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This is an idea I've been thinking about for a while. I don't know if it's a good idea or not, and I can see why the suggestion could be alarming, but I think it's worth talking about at least.

Whenever all of the janitors on a board are offline, shitposters have free reign to derail threads with roll images and "^- This poster is..." images, and CP tends to stay up longer than it should because it takes 3 illegal reports for anyone else to be able to deal with it. The point has been made that, if you just add an image MD5 to a banlist and prevent people from posting it, they'll change one pixel in Paint and post it anyway, which makes the process of blocking the image in the first place a waste of time.

My suggestion for a workaround would be something which automatically bans these posts after a short time.

Before I continue I just want to make something clear: it would be a big problem if this were to look for post content (like regex-ing "if you don't reply to this post..." which would run the risk of catching good posts which just happened to contain those phrases. In my mind, it wouldn't even be for ban-evaders like Barneyfag who routinely post the same images, because someone else could post those images without being Barneyfag, and the images themselves aren't rule-violating. It would be exclusively for things like roll images or CP, which are, in and of themselves, always rule-violating. After posting images on the auto-ban list, a short timer would run down, and the poster would be banned. It simulates good janitoring and makes sure these posts always get dealt with quickly, without giving the poster any indication that a janitor isn't actually active, or giving them a reason to modify the image in Paint.

This would improve the quality of the boards by quickly getting rid of the big derailing posts which never fail in accumulating hundreds of replies, which human janitors can't hope to do with the same speed and regularity.
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>>5541
I want to add that I'm speaking here only in the context of rule violations other than CP. That should obviously never make it onto the site.
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Unless the image is specifically illegal there really should not be any kind of auto-banning happening. Besides, most bots already modify their image to spam repeatedly.

The boards have survived this long with random off-hour shitposting, it's not going to burn down in the few hours you're asleep. If there's a particular spammer you can always ask RA to set up a custom filter or a temporary rangeban if its easter-tier.
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There are some things that probably could be added to the spam filter that would make all our lives much easier, but I don't know how much you can just pile onto it for frivolous auto-assist purposes rather than conserve resources for any more illegal or ad spam shit that comes in the future.

Board-specific block/spam filters would be another pie in the sky idea, to deal with local problems without putting on needless site wide burdens, but I don't know if that is a feasible option or not dev-wise. I remember, a while back, there were attempts to auto-filter block some basic shitposting/flaming tactics on /v/ so I think it is possible, although I'm not implying anything remotely as heavy-handed as that.
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If feasible, such a thing would be appreciated in combating the cunnyposting bot on /tv/.
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>>6230
If you waited two more days you could have bumped it exactly a year later.

Why, as a matter of principle, do we bar users from discussing the quality of threads they're posting in when their threads are going to shit?
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>>6214
we do?
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Meta usually devolves into fingerpointing and shitflinging
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>>6214
Why is the thread going to shit? Delete the shit.
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>>6217
years of slow and steady decline
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>>6214
The thread starts to turn from maybe a bit bad to then off topic what he said >>6216 and then it gets worse and people start saying this >>6217. Basically if it continues it can lead to this >>6218

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I have something that I believe really needs to be addressed, and that's Rule #2 on /toy/
It states: Absolutely no Japanese figurines. Action figures are permitted.
Now I know what it means, and you know what it means, but this one rule seems to cause the 'spergs to go apeshit, and 99 times out of a hundred any thread where a figurine is mentioned or shown (even in the background of a blurry picture), will degrade into a shit flinging mess, with flaming and trolling and people trying to find loopholes as to what exactly makes something a figurine vs a toy.

This should be pretty self evident. If it's marketed and sold as a Japanese figurine, then it's a Japanese figurine, and thereby against the rules. If something is marketed and sold as n action figure, then it's allowed. It's pretty straightforward. There shouldn't be any question as to the difference. If this was a perfect world. But it's not, so we get these kinds of rebuttals:

-Well, what about figurines that have limited articulation? You can pose an arm or turn the head. That makes it an action figure!

-How come Amiibos (Figma FigFX, Skylanders, etc etc) are allowed? They're nothing but statues. why should people get to post about them?

-What about plastic army men. There's no joints on them?

-Gunpla's not a toy, they're model kits, yet they're allowed.

-Why are gashapon toys allowed?

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>>5956

>toys
>juvenile

how dare you
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DID SOMEONE SAY TOYS???
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I know there's a lot more important issues out there, but the whole rule 1 and 2 thing regarding Statues and figurines is still a major sticking point on /toy/.
Japanese Figurines aren't allowed according to rule 2, problem solved (supposedly). Now comes the other side of that argument; what about Western statues? Are they allowed? They aren't mentioned as being forbidden.
"But," chimes in another anon..."Rule 1 says Toys, toys toys! and therefore since statues aren't toys, they aren't allowed."
And as usual this turns into shitflinging and baiting and everything else we don't want to clog up our boards.

What I'm asking from the Mods (or whoever needs to handle this_ is simply two things.
1-Are western statues allowed on /toy/? Yes or no. It doesn't matter where they SHOULD go, the question is do they belong on /toy/?
2-Can there be an official statement, either in a sticky, or even rewording the rules to reflect this, by someone with real authority that can be pointed to when the debate pops up?
These people seem to NEED something tangible for it to reach their brains it seems. It may not always work, but at least it's something solid to look at and say "this is the way it is.". Otherwise it's endless arguing, and people making assumptions, and looking for loopholes, because it's not explicitly spelled out. The whole "It's up for interpretation, and depending on the mod they're allowed one day and not the next".
It's such a simple damn thing, yet it's one of the major problem causers on the board. If we can make it as clear as possible it would go a long way in keeping the peace, and keeping the board running efficiently.
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I think it's important to clarify the rules because if we don't, we might get someone who overdoes it. Gashapons fit in my opinion because they're not huge statues that would clutter up the board, not only that but they rarely come up. A lot of them are articulated and largely considered to be accessories for toys, mostly Figmas or 1:6th stuff like consoles, food, etc. I think the toys-to-life stuff is also fine because while it's not necessarily a toy, it's manufactured by toy companies and targeted at the same audiences are other products at home on the board. The one area where I'm glad we don't have any overlap, and the most important topic at hand, are expensive statues created by the same companies who bring us the products we buy in the normal course of a day. For example, Kotobukiya makes excellent model kits but before they ever messed with those, they did statues and ONLY statues. The reason, in my opinion, that we keep statue separate from toys is not the typical answer, statues appeal to a very specific type of consumer, the /a/ crowd who watch tons of anime. When I think toy, I think product used or purchased by younger people. Statues don't fall into that group. As for gunpla, they are enjoyed by many age groups and are essentially DIY toys really so I feel they have a home base on toy as well. Same with scale model general where I spent all my time.

I realize my opinions don't adhere 100% to the board rules beyond a shadow of a doubt, I feel like I have a good feel for the board and have been there for a very very long time.

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1. /e/ and /c/ content on /a/ should be deleted, nsfw ban requested.
2. Drawthreads are fine, as long as they do not follow a template format
3. Buythreads are fine, as long as they do not follow a template format
4. Sadpanda threads should be deleted
5. Request threads should be deleted and/or warn requested
6. DJT is not allowed on /a/
7. Blogging and general shitposting should be deleted or ban requested
8. Loli threads should be on topic, otherwise deleted.
9. Generals are not allowed and should be deleted.

As covered in this thread >>5736 → here are the guidelines to follow considering the quality of posts in general:

1. Please focus on producing original discussion, questions, or content when creating or contributing to a thread; avoid template formats and “X Thread”-type posts. OPs should be insightful and specific, not general.
2. Please avoid reposting content from previous threads. This includes: resource pastebins, copypasta, forcing memes, image dumping, “xth for y”, “reminder x” and anything that fails to abide by #1.
3. Feel free to talk about similar content in separate threads.

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>>6087
I agree with your assessment.

I also wonder if we could just let things like Miuna Monday and Yuyuesday slide, but set them to auto-sage at the end of their particular weekday. I've seen Yuyuesday threads that made it to the weekend because of the slow bumps. Not my call to make but just my own feeling based on some of them being fairly innocuous.

>>6088
I think another criterion you can use for assessing ongoing generals is the extent that they become chatroomy. Kemono Friends for example still has constant threads but I'd argue they're not bad because people are still discussing the broader cultural phenomenon, other things related to the IP, and there's still such a massive amount of fan interest around the show that people keep sharing new fan creations. The conversation is about as lively and topical as other currently airing series. As long as that persists I don't see why you'd want to crack down on it as being a "general," since people are still discussing the series and the IP more broadly.
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>>6193
We'll see if KF threads are any good in a few months. 6 months+ with no new relevant content (such as episodes, chapter releases etc) is a learned estimate for how long it takes something to go bad on /a/. So if there is nothing really new to talk about by this September, take a serious look at the thread and tell me if it is as good as you remember now or has gone bad. Already, they have decayed a little imo, but they are still plenty good, and there is also the common sentiment that people would rather keep talking about this show than things in current-season, for similar reasons that someone would rather eat leftovers of a favored food a few times night after night than voluntarily stop and eat something new but much-less-enjoyable. Even so though, that favored leftovers will get moldy eventually.

"Bad" here I might define as:
- the threads feel forced and are often bumped just to keep them alive with fluff posts
- the users are there more obviously to keep each other company than to discuss the topic
- there is very little direct discussion on the series, quite often just dumping as fan arts are usually the only new thing to share at all
- if anyone were to watch the threads for a few days or weeks, repetitive posting patterns would begin to appear; this is hardly ever a good thing

Because the title is super-grassroots, there may be an unusual wave of fan-created content, so it does not look to take the usual general-route an ended animu/mango does. However there isn't a -complete- deluge of this material outside art that I've perceived - in theory it's ultra fantastic for there to be an OC-nurturing fandom on the board, but it has to prove its merit. I don't think the threads would be good if say, in X months it's "some guy is making a little fan game for it thus we can have this thread 24/7 on that pretense even though we don't talk about that fanmade content whatsoever", but that's just my playing-by-ear.
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>>6194
Yeah, I agree with everything you just said. So far what's keeping the threads from going bad is the speculation about season 2, the many as-yet-unexplained elements of the series, and so on. I think there will come a time when the axe needs to come down on the show but it may just die of natural causes.

I remember when WIXOSS (the original one) was finished airing, the steady threads continued for quite a while until they just sort of tapered off, and nobody had to come in and put a stop to them or anything. Yuuki Yuuna had a similar thing, and got down to just having occasional threads. I think that's what we'll likely see with KF since it's similar (highly popular anime original with a great deal of secondary material).
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I think in general it is a much better idea to try to stop threads from going bad (or even to fix threads that have already gotten bad) than to put them down after they do. To sum up some comments that I've made in other places:

- Focusing on the OP will always seem sort of inane to me because the vast majority of problems don't have any real explicit connection to the format of the OP. Fundamentally a Kemono Friends thread that says "Kemono Friends thread" will not be very different from a Kemono Friends thread with a specific question in the OP because around 99% of the thread will still end up being about Kemono Friends in general.

- Declaring that we will get rid of general threads or want to ban all general threads is stupid. It just is. For better or for worse, the way a good chunk of seasonal discussion works right now on /a/ is that any given series gets one recurring thread encompassing all discussion of the series that gets remade continuously until the season is over plus some months. Trying to decide on a point at which they magically transform into general threads and need to be put down will appear fairly arbitrary.

- If we can focus on the fixing the content of general threads and communicate clearly to users what our expectations are, in a way that can get broad approval from both anons who like general threads and anons who don't like general threads, the campaign is much more likely to be a success than if we just go wading into threads with riot gear trying to beat down every user making posts we consider crap.

It's been said that actually policing the content of general threads is extremely difficult, but I don't think it is an intractable task. With that in mind I have some specific recommendations that I think may go a long way in mitigating some of the less than ideal behavior that goes on in general threaeds (which I'm going to put into a second post since I don't think they will fit into this one.)
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>>6199
One of the problems with policing general threads up until now has been that is that the tools we have to combat mediocre posting are fairly blunt. We can use ban requests for rules 1, 3, or 6, but these are not particularly informative messages, especially to users who feel that they have been singled out while doing nothing wrong. In my assessment, specific templates and a brief communication would do more to communicate the standard more clearly and effectively than a hundred ordinary rule six warn requests would. For example:

"Threads about a series should primarily consist of discussion of the series and series-related content, not other users or other communities."
"Users in recurring threads should not engage in cliquish behavior or attempt to shut down discussion by reference to past discussions or to pastebins."

There are users who may feel there is absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing the posting of others, or pointing out that something has been discussed to death already. There is probably some merit to these claims. Simply having these warn templates available, though, would allow us to go after some of the more egregious outliers in a way that affords us more discretion than trying to use rule six for everything.

I haven't mentioned one big hallmark of general threads we'd like to get rid of and doesn't fall into either of the above categories, which is inane and repetitive posting. My two cents on that topic will probably wait for some later time. Any sort of unified campaign involving general threads will need to involve all issues, but in my mind these are independent problems which can be considered to have their own causes and their own possible solutions.

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>Janitor applications are now being accepted
Are you applying?
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>>6120
Gomenasai, my name is Ken-Sama.

I’m a 27 year old American Otaku (Anime fan for you gaijins). I watch Anime and Manga on my tablet, and spend my days surfing 4chan and reporting shitposters (ack, !Akemi, barneyfags, other troll posters)

I train by completing the captcha every day, and is able to do it right every time because I have recognized each captcha over a thousand times, and is vastly superior to any other non-pass users on earth. I bought my first 4chan pass two years ago, and I have been paying every month once I mastered the art of completing the captcha.

I lurk on 4chan regularly, on /a/, /cgl/ and the /jp/ board, and I write frequently as well. I know everything about 4chan history and their board rules, which I follow 100%

When I get my 4chan janitor application approved, I am moving to Los Angeles to reduce the latency between my ban requests and the 4chan servers. I hope I can become a janitor for Team 4chan!

I own several cosplay outfits, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I start to moderate /cgl/, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my managers and moderators and speak Japanese as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in my application!
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>>6160
Whoa, a ghost.
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if you apply and you're already a janitor and you're accepted does that make you a super janitor?
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>>6178
You'd have to work twice as hard but you'd get DOUBLE the pay!
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>>6178
what if you are a janitor and secretly re-applied, but got rejected?

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What ARE general threads? Can we put together a working definition of one for internal use?

Obviously we all "basically" know what a general thread is but I'd like a concrete definition that we can use as a basis for further dicussion.

Side discussion: please offer your thoughts on general threads both within the boards you use the most, and in general.
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>>6077
>I mostly made this thread because I thought it might be useful to have a discussion about it.
I totally agree with you, it's definitely become a creeping issue. I like more unrealistic solutions like opening up textboards for boards with a lot of generals and pushing them all there. They get the chatroom they all want and there's less moderation overhead since we wouldn't have to police images. From a technical standpoint (4 the real deal) the most that would have to be done is porting old CSS to the "new" html. We could reskin yotsuba and turn off images to make it look like it's still shii's old script. That way it hooks in to the reports system, mod tools and the users think they have the old text boards back.

>>6078
>How can a thread be both general and yet "about a specific topic" at the same time?
that's what makes generals dumb
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>>6078
They're threads which encompass any/all discussion of a topic, as opposed to having a specific line of inquiry. The "specific topic" in question is generally broad enough that it encompasses a great deal of more specific discussion. For example, all discussion relating to a certain series (such as Attack on Titan or Game of Thrones), or relating to a certain activity (such as skateboarding or military enlistment), or object (such as boots or makeup).

In some boards almost all threads look like this.
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The thing about general threads is it's only as good as the willingness of the participants to be engaged with the topic at hand rather than spamming tired memes and gossiping about the other users. It's more of a problem with low-effort chatroom-tier posting than being about a general topic necessarily. I'd say it would become a 'general' if there is no new content and it's the same flood of people doing the same things over and over.
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I perceive different classifications of threads that people umbrella under as a "general". Since we've been talking about generals on /a/ lately, I might as well get some thoughts in on that here.

By my loose-ish definition, a true general thread is an uninterrupted/chaining thread that exists essentially 24/7, most obvious with backlinks/"new thread/"next thread"/"previous thread" etc somewhere in the mix. Quite often a new one will be made around the time that the old one is falling off a catalog and people will even try to compete for which one gets picked for the routine, expected migration to the new edition. Quite often these harbor an enclave that seems to never leave the thread.

However though there are also what I call scheduled threads - miuna monday, waifu wednesday, etc. People know/expect these are coming, and use them for a few days every week. They are objectively not the same as the actual 24/7 generals as they don't literally chain the threads. To me this method at the very least communicates some awareness or attempt of quality control, hence is better than an actual 24/7 gen, because those users at least know to not force a subject to be up 24/7 and are aware of what a break/pause is. They are still something worth discussing though because they are by nature deeply repetitive and like a casual/lite general in function.

Lastly on /a/ there are functionally two types of 24/7 gens - ones for very popular recent series that retain lots of momentum powering extra discussion, and what I call the "evergreen" generals for series that constantly have new content year-round i.e they are not season-based. Evergreens are things like One Piece, Precure, SnK etc. The vast majority of the gens that remain on /a/ (as well as the most frequent targets of complaints) are evergreen subjects. Recent popular series with momentum tend to die out on their in ~1-2 years (ex: Re:Zero is less frequent now and not 24/7), while some /a/ evergreens are 4-5+ years old.
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>>6084
also at the end there,
>tend to die out on their own

send help!

for some reason hexchat has randomly stopped working for me. anytime I try to connect It says nickname is already in use. this used to happen if i tried logging on at my office when i still had hexchat open at home, but that hasn't been the case for the last week but i still can't get in. not sure whats going on.
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>>6060

tried that. I created a new account and it seems that my old account is still signed in, but i wouldnt for the life of me know where its signed in, i only use my office computer which only i have access to, and my home PC, and the office computer is off and im on my home PC... and it would appear this has gone on for awhile.
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I had this issue before, or something similar. I believe I used:

/msg NickServ RECOVER [nickname] [password]
followed by
/msg NickServ RELEASE [nickname] [password]

^You'll have to be signed in to another account to do these commands, but then you can switch to your real account and do /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [password]

I hope this helps. It fixed my problem.
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>>6062

thanks! I tried a whole bunch of other nonsense but i think the issue was that i wasn't trying it in the jani stream specifically. tried this one and i got my nick back. thanks man!
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>>6063
sweet
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>>6063

If you get a "Nick already in use" message, you can use the GHOST command to disconnect your name if you

/msg Nickserv ghost [nickname] [password]

That fixed it for me.

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Is there a sitewide policy on the mentioning of user-created communities on 4chan, assuming they are not at the moment being aggressively viraled or actively spawning drama? These can include:

- single-purpose communities (wikis, radio streams, download bot real-time chats, multiplayer matchmaking real-time chats)
- project-based communities (real-time chats or dedicated forums for coordinating particular projects)
- topic-based communities (real-time chats, forums, or imageboards for specific series or topics)
- 4chan-substitute communities (imageboards that attempt to serve as substitutes for existing 4chan boards)

Real-time chats usually being either IRC or discord channels. I think that different boards usually handle these in different ways and would like to know what the policy is.
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I would say that discussing or creating any non-4chan community is either off-topic or advertising with a few exceptions.

The exceptions to this would be an "organic" kind of high-effort community. Something like this:
>http://4chanmusic.wikia.com/wiki/Sticky
comprised of people compiling information and advice from the users of 4chan itself, for no personal gain. This kind of community is something to encourage.
You also get collaborative projects, for example /lit/ writing and self-publishing a book with the work taking place outside the site, or /v/'s musicals, or boorus for art from drawthreads, etc.

The distinctive thing about these is that they're productive, project-based communities that identify with the 4chan community. a radio stream would probably be okay, as long as it's composed with the 4chan community in mind and is on-topic to the board. Any new community being discussed should show signs of being project-based and productive to the topic of the board, and NOT just "another place to talk about X topic."
Mods should probably be involved if you're having trouble with any of these project communities, like the /k/ patch salesmen or drama about multiplayer servers or something, (i don't know a lot about these particular topics, just using them as examples)

Also, if a site/community is brought up as a passing recommendation, that's not against the rules as long as its not blatant, you can use your own judgement and knowledge on that.

This isn't /policy/ but it's how I do things and how I see others do them, I hope that helps.
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>>6031
I think that any community or project that is creative or has a purpose other than just discussion ("just another place to talk about X topic") should be linkable from 4chan whether or not it is a 4chan creation. 4chan should always err on the side of helping users create or accomplish things, whether or not they are 4chan-branded.

Assuming that the community is "about the topic", I don't think the "off-topic" category should be used except for cases in which people are making truly off-topic posts (such as pointless drama spilling over into 4chan), and I think the advertising category should be be cautiously reserved for blatant / aggressive pushes. The hammer can always be dropped at a later time and I think that users should feel encouraged to try and organize themselves to useful ends as long as they're not being shitheads about it.

>Mods should probably be involved if you're having trouble with any of these project communities.
I am mostly looking for there to be a unified policy because I have seen crackdowns that I disagreed with, as opposed to wanting a crackdown that's not happening. If I wanted to get rid of something I'd just BR it for advertising and BR the fallout too. Of course I would personally prefer that the policy be one of lenience but if word of mod says that the policy should be strict at least I'll have closure on it.
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>>6032
naturally we should be lenient. I'm more talking about topic posts than reply posts here. Reply posts should always be given more leeway. I always try to use warns as well unless the posting is flagrantly bad

>I am mostly looking for there to be a unified policy
No two situations are alike and 4chan's rules have always been up to some level of interpretation as things change. "It depends." You can keep asking but I don't think you'll get an answer that will satisfy you.

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As much as I enjoy ban requesting the same evader twenty times over, it is still kind of dumb that your average poster can dodge bans with impunity.

The existing solution is the range ban, which if applied, may ban hundreds of ordinary 4chan posters and is thus incredibly unsuitable for practical use except in the case of earth-shatteringly abusive behavior, which ruining threads or spamming doesn't quite rise to the level of. Net result: if you want to shit up someone's thread you usually can (barring the full-time assistance of a staff member keeping it off).

The remedy I suggest is a modified range ban - a range ban with a very permissive cookie whitelist system. Basically: post on 4chan, get a whitelisted cookie, valid indefinitely or until you get banned, whichever comes first. If you have any posts at all on 4chan when the curtain comes down you get onto the whitelist for free. The only obvious problem remaining is what to do if you weren't on the whitelist and aren't a banned poster (because you didn't post on 4chan for a week, or because you're new to 4chan, or you bought a new computer/phone, or you cleared your cookies); in that case, you would get a whitelist cookie that becomes active in three hours (or one hour, or 12 hours, or whatever else seems appropriate.)

Net result: ban evaders must wait 1/3/12 hours before evading their bans; non-offending posters will be inconvenienced for 1/3/12 hours every time they buy a new computer / purge their 4chan cookies / visit 4chan for the first time, none of which honestly should happen all that often. (Cookie blacklists are pretty worthless, because people clear cookies or open private sessions or whatever, but whitelists avoid this problem entirely.)

Please offer opinions or objections to this idea. I haven't carefully thought through a technical implementation or server impact, but I could probably come up with something if it's not an obviously awful idea for some reason I've missed.
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Couldn't some sort of cookie tracking for phone posting be implemented? Wherein, similar to OP's idea, but on a device basis so when a phone posts, it has a cookie derived delay on the next time it can post, regardless of the IP being posted from? Seems if we can cut down on the rate phone posters can post (which shouldn't be an issue realistically for most posters and wouldn't be as obnoxious to legitimate users, the more evaders we can simply dissuade. The more steps we add to the evasion process the fewer will have the autistic fervor to continue on, and the general quality of threads beset my numerous minor evaders would hopefully increase.
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>>5254
I'm pretty sure I've submitted 50+ ban requests on the same individual in the last 12 hours. By the time I go to sleep I would not be surprised if he had accumulated 100 evasion BRs in a 24-hour period.

Forcing janitors to choose between allowing someone to shit up a thread with impunity and going to sleep is stupid.

If it's a matter of developer resources, I would be happy to commit them myself.
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>>5393
I support this
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>>5547
>Forcing janitors to choose between allowing someone to shit up a thread with impunity and going to sleep is stupid
This is not a technical problem and there is no technical solution. The problem is some users who are willing to expend that much effort to be abusive, including circumventing more or less any technical hurdle we can place in their path.

That goes for most of this thread. Improvements to make janitoring easier is one thing, but improvements to make ban evasion harder are a time sink with little profit.
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I bumped this thread with a comment that had been addressed through a channel outside of /j/, so I removed it.

Please enjoy the anachronism.

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Hey guys, we've been kicking the can on some key issues on /a/ for too long and the time is ripe to coordinate actions together to improve the quality of /a/.

I've spoken to various mods and janitors and we've hammered out "official guidelines" to address these issues. Here is what would be posted under mod capcode to various threads that require it:

"Dear xx fans,
In an effort to improve the quality of posts on /a/, it's come to our attention that issues in xx threads should be addressed. To that end, here are a few suggestions:

1. Please focus on producing original discussion, questions, or content when creating or contributing to a thread; avoid template formats and “X Thread”-type posts. OPs should be insightful and specific, not general.
2. Please avoid reposting content from previous threads. This includes: resource pastebins, copypasta, forcing memes, image dumping, “xth for y”, “reminder x” and anything that fails to abide by #1.
3. Feel free to talk about similar content in separate threads.
4. Allow a thread to expire naturally.
5. Please avoid recurring thread topics that are not accompanied by content to discuss
6. Continue to abide by the global and /a/-specific rules outlined here: 4chan.org/rules

These suggestions are applicable to other threads on /a/.

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Reminder that some of us on the janitorial staff are horrific newfags who got here in a year that didn't start in 200, by which time /a/ was already ruined forever. While you may be able to janitor and moderate using the magnificent board sense that comes with being an old-school /a/non, the rest of us need guidelines for when to clear and when to kill. (For that matter, template buyfag and sadpanda threads are up right now, someone has exercised discretion and cleared them, and as a rule I tend not to fuck with decisions that other people have already made.)

That means that I don't have the veterancy or investment in /a/ to say that my discretion is the medicine the board needs. If I have clear instructions, I'll carry them out. But if I'm given vague guidelines, it's not really possible for me to enforce them with any degree of confidence. If I'm going to spend all my time second-guessing every deletion and clear I have to make, or have to phone IRC to make a basic decision on what to do with a 300+ post general/template thread that's been around for 10 hours and I certainly can't be the only one to have seen, it's going to be much fucking easier just to leave all the quality and board direction stuff to other people and go back to only hammering blatant rule violations.

I'm probably not on the same page as a lot of you. I don't viscerally care about template threads, general threads, or dumb reposts. It's very easy for me to doubt my judgment for /a/. Every now and then I'll see a dumb repost that's been happening since I started posting, but hey, just because it was around six years ago doesn't mean it wasn't always shit. If you want me to lurk moar and leave things to the experts, I'd be happy to. Otherwise it'd be nice to have a bit of instruction.
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>>5829
(To add a little bit of unnecessary context, I've mostly considered myself an often-visitor to /a/ over the years rather than a dedicated /a/non, which probably colors how well I know the board. Your mileage may vary.)
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>>5829
>That means that I don't have the veterancy or investment in /a/ to say that my discretion is the medicine the board needs.

I don't disagree with the need for clear guidelines, but I want to address this. If at any point you feel that you, as a janitor, lack the knowledge or background of some aspect of a board to take action, then the appropriate action is to do nothing or bring the issue to another member of the team. Even with a clear set of guidelines, acting without fully understanding the context of what it is you're acting on can cause problems all around. You're not expected to know every single corner of a large and diverse board, that's why we have an entire team of volunteers and an IRC channel. Don't be afraid to defer an issue to another person if you feel like the correct course of action or the context for it isn't perfectly clear to you. It's better to trouble another janitor or a mod for their 2 cents on an issue than trouble the entire board with a bad call.

Not to accuse you of ever doing anything like that, but I just feel that, given the current circumstances, it's important to remind people that we are a team. Nobody will fault you for asking for a second opinion or abstaining where you feel the area is too grey to act appropriately.
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Update: DJT has been declared on-topic in /jp/, but not so on-topic that people aren't allowed to complain about it, so I guess for now it's just going to be exciting in there until one side or the other gives up.

I would post this in the /jp/ thread but the most recent one was made in 2013, hasn't been posted in since 2014 and is more of an archaeological find than anything else.
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So now that a bunch of changes are coming a mile a minute, and we have all the old janitors who have been doing things a certain way as well as 3 new janitors, already, learning the ropes, it would be great if somebody could compile all the changes and post them here just so we're all on the same page. I've been doing my best to go back and read as much as I can on IRC but we're going a mile a minute with everything, so having a very clear set of instructions will probably help us (and the users of /a/), from getting mixed up or being inconsistent.

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What do the users of the boards that you use the most tend to think about their moderation?
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I think it'd be a challenge to find a board where it isn't a resounding MODS = FAGS, maybe /a/ lately with the recent general purge.
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/qa/

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What do I win?
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>>5845
This excellent internet prize

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Not that it's related to moderation in any way, but are the software and finances of 4chan on-topic in /j/? Or should we just trust that technical issues being resolved in a separate channel by people who actually have access to the numbers?
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>>5656
the difference between a sustainable enterprise vs a profitable one.
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>>5652

>Even if it is just "we know nothing" it would at least settle my wandering heart.

Really disappointing that even an answer like this is unavailable.
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If 4chan was on the edge of the abyss, we probably would've heard more than a thread on /qa/ and misc irc talk.

J-List renewed, mods seem relaxed about the future and i see some fancy new things for the bandwidth crunch, so it'd be safe to trust that everything will be aight.
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>>5842
Yeah, I'm sure everything will be fire.
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>>5842
>J-List renewed, mods seem relaxed about the future and i see some fancy new things for the bandwidth crunch, so it'd be safe to trust that everything will be aight.

You forgot to also mention how the admin "bolstered the site's finances" and how "the site isn't in danger of going under financially any time soon"

Not falling for that again.

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What do you think of the bump limits and other parameters on the boards you use? For reference, the current bump limits are 750 on /qst/ and /vg/, 500 on /a/, /co/, /mlp/, /news/, /r9k/, /soc/, /sp/, /v/, and /vr/, and 300/310 on all other boards.

All regular boards (meaning not-/f/, which has 30 threads per page but only one page) have 10 pages and 15 threads per page except /pol/, which has 20. Image limits are 300 on /jp/ and /vip/, 250 on most "fast" boards and 150 on most other boards.

Thoughts / requests / comments?
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The 310 part is really dumb and I wish it would go back to 300.
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i always thought limits were already metered for balancing server load with discussion needs. thought has gone into setting those numbers the way they are, imo nothing needs to be changed
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>>5809
This.

Why 310? What are those 10 posts going to give users?

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I've been noticing a lot more politically charged posts in the last few months, even in places where it wouldn't normally foster political speak such as anime and vidya threads. I don't think it will let up for a while, even after the election so I was wondering if there's anything specific in place to address this.
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>>5380
If it really gets out of hand your best bet is to ping a mod rather than trying to clean it up yourself. Sometimes threads become salvageable and the only thing you can do is have a mod permasage the thread or delete it.
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>>5380
its really easy bait because everybody wants to voice their opinion about it

luckily i dont get as many MAGA hats on /jp/ as i'd expected because they adpoted momiji as a mascot for some reason
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Let the end begin
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Remember when politics would naturally crop up in all sorts of threads without the immediate injection of /pol/ memes and other assorted stupidity?

Yeah, me neither.
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Now we just weather the last of the storm.
Good luck janis

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Fellow /gif/ jannies, mods and globals:

Ever since /wsg/ was created, there have remained a number of threads on /gif/ that would be considered SFW, most commonly "You Laugh You Lose" and, more recently "You Groove You Lose" threads. Moderating these has become difficult, in my opinion, due to the lack of warning template for "SFW on Adult /gif/," giving me the impression that posters of these threads aren't getting the message.

Should we take a harder stance against these threads, and try to permanently push them to /wsg/? I know that the template isn't totally necessary, but I think that it would help.

I'd appreciate your thoughts on the matter. Sorry that I don't really know who the /gif/ jannies are, or I'd bring it up with you personally.
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>>5626
I'm also a /gif/ janitor. A couple of months ago, a mod told me to just delete the threads or ask for a mod to give a custom ban/warning (this was about YLYL with SFW content specifically).

I think adding a warning template for creating SFW threads (not necessarily SFW posts) would be convenient for allowing us to convey to people who are posting these threads that they should move to /wsg/, with out us having to contact a mod to ask for a custom warn. I'm pretty sure a couple of OPs have gotten custom warns/bans being told to fuck off with that shit to /wsg/, I normally just delete the threads which leaves the next thread saying "Where's the YGYL?". /gif/'s real problem is request threads, IT'S PISS, and racism/trolling. Which is all a worse offense than simply the YLYL and YGYL threads, but our bans/warns don't seem to deter a lot of those people so it's unlikely that warning people for posting SFW content will do any good.

tl;dr the template might help tell the OP to stop, but I don't think it's possible to push SFW threads off the board if it would have any effect at all.

Also, you should just say something in IRC! I have /gif/ as one of my highlighted words and I'm sure other janitors do that for their boards as well so you could always just ask who's on /gif/ and people might reply, even if it's a couple hours later. If you ask, I'll definitely reply when I see it.


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