Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby purpledumplings69 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:59 pm

I think I like bondage because I enjoy seeing women in pain. it's as simple as that. I Get sexually aroused and get a bigger boner literally when I see girls crying while tied up. I like seeing them go through both emotional and physical pain. I guess that's what bondage is all about, but is it kinda sick an unhealthy to enjoy women in pain? tell me what you think

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby Zandor » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:03 pm

Ehh.... Its a bit Sadistic, but then again, i laugh when im in pain whilst crying so.... In my opinion its your thing and you deal with it the way you do... so Thats my opinion, its not too dark.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby NemesisPrime » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:02 am

It's a bit sadistic but by no means dark!

As long as you wouldn't act on those impulses in real life unless it was with a consenting other and there was clear boundaries established.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby trammel » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:56 am

There is a slightly blurred line, I guess. I like a movie about a kidnapped girl, but I know it's a movie. A tie up game is just that. To truly enjoy seeing an innocent harmed is sick and means you are in need of serious intervention. I guess you need to decide where you are on that line.

I do not agree that seeing girls and women in pain is what bondage is all about. Enjoying seeing others truly harmed, I would contend, reveals some troubling emotional issues which need to be worked out. Taken to its extreme conclusion, I suspect school shooters also enjoy seeing people harmed.

For me, bondage is all about the helplessness and trying to escape, whether it's me or watching someone else. It's not about inflicting pain or harming others, and it shouldn't be.

I have expressed my concern with this site that it pushes the envelope more and more. It didn't start out that way. As it does so, some very sick people show up with some very real problems. They trouble me, and I suspect at some point the site could be taken down if they are not reigned it.

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby kinoface » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:57 pm

Just remember that it's all about the difference between fantasy and reality. I used to ask myself this same question, and it caused me a lot of turmoil when people I really cared for and felt safe with would say things like "Yeah, that's a little disturbing" or, even worse, "I'm worried about you." Their opinions of me confused my own ideas about myself; when I was around 20, I read a book about a man who kidnaps and rapes boys, and because I found it hot, I started to feel ashamed (truly, soul-crushingly ashamed) because I thought I was capable of doing the same thing. Now as an adult I realize that's ridiculous. I would NEVER actually do that. I still find the book/idea sexy, and I still fantasize about similar situations. I am a sadist. I like seeing men tied up and in pain. I like it a whole lot. But I am NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, a rapist, kidnapper, or school shooter. And that's the distinction you have to make for yourself.

If you have an actual, real desire or actual, real plans to go out into the real world and actually, literally harm people without their consent, then yes, that's a problem. And if you treat actual, real, non-consenting women as objects, then yes, that's a problem. But if it's just a fantasy, even if it's a fantasy that seems really dark or violent, and as long as it doesn't affect the way you treat real people, then you're okay.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby trammel » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:40 am

With all due respect, there IS something wrong and sick about "enjoying" seeing boys raped and abused. That is over the line, dark and wrong, even if you don't act it out. A healthy person has compassion for those who are weak or helpless. I strongly suggest that, if you feel that way, it WILL sooner or later affect how you treat or interact with people. I strongly suggest counseling to help you work through such unhealthy proclivities. Ask yourself, if you "enjoy" seeing boys raped and abused, even if you currently don't feel inclined to do it yourself, what happens if you have a boy some day of your own, especially on one of the many days he will exasperate you? And he will, children do that. Please, seek help. Please.

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby SamanthaBoundx » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:14 am

trammel wrote:With all due respect, there IS something wrong and sick about "enjoying" seeing boys raped and abused. That is over the line, dark and wrong, even if you don't act it out. A healthy person has compassion for those who are weak or helpless. I strongly suggest that, if you feel that way, it WILL sooner or later affect how you treat or interact with people. I strongly suggest counseling to help you work through such unhealthy proclivities. Ask yourself, if you "enjoy" seeing boys raped and abused, even if you currently don't feel inclined to do it yourself, what happens if you have a boy some day of your own, especially on one of the many days he will exasperate you? And he will, children do that. Please, seek help. Please.


I'm sorry, but your argument is incredibly hypocritical.

In one of your previous posts, you said: "I like a movie about a kidnapped girl, but I know it's a movie. A tie up game is just that. To truly enjoy seeing an innocent harmed is sick and means you are in need of serious intervention."

But when kinoface says: "I read a book about a man who kidnaps and rapes boys, and because I found it hot, I started to feel ashamed. Now as an adult I realize that's ridiculous. I would NEVER actually do that. I still find the book/idea sexy, and I still fantasize about similar situations" - you say that it's sick and wrong.

Kinoface has said that they found the idea of rape/abuse in a book sexy, but would never do it themself. You've said that you find kidnap in films sexy, but would never do it yourself. Both acts are totally wrong and equally damaging in real life, but plenty of people fantasise about both of them without any desire to act on it. Why is it acceptable for you to enjoy the idea of kidnap, with the knowledge that you would never act on it, but unacceptable for someone to fantasise about rape/abuse/pain with the knowledge that they would never act on it? Why would a fantasy about kidnap not effect how your interact with people in the real world, but a fantasy about rape/abuse/pain would? I struggle to see where you are drawing the distinction between what is "right" and what is "wrong" here. . .

In my eyes, if it's a fantasy, then there is no "line" which can be overstepped. They're all exactly the same.

This forum is supposed to be a safe place for people to discuss fantasies that they're often told that they're "sick" and "deviant" for thinking about. Personally, I'm not a sadist, but I think it's totally unacceptable to be so judgemental about people's individual fetishes, especially in a place designed to encourage openness about them. . .

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby trammel » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:23 am

Nothing hypocritical at all. Tied up, not raped, in a movie. Sure. It's a movie. And I never said I found it hot and was turned on by rape and abuse. To be sexually turned on by seeing boys tied up, hurt and raped is sick. Yes, it is. If you don't believe me, go see a counselor and if the counselor says I am all wet I will stand corrected. I dare you.

And, either you are horribly uninformed or this site grossly misrepresents itself. You say "This forum is supposed to be a safe place for people to discuss fantasies that they're often told that they're "sick" and "deviant" for thinking about." The site itself says it is " A site full of youth and young adult tie up stories." Which is it? I think sicker and sicker people keep showing up on this site, but it hasn't always been that way. I really don't think there is any good purpose for sick deviants to sit around and tell one another they are OK, except to keep repeating a lie so often they delude themselves into believing it.

Fun tie up stories and games? Sure. Fun with rape and abuse of boys? Really???

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby trammel » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:34 am

purpledumplings69 wrote:I think I like bondage because I enjoy seeing women in pain. it's as simple as that. I Get sexually aroused and get a bigger boner literally when I see girls crying while tied up. I like seeing them go through both emotional and physical pain. I guess that's what bondage is all about, but is it kinda sick an unhealthy to enjoy women in pain? tell me what you think


Bondage is all about enjoying seeing girls and women "go through both emotional and physical pain." Really? For me it's about the fun and helpless feeling of being tied up. Period.

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby SamanthaBoundx » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:05 am

Congratulations on displaying the largest self-seving bias that I've ever come across. You win :)

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby skybird137 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:27 am

I've written a few small stories on this site, and some of them have been a little dark, even to the point of attempted murder in one case.

I do have limits in what I will write though, but as I keep to them and not go beyond them, does that make me a hypocrite? I think that I would become very uncomfortable about writing, if I have to write anything for everybody.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby kinoface » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:25 pm

trammel wrote:With all due respect, there IS something wrong and sick about "enjoying" seeing boys raped and abused. That is over the line, dark and wrong, even if you don't act it out. A healthy person has compassion for those who are weak or helpless. I strongly suggest that, if you feel that way, it WILL sooner or later affect how you treat or interact with people. I strongly suggest counseling to help you work through such unhealthy proclivities. Ask yourself, if you "enjoy" seeing boys raped and abused, even if you currently don't feel inclined to do it yourself, what happens if you have a boy some day of your own, especially on one of the many days he will exasperate you? And he will, children do that. Please, seek help. Please.


For real?

Enjoying (nice sarcasm quotes, by the way) something in FICTION is not the same as enjoying it in real life. You've already told us, "I like a movie about a kidnapped girl." You specifically said "kidnapped." Not tied up. Not playing a tie-up game. Kidnapped. Against her will. But because you then said, "I know it's a movie," I assume that when you read a news story about a real kidnapping, it doesn't get you hot and bothered. Because you have compassion for REAL PEOPLE who are weak or helpless IN REAL LIFE. You might not want to think I do as well, because your knee-jerk reaction is that my desires are dark and bad and wrong, but the truth is that I do feel compassion, sympathy, and sadness for REAL people who are raped, abused, kidnapped, or in any other way harmed IN REAL LIFE. In your own words, "A tie up game is just that." How is a book, a short story, a movie, a video starring consenting adults, or a fantasy any different? To you, the difference is the subject matter. To you, enjoying a fictional woman being kidnapped in a movie is somehow better than enjoying a fictional boy being abused in a novel. The fact is that they are both instances of FICTIONAL people being harmed against their will in WORKS OF FICTION.

When YOU start enjoying real people's real suffering, THEN you can worry about me.

When YOU start thinking about how you want to go out and kidnap a non-consenting woman in real life, THEN you can worry about me.

And when YOU start hiring people to kidnap your hypothetical daughter, THEN you can worry about my hypothetical son.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby Jason Toddman » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:50 pm

Sometimes I think any particular desire in another person seems darker to a person when he doesn't share that desire as opposed to if he does.
I myself have had some dark fantasies, and have written stories about boys that seem to some to cross the line. However, in my case my fantasies are masochistic rather than sadistic. I do not imagine myself as the captor but always as the captive, and my stories express a deep-seated to be abused (within limits, of course); never as a abuser (like most masochists I know of, I have no sadistic qualities at all that I am aware of). I fantasize about being tied up and tormented in various moderate ways, but I never imagine myself doing to anyone else the same things I enjoy being done to me, nor would I likely derive any enjoyment at all from doing them. So, dark as my fantasies and stories may seem to some, I would never impose my wishes on another person in real life ever; and that I think makes all the difference in the world.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby trammel » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:11 am

Kinoface said, "I read a book about a man who kidnaps and rapes boys, and because I found it hot..." In other words, you get sexually turned on by child rape and pain. If that is not what you meant, then fine, but that is what you said and what you said is sick.

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby drawscore » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:46 am

When I was young, we played a lot of "cops and robbers" and "cowboys and Indians." We tied each other up. A lot. Nothing sensual or sexual about it; just a bunch of kids having fun, and imitating what we saw on TV, and that is how I look at the games, even after the passage of several years.

That being said, I don't care who you are, the deliberate harming of a child, or the use of a child as a sexual object, is, to me, totally unacceptable. Those that would murder or rape a child are not well. Those that actually do it, should either be released into the open population of a prison, or thrown into a hole so deep, sunlight has to be pumped in.

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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby Jason Toddman » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:23 am

I don't think anyone (least of all me) disputes that harming a child in any way is absolutely wrong, but how did we get from what the original poster mentioned to child rape and murder; subjects that hadn't been even hinted at by him at all?
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby skybird137 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:38 am

I don't think anyone (least of all me) disputes that harming a child in any way is absolutely wrong, but how did we get from what the original poster mentioned to child rape and murder; subjects that hadn't been even hinted at by him at all?


That was Kinoface's first post on the forums (See above).
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby kinoface » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:40 am

Good grief!!

I'm sorry for my confusing use of the word "boy" when I first brought up the book, but just so we're all on the same page, these FICTIONAL characters I was talking about were late teens/early 20s. Legal age! I feel like this is a sort of ridiculous thing to point out, but I don't want anyone to get hung up on the kid thing because that's really not where I was going and absolutely is not the point. I'm also going to remind everyone that I NEVER said I enjoyed or advocated the actual harm of actual children or actual people anywhere. That has been my point this whole time. So can we please move on from talking about hurting kids?

My intention with bringing up the book was NOT to show everyone how much I looove hurting kids or anyone else (I DON'T) or how great I think it is (IT'S NOT). My intention was to illustrate to the OP, who seems to be dealing with emotions that I have experience with and know can be quite troubling and painful, that there can be and often is a very important contrast between what we enjoy in fantasy and what we want to see in real life. That was the entire purpose of the book example. I really didn't anticipate that anyone would latch on to it like this, so I'm sorry for that.

All I wanted to do is tell the OP that as long as you don't cause real harm to real people, you're okay. There will always be people who look at what you like to think about or what you like to do with other consenting adults in private spaces and will then compare you to a school shooter or try to convince you that you're capable of harming your own children. People like that have caused more harm to me than I have EVER caused to another human being. But those aren't the people who dictate who you are. Your ACTIONS, the way you treat other people, that's what dictates who you are.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby Jason Toddman » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:59 pm

skybird137 wrote:
I don't think anyone (least of all me) disputes that harming a child in any way is absolutely wrong, but how did we get from what the original poster mentioned to child rape and murder; subjects that hadn't been even hinted at by him at all?

That was Kinoface's first post on the forums (See above).

I think you missed my point, just as I think most of the people who posted missed Kinoface's point. As he himself just said (in different words), he was trying to make the same point that *I* was trying to make with *my* first post on this thread.

kinoface wrote:I'm also going to remind everyone that I NEVER said I enjoyed or advocated the actual harm of actual children or actual people anywhere. That has been my point this whole time.

I noticed that, which is precisely why I asked just how we got to that subject. I think someone somewhere along the way jumped to some conclusions.

kinoface wrote: Your ACTIONS, the way you treat other people, that's what dictates who you are.

I quite agree, with the caveat that I think it's okay to 'hurt' a non-underaged masochist (like me) if the action is mutually consensual and ONLY if it is mutually consensual (and, again, also legal age and/or peer age). Masochists like me like pain/degradation after all - at least, within limits. As long as personal boundaries are always respected, where's the harm?
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby kinoface » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:44 pm

Thank you, Jason. I agree completely with everything you've said.

Jason Toddman wrote:I quite agree, with the caveat that I think it's okay to 'hurt' a non-underaged masochist (like me) if the action is mutually consensual and ONLY if it is mutually consensual (and, again, also legal age and/or peer age). Masochists like me like pain/degradation after all - at least, within limits. As long as personal boundaries are always respected, where's the harm?

This is always, always, always an excellent and important point to make in these discussions. Just as there are people on this forum who want to be "kidnapped," there are people who want to be "abused" or otherwise subjected to painful/degrading/unpleasant activities. And just as we make the distinction between fantasy and reality (reading a story about a kidnapped girl vs. actually kidnapping a real girl), there is a distinction between play and reality (pretending to kidnap a girl because it's something you both want and have explicitly consented to vs. actually kidnapping a girl against her will).

Kidnapping/hurting/abusing someone if that's what they actually want you to do, and they have explicitly consented to it, and they are of the legal consenting age, is okay. Doing any of the above to someone against their will is NEVER okay.

Jason, I know you just said the same thing! :) But I feel like it can't be stressed enough, especially when there's already been some confusion. No one here wants to cause unwanted harm to anyone, ever, and that's really the most important thing.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby Plueschbabycd » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:10 pm

Hello see so that some people see as problem, there are cocksure this fantasy would dangerous because for them could follow the fantasy the reality. Like all here I would not read that some own from forum would take story with children as example for reality.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby skybird137 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:20 pm

I think you missed my point,


I wasn't interested in 'the point', I was just answering the question as concisely as possible.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby ParanoiaDoesBondage » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:19 am

What I think is that you're mixing bondage and sadism together. You get your kicks from the combination of those, I think.

In my opinion, it is somewhat troubling that you bring it up like that. Bondage and sadism are not the same things - they might be adjoined together in many situations, but they are most definitely NOT THE SAME THING. Some people enjoy bondage for other reasons - like me, who gets his kicks from the action of attempting to escape, lockpick, and struggle to break the restraints.

I'll ask you to seriously think about why you get kicks from that. What makes you want to see a girl get hurt? I personally would never accept anyone getting hurt like that - consensuality and mutual understanding is a key to everything I do. Your wording of "seeing them go through both emotional and physical pain" is an extremely large and huge warning sign to me, and I wish with all my heart that you will get this checked out. I'm not a professional (of course), but I think I can still suggest you to first 1) talk with a therapist about that, and 2) for the love of this board, brush up on your knowledge of terms. It seriously infuriates me when you mix those terms together like that.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:24 am

skybird137 wrote:
I think you missed my point,

I wasn't interested in 'the point', I was just answering the question as concisely as possible.

But if you miss the point, there's no point in doing that! *sigh* :?
Surely that makes sense to anyone even if they're NOT an Aspie (someone with Asperger's Syndrome)?

ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote:What I think is that you're mixing bondage and sadism together. You get your kicks from the combination of those, I think.

I gather you were referring to Purpledumplings69 (are those last two digits a coincidence? Hmm) and not me, but I'd like to briefly comment on that anyway.
In my case I enjoy both (or, rather, bondage and masochism - the inverse of sadism) as each enhances the other, but yes they are definitely separate likes. Some people are into sadism/masochism but not bondage, and a considerably larger percentage are into bondage but not sado-masochism. I think most of us are pretty clear about those two being distinct; even those of us who like both. Most people who get confused about separation of the two are in my experience those who are into neither, or are too young yet to have learned to have made the distinction.
But, like any other mentally healthy person, I'm as distressed at seeing anyone else hurt as any regular person on the street would be. If I see a child being hurt, and I'll go ballistic if it's at all evident that it's not just a kids-playing kind of thing! I don't think a liking for bondage and sado-masochism necessarily makes someone a bad person; it's what he actually wants to do with/to people that determines that, I think.
If I started to feel a real desire to hurt anyone for no reason (especially after living my whole life with no such desire), Hell I'd have myself locked away! But fantasies without the actual desire to act out on them doesn't mean much at all.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby skybird137 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:46 am

But if you miss the point, there's no point in doing that! *sigh*
Surely that makes sense to anyone even if they're NOT an Aspie (someone with Asperger's Syndrome)?


Save cheap digs at people for the 'Jump in the Fire' Section please.

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby ParanoiaDoesBondage » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:29 am

Jason Toddman wrote:
skybird137 wrote:
I think you missed my point,

I wasn't interested in 'the point', I was just answering the question as concisely as possible.

But if you miss the point, there's no point in doing that! *sigh* :?
Surely that makes sense to anyone even if they're NOT an Aspie (someone with Asperger's Syndrome)?

ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote:What I think is that you're mixing bondage and sadism together. You get your kicks from the combination of those, I think.

I gather you were referring to Purpledumplings69 (are those last two digits a coincidence? Hmm) and not me, but I'd like to briefly comment on that anyway.
In my case I enjoy both (or, rather, bondage and masochism - the inverse of sadism) as each enhances the other, but yes they are definitely separate likes. Some people are into sadism/masochism but not bondage, and a considerably larger percentage are into bondage but not sado-masochism. I think most of us are pretty clear about those two being distinct; even those of us who like both. Most people who get confused about separation of the two are in my experience those who are into neither, or are too young yet to have learned to have made the distinction.
But, like any other mentally healthy person, I'm as distressed at seeing anyone else hurt as any regular person on the street would be. If I see a child being hurt, and I'll go ballistic if it's at all evident that it's not just a kids-playing kind of thing! I don't think a liking for bondage and sado-masochism necessarily makes someone a bad person; it's what he actually wants to do with/to people that determines that, I think.
If I started to feel a real desire to hurt anyone for no reason (especially after living my whole life with no such desire), Hell I'd have myself locked away! But fantasies without the actual desire to act out on them doesn't mean much at all.


Commenting on your post: yeap, it seems that taste for "normal" things goes in hand with lackluster knowledge of terms. As of fantasies, I'm finding it hard to accept even having fantasies like that.. why one would fantasize about things like that, if not for the desire to carry them out? And I mean willingly thinking about them - I've had potentially deleterious, highly emotional fantasies as well, but rationalized them out of the loop after considering the likely consequences, and simply the facts why would I even like that after the fact. That's why I suggested deep reconsideration to Purpledumplings69 - he might not have simply thought deeply enough about his ideas, and it started worrying me inside with the potential yet unneeded consequences that could result...

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby Jason Toddman » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:20 am

ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote: As of fantasies, I'm finding it hard to accept even having fantasies like that.. why one would fantasize about things like that, if not for the desire to carry them out?

A desire to carry them out does not equate to any intention to carry them out. That may seem like a subtle difference, but I think it's a genuine one.
Me... because of my adolescent experiences I still have a rather strong desire to have teenaged boys tie me up and even to sit on me (though with none of the sexual components some of my adolescent experiences entailed, fortunately for my peace of mind). But I have no intention whatsoever of actually trying to get any boys to actually do this. Afaik It's not illegal (as no sex or desire for sex is involved) but it sure would LOOK suspicious as hell. To say nothing of trust issues, the risk of public humiliation, and so forth. Sometimes I lack discretion... but nowhere near THAT much.
So though I'd like boys to tie me up and treat me like a slave or something again, there's no intention on my part to allow this to happen - now or ever again.
IMO, it's only when there's any active or latent intent to do something that a person needs some kind of psychological intervention.
Though I'm sure there are others who disagree with me, but then that's their right too.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby kinoface » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:38 pm

ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote:As of fantasies, I'm finding it hard to accept even having fantasies like that.. why one would fantasize about things like that, if not for the desire to carry them out? And I mean willingly thinking about them - I've had potentially deleterious, highly emotional fantasies as well, but rationalized them out of the loop after considering the likely consequences, and simply the facts why would I even like that after the fact. That's why I suggested deep reconsideration to Purpledumplings69 - he might not have simply thought deeply enough about his ideas, and it started worrying me inside with the potential yet unneeded consequences that could result...

Just because you find something hard to accept doesn't mean it isn't true.

I think it's fair to say that most people, at one time or another, have had the type of fantasy you're describing here. And yes, it's true that SOME people really do go out and act on those dark/violent fantasies, and those are the people you hear about most often - on the news, in horror movies, on shows like CSI - but I promise you that for every violently unstable person you hear about, there are countless others who are fully capable of fantasizing about whatever they want and NEVER harming another human being because of those fantasies. You never hear about the guy who has violent fantasies about women but respects women in real life and has a lot of healthy relationships with women and one day finds a woman who is a masochist and the two develop a wonderful, healthy, consensual BDSM relationship and get married and live happily ever after and no one was ever hurt. Just like you never hear about the guy who didn't set a house on fire, didn't rob a bank, didn't murder anyone. The ones you hear about are the exceptions - NOT the rule.
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Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby trammel » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:54 pm

drawscore wrote:When I was young, we played a lot of "cops and robbers" and "cowboys and Indians." We tied each other up. A lot. Nothing sensual or sexual about it; just a bunch of kids having fun, and imitating what we saw on TV, and that is how I look at the games, even after the passage of several years.

That being said, I don't care who you are, the deliberate harming of a child, or the use of a child as a sexual object, is, to me, totally unacceptable. Those that would murder or rape a child are not well. Those that actually do it, should either be released into the open population of a prison, or thrown into a hole so deep, sunlight has to be pumped in.

Drawscore


Agree 100%!

Re: Is my bondage interest a little too dark?

Postby trammel » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:57 pm

kinoface wrote:
ParanoiaDoesBondage wrote:As of fantasies, I'm finding it hard to accept even having fantasies like that.. why one would fantasize about things like that, if not for the desire to carry them out? And I mean willingly thinking about them - I've had potentially deleterious, highly emotional fantasies as well, but rationalized them out of the loop after considering the likely consequences, and simply the facts why would I even like that after the fact. That's why I suggested deep reconsideration to Purpledumplings69 - he might not have simply thought deeply enough about his ideas, and it started worrying me inside with the potential yet unneeded consequences that could result...

Just because you find something hard to accept doesn't mean it isn't true.

I think it's fair to say that most people, at one time or another, have had the type of fantasy you're describing here. And yes, it's true that SOME people really do go out and act on those dark/violent fantasies, and those are the people you hear about most often - on the news, in horror movies, on shows like CSI - but I promise you that for every violently unstable person you hear about, there are countless others who are fully capable of fantasizing about whatever they want and NEVER harming another human being because of those fantasies. You never hear about the guy who has violent fantasies about women but respects women in real life and has a lot of healthy relationships with women and one day finds a woman who is a masochist and the two develop a wonderful, healthy, consensual BDSM relationship and get married and live happily ever after and no one was ever hurt. Just like you never hear about the guy who didn't set a house on fire, didn't rob a bank, didn't murder anyone. The ones you hear about are the exceptions - NOT the rule.


This is why Jesus warned that if you even think about a woman with lust in your heart you have commited adultery. I don't expect you will understand this. In fact, I fully expect you will consider it foolishness. However, it is the case with adultery, and it is the case with rape and abusiveness. Just because you reject truth does not make truth less true.