here. Very few residential school victims are alive today. For those unfortunate souls who were sent to the residential schools, I think compensation is due. But why exactly should I be paying out to their grandchildren and their great-grandchildren?

You know what pisses me off more than anything else? Every now and again I'll see native people protesting on the news, usually wanting more money, and one of them will always say "We just want to be treated equally." Really guys? Really? With all the benefits and compensation they get, I think it's fair to say that they are more than equal citizens, they're privileged citizens. I have nothing against the average native person. As far as I see it they are welcome in Canadian society, just like everybody else. But they refuse to be a part of the multi-cultural fabric of Canada and stay separate and still somehow expect us to pay the bill. How does that make any sense?
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Re: Native Americans

Postby markusthe1st » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:31 pm

You should take a drive through a native American reservation here in the Southwest before you pass judgement. They say, "Sure, you can have some land," and then give them a spot far away from the city in the desert where there's no water or development at all.

I've seen it. It is not pretty.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Amagi420 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:52 pm

one of the big problems for me is is the fact that this was several genorations ago. As in no LVING Canadian did harm (in the historical context) to any native. All of the people involved on both sides are DEAD so why are we, the fucking great great grand children of these two parties STILL having issues here. It was our Great great grandparents that stole the land from there great great grandparents and nether of us would likely be here if it happened any differently so get over it and stop fussing over other (DEAD) peoples issues.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Amagi420 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:55 pm

markusthe1st wrote:You should take a drive through a native American reservation here in the Southwest before you pass judgement. They say, "Sure, you can have some land," and then give them a spot far away from the city in the desert where there's no water or development at all.

I've seen it. It is not pretty.


As far as this is concerned i have no pity. Why is it our responsibility to ensure good living conditions for people who refuse to be seen as part of Canada? No one is forcing people to live there and no one is forcing the the people on the reserves to keep them in squaller so as far as im concerned theres no case there whatsoever. I refuse to be held accountable for the actions of some long dead ancestor of mine.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:55 am

If the disgusting lack of empathy I am reading on this thread for those of another culture is typical of people in general, then it's no wonder that Native Americans are complaining. In some regions, Native Americans are treated as badly as blacks ever were in Mississippi. Indians were massacred by the thousands in the past and the rest forced to live in small reservations in land no one else wanted for generations... by people who were equally as contemptuous of their rights as you all seem to be. White folks living now don't have to live with the consequences of those actions... but the Native Americans living now DO!
Native Americans are of course not he only ones who have historically suffered at the hands of whites. Blacks were brought here as slaves, but at least their descendents today are generally better off now in America than they'd be still living in *their* ancestral homelands. They can even go back to Africa and live in the same culture more or less) their ancestors did if they choose - though I'm sure few blacks actually make *that* choice considering the political situation and quality of life there.
Dissatisfied Native Americans have nowhere to go except to poverty-stricken reservations and lack the opportunities most other Americans take for granted to make their lives better without totally abandoning their own culture and way of life. If whites were a small, disunited, impoverised minority and had to live among others of a different race and culture (and all but abandon their own) to get ahead in life, how many would chosose to do so? Not TOO many, I'll wager.
So for God's Sake people, show a *little* compassion! Your selfish gripes about Native Americans disgusts the Hell out of me!
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Amagi420 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:06 pm

Oh get off you high horse. I refuse to be labeled as an ass because I won't take responsibility or that actions of other long dead persons who happened to have white skin. I've committed no misdeeds to anyone of another color skin and I will not be told that I owe these people anything because my great grandparents did bad thing to there great grand parents. Native americans have an absean ammount of "compinsation" as is, free education, no taxes, no need to purchas hunting or fishing licenses, government compinsation in the form of funding for reserves, etc. as a tax payer that comes out of my pocket and goes into there's. So forgive me for being a little pissed.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:32 pm

bookboy15 wrote:Oh get off you high horse. I refuse to be labeled as an ass because I won't take responsibility or that actions of other long dead persons who happened to have white skin. I've committed no misdeeds to anyone of another color skin and I will not be told that I owe these people anything because my great grandparents did bad thing to there great grand parents. Native americans have an absean ammount of "compinsation" as is, free education, no taxes, no need to purchas hunting or fishing licenses, government compinsation in the form of funding for reserves, etc. as a tax payer that comes out of my pocket and goes into there's. So forgive me for being a little pissed.

No one's asking you to take personal responsibility. Just to show a little understanding (sounds like compassion might be too much to hope for) for their point of view. Big difference.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby myself1931 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:12 pm

Jason Toddman wrote:
bookboy15 wrote:Oh get off you high horse. I refuse to be labeled as an ass because I won't take responsibility or that actions of other long dead persons who happened to have white skin. I've committed no misdeeds to anyone of another color skin and I will not be told that I owe these people anything because my great grandparents did bad thing to there great grand parents. Native americans have an absean ammount of "compinsation" as is, free education, no taxes, no need to purchas hunting or fishing licenses, government compinsation in the form of funding for reserves, etc. as a tax payer that comes out of my pocket and goes into there's. So forgive me for being a little pissed.

No one's asking you to take personal responsibility. Just to show a little understanding (sounds like compassion might be too much to hope for) for their point of view. Big difference.


Its not that we don't have compassion for them, its more that we dont enjoy being told we must pay for the crimes of our forefathers. If this was true, the Catholic church would have trillions in damages to pay to most of Europe. I completely understand why they are angry, but eventually we have to say enough is enough. Even people on welfare eventually get cut off if they don't try to better their situation. The native reserves that actually care manage to do pretty well. Its the ones that don't that you hear about.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:25 pm

From what I've heard, Canada has had a much more enlightened policy concerning Native Americans than the United States has had. And though I don't claim that Native Americans are not also at least partly responsible for the conditions that they face, I am simply pointing out that most whites would fare no better were they to endure the same social and economic disadvantages most Native Americans have had to endure. Those Native Americans who manage to better themselves in our Society (getting a college education and a good job) have often had to change their entire way of life - and often are treated shamefully by others (including other Native Americans) regardless of what they do - in the process. That's a price many other whites (or even many blacks) could not even imagine having to pay themselves. Even when they do well for themselves, Native Americans endure racism in some places that is just as bad as anything black people have ever faced in the South in the same era. I just think things like this should be taken into account; that's all.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Amagi420 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:38 pm

One of my close frends from highschool was native his holl family lived on a reserve and not a particularly good one. One of the reasons I have little simpathy here is he had no problem getting into uni. He got the same education as me up to grade 12 and the differance is he isn't paying for his university.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby drawscore » Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:12 pm

I'm an American, and I love my country. But my government scares the hell out of me. ABO (Anybody But Obama) 2012.

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Re: Native Americans

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:58 pm

drawscore wrote:I'm an American, and I love my country. But my government scares the hell out of me. ABO (Anybody But Obama) 2012.

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I could agree with the ABO if it wasn't for the sorry lot of idiots running against him. If it's Obama or one of them (Perry, Gingrinch, Ron Paul, Romney, or that Santorum moron), I'll go with Obama. But only because of who's running against him. Even if it was Moe from the Three Stooges who was running, I'd vote for him over Obama. But the current contenders make even the Three Stooges look like genuises as far as I'm concerned! About the only saving grace is that apparently we don't have Sarah Palin in the mix as well! If she ran and (somehow) won, I'd move to Canada or Australia rather than live in a country she ran (even deeper into the ground).
Now if we were talking about someone like Teddy Roosevelt... or even Ronald Reagan... then I'd vote Republican! But not for any of the idiots actually running!
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Re: Native Americans

Postby drawscore » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:19 am

Well, that's fine. Of course, if Obama gets a second term, we'll be living under Obama's 9-9-9 plan: Gasoline for $9.99 a gallon by July 2014.

The current crop of Republican contenders does not impress me, either. But I think the Republicans could be bailed out by the late entry of someone like H. Norman Schwartzkopf, Tommy Franks, or David Petreaus. Solid military leaders, solid leadership skills, accomplished public speakers, and not afraid to make the tough decisions. They all know how the world works, and all of whom could make any Democrat mudslinging look like the Dems hated the troops and the military. Not to mention that they'd clean Obama's clock in a debate.

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Re: Native Americans

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:29 am

drawscore wrote:Well, that's fine. Of course, if Obama gets a second term, we'll be living under Obama's 9-9-9 plan: Gasoline for $9.99 a gallon by July 2014.

The current crop of Republican contenders does not impress me, either. But I think the Republicans could be bailed out by the late entry of someone like H. Norman Schwartzkopf, Tommy Franks, or David Petreaus. Solid military leaders, solid leadership skills, accomplished public speakers, and not afraid to make the tough decisions. They all know how the world works, and all of whom could make any Democrat mudslinging look like the Dems hated the troops and the military. Not to mention that they'd clean Obama's clock in a debate.

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I don't think I could argue with any of that. I'm not specifically pro-Dem or anti-GOP myself; I simply hate extremism in *either* direction, and such extremism is all we see these days. I'm a Moderate myself; but Moderates have NO candidates to support in the current Election season. And, in today's economic climate, I must admit I'm unsure a Moderate could possibly fix the mess we're currently in.
None of which, of course, has *anything* to do with Native Americans... :worried:
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Amagi420 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:05 am

I'm surprised at how little support Ron Paul is getting. I don't follow amarican politics as much as some but from the debates I have seen he seems like the best candidit by far.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:23 am

bookboy15 wrote:I'm surprised at how little support Ron Paul is getting. I don't follow amarican politics as much as some but from the debates I have seen he seems like the best candidit by far.

Depends on what you base that on, I suppose. For instance, anyone who is against gay marraige and abortion and believes climate change is NOT being caused (o at elast worsened) by Humanity should like him, otherwise they probably should not. His wish to eliminate payroll income taxes might be popular, but I doubt it'd be very practical.
I agree with many of his other positions though, such as opposing the Patriot Act and the wasteful War on Drugs.
But there are too many positions he holds that I am greatly opposed to for me to consider voting for him.
All in all theough, you may have a point. In some ways he seems likethe best of a bad bunch... not that this is saying much.
But again... what does all this have to do with Native Americans?! Nothing! A discussion like this belongs in its own thread!
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Re: Native Americans

Postby drawscore » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:59 am

bookboy15 wrote:I'm surprised at how little support Ron Paul is getting. I don't follow amarican politics as much as some but from the debates I have seen he seems like the best candidit by far.


Right, wrong, or indifferent, Ron Paul is largely regarded as an "unelectable fringe candidate." As so many other commentators have said, "80-90% of what he says, I agree with. It's just that 10-20% of his positions come across as 'nutty,' and that's what makes him, in the eyes of many, unelectable."

Re: Native Americans

Postby Jason Toddman » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:05 pm

drawscore wrote: Right, wrong, or indifferent, Ron Paul is largely regarded as an "unelectable fringe candidate." As so many other commentators have said, "80-90% of what he says, I agree with. It's just that 10-20% of his positions come across as 'nutty,' and that's what makes him, in the eyes of many, unelectable."


I agree.
However, I think the same can be said for all of the other candidates as well. There isn't a single one of them (Obama included, IMO) that has a platform free of items that isn't bound to aggravate a LOT of people... especially women, gays, and anyone who has a decent understanding of science.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Amagi420 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:06 am

I rember Paul saying he something along the lines of not caring about gay marriage or abortion. If I rember correctly. Didn't he want to drop issues like these to the state level?
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Amagi420 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:08 am

Oh and Paul's tax plan is actually quite ingenious. His economic plan would have the states out of debt in years not decades. I revolves around free enterprise which, while it does trample small bissnesses, does creat an economic power play.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby sarobah » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:43 am

I’m not picking on you personally drawscore, but good Lord... Where does one begin with this craziness?
drawscore wrote: Of course, if Obama gets a second term, we'll be living under Obama's 9-9-9 plan: Gasoline for $9.99 a gallon by July 2014

This sort of thing always makes me laugh.
Question: Why would Obama want gas to cost $9.99 a gallon?
Answer: Because he’s EVIL and that’s what EVIL people do!
Question: But why do EVIL people do this?
Answer: Because they’re EVIL!!!

By the way, the infamous “999 plan” is from Herman Cain. But let’s blame Obama anyway. Because he’s EVIL!!!

drawscore wrote:They all know how the world works, and all of whom could make any Democrat mudslinging look like the Dems hated the troops and the military.

So are you saying that Schwartzkopf etc. would tell lies to make the Democrats look like they hate the troops? This is the sort of person you want to be President?
Or do you really believe that the Democrats hate the troops?
Question: Why do the Democrats hate the troops?
Answer: Because they’re EVIL and that’s what EVIL people do!
(etcetera)

drawscore wrote:Not to mention that they'd clean Obama's clock in a debate.

Sorry, but I see that as nothing other than plain racism. Whatever else you think of Obama, to denigrate his intelligence and debating skills is so far from established reality that one has to ask how anyone could come to such a bizarre conclusion. Unless you’re judging him not on his record, but on his... well, I think the message is clear.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:18 am

sarobah wrote: Sorry, but I see that as nothing other than plain racism.

I'm in full agreement with you there. Though few people will admit it even to themselves, I think that underneath many (not all, but many) peoples' criticisms of Obama is racism, pure and simple. I recall even on the very night he was elected reading blogs by people already vowing to fight Obama every step of the way without even giving the man a chance to do his job. Racismn was not mentioned, but it is so prevalent a problem that it is obviously there, unspoken. Some political cartoons (particularly though from a clueless individual named Glenn McCoy) are so blantantly racist and out of touch with reality that one can't help but wonder how much we've really progressed on this issue. We don't speak of it or admit to it, but it's there all the same.
And each political parties discussing the other in the blackest possible terms (a republican politician calling someone a 'liberal' as if that was the dirtiest thing imaginable to call someone is someone I have frequently heard, for instance) doesn't help matters either; it merely makes our problems worse by making it harder for the two parties to work together. As long as they pull in opposite directions like a tug of war instead of pulling together to get our economy of of the quicksand, our economy (and society in genral) will continue to sink.
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Re: Native Americans

Postby drawscore » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:10 am

>>>So are you saying that Schwartzkopf etc. would tell lies to make the Democrats look like they hate the troops? This is the sort of person you want to be President?<<<

They would not have to tell lies. The Democrats have done it to themselves. Think about it: Harsh criticism of the generals, or how they conducted their commands, especially by those that were never in the military, makes them look petty and uninformed. Not to mention dumber than a box of rocks.

>>>Or do you really believe that the Democrats hate the troops?<<<

I believe the military has suffered more under recent Democrats, than they have under Republicans. Carter (a graduate of the US Naval Academy), cut military forces. Reagan and Bush I built them back up.

Clinton, while in college, implied that he "loathed the military" in a letter to a military officer, and it was on his watch, that his defense secretary, William Perry, broke a long standing promise to America's military retirees, that went back to Teddy Roosevelt, and maybe even earlier. They were told, that in return for 20 or more years of service, they would receive free medical and dental care at military medical and dental facilities, for the remainder of their lives, for themselves and their eligible dependents. In 1994, that promise was broken, and retirees were kicked out of military hospitals, and refused treatment at military dental clinics.

As for Obama, how short our memories are. Last April, when we were having a budget "crisis," Obama said that if an agreement wasn't reached, our soldiers, both active and retired, might not get paid; that Social Security recipients might not get their checks, and VA pensioners might get cut off.

Not a word about his own pay, the pay of congress, or the pay of cabinet officials and political appointees. No, it was the military, the elderly, and the veterans who were first in Obama's line to be cut, should a budget agreement not be reached.

So, does this add up to contempt and disdain for the military on the part of Democrats? You tell me. (But you'll have to do a lot of talking to convince me that the Democrats are not overtly hostile to the military, to military retirees, and to military veterans.)

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Re: Native Americans

Postby Jason Toddman » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:29 am

drawscore wrote: As for Obama, how short our memories are. Last April, when we were having a budget "crisis," Obama said that if an agreement wasn't reached, our soldiers, both active and retired, might not get paid; that Social Security recipients might not get their checks, and VA pensioners might get cut off.

Not a word about his own pay, the pay of congress, or the pay of cabinet officials and political appointees. No, it was the military, the elderly, and the veterans who were first in Obama's line to be cut, should a budget agreement not be reached. So, yes, I believe he has nothing but contempt and disdain for the military, vets, and the old folks. He is not worthy to be the Commander in Chief, nor president.

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As usual, your post shows considerable conservative bias. The reason why things like Social Security were mentioned while his own pay wasn't was because he was trying to stir public and congressional sentiment to get something done. No one gave a sweet God damn whether congress and the president got paid or not (except, of course, the president and congress), but Social Security, goevernemnt worker and military pay, and so on were issues that woukd get numerous people to write to their congressmen and demand action. Obama was wise not to mention his pay or Congressmen's pay; it'd have been counter-productive!
I agree he's not a good president and should be replaced, but for vastly different reasons than these apparent misconceptions of yours concerning various presidents' motives for doing things.
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