How come there's no WR for reading a specific board's sticky? For instance on pol, the sticky says you cannot start a thread '"redpill me on x", with no additional information'I can only delete those threads, but the OP might not know why his thread was deleted and will just post it again or keep doing itI think if there was a WR for this, it would be goodI delete so many threads like this.
>>7937rather, a WR for NOT reading and adhering to a specific board's sticky
>>7937>the following are some examples of off-topic and/or /b/-tier threads:>off-topicUse off-topic.
>>7939it's not really off-topic, thoughif someone posts on pol "redpill me on the u.s. government", that's not off-topic, and if you simply delete it or just off-topic it, they won't really understand why their thread was deleted.
>>7940The sticky says it's off-topic if it's made in that format, likely because the thread will get derailed. I wouldn't worry about people not getting why their non-sticky compliant thread got deleted, people complain all the time about moderation even when you do have a specific rule with a specific reasoning for the specific type of moderation action taken against them.But to answer your original question, it doesn't have one because every other board specific rule falls under off-topic anyway, there's only redundancy for the sake of not banning anon for esoteric reasons (of which making a thread that the sticky expressly forbids isn't one of). Having a rule template just in case OP happens to make a thread which would have been otherwise on-topic wouldn't change the fact that it's still off-topic or that it's likely too specific a case to warrant a template.I would seriously not worry about anon not getting why his thread got deleted, if he bothered to read the rules or read the sticky he'd find out why.
A thread to discuss all things related to /ic/.
After digging through the archives, I think I've pieced together the "Tonyo" situation that's been popping up in the report queue in /ic/ for the past couple of weeks. I originally was clearing the related reports, but my current opinion is that we should be cleaning up the board by hitting posters with trolling. tl;dr This whole thing is a massive LARP to get people to nuke the art resources they've downloaded.I found this post, which helped me go back into the archive and figure out the chronology of things:https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5350027/#5351857 -- someone gives a rough estimate of the quote from the person who uploaded the MEGA in question, leading me to determine:The video course MEGA is the one that got taken down (again) in mid-April.https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5181374/ -- OP reposts the MEGA in February, stating that he has not been the person who consistently reuploads the contents and that he won't reupload it again after this point since it gets taken down frequentlyhttps://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5180339/#5183186 -- similar post from presumably the same personhttps://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5265226/ -- new thread edition in Marchhttps://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5265226/#5332490 -- from the same thread, the first post noticing that this iteration of the MEGA was taken down -- note, the date is Tue 13 Apr 2021 02:42:21 (4chan time)https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5332551/ -- thread goes up shortly after (Tue 13 Apr 2021 03:44:26) to start reassembling the contents from the MEGAhttps://boards.fireden.net/ic/search/text/tonyo/order/asc/ -- the first mention of "Tonyo" on /ic/ EVER is Tue 13 Apr 2021 07:04:49Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
These posts come in within the next couple of hours, which look like gargantuan bait in hindsight since no one furnishes any proof of the following claims:"Tonyo's site" was taken down, but no link or reference to a supposed domain is providedhttps://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5332551/#5332779 https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5332551/#5332815A "subforum" where "Tonyo" posts, but again, no reference to an actual site.https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5332551/#5332949https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5332551/#5332952 -- someone asks what the forum ishttps://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5332551/#5332988 -- ignores the question https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5332551/#5333007 -- the person asking realizes that his questions were dodged entirely"Tonyo" was arrested/vanned. Again, no screenshots, no links, nothing.https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5265226/#5332971https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/5265226/#5333055Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7877>>7878All it really comes down to is it’s just an inside joke belonging to the resources thread. Tonyo doesn’t exist and most people know that (at least I hope most people caught on). Someone asked who he was at one point and anons just made up things about the imaginary person and it snowballed from there. It’s just /ic/s latest forced meme.However it is starting to leak into something more than it shouldn’t have, involving other sub communities on the board. If you run into posts like that I would definitely hit those posts.
Has there been any consideration given to adopting a machine learning model that can identify potential rule breaking content and auto report it? Obviously given the current state of ML it would be difficult for a model to correctly assess whether or not something is a rule breaking post, but there are definitely some rules a bot could easily understand, like posting NWS images.Some of these models have been around for quite a while, and while I have no firsthand experience with them they claim to be pretty effective, like https://github.com/infinitered/nsfwjs which says it has a ~90% accuracy rate. There are quite a few models trained for this specific purpose, which are easily discovered by searching for them. I've even read articles about several social media companies that use "artificial intelligence" to identify things like child porn or gore and blocking them before they're even uploaded.The only potential problem I could think of with this is that some boards would have too many false positives due to the topics (/fit/ would likely have more false positives than a board like /mu/ or /biz/), but it would probably be possible to tweak the confidence percentages for these boards. Even if this wouldn't work for all blue boards, it could still be very useful on others where there isn't much of a reason to post images of humans, let alone scantily clad ones. Please let me know your thoughts in the comments below and don't forget to hit that subscribe button!
>>7254>autoreporting janny botI want this.But yeah, no automoderator, just autoreporter.
It's worth pointing out that the moderation in both major Japanese chans is mostly autonomous. For futaba, users click the del button on a post or thread as a kind of report, and if it collects enough del requests, it first gets hidden from the catalog/index but stays alive, and if it hits a second, higher target of del requests it gets deleted. 5ch meanwhile has no moderation at all, if something is illegal you can email the staff to take it down, or do the more common thing and use the Japanese police's internet tipline to notify them of it (which isn't weird, they've been aware of the site for like 20 years). These differences in moderation have had a massive effect on shaping both sites - people on 5ch complain that futaba is exclusive or "clannish" which makes sense because it's pure majority rule, and they even have a sort of like button on each post which reinforces the majority beliefs. 5ch meanwhile still feels like the wild west era of the internet: there's over a thousand boards, no post cooldown, no captcha, and it gets millions of posts every day. There's not a more user-driven site on the web, and I really admire how it works despite the flaws. Now, could these work on 4chan? Well, futaba's system probably not. The site is restricted to Japanese IPs, which are mostly static. Since most 4chan users have access to dynamic IPs nowadays, ban evading to spam del requests would be really easy, and very hard to prevent. We would not only have to keep the current set of banned IPs, but also limit requests from an IP range to 1 so people can't evade and spam delete requests. As for 5ch's system, this is actually way more realistic. It's just the current rules we have for /b/, but only rule 1 is enforced. An admin would be around to check for illegals now and then, and that's it. Honestly, this might not be bad. (1/2)
What seriously challenges this is the fact that 5ch has over a thousand boards, so traffic is extremely spread out and all the shitposting gathers in a few places. That would be impossible for us due to bandwidth limitations, any more than ~100 boards is unrealistic. Also, it's a lot easier to derail a thread with images than one with pure text. Since people would be less spread out than on 5ch, bitter arguments would be more common, and add images to that and it could become a mess. But then, that's part of the fun. I'm not even sure why this system works so well on 5ch, it just does. Most threads read like 4chan but there's no rules. It helps that most bots are autobanned/blocked, but still. A part of me feels like this system (and /b/'s) is the best format for a chan, little to no rules and the users run everything. It's why I wouldn't mind a looser set of rules across the site, users over-rely on moderation for quality control anyway and it's best to teach them to ignore what they don't like. The only rule that undeniably needs to be enforced is rule 1. It's an ambitious thought to say the least, but it answers the problem of autonomous moderation, and one of the biggest sites in Japan has functioned this way for years. Not to say this is a real proposal, but it's interesting, isn't it?(2/2)
>>7762>>7763too long didnt read plus youre janny
>>7766
why are you reading this post. is the queue at zero reports? get back to work janny. i am deducting this waste of company time from this months check.
>>7670Monthly check?
>>7674>not using dark themengmi
>>7670>is the queue at zero reportsYes actually
>>7678Who are you quoting?
Particularly the "title" segment, which is sometimes used for cunnyposting.I think we do this already with jpegs and exif? Would it be much work to do this with webm.
>>7628Ehhh I always leaned on file name for that.
>>7629Almost nobody except the original uploader names the file correctly. What exactly are they 'cunnyposting' in a short text metadata field, a url to CP?
>>7638It's just stuff like "i love cunny", etc, with the intention that another anon notices (and they do eventually). It is specially egregious in the context of clips of preschool shows where there is a fixation on some character (on /co/)
developer request: have sex
>>7628I've also used the title metadata for webms frequently for sauce, and removing it would be received as a feature degradation. It was intentionally included for this purpose, no?
lmao
People were able to somehow read posts/thread titles here for a while because of its odd indexing or some bug that got found by /g/ (its very buggy). The /test/ board is for devs testing things i dont think your missing much
>>7586Imagine wanting to get onto /j/
>>7598
>>7597>>7596hey nerds shut up
>>7603
>>7556don't do this, it's a virus
>>7557Do not listen to Antivirus-san, he's trying to keep the spooks all to himself.
>>7556Also, for 4chanX Bros, add this to your CSS to fix minor incompatabilities (recommended theme: Futaba):#header-bar.dialog { background-color: rgba(23,21,38,0.98) !important;}#header-bar, #notifications { color: #C49756 important;}.dialog { background-color: #171526 !important; border-color: #707070 !important;}.qr-link:hover {Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7559:root.werkTyme .catalog-thread:not(:hover), :root.werkTyme:not(.catalog-hover-expand) .catalog-thread, .catalog-hover-expand .catalog-container:hover > .post, :root.catalog-hover-expand .catalog-container:hover .catalog-reply { border-color: #707070 !important;}div.post div.postInfo span.nameBlock span.name { color: #dfbaba !important;}div.post div.postInfo span.subject { color: #dfbaba !important;}:root.catalog-hover-expand .catalog-container:hover > .post {Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7560.reply:target, .reply.highlight { background: #171526 !important;}
just what the title saysthis is the notes file I've been using and updating for about a yearplease note I started on /vg/ and added /d/ so some notes may be more relevant to certain boards than othersgeneral:tend towards the more specific rule and template when possible!refresh the report page regularly, not just when you finish it or have looked at all the threads; no more than ~20 minutes between refreshes"too early" for a general is before bump limitBR's give an automatic 15-minute mute to the poster, but their milder cousins don'tremember there's a 4chan.org/bans page, it lists some recent bans and gives insight into what's ban-worthyglobal 1:most types are PERMANENT, generic type is 30 daysuse the appropriate template!drawn stuff does not get a BR for 1! every flavor of 1 is for photographs, just different variationsComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
to clarify about suicide posts, I guess I never added it to the file, but you should always tell a mod if it seems like it's not a joke, because per site policy (and probably for legal reasons) we have to give them a specialized ban message with a suicide hotline number and if it is real then it's obviously time-sensitive
>>7080Get a mod to custom ban it. We like to add a suicide hotline number for the country of the poster if we can.If no mods are around and some time has passed then use GR3. We don't want the thread to stay up too long because anons will start encouraging OP
>>7076Unironically this
>>7073according to a mod:>GR3 is 3 days (except guro, which is 1 day), GR4 is 14 days, 5 day intra.
>>7504guro is a 1 day global. dubs is 1 day local. everything else in GR3 is 3 days global
staging area for banners. JANNIES GET OUT
>>7455This is the best one, just saying.
>JANNIES GET OUTno
>>7457who allowed u to post in here
There's been a huge uptick in dox posts on /pol/, mostly because of Twitter users like Skai Jackson doxing people they see as "problematic." This is causing a large amount of /pol/ threads and posts trying to counter-dox these Twitter users.The big problem is that many of these dox posts/requests on /pol/ are going completely unnoticed. Tonight there was a thread full of dox posts but the only things reported were four Pepe images for some reason. Threads about doxing often reach 100+ posts.Would it be a good idea to remind /pol/ in some way that posts containing addresses, discovered names, etc. are against the rules and should be reported? There are also users posting images and links to the Twitter doxing but not doing it themselves, which also violates the rule. I know something like this can cause a bit of a backlash, but I believe there will also be users spurned on that will report the posts.
For /e/, could there be a new WR-only template along the lines of:>Please provide at least 6 example images when creating a theme/request threadPerhaps mention to read the sticky if appropriate.Even though this is not listed as an explicit rule on the rules page, it is listed as a definite requirement in the board sticky, and is consistently enforced as a rule by both me and others who check the board. While I can warn for it being a request thread, it isn't as if threads are being removed solely for requesting something, but also for the OP failing to provide sufficient content to start a thread. So I feel that is a misleading warn. Also, while others and myself will inform the OP to read the sticky, I feel the frequency of this specific case is enough to directly inform OP through a warn as well.
>>7382There really isn't any repeat offenders who get warned/banned for GR16 when not posting enough images. It's just a problem that will always exist because of newfags who didn't lurk moar before posting./g/ has a board specific rule with a template re-stating GR16 like what you're suggesting, and I can assure you that it has no noticeable effect.
Gotcha, thanks for the response.
I set up 2FA when I created my account and confirmed it worked at that time. Today was the first time since creating my account that I had to restart my PC, about 3 weeks I think.I went to the reports page and had to enter my username and pass once, then again to use the BR button. I had to enter u:p again going to the login page but I've not had to enter my 2FA creds at all.Maybe my browser is storing it the session, I dunno.
>>7357in my experience, you only have to enter the 2FA when you go to the reports/login page after having fully logged out, not just being asked to log in again
>>7358Got the 'you must login first' screen today, the 2FA session probably lasts 30 days
If you see broken things post them in here and I will get around to them as soon as I can!
>>7342I've seen it pop up quite a few times on my end, never really put two and two together in regards to the settings refreshing.
>>7342I don't use mobile, as I described above this board selector will happen when you move the thread watcher on the catalogue page.
>>7344It doesn't matter if you're using mobile or not, for whatever reason it'll pop up on desktop at random. I still can't pinpoint exactly why or how it happens, it feels arbitrary.
>>7344As it turns out, you are right. Moving around the Janitor Tools IS what causes the board selector to turn into the mobile/dropdown version, at least on desktop. Not only that, but clicking the refresh button on the Janitor Tools also causes it to move slightly, therefore also triggering the dropdown board navigator. If it refreshes/expands, it might also cause it to move slightly. I believe the exact same things I mentioned with the Janitor Tools also applies to the Thread Watcher as well. All my tests are consistent with triggering this. I still don't know why the dropdown navigator causes a complete refresh of user settings though, it might have something to do with the catalog and thread/board settings being completely different.
>>7346More tests, while being logged out of the system (ie not having access to the janitor settings), moving from the default board navigator to the drop down navigator temporarily loads up the default settings before loading up the user's preferred settings. I think it doesn't know what to do with the extra janitor settings to it just sticks with the default settings.
Has the option of altering MD5 data when an image is uploaded ever been considered in regards to Barneyfag? That way, he won't be able to be alerted whenever an image in his database or whatever he uses is uploaded. He's not using recognition software; earlier today, there was an image that had around nine pixels in total that he recognized as belonging to a Derpibooru image, impossible to reverse search accurately.This has been going on for over half a decade now as an endless war of attrition. It's been getting worse the past month too.
Honestly half the fun is in posting part of an image you've pulled from derpibooru and seeing how long it takes to start handing over hit botnet's ips to the mod team.Last time I did it, we got 5 of his ips banned i think.
>>7288don't do this
>>7289cringe mod buzzkilling the fun
>>7295Janitors absolutely should not be antagonizing or baiting ANY users into breaking the rules. Barneyfag is no exception. Stop doing this.
>>7295You're not supposed to encourage shitposting.
Alright, so the Pokemon Anime Discussion Thread on /vp/ has become a serious issue, and it is the main source of clogs in the reports queue. Posters in the thread frequently falsely report and flame each other, resulting in off topic discussion they rarely discuss the Pokemon anime at all.I'm starting this thread because I'd like to discuss how to resolve issues with /padt/ so that it isn't so much of a toxic cesspool where users feel a need to abuse the reports system and to shit on each other, and I'd also like to catalog prevalent issues in detail. Additionally, I'd like to create a healthier environment where posters actually discuss the Pokemon anime itself instead of going off topic frequently. I do know that some options are to use /vp/ 1 and /vp/ 4 when requesting or placing bans, but I'm not sure if it's enough. Does /padt/ simply need stricter moderation and ban the more notorious posters that instigate shit continually, or are more drastic measures needed?Some of the more prevalent issues I've noticed are:1) Waifu and shipping shitposting, where users shit on each other for having a preferred waifu or ship, and other users instigate these arguments to happen. 2) Boogeymanposting, where users accuse each other of being some person like Scott, Duplica, Famon, etc.Both lead to constant flaming and false reporting.So what should be done? I believe if we're able to fix common issues in /padt/, we'll see less abuse of the report function by posters, and it won't clog the reports queue as much anymore.
>>7019I have a couple of ideas on what to do, but it requires the cooperation and agreement of all /vp/ janitors and moderators.1) "Reboot" /padt/. Have a public moderator start a new OP, and outline guidelines that posters are expected to follow in the future (e.g., no boogeymanposting). Also have it known that violations of these guidelines will result in swift bans and deletions. What these guidelines should be requires further discussion. Janitors and moderators would have to more closely watch the first few threads. 2) Discourage having a 24/7 active /padt/. Perhaps only allow /padt/ when new episodes are about to air or just aired (i.e., ±24 hours of broadcast). Users can still post about topics around the Pokemon anime regardless of whether there's an active /padt/ thread or not.3) Create a shipping general. This can contain shipping shitposting into one area without flooding /padt/ and make it easier to deal with. The major drawback of this is that it may not deal with the issue directly, and instead displaces it into a new area. Plus, Pokemon may not have a lot of discussion to warrant a shipping general to exist.4) More severely punish off-topic posting, flaming, and boogeymanposting. Also requires stricter moderation, but is softer and more discreet and works behind the scenes. I'm looking for critique, revision, and expansion on my ideas, as well as more ideas from other janitors and moderators. Eventually, I'd like to land on an idea that everyone can collective agree on being the best course of action. I'd also like to know if there are other issues with /padt/ that I missed, as I only focused on the most severe ones that lead to false reports and flaming.
BLATANT SHITPOSTER 101The AikatsufagMost recent example: https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/40223855/This shitposter was primarily most prominent during the XY era of /padt/ (2013-2016). This shitposter arose because Aikatsu used to air directly before new episodes of XY. As such, the Aikatsufag would frequently flood threads of /padt/ during dead hours or whenever moderation wasn't looking. In order to evade detection, the Aikatsufag would also flood images of Pokemon Performers/idols from the XY Pokemon Showcase/Triathlon arc, or other various Pokemon Coordinators such as Georgia before flooding with Aikatsu. The Aikatsufag will use justifications such as Aikatsu being "honorary on-topic" and falseflag complaining about moderators for not doing their jobs. Aikatsufag's posts will often go unreported since he floods so fast, so a close watch on /padt/ is necessary. Reminder: All Aikatsu posts in /padt/ are off-topic and should be ban requested for /vp/ Rule 1 and deleted on sight. If there are too many posts to handle, or if he is trying to evade detection, ask a moderator for help!
>>7182Side note: "Eggs and idles" is shorthand for Aikatsuposting, and should be handled similarly to AIkatsufag, i.e. Ban Requesting for /vp/ Rule 1 and Global Rule 10.
BLATANT SHITPOSTER 101Duplica/Duplica ImitatorsMost recent examples:https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/40342074/https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/40342112/https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/40343120/https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/40343182/https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/40344395/The actual Duplica is a well known ban evader, however, other imitators may employ similar tactics.This style of shitposting occurs most frequently on Sundays starting around 7:00 AM GMT, which is during dead hours for moderation. It primarily consists of falseflagging and triggering flamewars between XYfags and SMfags, as well as frequently starting new threads before the newest thread even reaches bump limit. Duplica may make minor edits to the OP copypasta in threads started by them, and complain about it being different. Additionally, they'll try to get users to move over into new threads. Such edits may include "[SS] subs are easily available on the usual sites. [PM] was subbing SM, but their releases never really happen anymore apart from the Pikarla episode."Duplica will also frequently reply to their own flamewar sparking posts, either in agreement or disagreement, or both, and will often mass reply as well. Duplica may also accuse others or even their own posts as being Duplica. Duplica will most often pose as an anti-XYfag, an XYfag, or as a Serenafag. No bias exists in Duplica's mind, their only end goal is to cause as much chaos as possible in /padt/. Their signature catchphrase is "That time again, huh?" (1/2)
>>7192To the average user, it is extremely difficult to tell what posts are or aren't Duplica posts, however, to Janitors, it can be simple. If one of their posts is submitted for a Ban Request, all their other posts under the same IP will say "[1 pending ban request]". When this happens, let a Moderator investigate and wipe all their posts, as they have tools that allow them to see what IP posted what post, as well as an archive of their recent post history. Note: Though Duplica will most commonly post under 1 IP, they may (rarely) also post under multiple IPs, which can make detecting Duplica posts a bit more difficult. Side note: For users that accuse each other as being Duplica, it is still against the rules under /vp/ Rule 4: Genwars/flaming! (2/2)