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Kaelik
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### Stupid NY politics

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Post by Kaelik » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:31 pm

The centrist mayor who lost a primary in Buffalo will now be running a general election write in campaign in the hope that Buffalo Republicans can swing the election. This is almost certainly doomed to fail, but to even try is to give the lie to everything centrists pretend to believe.
Meanwhile, the furthest right wing candidate for NYC Mayor is announcing that the fake ballots are being illegally sent in the mail because only in person votes count and ranked choice voting is cheating because he's probably going to lose.
Ironically, if those same absentee ballots push Wiley over Garcia in an earlier round, he will probably win.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
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Post by Whatever Jr. » Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:26 am

Eric Adams is a cop and a machine politics democrat, but he's 100% correct that the vote totals are fake.
https://twitter.com/bobhardt/status/1410055272308121603

> Elections 2.0: Sources tell me the Board of Elections is going back to the drawing board and running corrected ranked-choice numbers tomorrow. About 130,000 “votes” were part of a test-run that were never cleared from a computer.

edit: https://twitter.com/BOENYC/status/1410064145064599554 here's the official confirmation
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Post by Kaelik » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:12 pm

1) Yes it turns out that the BOE counted sample ballots and this is hilarious. God I hate this shit.
2) He's still going to complain about absentee ballots if they push someone over him (and he actually already complained about them) and he was calling Ranked Choice Voting racist on election day.
3) Frankly, I have no idea why they even ran the RCV rounds and gave people a tally when they were still waiting for absentee ballots. You obviously shouldn't run a RCV elimination set until you have all the ballots, because as I mentioned above, it might be that absentees put Wily over Garcia and they aren't even talking about the right final two candidates.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
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Post by Kaelik » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:41 pm

The buffalo mayoral primary winner is now being investigated by the media hit teams who forgot to do this work before.
It turns out she was "accused of welfare fraud" and "failed to pay her taxes" and "had a going away party for a criminal"
By which we mean she received $200 in over payments of food stamps and paid it back when they figured out their mistake, didnt pay 500 in taxes until long after it was due one year and had a party for someone sentenced to four years for the crime of gun possession while having a previous record.
This is right up there with Tara Reade didnt pay rent and lied about paying rent to her landlords level character assassination in how pathetic it is.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
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Post by Kaelik » Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:31 am

The recounted the ballots without the absentees still, but with the sample ballots removed, and the results are the basically the same winners with the same margins.
Fucking LOL.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

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Post by Kaelik » Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:57 am

The buffalo city council realized that if they abolish the office of mayor then a socialist cant be mayor.
They are pretending it's about how mayors havent helped poor people, but fucking lol they passed the resolution to investigate this after the current mayor lost the primary to a socialist.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
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Post by Kaelik » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:35 am

They've now decided that the current Mayor who lost the democratic primary now needs his name on the ballot so that people can fairly choose him in his write in campaign.
You know, how write in campaigns work.
(The judge ruling this has a brother who has invested thousands of dollars in Brown's campaign.)

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
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Post by Kaelik » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:56 pm

For the Labor Day parade speech in Buffalo given by Governor Kathy Hochul India Walton (the democratic primary winner) is being told to leave.
Would this happen to Eric Adams? (No obviously not.)
Literally passing out signs that say "Labor supports Mayor Byron Brown" for the parade, because never let it be said that NY won't use a state event to campaign for the more right wing candidate even if he has lost the primary and is doing a "write in" campaign where his name will be added to the ballot, probably with a D next to it.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.
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Post by Kaelik » Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:20 pm

Kathy Hochul's lead Wall Street Regulator believes it's wrong for regulators to look for violations of the regulations.
At least we will have continuity with the Cuomo admin.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
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Post by Kaelik » Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:35 am

The landlord party successfully defeated the democratic candidate for mayor in Buffalo by uniting Republicans, landlords, and everyone who ever told you to vote for Hillary Clinton.
The only correct thing to do from now on is run as third party after every primary.
The goal should be for no democrat to ever win an election ever again.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:36 am

If you've survived the 90s you'll survive this. If there's one thing we've learned about President Pigboy, an open Nazi, still managing lower 1st-term deportation and incarceration numbers than Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama, it's that the fascists aren't actually all that more scary than the liberal capitalists in turns of traditional markers of fascist terror.

> We're getting a fascist takeover sometime in the next couple of years. It will not be as bad as it could've been had the takeover happened 40 or even 20 years ago, mostly because fascism relies on a vital base of petit bourgeois to really inflict its terror. And, for better or for worse, the liberal-conservative consensus has reduced this hotbed of fascism to a rump as capitalism continues to reproletarianize workers and commoditize the economy. There are still some boat dealership and law firm partners out there, but they're nowhere as politically or militarily strong as they were just a few decades back. Let alone as during the 1930s. There will be fascist terror, of course, but it'll be largely indistinguishable from Reagan and Obama's brand of fascist terror. No jackboots, but the powers that be will lean on the courts to empower the police and statesec to squeeze our nuts a bit harder.

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:37 am

> Kaelik wrote: ↑
> Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:35 am
> The landlord party successfully defeated the democratic candidate for mayor in Buffalo by uniting Republicans, landlords, and everyone who ever told you to vote for Hillary Clinton.
> The only correct thing to do from now on is run as third party after every primary.
> The goal should be for no democrat to ever win an election ever again.

That is correct. There is no scenario in which human civilization remains more than a crumbling rump past 2045 and the Democratic Party survives past 2028.

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by Foxwarrior » Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:26 pm

Why can't I shake the feeling that you've been saying that the political parties are about to die any minute now ever since they were created? Is it just me?
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:38 pm

> Foxwarrior wrote:Why can't I shake the feeling that you've been saying that the political parties are about to die any minute now ever since they were created? Is it just me?

I have been saying that since about, what, 2010? Actually, I said the GOP was about to fracture due to irreconcilable contradictions in their dwindling coalition. I said that even when taking into account the anti-majoritarian advantages the GOP were able to take advantage of.
What I missed in my analysis until VERY recently (like, a year and some change recently) is that the Democratic Party is in a worse spot despite its many illusory advantages -- advantages it can't actually use due to even worse contradictions in THEIR coalition. I had made that prediction of collapse under the guise that the Democrats were who they said they were. 2020 revealed who they actually are. And realizing that made further realize that BOTH parties are ripe for a fall. It's why you have weird electoral results like Obama taking the Democrats from a supermajority to their lowest state in 80+ years... right before 2018 happened and the Democrats had, by raw totals, their best midterm performance in 80+ years simultaneous with the GOP having their best midterm performance since the start of the 20th century. Right before now with Biden, who is on track to have the worst first-year approval ratings of any President since we started taking polls.
My updated analysis predicts one of two outcomes short of something weird like a Red Dawn-style China invasion:

- The Democratic Party collapses somewhere between 2025 and 2028 after getting utterly destroyed in the 2022 and 2024 elections. The GOP uses the opportunity to go full-on fascist and lock in it antimajoritarian hegemony. Whether the collapse will be 1930s GOP style (where they more-or-less ceased to be anything other than the reigning party's bitch for 35-45 years) or 1840s Whig style (where they, you know, outright disbanded) is hard to say, but the collapse is happening. What happens after this is anyone's guess. Do the Democrats internally reform? Does a third party rise from the ashes and confront the fascists? Does the country break up? Does the now openly fash blood-and-soil GOP crush any opposition until strong AI and/or climate collapse dethrone them? Hard to say.
- (Much Less Likely) The parties mutually diminish each other with their own mediocrity and, exogenously, a socialist or a Singapore-style technocratic fascist party (as opposed to Blood And Soil fascism from above) swoops in and crushes both orgs simultaneously. I predicted this one to be much less likely as of a couple of days ago, mostly because a collapse in Democratic turnout/support was NOT matched with the GOP's numbers staying flat.

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by MGuy » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:11 am

I feel like Obama's decision to pour the money hose on the people who caused the '08 crisis and let regular people get fucked showed the Dems for what they truly were. I remember pointing out that Dems have been obviously unworthy of anyone's vote back in 2016 while cutting citing their failure to leverage a super majority in Obama's time. That they've done next to nothing to curtail the actions Republicans have taken to fuck up any chance of votes being weighted fairly.
I don't think either party is on the verge of collapse but I do feel like they've repeatedly shown their hand in the time since I first got to vote. Obama's was the first election I voted in and his was the first administration I actively followed and it was just one big disappointment after another. I think the only thing that's become more evident to me over time is how ready the electorate is to continue believing in this irredeemable system and how uncomfortable it is for them to even be around people who indicate that it isn't.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:41 am

> MGuy wrote:I don't think either party is on the verge of collapse but I do feel like they've repeatedly shown their hand in the time since I first got to vote.

The GOP collapse, I've talked about before and my tune is still the same. Structurally speaking? I think they're in a significantly worse spot now than they were back in 2009. However, that doesn't matter much because:
The Democratic Party's collapse is more temporal and less structural, unless you're a cynical Marxist like me. The thing is, I don't think anyone has quite grasped how much Obama, Hillary Clinton, and now Biden have hollowed out the party. 2018 did a pretty good job of pulling them out of the hole with respect to Congress, but statewide? Yeah, things ain't looking too good. The New Jersey and Virginia governor's race had a huge increase in GOP turnout. We're talking a 30% and 50% increase in turnout in 4 years. That's fucking nuts. To put things in perspective, that's about the increase we had from 1990 (a year in which the Democrats comfortably controlled Congress) to 1994. The year in which the GOP bloodied the Democrats so hard that we're still feeling it to this day.
However, one thing that 1994 didn't have that 2022/2024 will have is the Democrats being much further in the hole, statewise. If the GOP in 2022. picks up every state legislature/governor's mansion that the Democrats won by 5% or less in 2018 and 2020, they will have a Constitution-rewriting statehouse supermajority THAT YEAR. If you think for a second that the GOP is not going to use this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to completely crush the Dems, as in, lock in the fascist agenda using the courts, gerrymandering, and just 'legal' electoral shenanigans -- you're fooling yourself. Even if they don't quite get there, they will in 2024 if this keeps up.
And since Biden's numbers are barely better than Trump's at this point in the Presidency, it's guaranteed. Unless you think the Democrats will pull their head out of their ass in a year. They won't.

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by The Adventurer's Almanac » Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:08 am

It is vitally important that we censor people for chanting things at a NASCAR rally instead of offering anyone anything they might actually want, like healthcare or more money or self-determination.
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Post by Kaelik » Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:19 am

LMAO "constitution rewriting super majority" like sure thing it's bad for them to have a lot of state governments because it means they can prevent more minority votes. But like, they already have a constitutional rewriting majority. It's 5 votes. They can say "the constitution says Joe Biden has to drink Donald Trump's pee" and the democrats will just start insisting that Joe Biden needs a cup of piss to drink every morning.
This would be a less offensive and damaging constitutional principle with more grounding in the constitution then when they struck down the VRA preclearance because the 14th amendment protects a state's right to discriminate against black people, or when they struck down integration because the 14th amendment declares that integration is unconstitutional.

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Post by MGuy » Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:22 am

My insistence that these parties will persist is based on something simple. The system, as it is, selects for people who believe in these parties. Most people who don't are either pushed to the margins trying to form a third party that will never work because both parties are fully captured by capitalism and therefore naturally lean toward having the fewest choices, or they have checked out and rightfully believe that most of their votes do not matter because neither parties work in their favor.
For me to believe that either party would collapse just because they are insanely dysfunctional would require proof that some ridiculous amount of money is being put into an unnecessary third option by a significant amount of moneyed interests (unnecessary since both parties service them without fail) or that voters have organized enough in enough places to put forth a concerted national effort towards some grand goal (the thing Bernie was insisting be a good deal of the focus of his election). These things aren't on the table so there's no reason for me to believe that these parties won't lurch onward in perpetuity, shifting only when environment demands and minimally even when it does.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:53 am

Collapse isn't quite the right word. Quietly smothered in its crib by the Republican Party that has been aware since 2009 that they can't consistently compete fairly with their current coalitional composition. Of course, this smothering will also extend to anything less militant than, say, the Black Panther Party that tries to rise from the ashes.
Which is why we're going to be ruled by fascists for at least a few years, perhaps until climate change or strong AI hits and Immortan Joe or T-1000 declares fascism to be a quaint obsolescence -- unless there's some viable Leninist vanguard party in waiting I'm not aware of.

> Kaelik wrote:But like, they already have a constitutional rewriting majority. It's 5 votes. They can say "the constitution says Joe Biden has to drink Donald Trump's pee" and the democrats will just start insisting that Joe Biden needs a cup of piss to drink every morning.

Yes, the fascists and the liberals answer to the same paymasters, so the Democrats will never pull an Andrew Jackson or even an FDR. Nonetheless, the rank-and-file fascists want shit that they can't just passively get from a Trump or a Reagan with a united Congress and a favorable court. Because we already ran that experiment. The rank-and-file fascists can be mollified indefinitely, but not if they actually and currently have the power to enshrine what they want.
Also, if you believe in the power of legalism (because I sure as hell don't), the SCOTUS can't currently do stuff like rule that deficit spending or trade unions are unconstitutional. The SCOTUS could probably get away with something like allowing states to ban birth control, not so much declaring that it's illegal not to bomb terrorist countries. Constitutional amendments change all that, which is why I keep cheekily referring to a Balanced Budget Amendment and a Muslim Ban Amendment.

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by Kaelik » Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:24 am

The SC has literally made unions stop existing. They just finished gutting the last unions that existed.
Your free speech right means that it is unconstitutional for a union to collect union dues.
This year they are going to kill the irs and the epa and the department of education in the same case.

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Post by Dogbert » Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:10 am

The only reason do-nothing Dems are still allowed to exist is because the GOP still needs them as a boogieman and enemy in their hatred rhetoric.
...I can only wonder, though, how long before the Dems outlive their purpose (and if you ask me, the clock is already ticking).
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Post by MGuy » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:57 am

The GOP can function just fine without the Dems. They can get their people angry enough to attack teachers, doctors, brown people, etc. Whatever they randomly decide is now a problem. They can effectively conjure an imagined enemy whenever they need to.
Dems are useful for comfortable people who want their cultural politics represented. So you get similar policies to the Republicans but also you get drone pilots that aren't just straight cis white guys.
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Post by Whatever Jr. » Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:06 pm

What will the fascist do without a proper scapegoat? It's too bad they don't have a centuries-old edifice of conspiracies and persecution to fall back on.
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Post by The Adventurer's Almanac » Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:04 pm

The GOP needs the Dems and the Dems need the GOP. We as a country have moved past outdated notions of "ideology" or "principles" and the only way to win politically is to own your opponent super hard while fooling people into thinking you'll do a single thing you've promised them. We aren't getting out of this through fucking voting or whatever, that's for sure. We are a society in decay and the rats are fleeing the sinking ship while some morons try and patch the hole in the boat with their fingers. So long as we refuse to trust our institutions and fellow citizens, there's no good way out of this... and there's no reason to trust these institutions, so why bother?
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