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### Sarah Palin (Vanity Fair) [Politics]

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Post by Maj » Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:25 am

This month's Vanity Fair has an extensive article on Sarah Palin.
Here are some highlights I found interesting.

> [url=http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/10/sarah-palin-201010 wrote:Vanity Fair[/url] {OK, politics, Sarah Palin, North Star}]People who admire [Sarah Palin] believe she is just like them, and this conviction seems to satisfy their curiosity about the objective facts of her life. Those whose curiosity has not been satisfied have their work cut out for them. Palin has been a national figure for barely two years—John McCain selected her as his running mate in August 2008. Her on-the-record statements about herself amount to a litany of untruths and half-truths. With few exceptions—mostly Palin antagonists in journalism and politics whose beefs with her have long been out in the open—virtually no one who knows Palin well is willing to talk about her on the record, whether because they are loyal and want to protect her (a small and shrinking number), or because they expect her prominence to grow and intend to keep their options open, or because they fear she will exact revenge, as she has been known to do. It is an astonishing phenomenon. Colleagues and acquaintances by the hundreds went on the record to reveal what they knew, for good or ill, about prospective national candidates as diverse as Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Al Gore, and Barack Obama. When it comes to Palin, people button their lips and slink away.
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> Last July, the quarterly filing by Palin’s political-action committee, SarahPAC, revealed a formidable war chest and hefty investments in fund-raising and direct mail, the clearest signs yet that she may indeed run for president. Republican leaders privately dismiss her as too unpredictable and too undisciplined to run a serious campaign. But on she flies, carpet-bombing the 24-hour news cycle: now announcing her desire to meet with her “political heroine” Margaret Thatcher (the better to look like Ronald Reagan, presumably, though Palin seemed unaware that Thatcher is suffering from dementia); now yelping in theatrical complaint (“I want my straws! I want ’em bent!”), to shrug off revelations that her speaking contract demands deluxe hotel rooms, first-class air travel, and bottles of water with bendable straws; now responding (in a statement read on the Today show) to reports of her daughter Bristol’s re-engagement to Levi Johnston; and all the while issuing scores of political endorsements and preparing a fall media blitz. A TV show, Sarah Palin’s Alaska, for which Palin is being paid $2 million, will have its premiere on the TLC network in November. A new book, America by Heart: Reflections on Family, Faith, and Flag, will be published the following week.
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> Then Palin departs from the script and speaks as if from the heart, describing her fear and confusion upon discovering that Trig would be born with Down syndrome. “I had never really been around a baby with special needs,” she tells her listeners. For what it’s worth, this statement is untrue. Depicting the same moment of discovery in her own book, Palin writes that she immediately thought of a special-needs child she knew very well: her autistic nephew. Such falsehoods never damage Palin’s credibility with her admirers, because information and ideology are incidental to this relationship.
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> Of the many famous people who have stayed at the Hyatt in Wichita (Cher, Reba McEntire, Neil Young), Sarah Palin ranks as the all-time worst tipper: $5 for seven bags. But the bellhops had it good in Kansas, compared with the bellman at another midwestern hotel who waited up until past midnight for Palin and her entourage to check in—and then got no tip at all for 10 bags. He was stiffed again at checkout time. The same went for the maids who cleaned Palin’s rooms in both places—no tip whatsoever. The only time I heard of Palin giving a generous tip was in St. Joseph, Michigan, after the owner of Kilwin’s chocolate shop, on State Street, sent a CARE package to Palin’s suite, and Palin walked to the store to say thank you. She also wanted to buy more boxes of candy to take home. When the owner would not accept her money, Palin, encircled by the crowd that had jammed the store to get a glimpse of her, pressed a hundred-dollar bill into the woman’s hand, saying, “This is for the staff.” That Ben Franklin was the talk of State Street the whole rest of the day.
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> The intensity of Palin’s temper was first described to me in such extreme terms that I couldn’t help but wonder if it might be exaggerated, until I heard corroborating tales of outbursts dating back to her days as mayor of Wasilla and before. One friend of the Palins’ remembers an argument between Sarah and Todd: “They took all the canned goods out of the pantry, then proceeded to throw them at each other. By the time they got done, the stainless-steel fridge looked like it had got shot up with a shotgun. Todd said, ‘I don’t know why I even waste my time trying to get nice things for you if you’re just going to ruin them.’ ” This friend adds, “As soon as she enters her property and the door closes, even the insects in that house cringe. She has a horrible temper, but she has gotten away with it because she is a pretty woman.” (The friend elaborated on this last point: “Once, while Sarah was preparing for a city-council meeting, she said, ‘I’m gonna put on one of my push-up bras so I can get what I want tonight.’ That’s how she rolls.”) When Palin was mayor, she made life for one low-level municipal employee so miserable that the woman quit her job, sought psychiatric counseling, and then left the state altogether to escape Palin’s sphere of influence.
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> Early in the 2008 campaign, when John McCain’s aides discovered that Alaska-size gaps existed in Palin’s general knowledge (among those previously unreported: she had no idea who Margaret Thatcher was), they from time to time would give her some books to read in hopes of improving the candidate’s learning curve. On one such occasion, Palin accepted the books, set them aside, and for the next 25 minutes was held rapt by one of her three BlackBerrys.
> Eventually, an aide asked, “What are you working on?”
> “I’m reading these great e-mails,” she said, “from the prayer warriors.”
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> Palin has often stated that the strokes of luck propelling her political success were divinely ordained: “There are no coincidences” is a favorite maxim. In Going Rogue, Palin casts herself as a reluctant prophet, accepting providential election against her wishes. The reluctant prophet is a character trope found throughout Hebrew and Christian scripture. (Jesus prays, “Father, if it is Thy will, let this cup pass from me.”) The opening scene of Going Rogue, at the 2008 Alaska State Fair, ends with Palin’s BlackBerry ringing. As she reaches to answer, Palin prays, “Please, Lord, just for an hour, anything but politics,” only to find John McCain on the line, “asking if I wanted to help him change history.”
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> The Winning America Back conference was organized by a Missouri political-action committee called Preserving American Liberty (PAL-PAC). The group’s Web site states that “Members of Preserving American Liberty are from the Kansas City metropolitan area and are all unpaid volunteers who want to make a positive difference in the community.” Yet when I asked local politicians (including state representatives, a Senate candidate, and a congressional candidate) and local journalists about who had organized the event, I found that they knew nothing about the sponsors—“maybe because they’re Tea Partiers,” one reporter guessed, “and they’re all new to politics.”
> PAL-PAC seems to have been created for a single purpose: to pay Sarah Palin to give a speech. PAL-PAC announced the Palin event at the same time that it announced its own formation. After the Palin event was over, most of the information on PAL-PAC’s Web site disappeared. In effect, PAL-PAC was a disposable entertainment company, set up to put on a one-day show that collected the contact information of thousands of people who came to see Palin in the flesh, and to give her their money.
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> After the 2008 presidential campaign, when she returned briefly to the governor’s office, Palin became so obsessed with responding to criticism from bloggers that it sometimes paralyzed her administration. In the year since her resignation, independent bloggers have produced some of the most robust reporting about her—for instance, revealing that the Palins did not pay taxes for years on two vacation cabins, and pointing out that, during the “bus tour” to promote her book, Palin in fact sometimes traveled by private Gulfstream.
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> The best-known investigative reporter to insert himself into Alaska is Joe McGinniss, the author of The Selling of the President and Fatal Vision, who moved to Wasilla in May to spend the summer reporting for a book about Palin to be published next year by Random House. McGinniss rented the property next door to Palin, who, upon learning his identity, wrote a scathing Facebook post, accompanied by a snapshot of McGinniss standing outside on his deck: “Wonder what kind of material he’ll gather while overlooking Piper’s bedroom, my little garden, and the family’s swimming hole?”
> Overnight, C4P, Glenn Beck, talk-radio hosts, and many other Palin allies rallied around. Within 24 hours, McGinniss had received 5,000 hostile e-mails. Death threats were investigated by the F.B.I. A local man who helped move some furniture into McGinniss’s house had one of his truck’s windows shot out.
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> But the real concern is with Palin herself—[Wasilla residents] don’t want her to find out they have talked with a reporter, because of a suspicion that bad things will happen to them if she does. The salty, seen-it-all bartender at one of the town’s best restaurants says, “I wish you luck—but I like my job.” Has Palin actually had people fired for talking about her?, I always ask, and the answer always comes, Remember that trooper? The reference is to Mike Wooten, a state policeman who fell out with the family after divorcing one of Sarah Palin’s sisters and ended up at the center of the scandal known as Troopergate. The Alaska Legislative Council found in 2008 that Palin “abused her power” as governor in attempting to get Trooper Wooten fired.
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> To appreciate how alien Palin has become in Wasilla, how inscrutable to her own people, you have to wrap your mind around the fact that Sarah Palin is more famous than any other Alaskan, ever, and to remember that mass-media fame is a property of “outside.” It still does not quite seem real to most Alaskans that there are all these thousands of people in the Lower 48 turning out for … Sarah. It seems all the more unreal because Palin’s image as an engaging, down-to-earth small-town hockey mom was more or less accurate until two years ago. To be sure, some elements of that image were never true to life. “This whole hunter thing, for Sarah? That is the biggest fallacy,” says one longtime friend of the family. “That woman has never hunted. The picture of her with the caribou she says she shot? She got out of the R.V. to pose for a picture. She never helps with the fishing either. It’s all a joke.” The friend goes on to recall that when Greta Van Susteren came to the house to interview Palin “[Sarah] cooked moose chili and whatnot. Todd was calling everyone he knew the day before—‘Do you got any moose?’ Desperate.”
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> In late October, when stories of Palin’s exorbitant campaign clothing budget surfaced, Todd Palin dismissed the criticism in an e-mail (subject line: “Cloths”) to several campaign aides: “How many fundraiser’s has she done for RNC, how much money has she raised and how much has voter registration increased for RNC since she was announced. So what if RNC purchase’s some cloths for her for the work she has done for the party.” Though the clothing issue has been discussed at length, internal campaign documents reveal new information that contradicts the account Palin has given. The shopping sprees continued through late October and were not, as previously claimed, mainly undertaken to clothe the family for the unexpected emergency of the Republican National Convention, in St. Paul. The number and range of items purchased for the entire Palin family—more than 400 in total—is mind-boggling. For Sarah, the campaign bought about 30 pairs of shoes, roughly $3,000 worth of underwear (including many Spanx girdles), a pair of Bose headphones costing more than $300, and even her incidentals and toiletries. Charging a campaign for underwear would appear to be unprecedented. A campaign e-mail shows that one of Sarah’s senior aides requested that an outfit be purchased for Bristol for her birthday, explicitly stating that the items should be charged “via the campaign.” Todd Palin received as much as $20,000 worth of clothing—a wardrobe that would last most men for many years, if not for life.
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> In speeches, Palin pays tribute to the man she still calls “the First Dude.” One of the strangest passages in Going Rogue concerns post-election rumors that the couple was considering a divorce. “That day in sunny Texas when the divorce rumors were rampant in the tabloids, I watched Todd, tanned and shirtless, take the baby from my arms and walk him back to the ranch house,” she writes, like a frontier Barbara Cartland. “Dang, I thought. Divorce Todd? Have you seen Todd?” Locally, much speculation surrounds the marriage. Some say Todd is henpecked, and others see him as the heavy. One person who has been a frequent houseguest of the Palins’ says that the couple began many mornings with screaming fights, a fusillade of curses: “ ‘Fuck you,’ ‘Fuck this,’ ‘You lazy piece of shit.’ ‘You’re fuckin’ lucky to have me,’ Sarah would always say.” (This person never saw Todd and Sarah sleep in the same bed, and recalls that Todd would often joke, “I don’t know how she ever gets pregnant.”)
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> The children did not, as Sarah has claimed, have a chance to weigh in on her decision to run for vice president. She did not even deliver the news to them personally; as has been reported, she asked McCain’s campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, to do it for her. Todd reportedly told Sarah that, if the children spent too much time on the campaign trail, they would pay a price: grades would tumble and discipline would fall apart. When she agreed to serve as McCain’s running mate, one of her children was already failing in school, according to campaign aides.
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> A campaign aide remembers that one of the Palin children found her mother’s public displays of piety especially grating. Though Palin prayed and read the Bible every night, aides never saw the family join her for devotionals. “You’re just putting on a show. You’re so fake,” one of the children said when Palin made a point of praying in front of other people. “This is not who you are. Why are you pretending to be something you’re not?”
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> Bristol [Palin], who has said she works as a dermatologist’s assistant, also generates a healthy income from her celebrity and bought a $272,000 condominium in Anchorage. She enrolled in a certified-nursing-assistant program at a local technical school last year but quickly dropped out, according to one of her high-school classmates. In addition to TV appearances, including a guest spot on The View and playing a teen mom on an episode of The Secret Life of the American Teenager, she reportedly received $100,000 from In Touch magazine for rights to photographs of Tripp on his first birthday. The New York Post reported that she and Johnston received another $100,000 for giving the story of their re-engagement to Us Weekly.
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> According to almost everyone who has ever known her, including those who have seen the darkest of her dark side, Sarah Palin has a great gift for making people feel good about themselves. Her knack for remembering names and faces and the details of her interactions with people—and for seeming to be present to the person in front of her—constitute an extraordinary power of engagement. Now she is using that power in a fundamentally different way. In part she is using it in the service of her own ambitions. But she is also planting the idea with audiences that they might not be good enough, by telling them she thinks they’re plenty good, no matter what anybody else may say. (“They talk down to us… They think that if we were just smart enough … ”) To some, the message sounds like an affirmation. But is it really? Or does it seed self-doubt and rancor among her partisans, and encourage them to see everyone else as malign?

In this article what the Christian answer to the shariah-promoting-Muslim-fundamentalists is: Dominionists.
I also really liked this comment:

> lynne1 wrote:The reaction from the Paliban reinforce the truth of this article. To a tee.

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### I can't take this entirely seriously

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Post by Josh_Kablack » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:28 am

> Charging a campaign for underwear would appear to be unprecedented

I doubt that.
I mean there's Clinton's used-underwear tax deduction, Ron Reagan Jr.'s SNL underwear dance,
Dubya's ham-fisted underwear shoot censorship:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3842335.stm
The Yeltsin incident
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthru ... a_cab.html
And Churchill wasn't known just for the jumpsuit
http://www.bipolar-lives.com/winston-ch ... ssion.html (about halfway down, easiest to search in page for underwear)
And it continues in places I really didn't need to know about:
http://www.cafepress.com/+hillary-clint ... ar-panties
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Post by mean_liar » Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:34 am

I used to think she was a joke, and that the more prominence the Tea Party got along with it's chosen candidates, that the more likely it would be that the current crop of pandering Republican demagogues would be replaced with actual nutjobs who would dramatically flameout and lose their respective elections.
I'm not so sure anymore. I'm beginning to find her paper-thin knowledge and tremendous confidence more dangerous than Cheney's heavy dose of both.
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Post by cthulhu » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:54 pm

Its a good write up
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Post by RobbyPants » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:33 am

The sad thing about this, is I read it and think "how could anyone vote for her?"
Then I realize that a large number of people already do support her, and will simply dismiss stuff like this as liberal media.
* sigh *
But, yeah, Maj. Good read.
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Post by Maj » Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:07 am

There's a rumor {OK, The Week, Politics} floating around that she and Glenn Beck are going to announce their intention to run for the 2012 election.
Whatever is happening that day, I'm scared shitless. Beck and Palin already scare me as individuals. The last thing I'm looking forward to is a 10 year anniversary of the 9/11 bombings starring both of them.
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Post by Blasted » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:17 am

If they're not on the republican ticket, it could really mess up the rep's candidate's chances.

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Post by Zinegata » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:33 am

Beck and Palin?
This is worse than having Stephen Colbert (in-character) being president like in Monsters vs Aliens.
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Post by Wesley Street » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:22 pm

> Zinegata wrote:Beck and Palin?

I can't see any political moderate voting for that pair. If they ran on the Republican ticket it would be a landslide for the Democrats.
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Post by Username17 » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:47 pm

It's a 9 year anniversary. But yeah, that pair is crazy nuts.
First they do their call to religious arms on the anniversary of MLK's I Have A Dream speech, and now this. They really are trying to get the beer hall rallies together.
Remember: Beck isn't saying the President is Muslim, he is saying that the government needs to be "brought back" to Christianity, which is totally different.
There's a pretty good rant about the subject by Roger Ebert. He rates the Beck/Palin fear mongering two thumbs down.
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Post by Maj » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:17 pm

> Frank wrote:It's a 9 year anniversary.

Crap. For some reason, I got it into my head that it was for next year. I can't read.
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Post by Psychic Robot » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:10 am

> Of the many famous people who have stayed at the Hyatt in Wichita (Cher, Reba McEntire, Neil Young), Sarah Palin ranks as the all-time worst tipper: $5 for seven bags. But the bellhops had it good in Kansas, compared with the bellman at another midwestern hotel who waited up until past midnight for Palin and her entourage to check in—and then got no tip at all for 10 bags. He was stiffed again at checkout time. The same went for the maids who cleaned Palin’s rooms in both places—no tip whatsoever.

FUCK MY SHIT SHE'S A BAD TIPPER?
Though I don't think Palin belongs in the White House, the fact that they're trying to smear her by complaining that she doesn't tip enough is pathetic.

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Post by Maj » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:14 am

> PR wrote:FUCK MY SHIT SHE'S A BAD TIPPER?

The point was that she only tips well when the cameras are on. She's fronting. The whole purpose of the article is to show that Palin is a carefully crafted façade, not a real person. The wizard behind the curtain is an entitled, angry, ignorant, selfish girl.
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Post by Zinegata » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:18 am

> There's a pretty good rant about the subject by Roger Ebert. He rates the Beck/Palin fear mongering two thumbs down.
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He also repeats the Beck/Palin presidential bid rumor.
Thanks to shit like this, whenever someone accuses me of being a Republican or a Conservative, I feel inclined to reply that to be called a Fascist would be a lesser insult.
At least fucking Mussolini was caught by partisans, hung upside down, and shot (and he at least protected the Jews!).

> FrankTrollman wrote:Remember: Beck isn't saying the President is Muslim, he is saying that the government needs to be "brought back" to Christianity, which is totally different.

The annoying thing with Beck is that 100% of what he says is utter bullshit, but he delivers it with such a straight face it's pretty clear he sincerely believes his bullshit. I've tried watching his show several times to try and see if there is anything beyond blind belief in "anti-progressiveness" inside the head of Glenn Beck, but there simply isn't. He's really dumb enough to sincerely believe his own shit.
Hannity, Limbaugh, and Rove I can get. They're lying Republican hacks. O'Reilly I can get (and so does Stewart). He's an old guy scared of new things he doesn't fully understand. But Beck just has this infuriatingly sense of sincerity - infuriating in the sense that people who rely on feelings as opposed to logic may end up feeling the need to side with him just because he cries on national television because he "feared for his country".
I would love for somebody on the left to kick his ass. But when the left's leading and most sincere talking head is in fucking Comedy Central as opposed to a real news outlet, it makes one feel the world is pretty much doomed.
Oh well. At least I live in a Catholic country so we can expect to be nuked last.
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Post by Psychic Robot » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:33 am

> The whole purpose of the article is to show that Palin is a carefully crafted façade, not a real person.

Ah, I see. Her power is so great that not a single person dared to speak against her publicly. Instead, they feared her wrath and remained unsourced. After perusing more of the article, this thing really reads like something out a tabloid. But it's nice to see that Palin still has a strong enough trollface to get Vanity Fair to shit themselves for eight whole pages of impotent rage.

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Post by Zinegata » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:43 am

> Psychic Robot wrote:Ah, I see. Her power is so great that not a single person dared to speak against her publicly. Instead, they feared her wrath and remained unsourced.

There are days when I suspect that Sarah Palin is backed by the Illuminati and anyone who speaks against her risks dying mysteriously, but the reality is simpler.
Anyone of importance who knows Sarah Palin well is from the Republican party. And the Republicans have quite simply invested way too much on Palin (and not just in monetary terms) to simply let her go - particularly since she appeals to to the crazy-right part of her base.
So if the choice boils down to Sarah Palin's reputation and keeping around some McCain staffer who saw Palin being a bitch to a peon, you can bet your ass that it's the staffer who's gonna end up fired and marginalized.
In short, incurring Palin's wrath will not get you killed. It's the fact that to know how much of a bitch Palin is, you have to work for the Republican party. And said party will stop employing you once you start criticizing one of their star "assets".
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Post by Psychic Robot » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:45 am

> But the real concern is with Palin herself—[Wasilla residents] don’t want her to find out they have talked with a reporter, because of a suspicion that bad things will happen to them if she does.

> Count Arioch wrote:I'm not sure how discussions on whether PR is a terrible person or not is on-topic.

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> > Chamomile wrote:Ant, what do we do about Psychic Robot?

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Post by Zinegata » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:01 am

Alaska is still in many ways an isolated and "wild" territory, and you're gonna be pissing off a former governor who probably still has connections to the local PD. Not a very healthy thing to do.
Elsewhere, it boils down to "To know her, you have to be working for the Republicans, and they're not gonna let her image go down the drain".
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Post by Count Arioch the 28th » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:54 am

> Zinegata wrote:Alaska is still in many ways an isolated and "wild" territory, and you're gonna be pissing off a former governor who probably still has connections to the local PD. Not a very healthy thing to do.

Yeah, Alaska cops do not take a lot of bullcrap. Partially because there are so few of them compared to the population, and also because the people that live in Alaska tend to be well-armed and crazier than a shithouse rat.
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Post by RobbyPants » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:23 pm

> Psychic Robot wrote:

> > Of the many famous people who have stayed at the Hyatt in Wichita (Cher, Reba McEntire, Neil Young), Sarah Palin ranks as the all-time worst tipper: $5 for seven bags. But the bellhops had it good in Kansas, compared with the bellman at another midwestern hotel who waited up until past midnight for Palin and her entourage to check in—and then got no tip at all for 10 bags. He was stiffed again at checkout time. The same went for the maids who cleaned Palin’s rooms in both places—no tip whatsoever.

> FUCK MY SHIT SHE'S A BAD TIPPER?
> Though I don't think Palin belongs in the White House, the fact that they're trying to smear her by complaining that she doesn't tip enough is pathetic.

You know what else is pathetic? Responding to a small point of the article like it's the main point.
Unless that's your only complaint about the article, in which case, it's not really coming through in what you say.
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Post by Prak » Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:26 pm

> Of the many famous people who have stayed at the Hyatt in Wichita (Cher, Reba McEntire, Neil Young), Sarah Palin ranks as the all-time worst tipper: $5 for seven bags. But the bellhops had it good in Kansas, compared with the bellman at another midwestern hotel who waited up until past midnight for Palin and her entourage to check in—and then got no tip at all for 10 bags. He was stiffed again at checkout time. The same went for the maids who cleaned Palin’s rooms in both places—no tip whatsoever.

wait. You're supposed to tip the maids?
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Post by Count Arioch the 28th » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:42 pm

> Prak_Anima wrote:

> > Of the many famous people who have stayed at the Hyatt in Wichita (Cher, Reba McEntire, Neil Young), Sarah Palin ranks as the all-time worst tipper: $5 for seven bags. But the bellhops had it good in Kansas, compared with the bellman at another midwestern hotel who waited up until past midnight for Palin and her entourage to check in—and then got no tip at all for 10 bags. He was stiffed again at checkout time. The same went for the maids who cleaned Palin’s rooms in both places—no tip whatsoever.

> wait. You're supposed to tip the maids?

According to my mom, it's $1 per person in the room, per day you stayed.
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Post by Prak » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:44 pm

huh. Didn't know that. I also have no clue how much you're supposed to tip a bellhop...
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.

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> You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.

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Post by Wesley Street » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:04 pm

$2 per bag.
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Post by Count Arioch the 28th » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:21 pm

It helps that I come from a long line of people who worked in the service industry. Trust me, when your mom's a waitress and doesn't have any money to buy food because a bunch of jagoffs didn't tip that night, you learn pretty quick the value of tipping.
A girl I dated refused to tip bartenders. When I brought it up, she said "They understand I don't have any money". Bitch, if you don't have money to tip then you can't afford to drink at a bar, get a case of keystone and stay at home. Needless to say, that didn't last long.
EDIT: Interestingly enough, box stores (Wal-Mart and Target both have this rule, I'm assuming the others do as well) consider accepting a tip to be an ethics violation and is a firable offense. You're supposed to give all tips to the manager instead.
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