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Post by npc310 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:00 pm

Source: comicbook.com and USA Today
Everyone's favorite conservative blowhard said during his daily radio show Tuesday it's no coincidence that the villain in the new Batman movie The Dark Knight Rises is named Bane, similar to the name of the company run by Mitt Romney, Bain. The host went on to say that the pro-Obama media would be linking Bane and Bain in an attempt to demonize Romney.
The host was both right and wrong.
WRONG The character Bane was created in 1993 by self-described "lifelong conservatives" Chuck Dixon and Graham Nolan. In an interview with ComicBook.com, Dixon said that Bane is closer to the Occupy Wall Street movement becase the character "is a force for evil and destruction of the status quo". Mr. Dixon went on to say that if ever there was a Bruce Wayne type running for President, it would be Mitt Romney.
RIGHT Jon Stewart likened the character Bane to Mitt Romney's old venture capital firm with the same a similar name. Democrat party advisor Christopher Lehane told The Washington Examiner that the narratives in the movie and this year's election are similar. Both include a "highly intelligent villain with offshore interests and a past that both are trying to cover up who had a powerful father and is set on pillaging society.".
Dixon refuted Jon Stewart's assertion as "ridiculous" and "overgrasping". He did, however, encourage Obama supporters to buy action figures of the villain to throw at Romney. "It adds to MY Bane capital," he said.
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Post by Ancient History » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:19 pm

Scooped.
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Post by Josh_Kablack » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:35 pm

I;m confused, where does McBain fit into this?
"But transportation issues are social-justice issues. The toll of bad transit policies and worse infrastructure—trains and buses that don’t run well and badly serve low-income neighborhoods, vehicular traffic that pollutes the environment and endangers the lives of cyclists and pedestrians—is borne disproportionately by black and brown communities."
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Post by Kaelik » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:41 pm

Wait what?
So when Rush says something stupid, and then Jon Stewart makes fun of Rush for saying something stupid, that's Rush being right because when he specifically brought up a subject, other people laughed at him for how stupid it is?
So If I said, "npc310 will lie about not having murdered his family." and then you say that you didn't murder your family, that is proving me clairvoyant?
No, that's called starting a conversation.
No one has claimed that Bane Capital is actually like Bain the guy who kills people in any serious way other than Rush. Rush said something dumb, and people have made fun of him for it.
Making fun of Rush is not the same as talking about whatever he claimed people were doing.

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Post by Josh_Kablack » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:22 am

Monday, Jon Stewart made series of jokes starting with a riff on the similar names. Tuesday, Rush responded with serious allegations of ZOMG Liburaul Konspiracy!! The only shocking thing there is that Limbaugh has people on staff who watch The Daily Show.
But remember, Romney doesn't get to be Batman - Because he picked Superman
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"But transportation issues are social-justice issues. The toll of bad transit policies and worse infrastructure—trains and buses that don’t run well and badly serve low-income neighborhoods, vehicular traffic that pollutes the environment and endangers the lives of cyclists and pedestrians—is borne disproportionately by black and brown communities."
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Post by Prak » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:35 am

As did the majority of the GOP candidates, because they don't know anyone else, it made for a good sound bite (because we have a Super-mess), or because they believe that Superman was sent by God to save 'murika. But probably mostly because they didn't know anyone else. Also I'm not sure how willing I am to count the Incredibles as legitimate answers, since they're one offs from a Disney movie who were mostly based on the Fantastic Four.
...man, come to think of it, I'm actually really disappointed that so few of the GOP candidates seem to be aware of any superheroes other than Superman. Four of them named Superman, whether because he's really all their knew, or because conservatives really do think Superman is basically "THE American Superhero" (possibly because Captain America would be mortified at the way Conservatives want the country to function. Er, which is not to say Superman wouldn't be, but...), then Santorum named a one off character from a Disney movie (admirable though the character and his reasoning may be), and Huntsman (who?) said Spider-man.
Granted, a lot of other choices would have given pundits a lot of material (even Batman), but, still.
Also, I'd like to point out that Gingrich doesn't know who Martian Manhunter is, a character introduced 17 years after Superman, when Gingrich would have been 12.
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Post by npc310 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:12 am

So Jon Stewart's comments linking Bain Capital and Bane the villain were actually about Rush? I did not know that, I just read the article from USA Today about Jon Stewart. Figures.
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Post by Josh_Kablack » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:29 am

> npc310 wrote:So Jon Stewart's comments linking Bain Capital and Bane the villain were actually about Rush? Figures.

Not at all, you're misinterpreting what I wrote and not even bothering to check sources:
Here's the Daily Show Clip:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-j ... ain-damage
"But transportation issues are social-justice issues. The toll of bad transit policies and worse infrastructure—trains and buses that don’t run well and badly serve low-income neighborhoods, vehicular traffic that pollutes the environment and endangers the lives of cyclists and pedestrians—is borne disproportionately by black and brown communities."
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Post by npc310 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:39 am

I didn't misread you, Josh_Kalack, I misread Kaelik. I didn't have the timing of events. I will agree that Jon Stewart's comments about similarities between evil Bane the villain and evil Bain the company don't count toward helping Rush be right. Christopher Lehane's comments to The Washington Examiner do though, so my post is still valid.
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Post by erik » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:42 am

I hadn't gotten to catch the daily show episode before meeting this thread first. I was expecting Stewart to be making stupid leaps and assertions. I am disappoint. There was no assertion of similarity other than the name.
It was a bit where he just jokes about the name similarity and moves on. Really the name "Bain" is ominous enough aplenty batman villain or no. Stewart was just getting an easy laugh on a clip-dub of the latest batman movie.
npc310, if you aren't watching the daily show and colbert report, then you are probably extremely out of touch. They are the best news shows remaining in the states, mostly TDS, but colbert does address serious issues as well. Not all of Stewart's interviews are informative, but damn if some of them aren't extremely informative and compelling discussions with serious people.
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Post by Prak » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:12 am

But then, of course, the conservative old guard doesn't consider them to be news shows.
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.

> Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.

> FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
> You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.

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Post by npc310 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:09 pm

I don't watch/listen to those entertainment news shows on tv or radio. They are far too partisan; little more than shills for the liberal left or religious right. If I watched a show like Jon Stewart's, I'd want to watch a show like Hannity so that I would have both perspectives. Who has time?
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Post by Surgo » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:10 pm

How can you even compare Jon Stewart to shit like Hannity? Stewart calls bullshit when he sees it (which is often), Hannity is a pure shill.
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Post by Prak » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:26 pm

Because npc310 is a conservative and feels defensive about actually good journalism, probably since it so often calls them out.
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Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.

> Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.

> FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
> You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.

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Post by erik » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:28 pm

That you think Stewart is equivalent to Hannity is just... damn. I'd only recommend watching one of the shill-shitpiece shows just to get an idea of how bad it is. You really should just watch both and if you cannot tell the difference right away, then check your pulse and get an EEG. You may be best suited as an organ donor. (that is to say, brain dead)
The Daily Show calls out bullshit while making silly jokes, the other shows create ever more bullshit. That's not both perspectives. Shit, your wanting both sides is exactly this.
Stewart calls out democrats and republicans, but *mostly* he calls out the shitty excuse for reporting that we have in our media (fox news being the worst does receive tons of scorn, but msnbc is also deserving of scorn and receives it as well).
Note, people who watch the daily show are more likely to be better informed than people who watch any other news show.
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Post by sabs » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:50 pm

to be fair, Jon Stewart doesn't consider them to be news shows either.
Though I think that Jon is /so/ frustrated with how bad CNN/FOX/MSNBC have become that he feels compelled to have real news hidden inside his satire, just to give people an outlet where they aren't being lied to outrageously every 12 seconds.
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Post by Prak » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:09 pm

fair enough
Cuz apparently I gotta break this down for you dense motherfuckers- I'm trans feminine nonbinary. My pronouns are they/them.

> Winnah wrote:No, No. 'Prak' is actually a Thri Kreen impersonating a human and roleplaying himself as a D&D character. All hail our hidden insect overlords.

> FrankTrollman wrote:In Soviet Russia, cosmic horror is the default state.
> You should gain sanity for finding out that the problems of a region are because there are fucking monsters there.

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Post by Maj » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:20 pm

Has anyone else here noticed that the correspondent stories are being more newsy, too?
I mean, they definitely aren't always that way, but in the past few months there seem to be more of them that are a little more serious about exposing real problems and hypocrisies.
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Post by K » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:32 pm

I kind of love that conservatives see a humorous comparison as the same as a serious assertion. It just reinforces their stereotypical image of being people who are not very bright.
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Post by sabs » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:37 pm

I have noticed that Jon is doing more serious news. The fact that the Daily Show gets scrutinized and compared to real news shows is really worrisome.
What's interesting to me, is that his interviews have become really in depth. When he has someone serious on, and 'throws it to the web' there are some REALLY good deep conversations. And he doesn't just call them pinheads, he lets them talk, and has real counter arguments and conversations.
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Post by Chamomile » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:30 pm

The Dark Knight Rises is about how a socialist revolution literally lets the terrorists win, and how we should be willing to ignore the law to thwart it. This is not an exaggeration. The symbolism here is the opposite of what Rush is saying it is. Seriously, you know the "abducting foreign citizens and spying on our own citizens is justified to fight terrorists" stuff Dark Knight had going on? The propaganda is much less subtle in TDKR.
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Post by Whipstitch » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:00 pm

I'm not a fan of the Daily Show, but it's not because I'm a conservative. The odd thing about Stewart is that many conservatives decry him and depict him as a radical liberal shill yet in many ways Stewart's normative timidity is emblematic of the center left's general malaise and distaste for activism. Quite simply, conservatives wield memories of '60s liberal activism like a cudgel and in much of America that era (and liberal activism by extension) is viewed as wrong and more damningly, undignified even though many, many people still distrust MAD & containment politics and are staunchly in favor of the expanded civil rights that were won in that era. One often cannot even have a serious discussion about many well-worn liberal policies without having a round of backpatting and congratulating eachother for being "normal" progressives first. Frankly, it is a huge transparently narcissistic waste of time. And a lot of the blame for that goes on Jon Stewart and people like him. By taking the stance that one is above it all and mocking the concept of activism in general--and he has, both with his Rally to Restore Sanity and his cantankerous relationship with OWS, and many, many other examples over the years--he has contributed to a brand of liberalism that is toothless, whiney and omnipresent. Meanwhile, conservative movements like the Tea Party can be pretty much batshit insane and wrong all the time but since their "brand" includes wearing button up shirts their regressive math failures are still often seen as way less embarrassing than being right about something but smelling like patchouli.*
Also, he's not nearly as funny as Colbert.
*In fairness, I really hate patchouli.
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Post by Username17 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:14 pm

Yeah, Stewart is a funny guy, but he's a Centrist. He's one of those people who is ideologically committed to claiming that both sides are wrong and compromise needs to be made, even when that is not true. He makes fun of people for taking "extreme" positions when those positions are things like "The government shouldn't lie to the public in order to perpetuate a completely pointless war that has cost tens or hundreds of thousands of lives and accomplished less than nothing while embezzling billions of dollars of public money." I'm not even sure it's possible to be "too extreme" in that viewpoint, but he found people to mock on that basis.
Yes, he's in favor of gay rights, environmental protections, progressive tax codes, public education, universal healthcare, and all the other democratic standards - but he's against actually doing anything to make those happen or keep them from getting taken away. Or to put it another way: John Stewart is against cutting old growth trees, but he's also against people actually chaining themselves to trees or otherwise keeping trees from getting cut down. So really, he's just in favor of the trees getting cut down and then feeling sad about it - which is the Centrist position in a nutshell.
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Post by Josh_Kablack » Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:35 pm

Last night, Jon Stewart had a bit wherein he suggested that when Mitt Romney needs to access his funds, he hits Swiss people with baseball bats. This is absurd, and probably even cruel to suggest. However, Stewart never expected his audience to believe that Romney actually does such a thing. Instead the point in the bit was not that Mitt Romney is a sadist, but rather that since Romney hasn't released tax returns from pre-campaign years, it's fair game for people to just make up whatever sort imaginary absurdity they want about Romney's finances - and that those imaginary absurdities are potentially more damaging than the actual facts would be. That may or may not be a fair point to make.
Contrariwise, when Rush tells a caller she's a whore who should post sex videos on Youtube, Rush's point is that the callers is a whore who should post sex videos on YouTube and he wants and expects his audience to believe that.
In short, Stewart's humorous take is more entertaining, but pretty bad about staying on message to influence the electorate.
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Post by Blicero » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:29 am

> Chamomile wrote:The Dark Knight Rises is about how a socialist revolution literally lets the terrorists win, and how we should be willing to ignore the law to thwart it.

This is so distressingly true, it's not even funny. Now, the imagery used is much more French Revolution than Occupy Wall Street, but the parallels between the movie and current events are blindingly obvious. About the best you could say is that socialists who might think they're working to bring about a revolution are actually just tools of terrorists. Which might be even worse, honestly.
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