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Post by Sakuya Izayoi » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:17 am

I always liked Warcraft's use of dinosaurs (or the Kroot's use of dinosaurs, or the Dark Elves, to go to the Warhammer source). I don't think I've ever GMed a world where dinosaurs are extinct.
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Post by Koumei » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:20 am

> FrankTrollman wrote:but where exactly are you supposed to get Hippogriffs, Griffons, Manticores, Wyverns, Unicorns, Pegasi, Displacer Beasts, Carrion Crawlers, Chimerae, Gorgons, Dinosaurs, or Rocs?

You typically get manticores by leaving a sheep unattended on the road for more than ten seconds, or by entering a castle attuned to the winds and then resting. Ten times out of nine, those fuckers will interrupt your sleep.
Pegasasu will visit beautiful dreams if my documentary* is anything to go by. This means you don't farm them or buy them, they just rock up when the right kind of person hits the right level.
Carrion Crawlers roam the oceans near Australia. I imagine the Kuo Toa farm them.
Chimerae are bred by mad wizards, so just look for a massive tower that looks like a penis, surrounded by a perpetual storm.
Dinosaurs? It's definitely yuan-ti that farm these things. And they will cut you an awesome deal for one.
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Post by Maxus » Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:49 am

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Post by Username17 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:53 am

While it's true that Gith are known for having an understanding with Red Dragons, that's not terribly helpful as far as the heroic arc of any character. It means that one could potentially get a Red Dragon mount as high level Gith for no other reason than that you were one, and it means that the Gith could provide you with a Red Dragon mount as thanks for sacking an Ilithid city or something, that's all end game content. You could just as easily have a Dragon granted to you as a mount by Bahamut in thanks for whatever the fuck you just did, because by the time a Red Dragon is an appropriate mount, the regular opposition is world threatening dark lords.
Red Dragons are level appropriate mounts at some point, but that point is actually quite high level. Most games don't actually go that high, and a Red Dragon big enough for a medium sized character to ride around on would be an appropriate end game boss in most campaigns. In 3rd edition, a Red Dragon capable of flying with a Gith on its back has 19 hit dice. Obviously I think that Dragons should be bigger for the level they are, but the point is probably going to stand. No 6th level Gith is going to be getting a level appropriate Dragon Mount any time soon.
What this means is that Gith player characters need access to lower level things to ride around on. Like Invisible flying Rays or Displacer Beasts or something.

Some non-flying mount possibilities are actually quite badass. One could imagine Azurin riding on the backs of Purple Worms or Bugbears riding Dire Bears, for example. The old Spotted Unicorn shoots fucking prismatic spray out of its face. Certainly, if you're running around in the Stedding of the Hill Giant Warlord or something, and there's a damn roof over your head, a non-flying mount is not problematic in the slightest. It might even be necessary, as a Dire Bat or Pegasus likely flies faster than some of those hallways or rooms can accommodate (remember that Hill Giants are Giants, but only a bit more than like Adre the Giant. Cloud Giants, they are not). You could march around on the back of a Basilisk or Gorgon and do just fine.
However, there may be adventures where people have to have flying mounts. You could have to go to an adventuring locale on a cloud island, or just a regular island. Or beyond the mountains. Or on the other side of a really nasty thorn hedge, or whatever. The point is that if the party wants to go do things that require flying mounts, pretty much all the characters need flying mounts. Sure, there's no pressing need for a Dwarf army to have an air force, there is a need for Dwarf player characters to have access to flying mounts on short notice once they hit mid level.
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Post by Prak » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:59 am

One of my friends favours rhinos as mounts for dwarves.
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Post by nockermensch » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:36 am

> Prak_Anima wrote:One of my friends favours rhinos as mounts for dwarves.

Winged rhinos, and have the dwarf insist that his mount is an alicorn.
More seriously now, just give them dire bats. I remember Monstrous Manual having a species of giant bat that actually looked like a manta ray. These could be even more appropriate.
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Post by deaddmwalking » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:11 pm

> FrankTrollman wrote:Sure, there's no pressing need for a Dwarf army to have an air force, there is a need for Dwarf player characters to have access to flying mounts on short notice once they hit mid level.
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And your Dwarf player character is going to be traveling with a Human player character, an Elf player character, and a Halfling player character.
There's no real need for them to have racially specific flying mounts - they should all go buy Pegasi together. Or Griffons, or whatever.
There's a setting consideration where these types of mounts need to be more easily available. Next time I start a campaign, I'm definitley going to include a 'griffon stable' in a fairly large town that the party will know about from Level 1. Then when they get to 4th or 5th level, they can buy a griffon if that seems necessary.
But I can't think of any circumstances where the party would disband, each member would return to the Ancestral Lands of their people, request a flying mount from the Elders, then return to the party with their unique mount before beginning the flight-based adventure.
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Post by Zaranthan » Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:14 pm

I think the idea is more like "okay, we need to get to the Sky Fortress, can we get flying mounts?" "Well, the gnome gyrocopters only support small people, we should go to the dwarves across the pass and see if we can buy some of their griffins."
Sure, you would buy your mounts from wherever you happen to be when you need them, but it makes the setting cooler if the elven tree village has different mounts for sale than the human city.
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Post by Whipstitch » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:05 pm

Gnomes don't necessarily have to be WoW or Dragonlance style tinkerers. Someone previously lamented the noisiness of giant insects, but that could tie into gnome illusionists using their magic to make dragonfly or wasp cavalry charges into a deafening laser show. And if you want a quieter option, there's always giant moths. Bonus points you could use some bullshit about trapping them with dancing lights.
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Post by Laertes » Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:29 pm

This might actually be a useful design space in which to differentiate races. In our world, some peoples (Dakota, Mongol, Boer) were extremely fond of horses, and others (Tupi, Tibetan, Zulu) went around on foot. This is partly to do with their environment, as steppe peoples will naturally make more use of mounts than jungle or mountain folk. However it's also to do with development levels, since agricultural or nomadic civilisations will have mounts widely available to every commoner, while urban folk will tend to restrict them to the elites.
Now, adventurers will of course all ride, and that's only sensible: they need to travel and they need to fight. But in the same way that every fighter wears dwarf-made armour and every ranger wears an elven cloak, people are going to adopt the mounts of the race who are best at being mounted. Look at Arab racehorses and Spanish destriers: the wealthy people elsewhere in the world were generally pretty quick to recognise them and adopt them.
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Post by Prak » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:28 pm

I think that even with the point that player characters will have more need for mid-level and flying mounts than npc armies that it would be good to have in setting racial preferences as just a bit of extra colour for the setting.
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Post by tussock » Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:07 am

Dire Bears and such make a lot more sense in an earth-derived fantasy world if Dwarves have been breeding bears for tens of thousands of years. So just take all the dire animals from 3e as mounts for someone for a start.
And obviously the chimeras and owlbears and rubber dogs and other things that Wizards made were made for someone superheroic to ride to adventure on. And the horses that you get by bargaining with fiends, .... Oops, I think I just included the whole monster manual. Though a careful read through the Monstrous Manual might just find it's all in there somewhere anyway, everything is either a mount or rides one.
And here's another reason you can't play Centaurs, because what will they fly on? I mean, obviously than those epic airborne whales with the forest on top, but what about lower levels?
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Post by Zaranthan » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:04 pm

> tussock wrote:And here's another reason you can't play Centaurs, because what will they fly on? I mean, obviously than those epic airborne whales with the forest on top, but what about lower levels?

Mature Adult White Dragons are Huge and only CR 12. You could fill in the intervening levels with horseshoes of Air Walk, because part of the Centaur package is a big land speed.
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Post by CatharzGodfoot » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:05 am

> tussock wrote:And here's another reason you can't play Centaurs, because what will they fly on? I mean, obviously than those epic airborne whales with the forest on top, but what about lower levels?

Magic carpets.
And, yeah, if you're going to have monster race-specific mounts, they should make sense. If bears can be domesticated and can carry humans and orcs just as well as dwarves, you can bet that dwarves won't have the monopoly on bear mounts.
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Post by deaddmwalking » Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:47 am

> tussock wrote:
> And here's another reason you can't play Centaurs, because what will they fly on? I mean, obviously than those epic airborne whales with the forest on top, but what about lower levels?

Wings of Flying appear to work regardless of your physiology.
The Xanth novel Isle of View features winged centaurs prominently on the cover. If I recall correctly, they were the result of a hippogriff and centaur mating.
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Post by Dean » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:34 am

The question of what Centaurs fly on is not specific to Centaur physiology it also applies just as well to Ogre or Giant PC's. Those would be rare enough that we could probably just find a couple huge CR 6 flying creatures to put in the world unconnected to any particular nationality. It is a good problem to solve though because I have seen many large sized PC's in my day and I don't think I've seen any of them who've managed to get a mount.

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Post by Username17 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:01 am

The issue with flying mounts for large characters is a tough one. While you can ride a beast that is one size bigger than you, it normally requires a critter two sizes bigger to fly with you on its back. Special rules exist for a couple of large flying creatures (pegasi and such), but normally a frost giant would need a gargantuan flier to get into the air.
Personally, I think that is not a good rule and should be removed - even if it does mean that halflings can ride medium sized giant bees. Also I think that D&D is way too stingy with handing out huge and gargantuan size (especially 3.5, where a bunch of big things were bumped down to large).
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Post by fectin » Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:53 pm

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Post by fectin » Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:53 pm

Giants ride Rocs.
Dwarves should not get a flying mount - Frank described at the front that mounts shape culture; not being airborne would tend to push them underground, where there's lots of stone over their head to negate other cultures' airborne advantage.
Maybe a burrower though. Giant Thoqqua?

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Post by Lokathor » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:21 pm

> FrankTrollman wrote:The issue with flying mounts for large characters is a tough one. While you can ride a beast that is one size bigger than you, it normally requires a critter two sizes bigger to fly with you on its back. Special rules exist for a couple of large flying creatures (pegasi and such), but normally a frost giant would need a gargantuan flier to get into the air.
> Personally, I think that is not a good rule and should be removed - even if it does mean that halflings can ride medium sized giant bees. Also I think that D&D is way too stingy with handing out huge and gargantuan size (especially 3.5, where a bunch of big things were bumped down to large).
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Where does it say this rule? Because the Pegasus and Hippogriff are Large sized.
Also, the CRs for riding a Dragon become much more reasonable if they only have to be Larged sized for Medium characters:
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Post by radthemad4 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:41 pm

> FrankTrollman wrote:Also I think that D&D is way too stingy with handing out huge and gargantuan size (especially 3.5, where a bunch of big things were bumped down to large).
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Here's some lists from the 3.5 monster finder that might be convenient for this thread:
Huge Creatures
Aboleth 7 Huge aberration(aquatic) 8 LE Any Underground Material SRD
Aboleth Mage, 10th-level Wizard 17 Huge aberration(aquatic) 18 LE Any Underground Material SRD
Animated Object, Huge 5 Huge construct 8 N Any Material SRD
Aoa Sphere 15 Huge outsider 13 N Any Land/Underground Astral, Ethereal FF 16
Arcane Ooze 9 Huge ooze 15 N Any Underground Material MM3 9
Athach 8 Huge aberration 14 CE Temperate Hills Material SRD
Banelar 5 Huge magical beast 7 LE Temperate/Warm Aquatic/Land Material MF 18
Battlebriar 15 Huge plant 25 N Temperate Forests Material MM3 14
Behir 8 Huge magical beast 9 N Warm Hills Material SRD
Beholderkin, Hive Mother 16 Huge aberration 20 LE Cold Hills Material LoM 135
Black Pudding 7 Huge ooze 10 N Any Underground Material SRD
Blighted Bloodfire 12 Huge outsider(augmented ooze, fire) 12 NE Any Underground Material MM4 18
Blood Amniote 9 Huge undead 10 N Any Underground Material LMo 87
Bloodfire Ooze 7 Huge ooze(fire) 12 NE Any Underground Material MM4 18
Bloodhulk Crusher 8 Huge undead 20 NE Any Material MM4 21
Bluespawn Godslayer (Spawn of Tiamat) 10 Huge monstrous humanoid(dragonblood) 12 LE Temperate/Warm Deserts Material MM4 140
Boneyard 14 Huge undead 17 CE Any Material LMo 89
Bronze Serpent 10 Huge construct 16 N Any Land/Underground Material MM2 40
Brood Keeper 16 Huge magical beast 22 N Warm Plains Material MM3 20
Bulette 7 Huge magical beast 9 N Temperate Hills Material SRD
Cadaver Collector, greater 17 Huge construct 35 LN Any Material MM3 23
Catoblepas 6 Huge aberration 6 N Any Marshes Material MM2 41
Charnel Hound 13 Huge undead 21 CE Cold Plains Material MM3 26
Cloaker Lord 7 Huge aberration 9 CN Any Underground Material MF 28
Cloaker, Shadowcloak Elder 11 Huge aberration(extraplanar) 17 NE Any Shadow LoM 142
Conflagration Ooze, Infernal 13 Huge ooze(evil, extraplanar, fire) 15 LE Any Baator (Nine Hells) MM3 31
Corrupture 9 Huge ooze(aquatic) 11 N Any Material MM4 34
Crawling Head 20 Huge undead 28 CE Any Deserts/Underground Material FF 35
Crocodile, Giant 4 Huge animal 7 N Warm Marshes Material SRD
Dark Tree 7 Huge plant 10 NE Warm Forests Material MF 31
Delver 9 Huge aberration 15 N Any Underground Material SRD
Demon: Bebilith 10 Huge outsider(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 12 CE Any Abyss SRD
Demon: Deathdrinker 18 Huge outsider(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 27 CE Any Abyss MM4 40
Demon: Ghour 12 Huge outsider(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 12 CE Any Land/Underground Abyss MF 33
Demon: Glabrezu 13 Huge outsider(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 12 CE Any Abyss SRD
Demon: Kastighur (tanar'ri) 11 Huge outsider(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 15 CE Any Abyss MM4 42
Demon: Klurichir (Tanar'ri) 25 Huge outsider(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 20 CE Any Land/Underground Abyss FF 48
Demon: Lolth-Touched Bebilith 11 Huge outsider(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 12 CE Any Abyss MM4 92
Demon: Myrmyxicus (Tanar'ri) 21 Huge outsider(aquatic, chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 18 CE Any Aquatic Abyss FF 52
Demon: Nalfeshnee 14 Huge outsider(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 14 CE Any Abyss SRD
Demon: Wastrilith 17 Huge outsider(aquatic, chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 15 CE Any Aquatic Abyss FF 54
Desmodu Bat, War 5 Huge animal 10 N Any Underground Material MM2 66
Devil: Ghargatula (baatezu) 16 Huge outsider(evil, lawful) 24 LE Any Land/Underground Material BVD 175
Devil: Malebranche (baatezu) 9 Huge outsider(evil, lawful) 16 LE Any Land/Underground Baator (Nine Hells) MM2 67
Devil: Paeliryon (Baatezu) 22 Huge outsider(evil, extraplanar, lawful) 18 LE Any Land/Underground Baator (Nine Hells) FF 58
Devil: Xerfilstyx (Baatezu) 18 Huge outsider(aquatic, evil, extraplanar, lawful) 15 LE Any Land/Underground Baator (Nine Hells) FF 59
Dinosaur, Battletitan 16 Huge animal 36 N Warm Plains Material MM3 38
Dinosaur, Elasmosaurus 7 Huge animal 10 N Warm Aquatic Material SRD
Dinosaur, Triceratops 9 Huge animal 16 N Temperate Plains Material SRD
Dinosaur, Tyrannosaurus 8 Huge animal 18 N Warm Plains Material SRD
Dinosaur: Allosaurus 7 Huge animal 10 N Warm Forests/Hills/Marshes/Plains Material MM2 70
Dinosaur: Ankylosaurus 7 Huge animal 9 N Warm Forests/Hills/Marshes/Plains Material MM2 70
Dinosaur: Quetzalcoatlus 8 Huge animal 10 N Warm Forests/Hills/Mountains Material MM2 72
Dire Elk 7 Huge animal 12 N Cold/Temperate Forests/Hills/Mountains Material MM2 75
Dire Rhinoceros 9 Huge animal 17 N Cold/Temperate Plains Material FF 61
Dire Shark 9 Huge animal(aquatic) 18 N Cold Aquatic Material SRD
Dire Snake 5 Huge animal 7 N Temperate/Warm Aquatic/Land/Underground Material MM2 76
Disenchanter 17 Huge magical beast 16 N Any Land/Underground Material FF 62
Displacer Beast Pack Lord 12 Huge magical beast 18 LE Cold Hills Material MM 66
Dragon Turtle 9 Huge dragon(aquatic) 12 N Temperate Aquatic Material SRD
Dream Vestige 16 Huge undead(incorporeal) 17 CE Any Material LMo 96
Elemental, Air, Elder 11 Huge elemental(air, extraplanar) 24 N Any Elemental Air SRD
Elemental, Air, Greater 9 Huge elemental(air, extraplanar) 21 N Any Elemental Air SRD
Elemental, Air, Huge 7 Huge elemental(air, extraplanar) 16 N Any Elemental Air SRD
Elemental, Earth, Elder 11 Huge elemental(earth, extraplanar) 24 N Any Elemental Earth SRD
Elemental, Earth, Greater 9 Huge elemental(earth, extraplanar) 21 N Any Elemental Earth SRD
Elemental, Earth, Huge 7 Huge elemental(earth, extraplanar) 16 N Any Elemental Earth SRD
Elemental, Fire, Elder 11 Huge elemental(extraplanar, fire) 24 N Any Elemental Fire SRD
Elemental, Fire, Greater 9 Huge elemental(extraplanar, fire) 21 N Any Elemental Fire SRD
Elemental, Fire, Huge 7 Huge elemental(extraplanar, fire) 16 N Any Elemental Fire SRD
Elemental, Storm, Elder 12 Huge elemental(air, extraplanar) 24 N Any Elemental Air MM3 49
Elemental, Storm, Greater 10 Huge elemental(air, extraplanar) 21 N Any Elemental Air MM3 49
Elemental, Storm, Huge 8 Huge elemental(air, extraplanar) 16 N Any Elemental Air MM3 49
Elemental, Water, Elder 11 Huge elemental(extraplanar, water) 24 N Any Elemental Water SRD
Elemental, Water, Greater 9 Huge elemental(extraplanar, water) 21 N Any Elemental Water SRD
Elemental, Water, Huge 7 Huge elemental(extraplanar, water) 16 N Any Elemental Water SRD
Elephant 7 Huge animal 11 N Warm Plains Material SRD
Ethereal Ooze 10 Huge ooze(extraplanar, incorporeal) 12 N Any Ethereal FF 63
Flame Snake, Greater 16 Huge magical beast(fire) 17 E Any Land/Underground Material FF 75
Fomorian 11 Huge giant 15 NE Any Mountains/Underground Material MM2 105
Frost Worm 12 Huge magical beast(cold) 14 N Cold Plains Material SRD
Gaspar 10 Huge magical beast(extraplanar) 14 N Any Beastlands PlH 124
Geriviar 19 Huge giant 26 NE Temperate Marshes Material MM3 52
Giant, Cloud 11 Huge giant(air) 17 NG, NE Temperate Mountains Material SRD
Giant, Craa'ghoran 10 Huge giant(earth) 15 NE Any Mountains Material MM4 52
Giant, Death 16 Huge giant 23 NE Temperate Deserts Material MM3 54
Giant, Eldritch 15 Huge giant 25 NE Temperate Mountains Material MM3 57
Giant, Eldritch, Confessor, 11th-level Cleric 20 Huge giant 36 NE Temperate Mountains Material MM3 57
Giant, Fog 8 Huge giant(air) 14 NG, NE Temperate Forests/Marshes Material MF 50
Giant, Forest 11 Huge giant 13 N Any Forests Material MM2 110
Giant, Ocean 19 Huge giant(aquatic, cold) 18 G Any Aquatic Material MM2 112
Giant, Phaerlin 3 Huge giant(earth) 8 NE Any Underground Material MF 50
Giant, Shadow 18 Huge giant 18 LE Any Land/Underground Material FF 82
Giant, Storm 13 Huge giant 19 CG Warm Mountains Material SRD
Giant, Sun 12 Huge giant(fire) 13 N Temperate/Warm Deserts Material MM2 110
Golem, Demonflesh 18 Huge construct(extraplanar) 24 CE Any Land/Underground Abyss FF 86
Golem, Stone, Greater 16 Huge construct 42 N Any Material SRD
Greenvise 10 Huge plant 12 N Temperate/Warm Hills/Marshes/Plains Material MM2 120
Grizzly Mastodon 13 Huge animal 15 N Cold/Temperate Forests/Hills Material MM2 123
Gulguthydra 12 Huge aberration 15 N Any Forests/Marshes/Underground Material MF 58
Harpoon Spider, Dread 9 Huge aberration 9 CE Any Underground Material MM3 81
Hellfire Wyrm 26 Huge dragon(fire) 23 LE Any Land/Underground Material MM2 125
Hullathoin 15 Huge undead 16 NE Any Land/Underground Material FF 96
Hydra, 10-headed 9 Huge magical beast 10 N Temperate Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, 11-headed 10 Huge magical beast 11 N Temperate Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, 12-headed 11 Huge magical beast 12 N Temperate Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, 5-headed 4 Huge magical beast 5 N Temperate Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, 6-headed 5 Huge magical beast 6 N Temperate Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, 7-headed 6 Huge magical beast 7 N Temperate Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, 8-headed 7 Huge magical beast 8 N Temperate Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, 9-headed 8 Huge magical beast 9 N Temperate Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, cryo/pyro, 10-headed 11 Huge magical beast 10 N Cold/Warm Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, cryo/pyro, 11-headed 12 Huge magical beast 11 N Cold/Warm Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, cryo/pyro, 12-headed 13 Huge magical beast 12 N Cold/Warm Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, cryo/pyro, 5-headed 6 Huge magical beast 5 N Cold/Warm Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, cryo/pyro, 6-headed 7 Huge magical beast 6 N Cold/Warm Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, cryo/pyro, 7-headed 8 Huge magical beast 7 N Cold/Warm Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, cryo/pyro, 8-headed 9 Huge magical beast 8 N Cold/Warm Marshes Material SRD
Hydra, cryo/pyro, 9-headed 10 Huge magical beast 9 N Cold/Warm Marshes Material SRD
Indricothere 9 Huge animal 16 N Any Forests/Hills/Plains Material FF 100
Ironmaw 13 Huge plant(extraplanar) 12 NE Temperate/Warm Forests/Hills/Marshes Abyss FF 104
Juggernaut 11 Huge construct 18 N Any Material MM2 132
Julajimus 12 Huge aberration 16 NE Temperate Forests Material MM2 133
Legendary Shark 10 Huge animal(aquatic) 30 N Any Aquatic Material MM2 138
Linnorm, Gray 20 Huge dragon 13 CE Any Hills/Mountains Material MM2 141
Living Blasphemy 13 Huge ooze(evil) 13 NE Any Material MM3 93
Mastodon 9 Huge animal 15 N Temperate Forests Material MM3 101
Maulgoth 17 Huge aberration(earth) 20 NE Any Underground Material FF 123
Megatherium 8 Huge animal 13 N Any Forests/Hills/Plains Material FF 124
Mivilorn 11 Huge magical beast(chaotic, extraplanar) 24 CN Any Pandemonium MM3 107
Mivilorn Elite Demon War Mount 16 Huge magical beast(chaotic, extraplanar) 30 CN Any Pandemonium MM3 107
Monstrous Centipede, Fiendish, Huge 3 Huge magical beast(extraplanar) 6 E Any Any Evil SRD
Monstrous Centipede, Huge 2 Huge vermin 6 N Any Underground Material SRD
Monstrous Scorpion, Huge 7 Huge vermin 10 N Warm Deserts Material SRD
Monstrous Spider, Huge 5 Huge vermin 8 N Temperate Forests Material SRD
Moonbeast 16 Huge aberration 18 CE Any Land/Underground Material MM2 149
Neogi, Great Old Master 6 Huge vermin 5 N Temperate/Warm Land/Underground Material MM2 159
Night Twist, Ancient 20 Huge plant 25 NE Temperate Marshes Material MM3 111
Nightmare Beast 15 Huge magical beast 15 CE Any Land Material MM2 161
Nightmare, Cauchemar 11 Huge outsider(evil, extraplanar) 15 NE Any Any Evil SRD
Nightshade: Nightwalker 16 Huge undead(extraplanar) 21 CE Any Shadow SRD
Nightshade: Nightwing 14 Huge undead(extraplanar) 17 CE Any Shadow SRD
Oaken Defender 12 Huge plant 18 NG Temperate Forests Material MM4 106
Ocean Strider 18 Huge fey(aquatic) 30 CN Any Aquatic Material MM2 163
Octopus Tree 12 Huge plant 14 NE Temperate Aquatic Material FF 130
Odopi 14 Huge aberration(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 20 CE Any Carceri MM3 114
Ormyrr 6 Huge monstrous humanoid 7 LN Temperate/Warm Aquatic Material MM2 167
Plague Spewer 10 Huge undead 16 NE Any Underground Material MM3 125
Rakka (Fensir) 8 Huge giant(extraplanar) 12 CN Any Land Ysgard FF 70
Red Sundew 13 Huge plant 15 N Temperate/Warm Forests Material MM2 179
Reekmurk 6 Huge ooze(aquatic) 5 N Cold Aquatic Material FF 18
Remorhaz 7 Huge magical beast 7 N Cold Deserts Material SRD
Retriever 11 Huge construct(extraplanar) 10 CE Any Abyss SRD
Revived Fossil Megaraptor 10 Huge undead(augmented animal) 8 NE Warm Forests Material LMo 118
Sea Tiger 6 Huge animal 10 N Any Aquatic Material MM3 147
Seryulin, Greater 10 Huge aberration(aquatic) 21 N Any Underground Material MM3 149
Shadow Spider 12 Huge magical beast 13 N Any Underground Material MM2 184
Shark, Huge 4 Huge animal(aquatic) 10 N Cold Aquatic Material SRD
Skeleton, Advanced Megaraptor 6 Huge undead 12 NE Warm Forests Material SRD
Skeleton, Cloud Giant 7 Huge undead 17 NE Temperate Mountains Material SRD
Skeleton, Young Adult Red Dragon 8 Huge undead(fire) 19 NE Warm Mountains Material SRD
Skirr 7 Huge undead 9 NE Cold Hills Material LMo 120
Skybleeder 12 Huge aberration 12 NE Any Hills/Mountains Material FF 155
Slaughterstone Behemoth 15 Huge construct(earth) 29 N Any Underground Material MM3 159
Snake, Constrictor, Giant 5 Huge animal 11 N Warm Forests Material SRD
Snake, Huge Viper 3 Huge animal 6 N Temperate Marshes Material SRD
Spectral Lurker 17 Huge aberration(incorporeal) 16 NE Any Land/Underground Material FF 158
Spirit Of The Land 23 Huge fey(incorporeal) 20 N Any Material MM2 189
Squid, Giant 9 Huge animal(aquatic) 12 N Temperate Aquatic Material SRD
Tendriculos 6 Huge plant 9 N Temperate Forests Material SRD
Titan 21 Huge outsider(chaotic, extraplanar) 20 C Any Chaotic Good SRD
Tomb Tapper 14 Huge construct 12 N Any Underground Material MF 82
Topiary Guardian, Triceratops 13 Huge plant 20 N Any Material MM3 174
Treant 8 Huge plant 7 NG Temperate Forests Material SRD
Troll, Mountain 10 Huge giant 15 CE Any Mountains Material MM3 180
Tunnel Terror 15 Huge aberration 18 NE Any Underground Material FF 179
Vasuthant, Horrific 17 Huge undead 25 CE Any Material MM3 183
Whale, Orca 5 Huge animal 9 N Cold Aquatic Material SRD
Wicker Man 11 Huge construct 12 N Any Land Material FF 188
Windghost 15 Huge aberration 18 L Temperate/Warm Any Material MM2 198
Wyste 5 Huge aberration 5 N Any Underground Material MM2 200
Yellow Musk Creeper 4 Huge plant 6 N Any Land/Underground Material FF 190
Yrthak 9 Huge magical beast 12 N Temperate Mountains Material SRD
Yrthak 9 Huge magical beast 12 N Temperate Mountains Material SRD
Yuan-Ti Anathema 18 Huge aberration 22 CE Warm Forests/Underground Material FF 193
Yugoloth, Nycaloth Commander 17 Huge outsider(evil, extraplanar) 25 NE Any Gehenna MM3 203
Yugoloth: Voor, Dreadful Lasher 9 Huge outsider(evil, extraplanar) 15 NE Any Gehenna MM4 193
Zeugalak 12 Huge aberration 16 CN Warm Mountains Material LoM 171
Gargantuan Creatures
Animated Object, Gargantuan 7 Gargantuan construct 16 N Any Material SRD
Astral Kraken 16 Gargantuan vermin(extraplanar) 20 N Any Astral PlH 109
Blackstone Gigant 18 Gargantuan construct 32 NE Any Land Material FF 21
Bone Ooze 21 Gargantuan ooze 20 N Any Underground Material MM2 36
Century Worm 19 Gargantuan vermin 40 N Any Land/Underground Material FF 31
Corpse Gatherer 19 Gargantuan undead 30 N Any Land/Underground Material MM2 51
Dinosaur: Spinosaurus 13 Gargantuan animal 20 N Warm Forests/Hills/Marshes/Plains Material MM2 72
Dire Elephant 10 Gargantuan animal 20 N Warm Forests/Plains Material MM2 75
Elder Black Pudding 12 Gargantuan ooze 20 N Any Underground Material SRD
Elsewhale 7 Gargantuan magical beast(extraplanar) 12 NG Temperate Aquatic PlH 117
Fiendwurm 28 Gargantuan magical beast 24 CE Any Deserts/Plains/Underground Material MM2 99
Flesh Jelly 19 Gargantuan ooze 18 N Warm Forests/Marshes/Plains Material MM2 104
Ibrandlin 5 Gargantuan dragon(fire) 10 LN Any Land/Underground Material MF 62
Kraken 12 Gargantuan magical beast(aquatic) 20 NE Temperate Aquatic Material SRD
Kraken, Elder Eidolon 15 Gargantuan construct 20 N Any Material LoM 146
Linnorm, Corpse Tearer 28 Gargantuan dragon 28 NE Any Land Material MM2 141
Lucent Worm 17 Gargantuan magical beast 22 N Any Aquatic/Mountains/Underground Material FF 118
Megalodon 11 Gargantuan animal(aquatic) 24 N Any Aquatic Material MM2 147
Monstrous Centipede, Fiendish, Gargantuan 8 Gargantuan magical beast(extraplanar) 12 E Any Any Evil SRD
Monstrous Centipede, Gargantuan 6 Gargantuan vermin 12 N Any Underground Material SRD
Monstrous Scorpion, Gargantuan 10 Gargantuan vermin 20 N Warm Deserts Material SRD
Monstrous Spider, Gargantuan 8 Gargantuan vermin 16 N Temperate Forests Material SRD
Necronaut 14 Gargantuan undead(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 32 CE Any Abyss MM3 108
Nightshade: Nightcrawler 18 Gargantuan undead(extraplanar) 25 CE Any Shadow SRD
Odopi, Elder 18 Gargantuan aberration(chaotic, evil, extraplanar) 30 CE Any Carceri MM3 115
Omnimental 15 Gargantuan elemental(air, earth, extraplanar, fire, water) 32 N Any Elemental Fire MM3 118
Purple Worm 12 Gargantuan magical beast 16 N Any Underground Material SRD
Roc 9 Gargantuan animal 18 N Warm Mountains Material SRD
Sea Drake 15 Gargantuan dragon(aquatic) 12 N Any Aquatic Material FF 147
Siege Crab 14 Gargantuan vermin(aquatic) 20 N Warm Aquatic Material MM3 157
Tempest 16 Gargantuan elemental(air, earth, fire, water) 24 CN Any Land Material MM2 193
Teratomorph 16 Gargantuan ooze 28 N Any Aquatic/Underground Material MM2 194
Ulgurstasta 11 Gargantuan undead 17 CE Any Land/Underground Material FF 180
Whale, Baleen 6 Gargantuan animal 12 N Warm Aquatic Material SRD
Whale, Cachalot 7 Gargantuan animal 12 N Temperate Aquatic Material SRD
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Post by Username17 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:10 pm

Land sharks are a pretty good mount for a large humanoid. Behir are centipede shaped, and are really more of a medium creature's mount.
Pretty much everything from monsters of faerun is unusable as is. But some of them are conceptually usable. I could imagine an elf riding a Peyton, for example.
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Post by Josh_Kablack » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:14 pm

> FrankTrollman wrote: But some of them are conceptually usable. I could imagine an elf riding a Peyton, for example.
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Couldn't resist:
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Post by Username17 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:50 pm

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