jakparty.soy admin - September 18th 2022:

I'm sorry to disturb you while you are on vacation, but I believe that a
matter of great importance has come up.

It's come to my attention that my site is being shilled along side CP
spam raids on soyjak.party. It's also come to my attention through a
recent manager post that one of the CP spammers has been found.

I'd like to make it clear that I do not condone the advertisement of my
site in such a way, I have made a post about it on my /meta/ board
awhile ago (https://jakparty.soy/meta/thread/281.html) about the subject due to 
one user's shilling raid being near another CP spam raid. I fear that
someone malicious is attempting to abuse the seperation between our
sites to ruin both of us. For my, your, and our userbase's sake this
cannot be allowed to happen.

Since the post by the manager was rather vague, I'd like to know if me or
my site was implicated in any way with this raid other than the raider's
shilling attempts. I would also like to lend a hand where I can in
discovering the true culprit behind the CP spam.

Over all, I just hope this issue can be resolved swiftly and civilly. Do
write back when you can. Thank you for your time.


Kuz - September 18th 2022:

I had to interrupt my day to address the child porn spam coming from 
people shilling your website. I find it very hard to believe that people 
are just randomly decided to give you free advertising and then post CP 
a few hours. Also, DDoSing is a federal crime.

I wish you would just leave me and my site alone. I went on vacation so 
people would stop complaining about my presence and then I have to come 
back because someone posted daisys destruction. You lie about me 
incessantly and then whenever you or users of your website come to spam 
CP on the sharty, scarring innocent teenagers for no other reason than 
just to break it up even more, you have the gall to email me. If you 
want to better explain your situation or why your doing what your doing 
then go ahead. I'd like if you would just stop this shtick altogether 
and just talk to me about what your so mad about. I've done everything I 
can to please the users of this site including my critics.

jakparty.soy admin - September 18th 2022:

Kuz, I am sorry that this is taking an actual toll on you. I do not mean
any harm to you personally. I understand your suspicion of my motives,
especially after there have been people who tried to use my sites name
to do something overtly illegal on yours.

The DDoSer was a person who used my site, I have banned them for their
attack on yours. I do not wish for my site to become a hub of
criminality. 

I believe that there have been some coincidences and overt harm done by
those shilling my site. I do know that one soyteen opted to shill my
site with one of our banners and almost instantly after a CP raid
happened. I believe that to be a coincidence. I have seen some proof
that the current cp spammer is posting the name of the site along with
his CP. I believe this to be malicious intent to try to drag my site's
name through the mud and cause more drama between us. I don't want there
to be anymore illegal problems like these between our sites and I'm willing to
help you make sure of that.

>You lie about me incessantly 
If you wouldn't mind pointing out any falsehoods I have stated, I'd be
glad to discuss them. I may be misinformed about some aspects of you or
the current administration. If I have said something overtly incorrect,
and you have changed my mind on the fact, I will be willing to take back 
those statements and correct them publically.

>then whenever you or users of your website come to spam CP on the sharty, scarring innocent teenagers for no other reason than just to break it up even more
I personally have never spammed CP on your site. I am unsure if users of mine have
attacked yours in this way. If they have, I'll gladly get rid of them. I
do not want to give them a place to reside and fester.

I only wish to offer an alternative to soyteens, not antagonize and
attack. That does more damage to the soymunity as a whole than it does
good. I don't want to facilitate harm, I don't want to orchestrate harm,
I don't want to harbor harm. I wish only to compete in a fair and
non-hostile way.

>If you want to better explain your situation or why your doing what your doing then go ahead. I'd like if you would just stop this shtick altogether and just talk to me about what your so mad about. I've done everything I can to please the users of this site including my critics.
I have fear of the consolidation of alt-chans that comes with your
presence. Diversity of imageboard owners is a virtue in my eyes in case
something happens. I have a feeling you may contest this perception of
you, feel free to.

The moderation on the sharty was very restrictive, then very loose, then
went to a place that a bit of a middle ground. I wish for very loose
moderation on the sharty since I believe that the chaos will bring about
better 'jakking. Things have gotten better over time, I have to admit
that, but the inconsistancy at first was not very reassuring. Thus, I
remain skeptical.

I enjoy some of the slowness of smaller boards a bit akin to how it was
in early 2022. The sharty now is a bit too fast for my liking. This is a
minor reason I host.

To some extent, I hold nostalgia for the early soot era of
administration and the general feel of the site. I want to emulate that
on my site.

I actually enjoy administration of imageboards like these. I was tempted
to make it more generalist over time as well as to make it unique.

I probably have more things I could drum up for why I host my alt-chan
as well, but that's what comes to mind first.

>I've done everything I can to please the users of this site including my critics.
I do genuinely believe this about you even if I disagree with your policies. I hope
we may discuss this problem and come to some form of conclusion.

Again, I am sorry for any trouble my site has personally brought you. I
do not wish to make you miserable or kill your site, only offer an
alternative for those discontent with your administrative style. I hope
that this email can a method of opening communications and ease tensions.


Kuz - September 20th, 2022:

Admin, I have really had it up to here with you. Last night, people used 
your website to organize a raid where hundreds of interracial porn, cp, 
and of course shill images for your site have been posted. Since your 
plea to me I have withheld the NSS from completing the work that needs 
to be done to stop this from happening, because you signaled to me you 
would. Put an end to this immediately or I will put an end to your 
website, you are orchestrating the posting of child porn which you then 
report to my domain registrar and the safety of the site is at risk. I 
do not care if you personally clear your hands of this, your refusal to 
put an end to the people doing it on your site and the massive benefits 
youd recieve if you killed the party make you guilty.

Do not make me threaten you, I take this CP spam stuff very seriously 
and I will not hesitate to deal with you as I dealt with Robert Brown. I 
will use all my resources to find you and those you enabled. This is 
your last chance

jakparty.soy admin - September 20th, 2022:

I am attempting to locate the source of the cp raids being organized on
my site. I fail to see any, that may just be due to a failure on my
part. If you can give the specific areas where these horrible actions
are happening, I'll gladly suppress them to the best of my ability. I
don't want my site's name tainted with such debauchery. It's appauling,
immoral, and illegal.

I'm going to reiterate this. I don't wish to harm your website. 
I don't wish to host those who harm your website. I don't think 
any witch hunts are necessary, only cooperation between us. Neither 
of us are happy with this situation, I don't think either of us 
should be antagonizing eachother.

If you take me down, I doubt the CP raids would stop. Someone is hell
bent on attacking the soyjak community. I have made it specifically
clear that I don't want to attract people during CP raids. I am willing
to do more if you can point me in the direction on what to do. I am not 
your enemy in this situation. 

>you are orchestrating the posting of child porn which you then report to my domain registrar
I have done no such thing. I have had a similar incident happen to me
recently as well with accusations of filling the wiki with child porn
being sent to my providers. I believe both of us are under attack by the
same person and I plea for you to not escalate this for everyone's sake. 


On cooperative note, I would like to bring to your attention a tool I have
been looking over that can be used to check uploads by perceptual hash. 
https://github.com/facebook/ThreatExchange
It's Facebook's PDQ, a perceptual hashing algorithm for videos and
images. I believe it is useful for countering CSAM. 
Facebook hosts their own instance usable by APIs:
https://developers.facebook.com/docs/threat-exchange/getting-started

I suggest you show this to your developers and see if this tool would
help in automatically countering CSAM material. 

I understand your anger with this situation. You don't want to deal with
this, I don't want to deal with this, however coming after me and my
website is not going to solve our problems. Please work with me, direct
me towards any offenses happening on the infastructure I control, and
discuss with me on what either of us can do to help fix this. I will
deal with offenders to the best of my ability. I don't want to harbor
them.

Kuz - September 20th, 2022:

Last night, over 100 threads with "jakparty.soy" shill images attached 
to them were posted. How is this in any way supposed to signal a 
cooperative attitude to me? I dont have any thing against competitor 
websites, I made friends with the admins of frenschan (And bstall when 
it was around) and allowed them to "shill" their sites legally and 
peacefully. I was ready to do the same with you but you (or your users) 
decided to go the way of trying to wipe the catalog, insert hidden links 
inside soyjaks, spamming the report function with over 2000 links to 
jakparty which slowed down our ability to delete the CP that was also 
posted, and others. This is just talking about the things specifically 
related to your site in particular, not even considering the CP issue.

Theres also the 9chan.tw bunker, the 8kun bunker, and others. They are 
all practical, working bunker boards for the site. Jakparty didnt try to 
go their way, instead you tried to carve out your own chunked up bit of 
the site under the false and libelous pretense of me "censoring the main 
site" and supposed support for soot, even though he is a friend of mine 
who has been helping me in the moderation of the 'party up until 
recently when he got busy. Not to mention his continued collaboration 
with the upcoming Q&A, which, FYI, he will announce on soot.soy. None of 
it makes sense.

When I think of this I think of 8chan. A once thriving, vibrant 
community now is dead because its community split into hundreds of 
smaller, deader altchans who all compete with eachother. Do you want 
this to happen to the party?

You again say you dont want the site to be hurt, but the actions of your 
users (who have your support judging by recent posts) spamming jakparty 
links forced me to ban tor again, which harms numerous other people. 
Your sites mere existance (which only lures in its few users under the 
false assumption that its somehow "free-er") does harm to the community 
by giving its worst users (CP spammers, UTTP raiders, shills, and bbc 
porn spammers) a place to ally with and regroup to attack our main site.

I was there when you made the site and i've seen what you post (with and 
without your capcode). You didnt make the site for "decentralization" 
(which is stupid, because under soot the wiki, booru, bunker, and main 
site were owned by him, and under me, all 4 are owned by different 
people), you made it to compete with the sharty, using the people who 
dislike me as a way to jumpstart by advertising it as "kuz free". Your 
site has been nothing but a harm to the sharty from its inception. Why? 
Why didnt you just try and talk to me beforehand and settle our 
differences that way?

Im frustrated not only at the cp, but at the drama your site caused and 
causes on a daily basis, and the harm its doing by fracturing the site.

jakparty.soy admin - September 20th, 2022:

I was not aware there was an attack on your reporting infastructure. I
do sympathize with this and apologize on the behalf of my userbase for
this. I'll be updating our rules and making an anouncement to ensure
that this type of attack is known to not be appreciated and not to be
used in any raids due to its hampering of moderator ability to remove
illegal material.

For the other issues such as catty wiping and stealth shilling, i'd like
to remind you that similar tactics have been used by soyteens for quite
some time to raid other websites. I believe this, to some extent, is
fair game due to that long standing tradition. It's just in 'jakker
blood to be obnoxious like that. We can discuss this matter in more
detail, I am all ears on the subject.

>Theres also the 9chan.tw bunker, the 8kun bunker, and others. They are all
>practical, working bunker boards for the site. Jakparty didnt try to go
>their way, instead you tried to carve out your own chunked up bit of the
>site under the false and libelous pretense of me "censoring the main site"
>and supposed support for soot, even though he is a friend of mine who has
>been helping me in the moderation of the 'party up until recently when he
>got busy. Not to mention his continued collaboration with the upcoming Q&A,
>which, FYI, he will announce on soot.soy. None of it makes sense.
I believe the "sootism" thing is just a joke for most people. Most
people know that you and soot are on decent terms. It doesn't even make
sense either if someone is a "sootist" when soot handed control of the
site over to you.

I like to believe it's more symbolic of the nostalgia for the earlier
time in sharty history when things were better. It's just that, a joke
aesthetic used for fun.

>When I think of this I think of 8chan. A once thriving, vibrant community
>now is dead because its community split into hundreds of smaller, deader
>altchans who all compete with eachother. Do you want this to happen to the
>party?

I don't want 'jakking to die. I do want alternatives to crop up so
'jakking isn't centralized into one area where it can easily die. If you
gave up on the site tomarrow and handed over to some nutter, they could
kill it faster than the government killed 8chan. Yes we soyteens are
guests to other sites, but there really isn't a replacement for an
independent /qa/-like site.

Also, there are those disgruntled with the administration of your site
for various reasons. I think everyone has their own reasons and
appeasement of all is not going to do much as that'll piss others off.
It's really hard to tell what people want when you're dealing with
anonymous shitposters. A joke can be seen as serious and what is serious
can be seen as a joke. 

However, I'm personally sympathetic to the changes that have been made
recently in regards to relaxing the rules. I think the posting quality
has gone up a bit since this to how things were before. I appreciate
that, but, I don't know if it'll stick. Maybe it does, and soyjak.party
beats jakparty.soy by simply being a better site. Honestly, I hope that
happens. But, if it doesn't, then so be it and my site still lives.

At it's core, my site should exist as fair competition to out do, not as
an enemy attempting to harm soyjak.party. I don't want to take down your
site, I only want an alternative so that soyteens get a choice at the
end. That's why I tell people to make up their mind about you, I don't
want to tell them what to think.

>You again say you dont want the site to be hurt, but the actions of your
>users (who have your support judging by recent posts) spamming jakparty
>links forced me to ban tor again, which harms numerous other people. Your
>sites mere existance (which only lures in its few users under the false
>assumption that its somehow "free-er") does harm to the community by giving
>its worst users (CP spammers, UTTP raiders, shills, and bbc porn spammers) a
>place to ally with and regroup to attack our main site.
CP Spammers are not tolerated and will be removed whenever possible.

Non-soyteen shills are bots from what I can tell, just spreading their
sites around to alt-chans fishing for users. It's just kinda cringe
since it's not funny OC.

BBC posters and UTTP posters are types of posters that I have mixed
feelings on. 

I know nothing on the lore about cobson and BBC spam. I was never
involved in any namefaggy discord servers or other cliques. I don't
follow that sort of drama, I only look at the outputs. I think BBC
cobson is funny. It's a symbol of modern sexual depravity projected onto
soyjaks. I think the format has potential. However, I understand the
dislike of the spam, however spam is a tactic soyteens have used for
awhile, it'd be hypocritical to get rid of it. I'm divided on it, but I
allow in hopes that good faith 'jakkers will use the format to make gems.

UTTP is autistic. I know a little about them, but from what I know, the
UTTP spam is originating from a cytube autist who is obsessed with the
group. I think UTTP, when in small doses, is funny due to the OC pumped
out. It's like soyjaks but for autistic children who use GoAnimate. I
think it's a necessary foil to the autism that soyteens have. 

>I was there when you made the site and i've seen what you post (with and
>without your capcode). You didnt make the site for "decentralization" (which
>is stupid, because under soot the wiki, booru, bunker, and main site were
>owned by him, and under me, all 4 are owned by different people), you made
>it to compete with the sharty, using the people who dislike me as a way to
>jumpstart by advertising it as "kuz free". Your site has been nothing but a
>harm to the sharty from its inception. Why? Why didnt you just try and talk
>to me beforehand and settle our differences that way?

At first the site was made as a gutteral reaction. I distrusted you. I
still distrust you to some extent, you did just threaten me. There's no
denying you have a history. Things were very up in the air at the time.
No one knew what the future looked like, so I seized the opportunity and
created a splinter just in case.

Things went smoother than I expected, but it was rocky enough for people
to entertain the idea of my site. Controversies happened, people swapped
sides, you know the history.

My site exists as a place for people not happy with your administration.
There are genuine soyteens who post there. They are happy about the site
existing. They want to contribute to it, they want to improve it, they
see that my site has potential. I rather not throw this away.

But also, I don't want to be an enemy, only a competitor. I rather be diplomatic
than nasty. I recognize that there are people who prefer your site, I
would hope you do the same with mine. The hostility between our sites is
more dangerous than either of our sites merely existing. 
There are shitposters on both sites who attempt to get a rise out of
both of us, they'll use the feud between us as a method to troll.
I think this sometimes leads to funny stuff (such as the frogposter on
my site) and sometimes it leads to some really dangerous stuff like the
CP spammer. 

>Im frustrated not only at the cp, but at the drama your site caused and
>causes on a daily basis, and the harm its doing by fracturing the site.
Baring the CP spam and attacks on your infastructure, I think you're
making this split more serious than it actually is. We both own unprofitable 
bald cartoon man shitposting forums. You're accidently hitting the Streisand effect with
mentions of my sites name and I think that makes people want to spam it
just because it's funny and makes admins mad. The seriousness is
antithetical to 'jakking and so soyteens will abuse that for funnies.

I think the seriousness of your attitude towards my site is also giving
a cp spammer ammunition to make you angry and cause actual problems. I
think that's more dangerous than anything I have done since it gives
attention whores the attention they desire. Your policy on not
discussing the CP spam, while controversial, I do sympathize with for
this reason.

I can't blame you for any of this, you're human, and I may also be wrong, so
forgive me if I am wrong, but this is just how I see it. jakparty.soy is
a splinter website created because I distrusted a russian on a bald
cartoon man shitposting forum and people post on it because they're
mildly discontent with the administration of said forum. It's been made
more serious than it needs to be due to a mix of bad actors and poor
communication. I appologize for not contacting you earlier, you are
right that this created more problems than it solved. 

Thank you for being understanding and replying to this email in a civil
matter. It's appreciated and I hope this tone will be the new normal for
any further correspondence.

Kuz - September 21th, 2022:

I dont like raids. I do not care if it is seen as hypocritical (it isnt, 
I never participate in raids). I allow them on my site because none of 
the targets are going to cause me a problem. However, if they did (for 
example, tried to raid a government website), id put an end to it. I'd 
advise you to take this stance too, and put me in that regard. I work 
tirelessly to put an immediate end to those who try to harm me, my 
websites, or my network. When UTTP started raiding us, I found them on 
Vidlii and ruthlessly rooted them out of the site until they were none 
left. When they moved to Youtube, I had them taken down there too. When 
a troll named Robert Brown decided to spam my sites daily uses thousands 
of proxies (with CP, but that wasnt the deciding factor for my actions), 
I found his address and used all means available to me to have him 
arrested, and was able to get him sent to jail for his CP spam. When 
"Straitjakit", a raider from a site the NSS offers protection 
("Gurochan") I directed the NSS to harm him online, and great damage was 
done to his internet accounts. When a federated network of textboards 
known as The Multichannel started organizing raids on my sites, I 
directed all our resources to having them destroyed by any means, now? 
It does not exist. The maintainers are too afraid to even log back in to 
their github accounts to continue the project. Only some of these were 
CP related. While I regard CP spam as particularly aggregious (and I 
will go the extra mile in finding and arresting those individuals) I 
hold all attacks on my websites in roughly equal regard. What you are 
doing, any CP related things aside, is not illegal, but that does not 
mean it is not within my power to stop it. You seem to have known me 
before out interactions, and I hope if theres something you've learned 
in that time, is that I am stubborn. I will not cease my efforts to 
destroy completely your website if you do not;

1. Shut it down
or
2. Outlaw organizing, participating, or inciting raids against my sites

I have given you THREE seperate oppurtunities to put an end to this 
yourself without violence, and then I gave you one more to talk it out 
civily with me and you still refused, claiming that attacking the 'party 
was "in good nature" and part of "soyjak culture" (by wiping the catalog 
and shilling your site endlessly, which resulted in the tor ban), and 
now, trying to sabotage my future projects such as the 'craft server 
through shilling it all over /muv/, not to mention the very high 
likelihood in my mind that you have allowed CP raids to go on, as you 
have signaled to me and your userbase many times prior to our first 
interaction that you see me as dangerous, a threat, or somehow deserving 
of punishment. While I have been cordial and attempted to diplomatically 
resolve these issues, you, although with articulate and kind words, have 
not made any real, prctical advancements towards peace between our 
websites

I have, up until this point, refrained from directly threatening you, I 
am no longer doing that. I am telling you right now, that if you do not 
immediately cease your (or your users) nightly raids on the 'party, I 
will. And I will use any and ALL means necessary to do so, I will spare 
no expensive, I will risk all collateral, and I will eliminate anything 
or anyone who tries to prevent me from doing so. The ends justify the 
means. Your activities which, if your story is to be believed, at the 
very least borderline on illegal must be stopped. Assuming you are 
lying, which I can and will find out, I will not only destroy your 
website, but I will work with the police to forward them the necessary 
information to end your illegal activity. I have that information on 
standby, and I have already prepared instructions on an operation to put 
an end to the attacks on my network which originate from your website.

Make a wise decision, do not underestimate my willingness to act on 
every word of this email regardless of any collateral damage suffered in 
order to eliminate people who threaten the safety of the network.

Spitefully,

Y. Kuznetsov