00:04 hello hello hidden gems it is or has
00:08 been day four of the Richard Allen trial
00:12 has concluded and so I am here to tell
00:15 you all the latest took notes throughout
00:17 trial I was in there for those new to
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00:23 courtroom every day in Deli Indiana
00:26 covering the Richard Allen trial and I
00:28 am going to go through in detail
00:30 everything that happen today because
01:31 there are no cameras and no audio in the
01:33 courtroom I am here to help you by
01:36 sharing what I saw what I heard um
01:40 before we uh start with anything else
01:43 I'm going to continue to go in order
01:45 except for one thing and that is because
01:48 our lunch live my lunch live I was
01:50 sharing that I had questions still when
01:52 it came to the 43 second video that we
01:55 saw of Abby and Libby with uh with the
01:58 alleged Bridge guy in the background
01:00 this Infamous video that we've only ever
01:03 seen a snapshot of with uh the audio
01:06 down the hill in Richard Allen I said
01:09 that I had more questions and answers
01:11 after watching it because I did not hear
01:12 down the hill nor did I see the bridge
01:15 guy in it but my neighbor did see the
01:18 bridge guy in the background and they
01:20 showed a screenshot or a stillshot to
01:22 the jury of of bridge guy so I knew that
01:27 that was the video all I heard was liby
01:29 and Abby well we got back from lunch I
02:32 just want to say this and the next
02:34 witness they had which we will get to
02:36 soon was the one that enhanced the audio
02:39 on the video and we were able to watch
02:41 the video for a second time and you can
02:43 hear ever so slightly at the end of that
02:46 video guys down the hill and so that
02:49 answers my question that's what it was
02:52 this was the video it was the video i'
02:54 had always wondered if there were two
02:56 videos if there was an audio and a video
02:58 how this happened and now we know it was
02:01 a 43 second video and you can see Abby
02:07 she goes off screen and you and then
02:09 ever so Fain you see a guy in the
02:11 background just for a split second you
02:14 can see him behind Abby and that's the
02:16 visual that we've seen of bridge
02:18 guy and that we've always seen and then
02:22 at the very very end you hear guys down
02:24 the hill and that is when Abby says
02:27 there's no path in her little voice I
03:31 wrote in my notes by the way such a
03:33 young sounding innocent voice and I
03:36 looked over at my neighbor's notes and
03:38 she wrote they sound so
03:41 young um let me share with you this
03:44 video since again I talked about on my
03:47 lunch live and I want to answer the
03:49 questions that I had and then we will
03:52 jump into the full day the full trial
03:55 and I'll give you everything that I know
03:58 so the GU the guys down the hill Hill
03:00 Bridge Guy video um it focuses it's at
03:05 the very end of the video again where it
03:07 focuses on the gravel when he says guys
03:10 down the hill it's looking at the gravel
03:12 so they did put the enhanced audio with
03:15 the visual of bridge guy but they're
03:17 both from the same video um so what the
03:20 public sees is the audio connected to
03:25 the video but it's actually focusing on
03:27 the gravel when he says guys down the
03:29 hill ever so
04:31 faintly um you see him walking behind
04:34 Abby and then uh it starts it begins to
04:38 show Abby walking and then running and
04:42 they get to the end of the monan High
04:45 Bridge the end the the private property
04:47 end not the public access end they get
04:50 to the end of the bridge and uh that's
04:54 when Abby starts running and then she
04:56 gets close to Libby and then they talk
04:58 amongst themselves I couldn't make out
04:01 everything that they were saying and
04:02 then Abby says there's no path in
04:05 response to guys down the
04:08 hill and to see it and to hear it to see
04:12 their response and to hear it they it
04:14 was a complete dead end they're
04:16 completely alone on this other side of
04:18 the bridge that very few people go in
04:20 fact many witnesses today we'll get to
04:22 those two talked about how they love to
04:24 walk on the trails but they're too
04:25 scared to go on the bridge or they don't
04:27 go on the bridge it's the brave souls
04:29 the adventurous Souls that go walk out
05:31 on this rail old railroad bridge the
05:35 Monon High Bridge and they were on the
05:37 complete other end of it when he
05:41 cornered them technically and said guys
05:44 down the hill and they realized
05:47 literally realized we have nowhere to go
05:48 there isn't even a path what does he
05:49 want us to do and then I realized that
05:53 this was likely the Disturbed area of
05:55 the hill or the slide that I talked
05:57 about yesterday on my live where they
05:59 had to slide down and then that video
05:03 abruptly
05:04 ends and H it was taken at 213 p.m.
05:10 which is interesting because it was also
05:12 213 it was February 13th at 2:13 p.m.
05:15 was the timestamp on that last video and
05:20 uh you know I wanted to shout through
05:22 the the screen almost and and say scream
05:25 Girls scream they were so young I'm sure
05:28 they were so afraid I'm sure they were
05:30 so confused and there was nobody around
06:33 and he allegedly um Bridge guy allegedly
06:37 had um a gun and or he clearly had a
06:42 weapon
06:44 um yeah
06:47 so heartbreaking to see the full 43
06:50 second video and then to come back from
06:52 lunch and have those questions answered
06:54 and to hear it again it was so faint and
06:58 the shot of bridge guy
06:00 so quick it's incredible that they were
06:03 able to enhance the audio in my opinion
06:05 to what they did for the
06:07 public all right so with that I did not
06:13 hear one of the girls say gun and
06:15 allegedly they might say that in the
06:17 video right so I am simply sharing what
06:20 I was able to hear and again the first
06:22 time the first time I didn't hear guys
06:24 down the hill I went and reported my
06:25 lunch live I have more questions than
06:27 answers now because where's where do
06:30 they say down the hill we came back I
07:33 just to remind you guys the Acoustics in
07:35 this courtroom are really not great it's
07:38 a very old very beautiful courtroom it's
07:42 like original from when it was built
07:44 high high ceilings these wood theater
07:47 seats um I'm on Row three very few
07:50 people are even allowed in to listen but
07:53 because it's so vast and so large it
07:56 everything just Echoes and unless you're
07:58 right up you know in with the the jury
07:01 and the
07:02 judge you know we're straining to hear
07:04 so so
07:06 my so anyway I just want to say there
07:09 were certainly things I'm sure I did not
07:11 hear we were able to listen to it twice
07:14 today and I heard a lot more the second
07:17 time around so I don't know what I
07:19 didn't
07:20 hear
07:22 um uh so people are asking about uh the
07:26 wounds um I would recommend any crime
07:29 scene photos and what I shared I
08:30 recommend yet last night's live
08:35 um all right let's start at the
08:39 beginning and last night this went so
08:41 long I said I was going to answer some
08:43 questions after and I never got to them
08:44 and so I apologize about that so many so
08:47 much kind support yesterday so I will
08:50 again try to Star your questions or if
08:52 you want to save them to the end I will
08:54 try to scan and look for questions we'll
08:56 do that at the end um so today this
08:60 morning um pulling out my trusty notes
08:02 we started again with crime scene
08:04 investigator Ryan we ended with him
08:06 yesterday there was no cross so we we he
08:10 had not concluded so he came back and we
08:12 started off this morning with crime
08:13 scene investigator Ryan and prosecutor
08:17 lutrell um took
08:19 questioning and and that's where we
08:21 ended was as was the questioning with
08:24 this W with this um witness so he
08:27 explains that bags of evidence um were
09:31 taken and they laid out an Evidence
09:33 table in front of the court and uh there
09:36 were a bunch of packages in brown bags
09:39 so we knew this was an Evidence moment
09:41 what are they what do they have as
09:43 evidence um and as they continued uh
09:48 they picked up each separate
09:50 bag discussed how it was sealed who
09:53 packaged it how it was sealed how it was
09:56 transported and explained how the
09:58 evidence was kept in egyp individual bag
09:00 they did not open the bags today but
09:02 they lifted up each one read what was
09:04 inside each bag and shared the evidence
09:06 within the bags so and I took the entire
09:10 list I'll read to you all the evidence
09:12 they listed today that doesn't mean all
09:14 of the evidence ever what I mean is
09:16 evidence that they brought up with uh
09:18 crime scene investigator uh Ryan so the
09:22 first one was a black and white Nike
09:25 shoe it was collected at the scene size
09:28 10
09:30 um it was uh and then this is where they
10:33 stop for again and reiterate and
10:35 describe how lab the lab management
10:37 system works there's a barcode sticker
10:40 system to track each item the evidence
10:43 is in the paper bag and it's sealed and
10:44 within the paper bag is a white bag and
10:46 that is sealed as well other evidence
10:50 these were all recovered from Deer Creek
10:53 including that Nike shoe so a Hollister
10:56 brand jeans size 26 which I'm just going
10:00 to throw out that that would be aby's
10:02 jeans they were found in Deer Creek in
10:04 the water not on
10:06 her uh a color tone brand tie dye size
10:10 XL
10:11 t-shirt a gray No Boundaries hooded
10:14 sweatshirt size medium I speculate that
10:17 that is the sweatshirt that Abby is
10:18 wearing in uh her last the last photo of
10:23 her that was put on
10:25 Snapchat um a Sonoma brand pink
11:30 underwear black and purple sock a pink
11:35 sock and a green
11:38 headscarf as well as a black Faded Glory
11:42 s large
11:45 camisol again those were all found in
11:48 Deer Creek and collected as
11:52 evidence um the prosecutor then stops to
11:54 question transportation of the evidence
11:57 from the crime scene Ryan um
11:60 explains that he packaged the evidence
11:02 himself or most of it here he he trans
11:06 unless I say otherwise
11:08 Ryan uh is the person who transported
11:11 the evidence himself from ground zero to
11:13 his car or vehicle to the
11:15 lab so here is more that was taken at
11:19 the crime scene so not Deer Creek but
11:22 the crime scene Converse um tennis Shu
11:26 recovered at the scene another Converse
11:29 tennis shoe recovered from the body of
12:31 Abigail her left
12:33 shoe a 40 caliber Smith and Western
12:37 recovered uh unspent round recovered
12:40 between the girls at the crime
12:43 scene um a strand of hair there's that
12:47 hair taken from between the fingers of
12:52 Abigail the left arm of Abigail a strand
12:56 of material that was taken from uh
12:60 her left
12:01 arm all right and then we're going to
12:04 talk about swabs and when they explain
12:05 swabs they mean a cotton swab that he
12:07 took at the crime scene cotton swab a
12:10 swab from Liberty's left wrist taken by
12:14 Ryan at the scene a swab from inside
12:17 liby's right wrist taken from Ryan at
12:20 the scene a swab from Liberty's belly
12:26 button again this is all collected by C
12:29 irion a swab from Liberty German's thigh
13:33 above the knee a strand of fiber
13:36 material the from the left hand of
13:39 Liberty a swab of a blood stain off of
13:44 the tree this is the blood stain that
13:45 was 4 feet above ground level of the
13:49 tree they took a black Nike found under
13:52 the body of Abigail Williams a swab area
13:56 of blood between two markers placed on
13:59 on the
13:00 ground a swab on the ground near the
13:04 feet of Liberty which is presumed to be
13:08 blood a swab on the ground below Liberty
13:12 German a swab on the ground near the
13:15 tree which they believe to be blood a
13:17 swab presumed blood near ground between
13:19 Abbey and Libby a swab of a red stain by
13:22 the head of Abbey presumed to be blood a
13:26 swab sample from the north side of the
13:28 tree of blood on the tree a swab of a
14:32 red stain on lower part of the tree a
14:35 swab from the left index finger of
14:37 Liberty German a swab from the left
14:40 pinky of Liberty
14:42 German a cellular telephone the phone
14:45 collected at the scene it was collected
14:48 by the way by the supervisor and not by
14:50 Ryan that is the only thing that was not
14:52 collected by Ryan was the cell phone
14:55 collected by the supervisor no items of
14:59 were packaged together all of these by
14:02 the way were packaged separately a swab
14:05 of Liberty Germans left thigh a swab of
14:08 Liberty German's right thigh swab of
14:11 Liberty German's right breast a swab
14:13 from Liberty German's left breast and
14:16 then we got into two boxes and they
14:18 showed two boxes of um evidence and they
14:22 asked what are in these two boxes and
14:24 they explained that uh CSI Ryan
14:26 explained that these were two sexual
14:28 assault kits they are uh victims of
15:31 sexual assault they are the kits and
15:32 they are only opened upon use they're a
15:35 standard case and they are the standard
15:37 box and the standard kit used in the
15:39 state of
15:41 Indiana these kits were actually
15:43 provided to Dr core KR and he is the one
15:47 who completed the kits uh I believe on
15:50 uh on uh February
15:54 15th there was one for Abby and one for
15:58 Libby then
15:60 a trace fiber from the upper left arm
15:02 from Abby was collected a black
15:04 sweatshirt extra- llarge Deli swimming
15:08 it had red stains on it that was
15:10 actually I realized Kelsey's sweatshirt
15:12 I referred to it as Libby sweatshirt
15:14 yesterday on my live but Libby it was in
15:16 Libby's car it it belonged to the
15:19 Germans um not to Abby but it was
15:22 Kelsey's swimming
15:24 sweatshirt her
15:26 sister blue jeans Maurice brand size
15:29 extra
16:30 large uh taken from the crime scene I
16:33 assume those are the jeans that um Abby
16:36 was wearing when found a gray cotton bra
16:39 fruit of a loom size 34 a pink
16:42 sleeveless shirt with red stains a black
16:44 bra size 34A with red
16:47 stains and then they handed jurors three
16:50 packages to show them how the evidence
16:52 was sealed and the jurors actually
16:54 passed around all the evidence to
16:57 understand just how all of the evidence
16:59 was packed packaged and again none of
16:01 the evidence was open today just listed
16:03 and then
16:06 entered uh Dr core also has a photo of
16:10 Abigail Williams autopsy and in that
16:13 autopsy he notes the moisture to the
16:16 clothes on Abigail Williams so again
16:19 we're referring to the dampness and how
16:21 they're wet the defense has really tried
16:23 to say that maybe they weren't wet we're
16:26 hearing now from the autopsy that they
16:27 were labeled as wet notes of moisture to
16:30 the clothing damp and this was the
17:32 following day at the autopsy on uh
17:36 February
17:38 15th her clothes still wet then they
17:42 found the end of the cartridge is a head
17:45 stamp area and it contains primer and
17:47 the brand was Winchester Smith and
17:49 Western um the defense then did a cross
17:52 exam Rosie did the cross exam and he
17:56 asked uh CSI Ryan is there any evidence
17:59 found on the swabs connecting to Allan
17:02 that was his straight up he just like
17:03 came out of the gate and was like okay
17:05 so you just listed all this evidence we
17:07 don't know what's in it so he just went
17:09 straight to the straight for it and just
17:13 said is there any evidence found on the
17:15 swabs connecting the crime to Richard
17:19 Allen and uh his response was that he
17:22 was Ryan's response was that he was not
17:24 aware of any um and then uh Rosie starts
17:28 going through each piece of evence
17:29 asking is there is is Richard Allen
18:31 connected to any of these pieces of
18:33 evidence one by one he's asking for any
18:36 connection um and there's a blanket
18:39 statement now being given by CSI Ryan
18:41 and it's not that I'm aware of not that
18:43 I'm aware of then finally there was an
18:46 objection I'm actually surprised the
18:47 objection didn't come earlier but the
18:49 prosecution objects and they say this
18:52 witness um isn't testifying about
18:55 evidence analysis we are just really
18:57 listing the evidence that we have
18:60 um and the objection was sustained by
18:03 the judge Rosie continued did you ever
18:06 speak with anyone who was involved in
18:08 the analysis of the evidence and uh Ryan
18:12 explains no he has had he has not had
18:14 any conversations with any of the
18:17 analysts that did the the evidence there
18:20 is more objection uh they stating that
18:23 this there is no relevance to what he is
18:26 asking Ryan because again he did not
18:28 analyze the evidence and does not know
18:30 about the analyzation of the evidence
19:32 the defense Rosie actually seems pretty
19:35 upset and he says judge this is so
19:37 important and the judge says it's uh the
19:41 judge sustains the prosecution's
19:43 objection but then says perhaps for
19:46 sustained and then she said perhaps for
19:48 another witness you can essentially ask
19:50 these questions so it wasn't the
19:51 questions that the judge was not okay
19:54 with it was the witness that they were
19:56 posing these questions to
19:59 and then there are more objections Rosie
19:01 seems a little bit more upset he asks a
19:03 question to Ryan doesn't let Ryan finish
19:06 um it was Familiar of um other defense
19:11 attorney John prior I'll be honest you
19:13 wouldn't let his Witnesses finish their
19:15 sentences and there was an objection by
19:17 the prosecution that said interruptions
19:19 by defense and again the judge sustained
19:22 that objection the defense asked would
19:26 you agree that there are unique
19:28 circumstances
19:29 to this crime
20:31 scene um thank you Cindy I appreciate it
20:35 now this was a great moment in my
20:37 opinion because I did think it was
20:40 rather humorous I admit that Rosie
20:43 starts to ask a question with would you
20:45 agree which you just shouldn't you're
20:48 saying that you agree with the witness
20:50 like you're wanting the witness to agree
20:51 that no questioning in in court should
20:54 be about agreeing with the defense so
20:57 would you agree that there are unique
20:58 circum ances to this crime scene there
20:60 was an objection he is inserting
20:02 opinions by saying would you agree what
20:04 they're saying is that Rosie is saying
20:06 what he believes right and that's
20:08 irrelevant the defense attorney doesn't
20:10 need to be testifying he should simply
20:11 be asking questions of the witness so
20:14 objection sustained and so the judge
20:18 explains like look just rephrase you
20:19 can't say would you agree you're show
20:22 you're inserting opinions and that was
20:24 the beginning of Rosie um multiple times
20:27 starting questions with would you agree
20:30 and it was like he did it subconsciously
21:32 and he was so frustrated by the end but
21:35 it is true he shouldn't be saying that
21:36 so the defense rephrases and asks about
21:39 the
21:40 sticks so they can't say would you agree
21:43 this crime scene is unique um they said
21:46 what about those sticks Ryan says that
21:49 the sticks appear uh that they were
21:51 meant to conceal some things at the
21:53 crime scene that's how Ryan perceives
21:55 the sticks at the crime scene CSI Ryan
21:58 and the defense says well well were they
21:60 were the sticks trying to communicate
21:02 something um were they trying to say
21:05 something so uh the defense now is
21:07 implying that the sticks are more than
21:09 just uh something trying to conceal the
21:11 crime scene thank you so much Rachel um
21:14 the defense says someone
21:16 suggested then and so so that was one
21:19 thing the defense was able to kind of
21:21 slide in that these sticks are weird
21:23 that maybe this crime scene is weird and
21:25 then the defense says somebody suggested
21:28 that you go back and you collect the
21:30 sticks right Ryan explains yes I went
22:32 back to collect the sticks it's sort of
22:34 like just you know twisting you know on
22:37 that one it is really bad that he did
22:38 not collect the sticks the first time
22:40 and they went back two days later and
22:41 collected the sticks that is a win for
22:43 the defense in my opinion and he's just
22:46 uh you know twisting the knife on that
22:47 one like making sure
22:49 that um people know that he messed up
22:52 there um so asking if he knew whose
22:56 clothing belonged to who the defense is
22:58 asking
22:60 um how he would know what clothing
22:02 belonged to who and Ryan said it was a
22:04 logical assumption uh German sweatshirt
22:08 uh on Libby was larger size they have
22:11 the girls are different sizes ab's
22:13 really petite um Libby is larger than
22:17 Abby and so he said it was just an
22:19 subsumption of which clothes belonged to
22:21 Who and the defense is asking if that
22:23 means that they were undressed and then
22:25 Abby was
22:26 redressed and Ryan says I assume so the
23:31 defense is now again asking about sticks
23:34 and also foot traffic that would affect
23:36 the
23:37 crimey the defense asks are you aware
23:40 that a blood that the blood splatter
23:43 expert uh was hired Ryan says I am aware
23:48 the defense asks well have you hired
23:50 anyone or have you asked anyone you know
23:51 about any blood bladder expert Ryan says
23:54 no and then the defense says well could
23:57 it be that um blood splatter expert
23:01 could have helped with the time frame of
23:03 the crimes where people were standing
23:05 Ryan says I don't know I actually think
23:07 it could have been it should have
23:08 certainly been more of this crime scene
23:10 I don't know why they wouldn't have
23:11 gotten a blood splatter expert right
23:13 away question do you a knowledge you
23:15 don't know the time of death of the
23:17 girls and says that he says the death
23:20 time is between the last time they were
23:22 seen alive and when they were found
23:25 defenses is there anything unusual about
23:26 finding an unspent Round in Indiana
23:29 Ryan says it would be unusual for me to
24:31 leave an unspent round on someone's
24:33 private property Ryan says it would be
24:36 more common to find a bullet associated
24:38 with gaming or hunting which by the way
24:41 uh just to remember I said this
24:43 yesterday but uh ryion is now while he
24:46 was a CSI investigator in 2017 he's now
24:49 actually part of the gaming head of the
24:51 gaming Commission in Indiana and he he
24:53 actually does he regulates gaming in the
24:56 state of Indiana so he would know a lot
24:58 about
24:59 uh you know guns unspent rounds so he
24:03 you know I'm going to listen to him on
24:05 this one defense is now showing the
24:07 north side of the creek and Rosie I
24:09 wrote Rosie is being feisty lots of
24:11 objections the judge is calmly
24:13 sustaining them I think this was when he
24:15 kept saying would you agree would you
24:16 agree and he could not get a question
24:18 out without saying would you agree the
24:20 judge is requesting Ro uh Rosie to use
24:23 the official name of evidence and he
24:26 continues questions about the bullet
24:28 photo putting doubt into this piece of
25:31 evidence they really really want to put
25:33 some doubt on this uh unspent um on this
25:37 bullet because it's clearly um a piece
25:40 of information that ties their client
25:43 Richard Allen possibly to the murders
25:45 and if they can create doubt that this
25:47 bullet even means anything that's a win
25:49 for the defense so they're really
25:51 pushing that um Rosie continues to
25:54 testify with questions do you agree you
25:56 should have taken a pick of the unspent
25:58 route do you agree uh would you agree
25:00 with me that you did a poor job that was
25:02 a good one would you agree with me that
25:05 you did a poor job that was certainly
25:07 objected and sustained by the judge and
25:10 again he says you cannot ask if someone
25:13 agrees with you there was a redirect um
25:16 Lal asked how many bullets did you find
25:19 one how many pieces of ammunition did
25:21 you find one did you preserve the
25:24 evidence yes that was really important
25:27 because one thing I think that the
25:28 defense is really try to do is make it
26:30 seem as if they didn't handle the
26:32 evidence well that a bullet could have
26:33 gotten mixed up that maybe they swwa the
26:37 bullet with another bullet um and so
26:39 just to Simply say how many pieces of
26:42 ammunition were found one did you
26:44 preserve the evidence yes the photo of
26:47 bullet in the ground did you place it
26:48 and preserve it yes um boom boom boom
26:52 and what the bullet
26:54 is and then Ryan actually explains why
26:57 there might not have been any this is
26:58 interesting to me why there might not
26:60 have been any animal activity or
26:02 scavengers when the girls were found and
26:04 it doesn't necessarily mean that uh they
26:07 died uh later than sooner he said that
26:10 insect activity is essentially
26:12 non-existent at that time of year in
26:14 Indiana in February in Indiana and
26:17 insects often bring scavengers so he's
26:19 not surprised that there was no animal
26:21 activity at the bodies and again just to
26:23 remind you that um he regulates gaming
26:28 in the state of Indiana so I'm sure he
26:30 knows this stuff then there were jur
27:34 questions they asked if undergrowth
27:36 appeared to be disturbed under Abby to
27:38 make it look as if she was dressed there
27:41 so the jury is certainly wondering if
27:43 Abby was
27:45 redressed after she was murdered or if
27:48 she was dressed before and you know what
27:51 I'm going to say this I too have
27:53 wondered I believe that the girls were
27:57 certainly undressed
27:59 um before the audio is really
27:02 bad oh no glad I finally
27:08 looked let's
27:17 see okay hello hello hello the glitching
27:20 is bad if it if it doesn't get better
27:23 here in a second I'll
27:25 un oh yeah okay hold
28:47 on you
28:50 know it is showing it's showing High
28:53 Wireless I don't know if you guys can
28:55 see me hear me but the wireless is
28:57 showing really great
28:59 but on streamyard the streaming service
28:01 I'm using it's looking low
28:05 um is it
28:08 better I'm going to keep going in hope
28:11 that it gets better because I really
28:13 don't know what to
28:15 do let me shut off all my other
28:19 tabs um okay I'll just keep going
28:22 fingers crossed it gets better okay I
28:24 I'll check in a little bit and see if it
28:26 if it it's not working
28:29 the jury asked do the undergrowth appear
29:31 to be disturbed under Abby I was sharing
29:33 my opinion on uh what whether or not I
29:36 think that Abby may have been redressed
29:38 after death and I think it's possible
29:40 now um now that I've seen crime scene
29:43 and saw how she had her clothing and she
29:47 was like this with her sweatshirt and
29:48 the really large pants I do wonder and
29:50 her clothes were in the creek I do
29:52 Wonder now if um if Bridge guy or the
29:58 alleged murderer after he killed them
29:01 decided to put clothing on ababab I
29:05 think it could be a possibility but I I
29:08 simply do not know
29:12 um sorry I think I
29:15 have
29:19 um all
29:23 right I hear my okay so um one second
30:01 all
30:02 right they have not mentioned Ron Logan
30:05 because he this is not his trial he's um
30:09 they they've not mentioned him at all
30:11 all right um then we have
30:17 um let's
30:19 look where was I forgive me guys
30:25 sorry how's my how's my uh Wireless
30:29 doing I hope it gets
31:32 better
31:34 um okay the bullet collected in an
31:36 envelope has it ever been removed from
31:38 its original packaging that was a
31:40 question by the jury and the answer is
31:44 no and then another jury question
31:47 question was was the bullet placed in a
31:48 pill box or an envelope and they
31:51 explained that was placed in an
31:55 envelope the next witness the next
31:57 witness was Brian bunner and this is
31:60 still before lunch and this was Trooper
31:03 Brian bunner with the Indiana State
31:04 Police he served 24 years with the state
31:07 police uh he's been a law enforcement
31:09 for 27 years and he's now involved in
31:12 digital forensics for the state of
31:14 Indiana um the questioning was done by
31:17 mcleland on this Trooper Bruner bunner
31:21 excuse me Trooper bunner in 2009 moved
31:23 to cyber crimes unit now known as
31:27 digital forensic
31:28 he specializes in cell phones and
32:31 computers since 2009 he has analyzed
32:35 thousands of phones and he is an expert
32:37 witness on cell phones in 2017 there was
32:40 a a 2017 procedure was you get your
32:44 phone in um you document the serial
32:47 number apps take piics and software to
32:50 extract a phone so he's explaining just
32:53 how he
32:57 um uh
32:59 I just saw Dorian Gray's question with
32:01 utmost respect aby's arms were not in
32:03 the C of the sweatshirt but were inside
32:05 the sweatshirt is that correct they were
32:07 inside the sleeves of the sweater and
32:09 the sleeves were covering her hands I
32:11 explained that on yesterday's live um
32:14 and so forgive me guys so we're talking
32:19 about U sorry guys I got distracted lot
32:22 going on okay so um there was a phone so
32:27 we're talking about the cell phone and
32:28 how the cell phone was documented and
33:32 taking picks and software to extract the
33:34 phone and then they take that info and
33:35 they decipher it in another program it
33:39 it's involved after
33:41 being let's see I involved after being
33:45 contacted okay Brian bunner got involved
33:49 after being contacted um by someone to
33:52 find after finding Libby's phone it was
33:55 BR he brought the phone on February 15th
33:59 uh on 2017 to his Indianapolis office
33:03 looking at the photos that there are
33:05 photos that he took while doing exam of
33:06 the phone and the jury actually saw all
33:08 of the photos of the phone that he did
33:13 one second guys hold on
34:32 okay
34:35 um so he there are photos that he took
34:37 while doing an exam of his phone and
34:39 they were picks of the phone on the back
34:41 side of the phone and the phone was an
34:43 Apple iPhone six they took photos of a
34:46 SIM card so there was a SIM card in the
34:48 phone back then and it was an AT&T SIM
34:51 card and uh the provider is a
34:54 T&T so that is uh some something that
34:58 people wondering Libby's phone was
34:01 provider was AT&T the phone powered on
34:04 after bu plugged it in because the
34:06 battery had been dead he was given a
34:08 code for the phone and he punched in
34:10 that code state exhibit 195 ass showed
34:13 the general settings and the name
34:15 Liberty's iPhone so she had named it
34:17 Liberty's iPhone the iCloud account was
34:19 liberty. German icloud.com and there was
34:22 a screenshot of the settings and there
34:25 was a Snapchat settings as well the name
34:27 is Liberty in the app on the phone the
34:30 time zone was Eastern and a box is set
35:33 on auto to the time zone so whatever
35:36 time zone phone is in that is when the
35:39 has the time zone is set at& set the
35:42 date and time then he extracts the data
35:45 using a program called celebrite It's a
35:48 program that uh the the Indiana State
35:52 Police purchased a license to sellbrite
35:56 a sellbrite report was was several
35:59 hundred pages long and on that day that
35:02 they extracted all the data from Libby's
35:04 phone they didn't have time to go
35:05 through all of the cele data because it
35:07 was several hundred Pages it was a
35:09 several hundred page report and so um
35:12 berer ran it but then he rushed it
35:14 through to give it to another Trooper
35:17 because it was so important to he
35:18 explains they didn't want to wait on the
35:21 report they wanted to give it to the
35:22 investigators that were investigating
35:23 the crime so while the Idaho Idaho the
35:26 Indiana State Police
35:29 uh went through and extracted the phone
36:30 data they did not analyze it they handed
36:32 it to investigators to analyze after
36:33 they sub right they able to see the last
36:37 photos and videos taken on the phone um
36:40 at this moment by the way I noticed that
36:41 Richard Allen is taking notes and then
36:44 they play the last video that was ever
36:47 shown on Libby's phone and we've already
36:50 talked about this and I talked about
36:51 this in my lunch live what I saw and
36:53 then I explained after lunch what I saw
36:56 and so just to remind everyone it was a
36:58 43 second video it was the down the hill
36:01 video of bridge
36:03 guy you can only see him for like a
36:05 split second but they and then at the
36:08 very end of the video with some enhanced
36:10 audio you can hear down the hill at the
36:13 very end and while the phone is sort of
36:15 landing on gravel and I also suspect
36:17 that Libby was pretending not to film
36:20 because it wasn't really pointed to
36:21 anyone she had Abby and then it kind of
36:23 went to the side and you could hear Abby
36:25 and there's gravel so clear that Libby
36:28 was probably trying to hide her phone at
37:30 that moment and not really show she was
37:33 filming and had it down but she
37:35 continued to film and you hear Abby say
37:38 that there is no path and you see just
37:41 the dead end they found themselves in I
37:44 you know there is not a person inide
37:46 they're on the opposite side of a bridge
37:48 where nobody is and I can't imagine that
37:51 feeling it's so heartbreaking to here
37:54 and they played that last video and
37:55 right after they played that video and
37:57 you grab me talking no path here I
37:00 write um they show screenshots taken
37:03 from the video and even though they were
37:05 only presented to the jury the entire
37:06 gallery I was able to see some of those
37:08 screenshots and you actually see Richard
37:11 Allen um excuse me I flustered do not
37:16 see Richard Allen we do not I saw
37:18 Richard Allen Court we saw brid guy um
37:20 forgive my slips guys it is Richard
37:22 all's trial and I am tired but we see
37:26 who the prosecution is going to Ed is
37:28 Richard Allen but uh we see Bridge guy
38:33 um in the
38:35 background the phone is brought back to
38:38 bunner on February 22nd
38:42 2017 knowing that it was an ongoing case
38:45 they wanted the phone back to use they
38:47 wanted to give the phone back so he
38:48 could use every tool in this tool bit to
38:50 get data off the phone and so he had all
38:53 these tools and programs and he did
38:55 another extraction of the phone
38:57 including the cloud and the iTunes he
38:59 got the phone back on September 5th 2017
38:02 as well and he received the phone back
38:04 again and did another extraction of the
38:07 phone again each level took more and
38:09 more off of the phone there are new
38:11 capabilities now to gather more off the
38:12 phone and the new method gave new
38:15 information we don't know what that
38:17 information is but there is information
38:20 uh but they claimed it was minimal and
38:23 then even more they shipped it to
38:25 Homeland Security in Washington DC to
38:28 get method three extraction back with a
39:30 completely new report so this phone has
39:33 essentially gone through the ringer
39:34 there is nothing we don't know I'm
39:36 assuming about Libby's phone uh with the
39:39 amount of extractions that they did on
39:41 this because there was new technology
39:43 and then again they examed it in
39:46 2019 in his office once again with newer
39:49 technology which is interesting because
39:52 um yeah one second really quickly hold
39:55 on I'm going to mute this for a second I
39:57 have someone trying to help me with the
39:58 audio
39:22 here hey guys I just wanted to tell you
39:24 that was my kind roommate and and I was
39:26 standing up because they were trying to
39:27 help me figure out what was going on
39:29 with my internet and we don't think that
40:32 there's anything we can do just so you
40:34 know we are in an Airbnb and I did have
40:37 roommates that's why I kept getting up
40:38 and I was a little flustered because
40:40 they're watching too and they're saying
40:41 this isn't working and uh I'm trying to
40:44 fix it and we just don't know if there's
40:46 anything we can do because uh of the
40:48 Airbnb and it's we're on their Wireless
40:51 so I am so sorry um I'm really sorry
40:54 that it's continuing to buffer um I see
40:58 another line so hopefully it gets better
40:01 but I want you guys to know that you've
40:03 got like a team of people trying to help
40:05 me and uh hopefully it improves tomorrow
40:09 and maybe
40:15 today all right
40:18 um so this this telephone has been
40:21 through the ringer we learned over and
40:23 over and over again just how much this
40:25 phone has been through and through
40:26 different years and even in 2019 which I
40:28 find interesting because in 2019 there
41:30 was another press conference and that's
41:32 when they added guys down the hill to
41:35 bridge guys video asking for the
41:37 Public's help and that was two years
41:38 after the murders and and they did
41:40 another extraction then so now it's
41:42 cross exam with the defense and a woman
41:46 um the woman the female um is better now
41:50 I heard it's better now oh everyone's
41:52 saying it's better okay the internet the
41:56 internet gods are on our side thank you
41:58 well I've had all my roommates here
41:60 giving me the thumbs up all right better
41:02 now yay all right fingers crossed it
41:06 stays um so we're talking about the
41:09 phone all of all of the evidence that we
41:13 um that it's been through it's been
41:14 through the ringer and the defense then
41:16 asks um the female excuse me the female
41:20 defense attorney um o asks um are you
41:24 certified in sellbrite again sellbrite
41:27 is the program that the state of Indiana
41:29 is licensed to use for these really high
42:32 um intense extractions of cell phones in
42:35 their crime unit and they explain that
42:37 vendor certifications are not a thing
42:39 with police they don't do that and so he
42:40 says no I'm not certified um and I do
42:43 kind of get that I'll be honest uh
42:45 vendor vendor certifications are kind of
42:47 a marketing thing in my opinion uh they
42:50 explain the difference between a logical
42:52 extraction and an advanced extraction
42:55 and his extraction was a logical one and
42:57 there's 's a lot of debate now about
42:59 differing extractions uh full service at
42:02 the different levels one two and three
42:04 and again um they talk about the video
42:06 on the phone and uh the messaging a
42:10 service let's
42:13 see where am I
42:16 now all right oh so uh O then starts to
42:22 um ask him this witness about IM
42:26 messaging on the phone and if iMessaging
42:29 is a thing and there is an objection and
43:31 the judge overrules this objection and
43:33 says no um Liberty so they they're able
43:36 to say Does Liberty have iMessaging
43:38 enabled um the witness doesn't know
43:41 whether or not she has uh iMessaging
43:43 enabled well and she's saying well it
43:45 shows that she did have it enabled where
43:47 is she going with this right no one
43:49 knows where she is going well then she
43:52 explains does the find my iPhone app
43:54 help parents find their kids there's
43:56 another objection by the prosecution
43:58 with this line of questioning by the
43:59 defense is it true when you plug your
43:01 phone in and extract data you lose some
43:04 she asks um true is the answer actually
43:08 by by Brian bunner that yes you lose
43:11 some data every time you extract this is
43:14 interesting so when the plug phone was
43:16 plugged in in 2017 was Data lost the
43:19 defense asks not necessarily but
43:21 possibly yes so each time an extraction
43:24 is done we learn some data is Poss
43:27 possibly lost even if some data is
43:30 gained thought that was interesting
44:32 don't know how those extractions work
44:33 but that was new information to me and
44:36 then um we have mlen on the redirect
44:39 with Bryant bunner and uh explains again
44:42 that the vendor certification just isn't
44:44 a thing that Indiana State Police um
44:47 spend money on but he certainly is
44:49 trained by sellbrite doesn't feel like
44:51 he needs the
44:52 certification explains more of how he
44:55 does cell phone extractions and explains
44:58 that the but then he explains that the
44:01 GPS location is not always accurate
44:03 because they were pressing for latitude
44:04 and longitude of the video so this part
44:08 was really odd to me to me it's clear
44:12 from the video that they're on the mon
44:13 on high bridge the in the video in the
44:17 last video
44:18 right and then they spent a really long
44:21 time trying to argue that the latitude
44:23 and logitude of this time stamp at 213
44:26 doesn't match the mon on Highbridge I
44:29 just thought and they spent so long on
45:31 it I stopped taking notes I just felt it
45:32 was a little I mean it didn't do
45:34 anything for me maybe the jurors carry
45:36 about that detail but I thought well
45:38 clearly it's wrong because clearly to me
45:40 it's showing that the the Monon hybridge
45:42 but I guess they're just trying to
45:43 create doubt right that something is ay
45:47 um the GPS area shown by the attorney is
45:50 in range but it's not exactly where the
45:52 video is
45:54 taken the jury questions actually ask
45:56 about latitude UD and longitude what
45:58 info is on the database that the Apple
45:02 um what info is on the C database Apple
45:05 extracts data that no one knows existed
45:08 like look um some this is where the jury
45:12 questions yesterday I was stating that I
45:14 was loving the jury the jury questions
45:17 because it shows you their thought
45:19 process today I was kind of like really
45:22 this is what they're this is where
45:24 they're going like I don't know but it
45:28 was interesting nonetheless but I just
46:30 the questions they had were a little
46:32 interesting today especially on the cell
46:33 phone data and latitude and longitude
46:35 I'll just say that all right then it was
46:37 lunchtime at lunch I came out I shared
46:40 that we had seen that video and I wasn't
46:43 sure that I heard down the hill so I
46:45 thought it might be I had so many
46:47 questions the moment I got back again
46:50 from lunch those questions were answered
46:53 and I learned that down the hill was
46:56 said in that video at the very end ever
46:58 so slightly and the person Jeremy
46:60 Chapman who had been with the Indiana
46:02 State Police for 30 years came and his
46:06 job is to make photos and videos clear
46:09 and audio crisper that is what he does
46:12 and so boom he came in to answer all my
46:15 questions thank you Jeremy he explained
46:19 that uh there are filters that are used
46:21 to eliminate background noise and at the
46:23 time of this crime he was a sergeant
46:25 with Indiana State Police doing forensic
46:28 extractions as well he was sent the
47:30 video and uh again he he said that he
47:34 heard the girl say there's no path and
47:37 uh heard guys down the hill in quotes
47:40 and I wrote back I wrote I heard it this
47:43 time and I also assume that where Abby
47:48 says there is no path and she is saying
47:50 guys down the hill that that is the
47:51 Disturbed area that was referred to the
47:54 the slide that was referred to in
47:57 testimony yesterday that was continuing
47:00 to BR be brought up that uh down the
47:03 hill is where they had to slide honestly
47:07 maybe on there all the way down this
47:10 hill
47:13 yeah I put really I was really sad
47:15 hearing there it's just such a sad thing
47:18 to say um okay this is interesting you
47:23 ready for this this was not seen by me
47:26 this was seen by someone sitting next to
47:28 me and
48:32 uh according to a witness in
48:36 court Kathy Richard Allen's wife is
48:39 shaking her head in disgust during the
48:43 video being shown I did not look at
48:45 Kathy as I watched the video I was so
48:48 interested in the video but this person
48:52 turned to me and said did you see that
48:53 did you see that and her her words were
48:57 Kathy his wife was shaking her head and
48:59 what she thought was discussed discussed
48:02 watch while watching the video of course
48:03 that's her opinion in discussed but I'm
48:05 just relaying to you what someone told
48:07 me they saw in court that I did not
48:11 see um here are the other things I
48:14 noticed in the video they were all alone
48:17 completely alone and they were at a
48:20 complete dead
48:22 end it really was a perfect opportunity
48:25 for bridge guy
48:28 um the disturbance of slide I assume now
49:31 was where the girls were going to have
49:32 to were about to have to go down the
49:35 hill they had nowhere to go I wrote they
49:38 should have screamed I think that was my
49:40 maternal part of me saying that I can
49:43 see why they didn't why they were so
49:45 fearful and he had a weapon and they
49:47 were so young and didn't know what to do
49:50 and that you couldn't see anybody else
49:52 around right but it makes me think about
49:55 teaching children and again just to
49:58 scream scream as loud as they can I mean
49:01 I don't know if that would have helped
49:03 you know but I just broke my heart to
49:06 see this
49:07 video
49:09 um they enhance in certain frames and we
49:13 hear the enhanced audio down the hill
49:16 and we see the enhanced photo of bridge
49:20 guy now there is a new witness this
49:22 witness was really interesting to me we
49:24 got now and two witnesses that were
49:26 there the day that Libby and Abby were
49:29 allegedly murdered the first witness was
50:33 rayy Garrison Ry Garrison was brunette
50:36 she was younger she had glasses and very
50:38 long dark hair and I thought who is this
50:41 and back in 2017 she went to Deli high
50:44 school she was 16 years old back then
50:48 and she knew of liby and Abbey but she
50:51 didn't know them personally but she
50:52 certainly knew who they were enough that
50:55 she she had a phone and she used snap
50:57 chat and she was connected to Libby they
50:59 were friends on social
50:01 media she would actually go to the
50:03 bridge two to three times a week which
50:06 also shows just how popular this bridge
50:08 is in this area this bridge in this area
50:10 I think are really just Central to this
50:11 beautiful town and the community so she
50:14 would go to this bridge two to three
50:16 times a week sometimes every day she
50:18 would go alone or with friends uh this
50:22 day Ry um was actually let me see she
50:26 was at her dad's house I believe let me
50:28 confirm this she went a lot of places so
51:30 I want to make sure I have it right
51:33 um she was at her dad's house and then
51:36 she uh walked to her friends and stopped
51:41 at her mom's and she got her sister
51:43 12-year-old Isabelle and her other
51:45 sister Anna 13 years old she went with
51:47 her friend Bri uh who stopped by her
51:50 house she stopped by her friend Bree's
51:52 house on the way and she came too so
51:54 there were four girls Riley h 12 okay
51:57 this is where it was so she was at her
51:59 dad's house and Riley took her
51:01 12-year-old sister Isabelle with her and
51:03 then they stopped by breeze house and
51:05 they grabbed her friend Bri who was the
51:07 same age as rley and then they stopped
51:10 by ry's Mom house and grabbed her sister
51:12 Anna who was 13 years old so a
51:14 12-year-old a 13-year-old and two
51:16 16-year- olds all went they came across
51:19 town and they went across Freedom bridge
51:21 to the monan High Bridge which people
51:24 today started calling it simply
51:25 Highbridge uh for sure so if I say
51:27 hybridge or Monon Highbridge same same
52:30 they went out to the first platform so
52:34 the because it's an old Rail Road Track
52:35 there are little platforms throughout
52:37 the bridge this was a very scary bridge
52:40 and they went out to the first platform
52:42 but only Bri and Ry went on the
52:45 Highbridge not the 12 and 13-year-old
52:48 sisters of rley it was at 11:30 a.m. and
52:51 they only went to that first platform
52:53 they took some photographs and then they
52:55 went down by the river to take
52:57 additional photos now um rayy actually
52:01 loved taking photographs she had a Nikon
52:02 so she was not taking pictures with her
52:04 cell phone so they were not timestamped
52:07 like they would have been on an iPhone
52:09 or a cell phone she was taking them with
52:10 a Nikon she went down to the right side
52:13 area with less brush and trees on the
52:15 right hand side she took pictures of the
52:16 water and nature she went back up the
52:19 same way they came down it was a nice
52:22 day it was sunny and she said it was 47°
52:26 out she she had a light jacket um they
52:29 stopped her then the pro the prosecution
53:31 stopped her and said okay can you
53:32 explain why you know the exact
53:34 temperature back from 2017 and she said
53:36 it was because her dad had checked the
53:39 temperature because he was concerned
53:41 about her being too cold and her sister
53:43 they checked the temps they worried
53:45 about me hence I know the temperature
53:47 because her dad checked it before she
53:49 left and realized that they were going
53:51 to be okay she did not see anyone on the
53:54 high bridge at all but she did see
53:57 someone on the way out she saw someone
53:01 walking to the mon on Highbridge and she
53:04 saw someone when she left she saw
53:06 someone walking their dog um at first
53:09 and she recalls that the time around
53:12 this was right before 2:30 because she
53:15 had to be home by 2:30 she remembers
53:17 that so this is kind of complicated now
53:19 right because if she had to be home by
53:20 2:30 and the girls took the video of the
53:24 bridge guy at um at at 2113 we're
53:30 talking you know
54:32 shortly just put a pin in that she said
54:35 hi as she left um okay so she saw
54:39 somebody else um Beyond some besides
54:42 someone walking a dog she saw a man and
54:45 rley said that she said hi as uh she
54:48 went past this man and rather than
54:51 saying hi back he glared at her and he
54:55 did not say hi back back um I put in in
54:59 parenthesis here to check the probable
54:00 cause because this is this story is in
54:02 the probable cause that a Witnesses saw
54:05 someone that did not say hi
54:07 back when rayley heard that the girls
54:10 were missing she immediately thought of
54:12 the man walking that she saw she asked
54:16 she was asked to make a statement after
54:18 she called police and this was on uh
54:20 February 15th the day after the girls
54:23 bodies were
54:25 found and then she ALS Al took pictures
54:28 of Brie on the bridge her friend Bri she
55:32 gave a description of a man that was
55:35 overdressed for the weather because it
55:37 was fairly it was warmer for that time
55:39 of the year that he had a hat his face
55:43 was covered he had darker clothes he was
55:46 Caucasian light skinned he had a hood on
55:49 with a hat and had a jacket up over his
55:52 mouth around the nose she then used
55:56 hands to show how much was covered like
55:60 this and you probably can't hear me when
55:02 I do that but this is what she did she
55:04 said is his face was covered to about
55:07 right
55:08 there uh and she remembered this because
55:12 while she was wearing a wind jacket he
55:14 was definitely overdressed he had his
55:16 hands in his pocket she first Saw His
55:20 image on Facebook and by that she means
55:22 Bridge guys image the the man in the
55:25 video and when she saw the image she
55:27 realized this was the man that she saw
55:29 on the trail that did not respond to her
56:32 as she walked by rley by the way said
56:35 there was a day off of school because
56:37 they were doing a makeup for a snow
56:39 day um at the freedom Bridge close to
56:43 the end still in the trees
56:47 um oh so she walked up to the map to
56:49 kind of explain where she was and it was
56:51 confusing so I'm writing what I'm seeing
56:53 but I'm not certain so I'm going to skip
56:54 this because I was partially loed so she
56:57 went up with a pointer to show show
56:59 where she saw Bridge guy and I am just
56:01 not certain enough to even tell you but
56:03 she was explaining that as they were
56:05 leaving the man walked by her that she
56:09 believes was Bridge guy and he scalled
56:11 and didn't
56:12 respond now uh a comes back with some
56:18 cross exam
56:20 and a did a pretty good job she brought
56:23 up some things that um that rley said
56:27 back in 2017 originally she said that
56:30 the man was wearing all black she had
57:33 stated that to Steve Mullins she said
57:35 that she she answered and said well yes
57:38 I thought he was in all black but when I
57:41 saw him she realized it was uh him and
57:44 he was just simply wearing darker
57:46 clothing but admitted that yeah she
57:47 might have said all black the first time
57:51 she described the man is in his 30s and
57:53 a bigger build on 21717
57:57 she says he was muscular with dirty
57:58 blonde hair well she
57:00 explains that he was covered and layered
57:03 so he looked larger at that time she
57:07 could uh hear she
57:11 could see hair long enough that it was
57:13 coming out of the hoodie and then there
57:15 was a question that said you said his
57:17 hair was Curly and she says I don't
57:19 recall saying that they handed a
57:21 statement that she originally made in
57:23 February 2017 by the defense and
57:25 appearance that she might have said that
57:26 he had curly brown eyes and a square jaw
58:30 and then she gave another statement in
58:32 2021 you said um that your memory might
58:35 have impacted the things that she had
58:37 seen and she agrees that her memory may
58:39 have been impacted a bit she says that
58:42 she originally saw him though at 2:15
58:47 and that brings a concern
58:49 because the girl's video was taken at
58:53 213 time stamped at 213 so
58:57 I put a little side eye there like H
58:59 that's that's rough she said the man was
58:02 taller than her she is 5'7 so she
58:05 suggested the man may be 5'10 Richard
58:08 Allen the man who's on trial is about
58:11 5'5
58:13 um so yeah there were some certain
58:16 questions um about her recollection but
58:19 on redirect she said that uh she
58:24 absolutely believes that Bridge guy is
58:27 the man she saw that did not say hello
58:30 to her she said that she um had never
59:34 given a statement to police before and
59:37 had never been asked to estimate
59:38 someone's height or to look before and
59:41 there were no time stamps on the camera
59:43 so she's admitting that like hindsight
59:44 is everything like she didn't know that
59:46 she was going to be needing to give a
59:47 statement about this man's height and
59:50 about what he looked like and it was all
59:51 from memory and she did the best she
59:53 could but she stands and said she she
59:55 says she's certain that it was Bridge
59:57 guy I don't know how that necessarily
59:59 helps the prosecution I'm going to be
59:01 honest
59:02 because um this is the trial of Richard
59:04 Allen and if they're gonna try to say
59:07 that Ry absolutely saw Bridge guy and
59:10 the description doesn't necessarily
59:12 match Richard Allen I don't know that
59:14 how that necessarily helps uh the
59:16 prosecution prove that uh Richard Allen
59:21 um is the murderer but but you know to
59:23 be determined I also want to point out
59:25 though that Richard Allen uh was in his
59:27 40s back in 2017 so um you know it he he
60:32 was a lot younger 7 years ago weren't we
60:35 all ah seven years
60:37 ago I was such a young buck
60:40 okay um I really was because that was uh
60:44 before I was a mother and seven years
60:46 later it's really denle all right
60:50 um she was certain when she saw the pick
60:54 of brid guy Bridge guy that that was who
60:56 she saw saw and then we have another
60:58 crossed event says the pick you saw
60:60 influenced your memory isn't that true
60:02 and then ry's response again she gets
60:04 really kind of almost defiant she says I
60:06 am certain that that is the man I saw
60:08 the bridge guy was who she saw the
60:10 picture of bridge guy um so they're not
60:13 she's not saying that Richard Allen is
60:14 the man I saw she's saying the bridge
60:15 Guy The Man in the picture is the man
60:17 she saw um whoever Bridge guy is the
60:22 defense ends with saying well you said
60:24 black jeans and a black shirt
60:27 and that's
61:32 that okay now we go to Bri Brienne
61:38 Wilbur is her name and that was the
61:41 friend that was with um rley that day so
61:46 they were with ry's sisters and her
61:48 friend Bri so we're going to be able to
61:51 I I like this I appreciate this now
61:53 let's compare Brie's story with ry's
61:56 story right let's find out
61:59 um
61:01 so she's a friend ofy and she actually
61:05 did know Libby she did know Libby and
61:08 she knew Libby through Kelsey because
61:10 Kelsey German who dropped Abby and Libby
61:13 off that day um was Bree's best friend
61:18 so this is close to home right for her
61:21 she said that she used Snapchat the
61:23 Snapchat app back in 2017 in she
61:26 actually had Libby or Liberty as a
61:29 Snapchat friend she went to the Manan
62:32 high bridge that day with rley it was a
62:35 place that she visited often with
62:36 friends uh it was a walking
62:39 distance um from her friends and from
62:43 her house and on 2113 she went with Ry
62:46 and Anna um she was at her thank you so
62:50 much attorney Melanie little I
62:51 appreciate it she went at her house and
62:55 you know what guys pause I've got to
62:57 turn on the light it's getting darker
62:59 and darker and while you guys can see me
62:01 because there's light on my computer I
62:02 cannot read my notebook anymore so let's
62:05 find out where the light switch
62:19 is oh good now I'm orange so
62:24 okay um here we go I can at least
62:28 despite the lighting color I can at
62:29 least now
63:31 see my
63:33 notebook so she was friends with Libby
63:35 on Snapchat this is Bri and she visited
63:38 the monan Highbridge often and the
63:40 trails often she went with rayy this day
63:43 to the High Bridge to take photographs
63:45 she would only go onto the monan High
63:48 Bridge though one or two steps she was
63:50 scared of the bridge she did not trust
63:52 it she wasn't one to venture onto this
63:53 bridge um so she only went on one or or
63:56 two steps she would walk over Freedom
63:58 bridge to get to the mon on high bridge
63:59 and after getting to the mon on high
63:01 bridge she would take pics and then she
63:04 uh would chat but she did not cross the
63:07 bridge she did post a photo from that
63:10 dat using SnapChat she posted it when
63:13 they were getting ready to leave and she
63:14 saw a few people um she took the pics on
63:19 the way back from where they were
63:21 hanging out and the last photo they
63:24 asked was on the way home then as in
63:27 like walking back from the trails and
63:29 she wrotes yes she writes yes and they
64:32 provided those photos to law enforcement
64:35 along with the Snapchat
64:37 timestamp so they they publish for the
64:41 jury the time stamp and the time stamp
64:45 the first pick of the monan Highbridge
64:47 standing back was at 12:43 that was the
64:50 first photo taken at
64:52 2113 the second photo was taken on our
64:55 way back and was at
64:58 1:26 at 213 at one of the benches so
64:02 that changes by the way ry's idea that
64:05 she saw the man at 215 this is now
64:07 really kind of
64:08 Shifting that it's now making me feel a
64:11 little bit better about what she saw
64:14 because we're getting timestamps from
64:17 Snapchat at 1
64:20 126
64:21 and then Brie says that we saw one or
64:25 two people on our way out and we saw a
64:29 man dressed in many many layers walking
65:32 with purpose is how Bri explains it and
65:36 then Bri explains that Ry says hi to
65:38 everyone it's just something reallyy
65:39 does she's really nice and she likes
65:42 it's because we're a community here in
65:44 Deli and so whenever reallyy would see
65:45 someone she would always say hi and that
65:48 people would most likely say hi back to
65:51 rley and so she also remembers that rley
65:54 said hi to this man and he did not say
65:57 hi back and it gave Bri some really
65:01 weird
65:02 Vibes she also remembers that this man
65:05 had a jacket on and she explains that as
65:08 we were walking back she got a message
65:11 from Libby Libby herself on Snapchat
65:15 asking if Bri was still at the monan
65:18 Highbridge hi um so that would mean that
65:23 this was all happening and that they saw
65:25 the man before the last video on Libby's
66:30 phone right so Libby asks if they were
66:35 still on the trail she messaged me and I
66:38 told her no we had just left 10 minutes
66:40 ago referring to the Monon
66:42 hybridge she then was with
66:46 Kelsey when so Bri was then with Kelsey
66:49 when Kelsey's grandmother called Kelsey
66:51 to say that Libby was missing she
66:54 informed law enforcement right away that
66:56 this person was walking with a purpose
66:59 they couldn't see Brie could not see
66:01 much hair said that he had on a blue
66:04 jacket and blue pants so she so this
66:07 sounds more like Bridge guy and uh
66:10 learned the next day that Abby and Libby
66:13 were actually dead and she saw Bridge
66:16 guy on social media the the footage of
66:18 bridge guy on social media and realized
66:21 that that was the person that she
66:23 saw uh questions being asked to Bri how
66:26 long after the bench photo did you run
66:28 into Bridge guy Bri explains that she
67:31 does not know the exact time but she was
67:33 still in the woods meaning that they
67:34 weren't completely out so it might not
67:37 have been that long after she left the
67:39 bridge and the bridge guy was allegedly
67:42 walking towards the bridge or who they
67:44 think is the bridge guy this man with
67:46 many layers was walking towards the
67:47 bridge while they were walking away from
67:49 the bridge Baldwin does a cross exam and
67:52 he explains that Bri described the
67:55 height and said that he was a taller man
67:57 again Richard Allen sitting here in
67:59 court is five five so they're clearly
67:02 making mention of the height
67:06 um he gave a statement in August of 2020
67:11 to the Marshall's office or breeded and
67:13 will she review her words she she told
67:16 police that he was probably in his early
67:19 30s she responds I was 16 which is true
67:23 like you never know how old someone is
67:24 when you're 16 right or I hope not
67:27 because I've got a story for you some
67:29 young man guessed how old I was and was
68:32 not good all right um anyway so a zip up
68:37 windbreaker jacket we so I want to
68:39 imagine that 16y olds don't know how old
68:41 somebody is um a hoodie said he that he
68:46 had a zipup windbreaker jacket had a
68:47 hoodie on or something on his head
68:50 redirect she confirms that she saw the
68:52 man Bridge guy that the man she saw was
68:55 the man in the photo of bridge guy as
68:59 she left the courtroom I noted this as
68:01 Bri left the courtroom so the pro so the
68:04 the door of the courtroom is over here
68:07 and I'm sitting on one side the right
68:10 side by the door which is also where the
68:12 defense sits and on this side is uh the
68:15 prosecution side where the victim's
68:17 families uh sit and as she walked out
68:21 she waved over and she waved at Kelsey
68:23 goodbye Kelsey German is in court that's
68:26 Libby's sister and they they waved at
68:28 each other as she
68:29 left the next witness was Elizabeth or
69:33 Betsy Blair Betsy Blair as we'll call
69:35 her she frequented the Monon High Bridge
69:38 Trail in 2016 and 2017 often to walk the
69:42 trail between the freedom bridge and the
69:45 High Bridge mon on high bridge she would
69:47 walk the high bridge now she explained
69:49 everywhere she walked I've been to the
69:51 Highbridge I've been down these trails
69:52 and by the time she was explaining every
69:55 which way she went I was completely lost
69:57 but let's just say she's a rock star she
69:00 does this uh I said finally she goes
69:04 back and forth and everywhere and she
69:05 would do this epic loop three times a
69:08 day every day um go Betsy you are an
69:12 inspiration she did two loops on
69:16 February
69:18 13th and then she took a break before
69:20 she started her third Loop or started
69:22 the third Loop and then she left um and
69:25 as she left she saw a car parked
69:27 discreetly this is important she brings
69:30 up a car so Betsy brings up a couple
70:31 things that um are
70:33 important as she leaves before she does
70:36 the third Loop she notices a car parked
70:39 discreetly she mentions as a car that's
70:41 interesting to me she went then to the
70:45 library to use the restroom and then she
70:47 came back after using the restroom to
70:50 finish her third loop again Rockstar
70:52 Betsy I should just like try going on a
70:55 a walk you know twice a week and she's
70:57 incredible doing these loops and she's
70:59 has to go to the restroom she goes to
70:00 the library she comes back she's going
70:01 to finish her Loop and on the third Loop
70:04 she saw a man on the bridge she went to
70:08 the orange barricade right by the mon on
70:10 high bridge as she saw the person um she
70:14 he was on the he was on a bridge on a
70:16 platform she explains and then she went
70:19 back the other direction to finish her
70:21 Loop then she saw two girls and she
70:24 noticed that these two girls were
70:26 walking and they were chatting quietly
70:28 and
70:29 intimately later that day she sees that
71:32 Libby and Abby are missing on the news
71:34 her husband tells her that there are two
71:36 girls missing because he knows that she
71:39 goes to the mon on hybridge Trails so he
71:41 says by the way there's two girls
71:42 missing she looks at their photos and
71:44 she realizes that those were the two
71:46 girls she saw walking she saw Libby and
71:48 Abby Betsy claims this so she called uh
71:53 the Sheriff's Office to report that she
71:55 had seen them
71:56 and immediately that she recognized them
71:58 in their photos the next day it was
71:00 reported that the girls were deceased
71:03 and she sees Bridge guy on the news she
71:07 recognizes him as the man that she saw
71:09 on the bridge platform and she went and
71:12 called police and she went and gave a
71:15 statement then they take her Fitbit data
71:18 again Betsy total Rockstar she's got her
71:20 Fitbit data and it's all handed to the
71:23 jury to explain the multiple Loops that
71:25 she took that day so they see between
71:29 1200 and 1 1200 and 1 p.m. that she is
72:31 walking the first two Loops at at the
72:34 trails now the third loop again she took
72:37 a break before the third Loop went to
72:38 the library used the restroom came back
72:41 the third Loop is where she says that
72:42 she saw Bridge guy at the beginning of
72:45 the loop he was out on the bridge on a
72:48 platform out there she he looked at her
72:52 when she came to the barricade I guess
72:54 there's a barricade at the bridge pretty
72:56 much like it don't cross this there's a
72:58 barricade never never works but you know
72:59 they've got a barricade there he looks
72:02 at her as if he was waiting for someone
72:05 but he wasn't looking for her she was
72:07 about 50 feet away and she could not see
72:11 his face clearly and then it was also on
72:14 that third Loop that she saw the two
72:16 girls and they were headed to the Monon
72:18 high
72:19 bridge now there's a cross exam with
72:22 Baldwin and this is where it's really
72:23 interesting I want to remind you that
72:25 she mentioned a vehicle because this is
72:29 interesting so she explains that she
73:31 went to the mean the mir's entrance um
73:35 there's an unobstructed View and she
73:37 said that the man was in his 20s or 30s
73:41 and said that there was brown hair to
73:45 the person making a sketch okay
73:50 pause the sketches of the alleged Bridge
73:53 guy there are two separate sketches one
73:55 relased in 2017 and One released in 2019
73:59 and a lot of people think they look
73:01 vastly different from one another I
73:02 actually think they look kind of similar
73:04 but one's older one's younger there are
73:05 two separate sketches the prosecution
73:08 has worked really hard to not have the
73:10 sketches entered as evidence or seen at
73:13 this
73:14 trial but what's going to make it so
73:16 that all of a sudden the sketches will
73:18 need to be entered a witness mentioning
73:21 the sketches and at this moment Betsy
73:24 mentions the sketch sketches she states
73:28 that she had an unobstructed
73:30 view that she claimed that this man was
74:33 in his 20s or 30s and said that had and
74:38 that she stated to the person that he
74:40 had brown hair and stated it to the
74:43 person making the sketch Boom at that
74:46 moment a lot of us looked around at each
74:49 other and we said the sketches will now
74:52 be entered like that is going to make it
74:54 that the sketches will be absolutely
74:57 yeah Betsy opened the door to sketches
74:00 being presented in
74:02 court and uh I I wrote that can the
74:05 sketches come in now she just brought it
74:08 up uh but she explains that this person
74:11 this bridge guy looked young more boyish
74:14 looking in quotes beautiful in
74:16 appearance average height was her best
74:19 guess she did not see any facial hair
74:22 and was not he was not wearing a hat or
74:25 at least she did not see one she left
74:28 through the mir's exit that's the same
75:32 way that Abby and Libby were dropped off
75:35 and came in by Kelsey the mir's uh
75:37 entrance she left and she went westbound
75:40 on 300 north um and then this is
75:43 interesting the defense asks her about a
75:50 vehicle that she saw and it's a there's
75:54 an objection because it's out of scope
75:57 like it's not relevant and that was
75:59 sustained by the judge but I thought
75:01 that was really interesting because she
75:03 did bring up an obscured vehicle she
75:06 brought up a
75:07 vehicle that she says was
75:11 um you know that was sort of hidden and
75:15 when uh the defense went to bring it up
75:17 they the prosecution stated that was out
75:19 of out of the line of questioning Beyond
75:23 scope beyond the scope and was sustained
75:26 by the judge and I just you know
75:27 questioned for my law friends I was
75:28 really confused I'm like wait she
75:30 brought up a car too so couldn't they
76:32 ask about the car in a cross exam I
76:35 don't know yeah baldon was just about to
76:37 ask about vehicles and the judge
76:39 sustained that it was outside the scope
76:42 so I don't
76:43 know uh jury the jury has questions for
76:46 her they ask um what distance uh was she
76:50 from the man on the bridge she again
76:52 explains it was 50 feet and then a
76:54 question by the jury
76:56 how could you tell that he was looking
76:58 at someone and her answer is that she
76:00 could tell by his posture the way he
76:02 stood the way he sort of like presented
76:05 himself from a distance it just seemed
76:06 like maybe he was waiting for somebody
76:08 or looking for someone another question
76:11 from the jury is uh she said that he had
76:14 poofy hair that is true she said that he
76:17 had poofy hair and there is a sketch
76:18 with some poofy hair so now I think I'm
76:21 kind of figuring out why there was a
76:22 sketch with someone with poofy hair she
76:24 said that he had poofy hair and a juror
76:27 asks could you have mistaken poofy hair
77:30 for a hat thought that was a great
77:32 question because it actually I think
77:34 this could be true and she answers yes I
77:37 could have mistaken poofy hair for a hat
77:40 so the jury questions to Betsy I thought
77:42 were great we ended the day on Steve
77:45 Mullins again Steve Mullins testified
77:47 the first day of trial at opening
77:49 statements he's a Carol he's an
77:51 investigator for the Carol County
77:53 prosecutor's office and he explained how
77:55 they received um surveillance video from
77:59 the hoer Harvest store which has
77:01 surveillance video on um that street
77:04 going in and out of the mon monan
77:06 hybridge Trail or nearby and uh so this
77:11 is what they they got to confirm that
77:15 the Witnesses were actually at the trail
77:17 like they claimed they were um this is
77:21 what I have at 12:02 they have Betsy
77:24 going eastbound towards the trails at
77:27 1:15 they have Betsy going away that's
77:30 probably to use the restroom at 146 they
78:32 have Betsy going back and then 149 they
78:36 have Kelsey leaving the area after
78:38 dropping Abby and Libby off and then at
78:41 218 they have Betsy leaving and at 3:56
78:46 they have Sarah going uh Sarah has not
78:49 testified yet so we're clearly going to
78:50 hear from aarah maybe tomorrow but uh
78:54 they confirmed all these times so to
78:57 point out that these
78:59 Witnesses likely did see Bridge guy um
78:03 not one of them said that he was
78:06 55 and uh so again it'll be it'll be
78:09 interesting to see how they tie these
78:11 sightings that they claim are bridge guy
78:13 these witnesses that claim that they saw
78:15 Bridge guy um on the trail to uh Richard
78:19 Allen but these three Witnesses are
78:22 certain they saw Bridge guy
78:27 um that was today let me let me look and
79:31 then I'm going to answer a few
79:37 questions yep shows screenshots that
79:40 Steve Mullin took of the surveillance
79:46 video yeah that's it so let's get to
79:49 questions again and I just want to
79:51 apologize for earlier um the technical
79:54 difficulties we had with streaming and
79:56 the buffering I I hope it's okay now
79:58 thanks everybody for sticking with me so
79:02 let's first go to the start questions um
79:06 thank you Kaylee I appreciate that
79:10 um a toz thank you so much for gifting
79:19 memberships CC says Dr John's opinion of
79:22 the defendant is something I'm curious
79:23 to hear well head to our pod podcast and
79:26 you can hear uh some of his thoughts not
79:28 in detail about his background or
80:30 anything but you can certainly hear some
80:32 of Dr John's thoughts on this case uh it
80:34 was just posted to our podcast last
80:37 night or you can listen on YouTube to uh
80:42 he shared some thoughts on the case
80:44 before it went to
80:47 trial thank you Cindy so
80:50 much I appreciate that you appreciate my
80:53 detailed notes they're not for everyone
80:54 but again because the reason I'm doing
80:56 detailed notes whether they're for
80:57 everyone or not is because there is no
80:00 audio there is no video there is no live
80:03 tweeting and I feel like it's a bit of
80:05 almost a duty to just share every note I
80:08 took in there and put it out here I will
80:11 also do summaries by the end of the week
80:13 so if detail notes are not your jam look
80:17 for a summary of what we learned that is
80:20 really interesting at the end of each
80:21 week so we're John and I are also
80:24 working I'm putting that together too so
80:27 thank you for appreciating though the
80:28 detailed
81:31 notes Rachel thank you so so
81:34 much I appreciate that thank you Mama
81:40 T thank you Jane oh you guys thank you
81:43 so much I came for questions and you
81:45 guys are all just thank you thank you
81:47 thank you I appreciate
81:52 it uh Lisa asks
81:55 does my opinion change about the
81:57 proximity of bridge guy after seeing the
81:59 video in full just catching up listening
81:01 to the very beginning message um the
81:04 proximity meaning how close Bridge guy
81:05 was to the girls is that what we mean
81:10 um I think I think I don't know if my
81:13 opinion changed I just think it filled
81:16 in some blanks because I don't know if I
81:18 had a strong opinion I just think it
81:19 helped with context I'm always waiting
81:21 for context before I put everything
81:22 together and I really didn't know
81:25 you know the video I mentioned this on
81:27 my lunch live but when they show him
81:30 walking and they say down the hill it
82:31 was really clear to me
82:33 that that they spliced that together
82:36 because he's so far
82:37 away you know I knew that and you can't
82:41 see his mouth
82:42 moving but so I guess now that we're
82:45 saying this thank you for helping me
82:47 walk this through I think you're right
82:48 my opinion has changed a bit because
82:50 after seeing the
82:52 video him seeming so far away realizing
82:55 that the girls were kind of at the end
82:57 it was like he was walking towards them
82:58 quickly and yeah he now seems a lot
82:00 closer to me so see right after seeing
82:03 the video in full and hearing down the
82:05 hill by Bridge
82:07 guy um and seeing how far down I mean
82:11 they were so alone I think you're right
82:13 it makes me realize that he was a lot he
82:15 was closer they had nowhere to go it was
82:17 a dead end and he was coming and he was
82:19 getting them down the hill
82:21 before um anything else
82:30 aby's arms again Dorian great question
83:33 aby's arms were in the sleeves of the
83:35 sweatshirt but they were not out they
83:38 were they were still inside the sleeves
83:40 so the sleeves were covering her hands
83:44 and she was like um this so these are
83:47 how her hands but then the sleeves were
83:49 covering them and after they pulled the
83:51 sleeves down that's where they could see
83:53 her hands
83:57 thank you
83:58 lii thank you Melanie so
83:06 much
83:13 um
83:17 um all right so let's go to the live and
83:20 I'll look for any questions if you have
83:22 a question use a red question mark Mar
83:25 it helps me find questions a little bit
84:38 more so do investigators and prosecutors
84:40 believe that Libby stop the recording of
84:42 bridge guy immediately after he says
84:44 down the hill do they believe he didn't
84:46 know she was filming him I I think
84:48 you're actually asking great questions I
84:50 don't know if we know um I believe that
84:54 he didn't no they were filming him and
84:55 the reason I believe that is after
84:57 seeing the video she has it down at her
84:59 side she's pointing the phone towards
84:01 gravel so she's like clearly filming
84:03 Abby and then she kind of puts the phone
84:05 down you saw him in the distance and
84:08 then when you hear down the hill her
84:11 phone is pointed at the gravel it's
84:13 shaky she's getting aby's you know jeans
84:16 so I think she was certainly not looking
84:19 like she was filming and I don't believe
84:21 he might have known that she filmed him
84:25 who
85:30 knows uh the defenses demeanor towards
85:33 Witnesses they're certainly being hard
85:35 on them I um I feel like they were uh
85:38 the defense was a little bit nicer to
85:39 the three witnesses that weren't law
85:41 enforcement so with rayy and Bri and
85:46 Betsy they were um a little bit softer
85:51 but when it comes to law enforcement
85:52 sorry I just got scared by a moth they
85:54 were definitely harder on law law
85:56 enforcement um especially today Rosie's
85:59 demeanor while trying to really push uh
85:02 the CSI investigator um Ryan he was he
85:06 was pretty um defiant and impassioned um
85:11 that reminds me I did not finish the
85:13 most important thing with Betsy I
85:15 brought up Betsy's name again so I told
85:17 you guys that there's this moment where
85:19 she brought up the sketch so the jury
85:22 leaves and it's brought up right away by
85:25 the defense the defense says to the
85:27 judge look can we bring in the sketch
85:28 now it's come up in court and the
86:30 prosecution doesn't even argue like I
86:32 think they knew like yeah she opened the
86:34 door and so yeah the sketches will be
86:37 coming into court now um so I don't know
86:42 if that's necessarily I don't have a
86:44 strong opinion on if it's a bad or good
86:45 thing because honestly I think the
86:47 sketches um it's you know I think they
86:50 could look like several men it's an
86:52 average sketch I don't think it is
86:55 necessarily
86:57 bad okay a few people have asked me if
86:59 the girls mentioned a gun on video
86:00 because I had heard that they might do
86:02 that and I did not hear it but I can't
86:05 say it's not there either because I did
86:08 not hear a lot the first time and then
86:10 the second time around I heard more so
86:13 I'm not going to trust what I heard and
86:16 didn't hear with the Acoustics of this
86:18 court room so I did not hear the
86:20 mentioning of the gun but that doesn't
86:22 mean it wasn't said
86:28 um so glad Aussie
87:40 girl what was on the video was Abby
87:44 walking at the end of the bridge Libby
87:47 was already it seems like it was like
87:49 just as they were getting to the end of
87:51 the bridge like I think they went like
87:52 Abby went from the bridge to the land
87:56 like not on the bridge and it's
87:58 unfortunately the dead end of the bridge
87:00 where it's private property and uh then
87:03 it's pointing at gravel when you hear
87:06 the words down the hill um and I
87:08 actually didn't hear guys down the hill
87:10 I just heard down the hill but again I
87:11 believe the guys is there and I just
87:13 heard down the hill and you see part of
87:16 aby's pants you know like I said it's
87:18 kind of shaky like she's putting the
87:20 phone at her side and then it kind of
87:22 turns around and Libby clearly turns
87:24 around and
87:25 follows Abby and Abby says there's no
87:27 path like as in how are we supposed to
87:29 go down this hill as this man is
88:31 demanding that we do this with this dead
88:37 end uh could you compare voices I I am
88:40 curious to know if they're going to
88:41 bring in like a voice recogn recognition
88:44 expert to compare
88:47 voices could you tell us more about the
88:49 jury yeah so the jury is um seven women
88:53 five men men um it's not the most
88:58 diverse jury I've ever seen but I just
88:60 don't think it's a very diverse area but
88:02 they are diverse in
88:05 ages um so but but five five men seven
88:13 women and I think as diverse as you're
88:16 going to get in this uh area of the
88:18 country
88:27 right
89:32 exactly Richard Allen's demeanor in
89:34 court today you know he looks around a
89:37 lot and he looks around a lot at one
89:40 point according to another Witness by me
89:43 in court this is also something that I
89:45 missed after lunch he turned around
89:47 towards his mother and wife were there
89:49 every day and winked and smiled um I
89:53 don't know who that was too whether that
89:54 was to his mother or to Cathy and again
89:57 I did not see it someone else saw it I
89:59 believe them because he certainly looks
89:01 around a lot and makes eye contact I I
89:04 also saw him sort of grinning today I
89:06 did not see Baldwin any of the defense
89:08 attorneys with their arm around him
89:10 today um but he he yeah he looks around
89:13 he was looking at notes and he was in a
89:16 plaid shirt and brown pants and a brown
89:20 belt and he definitely looks um
89:25 he definitely looks worn out but this is
89:27 interesting I I didn't share this this
89:29 is day two of court and I never shared
90:30 this but before court started on day two
90:33 we were sitting we well I often sit
90:35 right behind the defense and so I'm an
90:39 earshot and Baldwin um the defense
90:42 attorney Baldwin came up and put his arm
90:45 around uh Kathy his wife as well as
90:48 Richard Allen's mother and said hello to
90:51 them and said you know I haven't seen
90:53 Richard Allen I wrote down the exact
90:55 quote let's see if I can find it but he
90:57 said I haven't seen Richard Allen it's
90:58 one of the first things I ever wrote in
90:59 my notes it was my
90:04 um let's just find
90:13 it
90:15 um well okay I can't find it that fast I
90:19 guess but he said I haven't seen Richard
90:21 Allen looking this good um since they
90:25 first arrested
90:28 him thought was interesting right um I
91:31 still want to find it okay found it
91:33 found I was like I got to find it exact
91:35 quotes Baldwin to Richard Allen's mother
91:39 in quotes he's as good as I've seen him
91:41 since the first day I saw him this is
91:43 before court begins on Saturday October
91:46 19th
91:47 2024 so there you go
91:11 um sorry guys sorry about um I'm seeing
91:16 you guys are seeing yeah uh blood
91:19 spatter forgive me Smith and Wesson I'm
91:22 learning guys so thank you for your
91:23 patience as I relay
91:26 things in court without Google to to
91:29 double check myself I just have my notes
92:31 and then I jump on
92:33 here they did say Richard Allen's name
92:36 more today because they were asking
92:38 mostly by the defense asking if he was
92:40 tied to uh evidence and sort of implying
92:44 that he doesn't match Witnesses um uh
92:47 who witnesses say is Bridge guy but it
92:49 was mostly the defense bringing his name
92:51 up not the prosecution
92:55 I don't think cameras will ever be
92:57 allowed thank you Gabby so
92:01 much yeah I agree you know a person
92:04 wearing a hoodie or a hat or wearing
92:06 hiking type boots would look taller and
92:07 again nobody's thinking that they're
92:09 going to have to give like uh you know a
92:12 report to someone that they randomly see
92:14 on a trail
92:16 um
92:20 so yeah
92:30 um it was just Richard or sorry um it
93:34 was
93:39 just am I sorry forgive me
93:46 guys okay Dian is asking forgive me
93:49 Diana is asking could the down the hill
93:50 be in response to where is the path
93:53 didn't you say the Abby or liby said
93:55 down the hill as well maybe he's
93:56 verifying the path that was down the
93:58 hill I heard Bridge Guy saying down the
93:01 hill I did not hear Abby or Libby saying
93:03 down the hill only a male voice that I
93:07 assume is Bridge guy because you
93:08 couldn't see Bridge guy you could just
93:10 hear a man's voice say down the hill it
93:12 was very
93:15 faint yes he could have been wearing you
93:17 know who knows why he looked
93:22 taller uh the 43 second video was
93:24 allegedly uncut
93:27 yes
93:29 um all
94:34 right I'll see if Joseph got Morgan yeah
94:38 um Can that's a good question Cynthia is
94:41 Richard Allen's daughter a witness I I
94:42 don't know but I will say that she has
94:44 not been to court she has not Sat by her
94:49 uh mother or her grandmother and she has
94:51 not been there so so that's a good
94:52 question is she just not showing up or
94:54 is she's somehow a witness for the state
94:56 um I don't know I don't know what she'd
94:57 be a witness for but it's a great
94:59 question thank you so
94:05 much oh yeah the for people saying
94:08 something about the video like implying
94:09 that there were two two men or someone
94:12 there was only one man um in the video
94:15 that anyone could see just one person
94:19 all right guys um I might take off
94:21 soon um
94:25 yeah Alicia I I agree and also like how
94:28 do you it's hard to tell how tall bridge
95:30 guy is right think about um us looking
95:33 at Bridge guy I can't tell if he's six
95:35 feet tall or if he's 5 foot4 right so I
95:39 kind of have a little bit of empathy for
95:41 the witnesses like not knowing exactly
95:43 how T is right but I can't tell how T is
95:46 on the bridge
95:50 um nobody was asking if Richard Allen
95:53 looked like Bridge guy today no one was
95:56 asking them so they're clearly waiting
95:59 again to bring him
95:04 in thank you casyl I appreciate
95:08 it all
95:12 right thank you guys again I'm sorry for
95:15 the technical difficulties we had in the
95:17 middle of this live I'm so so sorry
95:19 thank you for sticking with me as we
95:21 covered everything from court today is
95:23 day four
95:24 of the Richard Allen murder trial in
95:27 Deli Indiana and I've got to go prep for
96:30 day five because uh it essentially means
96:33 getting ready getting all bundled up
96:35 headed out to the courthouse setting up
96:37 some chairs getting some camping mats
96:40 maybe crashing taking a little nap
96:42 before another waiting game begins so
96:47 anyway thank you though for all of your
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96:52 during Tech difficulties while I travel
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