Delete button: Thread pruning sometimes requires multiple passes but the Delete button always returns me to page 0. It would be more helpful if the Delete button returned me to the thread I was in.
Since it was pointed out on the chat and I came across this problem before, the mods can't be aware of each board's traditions or memes, so sometimes a post may seem harmless to them but it is actually a shitpost or an attempt to derail.Instead of having to explain the situation at length on the IRC while BR'ing, there could be an easier solution to this.I was hoping maybe we could add an extra BR template that is essentially a blank and the janitor could fill it out to explain the situation to a mod. This template would only be used in cases where the janitor feels the post is not really obvious bait and would require context to be fully comprehended.It could also just be a case where a guy is maybe spamming unrelated images/info as an attempt to derail the thread. Normally the jani would have to BR one of the posts, delete the rest then try to find a mod in the IRC to explain what happened. Instead they could just use this template and say : "user was trying to derail, see posts >>xxxxxxx and >>xxxxx , etc. that were deleted"I imagine it would also be a whole lot easier and faster for the mods to go through the BR queue if they have an explanation already prepared when they see the request.
>>4844Alternatively, a 'comments' section in the existing BR templates for if a janitor feels it necessary to provide additional context for a BR.A blank template may be begging for abuse, but a simple comments field could be a more direct solution, as sometimes making contact through IRC can be difficult.
>>4844>>4845I know that there has been a move away from custom ban templates, against giving tools to janitors that blur their class between end user and moderator, but I do think something like this would be useful.Especially at night, there are large gaps in moderation. Of course, it will never completely go away but it wasn't uncommon to see only 6 or 7 OPs a few weeks ago, and even now there sometimes are only one or two mods, who will go through the ban queue once an hour or longer. I'm not trying to blame or put pressure on mods - it's an incredibly demanding task to balance the needs of 4chan and always will be, but it's also tough for the mod who does it to go through specific bans for boards he is unfamiliar with. People find new ways to shitpost everyday, even mods familiar with their own board are not aware of every intricacy. It is only more work for them to have to go through IRC to read everything and every detail of each ban, and we can't expect them to be aware of the intricate details of every small subculture in one general on one board.We either need something to streamline this, or more mod support at night. I've noticed this for other large boards as well, but often there are just one of us active going through huge report queues and it's not easy or feasible to go through 100 or more by yourself if nobody is able to check who's evading, or samefagging and shitting up a thread, having to give details for 3 or so ban requests, even pinging fellow janitors isn't always available for getting an opinion on something or asking about something you are unfamiliar with, dealing with raids and CP, etc.I know this is likely a complaint old as time for /j/, 'we need more mods online' and so on, I don't know how other janitors feel so I figured I'd ask. You have to make a lot of potentially risky judgment calls (that or leave those posts up for however long) when there are no mods, or even fellow janitors, for a large board.
>>4849There are many situations where you are told to 'ping a mod' to refer to something, even on /j/ threads which I often lurk for context on many things, I see old threads saying "lets compile common questions here" but people replying "the IRC is here for your questions' but there is often nobody around for your specific board at night to ping and ask. Best you can do is ask a fellow janitor, which helps in some cases, but not board specific ones.
>>4849>>4844>>4845I agree with this. During early CET morning there's not enough mods for "ping a mod" to be a valid answer for anything. More than often I've found myself in need of help while not a single mod was available for hours, and there's so much stuff going on with each board that I don't understand why a ban request comment is not yet implemented.Sure, we should not BR something if it's not immediately obvious that a post is breaking a rule, but more than often in one of my boards it happens that someone starts making very different threads with a common subject in order to shit everything up, or it happens that a proxy-jumping anonymous evader starts samefagging and jumping IPs in the same thread and the only way to tell is from context and knowledge of the board, that a mod going through the queue might not have.>>4850Janitors are not equipped to fight spam - we simply do not have the tools to do it - so asking another janitor for help is not really useful, even more so knowing that in the dead hours where there's no mod available, there's also a huge lack of janitors and at most there's one person per board if you're lucky.
Hail my fellow barons of baked pizza pastries and purple palm tree men.I'd like to take the time to discuss a meta topic that might require a procedural change in the coming future, namely the continuation of girlfriend sharing threads. These are threads that are made consistently on /hc/ and less often on others like /s/.Basically, my concern stems from the possibility of these threads being centers for retaliation and doxing, as well as being hubs for revenge porn of underage girls. Most of the time there is no way to validate or investigate the origin of these nude images, and I believe there may be many instances of underage but pubescent girls being posted.I'm inquiring whether or not porn board janitors should have to run the gambit of letting CP slide because the age of the models are ambiguous. I don't want to say I support a blanket ban on the subject itself, but it seems to me that the very nature of these threads are a honeypot for anonib types spreading nude selfies of classmates and former girlfriends. And especially in the case of /hc/, these threads aren't necessarily on topic, but I've let them slide because contribution is sometimes more important than falling lock-step into the purpose of the board.
Also check those dubs.
Personally I think the rules are clear enough on this matter already, although perhaps stickies could be updated so that they all explicitly reference all the /s/ rules & stickies, including those for off-topic (higher resolution etc. as this seems to be a very good way of reasonably ridding the board of most low quality amateur images), doxing collages/names/facebooks and teens/underage. Except for resolution, which should imo be added to /hc/, these are the rules followed all over the site so I don't think reiterating them hurts.>I believe there may be many instances of underage but pubescent girls being posted.If you are unsure of whether any image is underage you should seek advice from a mod as a matter of priority. I don't believe there are many instances of underage content being posted and not caught but the possibility is ever present and seeking advice is always helpful. I would rather a mod delete content which could be underage if they are unsure than for me to br/delete for the same reason - especially so if I am unsure, even if just because fresh eyes/post/ban/history could reveal more.>I'm inquiring whether or not porn board janitors should have to run the gambit of letting CP slide because the age of the models are ambiguous.As above, if the age of any content is ambiguous ask for advice, the same for if you suspect doxing or are unclear of anything. I am only saying this because you yourself say that you believe there may be underage/ambiguous content being posted, not to be disrespectful or critical in any way.>these threads aren't necessarily on topic, but I've let them slide because contribution is sometimes more important than falling lock-step into the purpose of the board.I'd really like a mod to explicitly state this, or not as the case may be, but I don't think this should be happening - the rules of 3dpd boards should be followed explicitly, precisely to remove any ambiguity in the rules through incorrect action or inaction.
Yesterday, I noticed that the janitor tools box with the reports does not follow me to the catalog, only in individual threads and where only the first 10 threads are displayed. The link to /j/ also disappears in the catalog. No settings changed on my end. Any suggestions?
>>4558I think someone said a couple of months ago in #janiteam that it was a very minor bug and not a priority for the devs. It's worth mentioning that using 4chanX' own catalog instead of the site's default catalog does "fix" both issues.
And now it's fixed itself/somebody else fixed it. If it's the latter, thanks random mod!>>4560I'll keep that in mind if it happens again. Thanks.
Does the 2FA support clients other than google authenticator, IE Duo?Contemplative theme:https://soundcloud.com/bobaboyz/hot-pocketz
Duo Mobile works.
This question may have been asked and answered at some point in the past before, so please excuse me.I monitored the /vg/ archive and was quite disappointed to find many scam, request and begging threads. I just stumbled upon an archived thread that should have been ban requested. Since the thread was archived, the user information was pruned, so there was nothing I could do other than actively delete the thread in question.Will janitors eventually get the ability to ban request archived posts?
You cannot retroactively ban request or ban users for posts that appear in the archive. No posting information that 'live' posts contain (such as your IP address) is retained on the servers once they drop off into the archive.
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My favorite picture of our Moots because of obvious reasons. Lol.
Congratulations!;_;7
Hey janitors. I bought this cat from Goodwill and it reminded me a lot of what you guys look like. Thought I might share it with everyone. :^)
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AYY LLMAO
I'm the /o/ janitor, I'll be out of the country between 14 April and 23 April or so, assuming I don't get stuck in Narita waiting for a ride home.I can repost this closer to the dates in question, if that is more convenient for whoever is concerned with these things.
I used to work in the early mornings, but for the duration of the summer we're going to have a lot more business. So 4 days a week I'll work 10am - 6pm MST. I'll be on during the evenings and before work.
/o/ again, will be out of pocket 8-21 July, but I'll try and get on now and then and clean up.
/r9k/ Janitor here, I'll be in and out for the next few days (July12-17.) I'm going to get on as often as I can, but it won't be much.
/cm /y and a dash of /x janitor here.My monitor has to be fixed on my laptop so I'll be shipping it off tomorrow. They said usually it will be up to 7-10 business days to fix, then 3-5 more to ship back. The whole monitor needs replacing. Some kind of hardware malfunction causing discoloration and it's not even a year old...Yeah, so starting tomorrow, I won't be on for a couple of weeks, at the most I think. Fingers crossed. I got my agreement signed. Good thing I waited until the last minute to send my it off. LOL. And I'm on some kind of a Pacific Rim kick right now. Forgive me.
>>4493I'm baaaaaaaaaaack! Much quicker than expected with a nice new monitor!
U jelly?
>>4471>he doesn't buy his hot pockets by the pallet
>>4471Funny, I'm about to eat some philly cheesesteak pockets and some potato salad for dinner>>4474>purchasing
>>4471
Disgusting.Love the American plate, though.
>tfw you've never had a hotpocket and it's like there's an emptiness in your life.
I'm making this thread to point out one particular troublemaker but if any other /vg/ janitors find some guy doing strange things worth dealing with feel free to post 'em too.Pic related is a guy known as "copypasta spammer" in /xivg/, the Final Fantasy XIV General. As his name implies, he reposts posts in /xivg/ repeatedly. The reposts come from multiple IPs but given how the general reacts to him he's likely just spamming the general from multiple IPs. Banning is only a momentary relief but hey, that's true with most chronic problems on /vg/.Just putting that out there as a heads up for why fxi posts in the fxi general are getting BR'd in the first place rather than me just being senile. Also important to note: If on /vg/ you see a report for a post quoting a large number of posts in /xivg/, its one of their regulars looking to point out the spammer(s). Not saying he's helping appropriately but I think its worth mentioning.
FN@Fgen is becoming problematic. The simplest way to put it is that FN@F has become exactly what Morenatsu gen was when it was removed. There's very little discussion about the game itself (in a lot of threads there is none). Instead this general is used to write furry fanfiction, share images that are very furry in nature but use just enough loopholes to not be BR'able, or just straight imgur links to NSFW furry art.Morenatsu was removed for being furry general, and FN@F is pretty much on the same level now, except it is generating more reports by far and clogging up the report queue each night. Here's just a portion of last night's FN@F reports.
Here's another bunch that was waiting for me tonight when I got home. There was some more I didn't get in the screencap. Two nights ago was even worse where there were multiple people outright posting blatantly NSFW furry art.Am I out of line in thinking that a general that uses their thread not to talk about the game it sprang from, but to post furry porn, furry fanfiction, request what furry porn they'd like to see more of, should be removed?
>>4394>>4395I agree that FN@F is becoming problematic. Compared to old Morenatsu generals, this general gets like 20x more reports while Morenatsu was relatively quiet.I deleted some furry images yesterday and warned them it wasn't video games, I don't know if I was in the right to do so but it was like kicking a wasp's nest (they started spamming hotpockets garbage and burnt pizzas). They said they will be emailing moot shortly to complain about the janitor.
>>4395Another night of blatantly off topic furry shit, and report abuse spam. Other then this, the thread was being used for a weird CYOA type thing and mostly as an image dump with minimal to no actual discussion happening.
>>4399forgot my image whoops
After a small discussion in the IRC, I've realized a few of us have been using BR'S as way to warn someone when no immediate ban is needed. What I mean is, if someone is contributing to a thread with on topic material and shit-posting every so often in between do they really need to be banned? -What if deleting these posts only eggs the poster on, or alludes him to think he/she is immune from the rules? I've seen this very scenario happen a few times and I think I may have found a solution.A warning button.If a poster is breaking a rule it results in a BR, which can have them banned for a day or more. Sometimes I feel a post doesn't warrant a ban but does need to be removed. In these instances I delete said post and carry on, however this does often result in, "WHY WAS MY POST DELETED? FUCK YOU JANI/MOD"Which again, is breaking a rule and starts a shit-show of off topic discussion. I hate having it escalate to that point so in the IRC I brought up the discussion of a warning button, with good feedback. I was instructed to do a write-up here and await results.I know certain boards like /r9k/ dish out warnings for unoriginal posts and will mute a poster for a certain amount of times, and add time as offenses increase. I was wondering if there would be a way to integrate a lo-fi version of this into our tools.The first warning could just let the poster know what they are doing is breaking a rule, and give them the benefit of the doubt with no penalty, only escalate from that point forward.I understand this system could be abused pretty easily, but if we stuck to it like we did the rules I think we'd have a lot less 'culture' drama from certain boards.Also if this is not feasible or plausible please let me know and I will delete this thread and never bring it up again. (Or a mod can!)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
I agree with this idea but I also have a proposal for another feature which I am not sure is even possible:It would be nice to be able to delete "trees" of posts. By that I mean, say somebody posts dubs and every reply to him is dubs, or some dumbass thing:There should be a button to delete that post, and all replies to that post.The problem with this is that I'm not sure it's easy to do, just knowing how 4chan operates.
>>4143That's way too destructive a feature for janitors to have. If you need to delete more than one post at once, use the checkboxes.
>>4144I have, but when you have a lot of posts to take action against (particularly when you're trying to save a thread from a cross-board shitstorm or spam) it can be rough on the finger.I don't think it's any more destructive than what we have now. Doing it manually is simply harder.
>>4145If you delete a tree of replies with a single click you can have no idea what you're deleting along with it. It could be a huge number of posts or contain good content that just happened to quote one of the offending posts. "Delete all" and similar are just not janitor-level abilities.
The new warning checkbox is a godsend. Thank you based overlord for this new tool, my life has become 300% easier.
All reports handled
Posting and reporting were down, so why not.
>>4101that still counts. Jazzy!
>>4101Yeah but how long did it stay that way?
Team effort.
>>4128Hell yes!
We've been seeing a lot of inappropriate use of the Global 3 - Garbage outside of /b/ template, and it's not hard to see why. The rule is a giant paragraph with all sorts of little clauses and a lot of subjectivity. So this thread should give you a better idea of the sorts of situations in which you'd use this template, and in what situations you shouldn't use it.You should use Global 3 for:1. Furry, guro, loli, and shota content on NWS boards, other than /b/. This content is allowed NOWHERE except for /b/. However, when this sort of porn being posted on work-safe boards, then it is more instructive to the user if you just use Global 5; porn is porn after all. That way they can be sure they are getting banned for the image they posted, and not some other reason.2. Troll posts and trolling. This is where the majority of the misuse of this template comes in. Just because a post in a heated discussion gets reported, it doesn't necessarily mean that the user is trolling, or that you have to do anything at all. Remember: people are allowed to argue, people are allowed to disagree, and people are allowed to have contentious opinions. Be lenient and give people the benefit of the doubt. People come to 4chan because they want to post in a relaxed and permissive environment and because of this it's natural for people to be a little abrasive and in-your-face here. This is the internet hate machine we're talking about after all; people are probably going to be jerks to one another from time to time. But if we banned everyone who was being a bit of a jerk, there'd be no one left.So try to reserve ban requests for trolling for the very worst examples of trolling, like when someone starts a new thread to insult all of the posters on the board, or to post some horribly obvious bait in a really inflamatory way, such that the board's posters can't resist replying to it. For replies to an otherwise OK thread, be very hesitant to ban request for trolling. Often when someone is losing an argument, or their butt gets a little hurt, they'll report the other person out of spite. We don't want to accidentally reward this behaviour. However, if it's clear that the only goal of the person is to derail and destroy a thread by posting a bunch of insulting and inflammatory garbage, and not to actually present their real thoughts on the topic, then you can consider ban requesting them for global 3.3. Gore or shock images/gifs. Sometimes people will post this sort of crap in threads they don't like just to ruin them for everyone else. If it's clear that the poster's goal is simply to ruin the thread, this counts as a form of trolling. An example might be someone posting a torture gif in a fetish thread on /soc/, along with comments insulting people who are posting in the thread, or perhaps posting images of dead cats in a cat thread on /an/. Of course, most gore and shock images/gifs count as NWS, so it goes without saying they should be removed from work-safe boards.4. Indecipherable text. This DOES NOT deserve a ban, merely deletion. If someone is posting with extreme overuse of texting shortcuts, abbreviations, etc, to the point of it being completely indecipherable to the average person, then all you need to do is to delete the post. The person can try again in English. I want to make it clear that we don't expect perfect Oxford English or anything of the sort; using abbreviations and common internet shortcuts is fine (mfw, tfw, lol, kek, etc), and we don't expect people to use proper spelling, punctuation, capitalization, etc, at all times. All we ask is that their posts be legible to the average person, so that's a pretty low bar. If you can understand what they're saying, leave it alone.5. Racism & /pol/ outside of /pol/. When targeting racism, you need to target the intent of the poster, and not merely the words that are being used. For instance, someone saying "aww yeah my nigger" or "fuck you nigger. asuka a shit." is not being racist, whereas someone saying "niggers are inferior and need to be exterminated" is being racist. They're both using the same word, but with very different meanings. If we wanted to target words, we'd just use a filter. We need you to use your judgement as to whether it is the poster's intent to insult, denegrate, or incite hatred or violence against a group of people. If it isn't, then leave it alone.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>4093>>4095Oh and btw, Im assuming you arent referring to the global 3 - dubs/get ban post I can see on there for /sp/, because that would be an obvious error as that post isnt a dubs/get post.
>>4023Yes; this is different than just posting a normal image of a cartoon character.
>>4095>>4096I certainly didn't intend any disrespect; I was just looking for clarification. If someone makes one post, telling someone to go to /asp/, I just normally delete it. If they do keep it up, I indeed do BR.
>>4098This rule covers a lot of ground and is open to interpretation, if you need clarification relating to specific users/boards and/or bans, please contact a mod via irc.
>>4098>>4093I'll reply since I was the mod who issued the ban.WBCF (Worlds Biggest Cowboys Fan) is a troll who likes to shitpost in threads of sports he doesn't like (usually European sports). He had done this in other threads that day so the extensiveness earned him a GR3 ban.No disrespect taken, it is only through discussing these things open and honestly that we can get a better understanding of what is correct.>If someone makes one post, telling someone to go to /asp/, I just normally delete it. If they do keep it up, I indeed do BR.Your instincts are correct here, I would continue to follow them. As always, PM a mod if you don't understand or would like to see examples of specific infractions or deciding between using "off topic" and GR3
Since there appears to be some confusion amongst the posters regarding the official policy of generals on /vr/, could a modpost stating that official policy be made? From what I understand the official policy is that they're allowed, since the general rules only apply to /v/ and none of the /vr/ generals would have any shot at surviving in /vg/. I didn't pastebin a post like I did for the /diy/ sticky since I didn't feel qualified to write out the official policy. To give an idea for those unfamiliar with /vr/, there are a number of retro generals on /vr/, including the Doom general (the most active of the bunch, each thread lasts 1-3 days usually, they wait until the thread is on page 8 before creating a new one), the Quake general, the Rollercoaster Tycoon general, the HOMM general, the Repair/Mod general, the /vr/ Gauntlet general, the Shmup general, the Final Fantasy Remnants general, the UFO Defense general, the City Building general, the Tibia general, the Game Center CX general, the CRT general, the Buy/Sell/Trade general and the Recent Finds general.The generals last from the fastest of about 1-3 days (the Doom generals) to well over a month (the HOMM generals, UFO Defense generals) before reaching bump limit.
>>4080Another /vr/ janitor hereNote that although the list of generals may seem to be large at first glance, the board isn't actually cluttered with them. Page 1 really only tends to have the Doom general on top since it's the only one consistently active.On /vg/, these generals would simply NOT survive, even the Doom general is too slow. Most people on /vr/ have no problem with the generals, however, there is one really obnoxious guy constantly spamming the Doom general and complaining about it's existence on /vr/A mod post explaining that the ban on generals only applies to /v/ would help to silence him and prevent the thread from being repeatedly derailed with this drama.
>>4081If this issue concerns an annoying person, ping a mod next time you see them. We can give them a warning, it will be more effective. A modpost would likely derail the thread, and we wouldn't want that.
>>4082I was thinking perhaps a second post in the sticky thread, regarding all generals, versus replying to a single poster. But it's up you mods/admins.
>>4081>>4082Having a mod warn the one guy bitching about generals is better than modposting or adding to the sticky. Any overt policy change we make tends to invite drama and stupidity, so I'd like to avoid them where possible. If the issue can be resolved by just quietly informing one person that yes, generals on /vr/ are fine, then that's the best course of action.
We are currently encountering a particularly pervasive problem on /tv/.Someone is spamming the board with the same images and the same text over and over again for hours on end with above average dedication.For those that haven't seen it, it's a repeatedly Photoshopped picture of Christian Bale with the text being "LET MY DOUBLES GO". It's basically more constant doubles spamming.The Janitors on /tv/ are currently unable to keep it under control via regular deletion when it crops it.It may also be likely he is using a bot program.I'm asking if something can be done about this, such as temporary filtering of his typical chosen text, or any other suggestions /j/ can provide on getting this problem under control. Because as it stands just regular deletion and ban-requests are not working.
https://sys.4chan.org/j/thread/1329.html
With /tv/ and /sp/, this is unfortunately something that comes with the board. Not too long ago, (And still) It was Bane, >for free, etc. This will probably be something that is a tough filter. The best course of action is when you see the catalog being spammed, ping a mod. We are better equipped to deal with the spam, and can help out.
