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Post by Maxus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:40 pm

Rhino
[*]Headbutt
[*]Take Down
[*]Double-Edge
[*]Skull Bash
[*]Slam
[*]Horn Attack
[*]Stomp
[*]Horn Drill
[*]Megahorn
[*]Fury Attack
[*]Rage
Capoeira
[*]Double Kick
[*]Blaze Kick
[*]Triple Kick
[*]Rolling Kick
[*]Mega Kick
[*]Jump Kick
[*]Hi Jump Kick
[*]Low Kick
[*]Teeter Dance
[*]Belly Drum
[*]Swords Dance
[*]Sky Uppercut
Bird
[*]Gust
[*]Wing Attack
[*]Peck
[*]Drill Peck
[*]Fly
[*]Sky Attack
[*]Aerial Ace
[*]Brave Bird
[*]Steel Wing
[*]Slash
[*]Roost
Esoteric Martial Arts
[*]Zen Headbutt
[*]Force Palm
[*]Vacuum Wave
[*]Superpower
[*]Meditate
[*]Reversal
[*]Hidden Power
[*]Mind Reader
[*]Focus Punch
[*]Focus Energy
[*]Ice Punch
[*]Fire Punch
[*]Thunder Punch
Hardbody
[*]Endure
[*]Iron Head
[*]Iron Tail
[*]Defense Curl
[*]Rollout
[*]Body Slam
[*]Take Down
[*]Double-Edge
[*]Headbutt
[*]Bide
Turtle Power
[*]Skull Bash
[*]Bite
[*]Withdraw
[*]Tackle
[*]Crunch
[*]Rapid Spin
[*]Tail Whip
[*]Growl
Swordsman
[*]Fury Cutter
[*]Scratch
[*]Slash
[*]Night Slash
[*]Cut
[*]False Swipe
[*]Feint
[*]Poison Jab
[*]Counter
[*]Swords Dance
[*]Agility
[*]Fury Attack
[*]Air Cutter
[*]Air Slash
[*]Vacuum Wave
Assassin
[*]Shadow Claw
[*]Shadow Force
[*]Shadow Punch
[*]Shadow Sneak
[*]Night Slash
[*]Faint Attack
[*]Guillotine
[*]Toxic
[*]Mean Look
Although my picks are probably suffering from me not actually having the latest generation and not knowing the pokemon and moves which would fit these lists. So feel free to suggest/add more.
Also, a couple of issues with the pokemon lists:
-What is Marowak doing so high up the Ground list? It isn't THAT great.
-Blaziken probably should have its movelists changed. Ditch Bird and go with something more physical like Powerhouse or some list with Slash. Also, its Fire Starter list should be changed to Inferno Body. Inferno Body is the only list with Blaze Kick, Blaziken's signature attack, unless my Capoeira list makes it in.
-Rhyhorn needs to have the Rhino movelist. Period.
Edit-edit: That's interesting. According to serebii.net, Blaziken has the highest attack power of any of the starting pokemon, followed by Swampert, Torterra, Feraligatr, and Infernape. And its special attack is second only to the Water started in Diamond/Pearl. Nifty!
Last edited by Maxus on Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:49 am, edited 12 times in total.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Maxus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:24 pm

Sleepyhead
[*]Rest
[*]Snore
[*]Sleep Talk
[*]Yawn
[*]Amnesia
Speedster
[*]Swift
[*]Quick Attack
[*]Extremespeed
[*]Pursuit
[*]Shadow Sneak
[*]Agility
[*]Double Team
[*]Rapid Spin
[*]Mach Punch
Solar Power
[*]Solar Beam
[*]Synthesis
[*]Sunny Day
[*]Energy Ball
[*]Flash Cannon
Blaster
[*]Flamethrower
[*]Fire Blast
[*]Hyper Beam
[*]Thunderbolt
[*]Thunder
[*]Aura Sphere
[*]Dragon Pulse
[*]Giga Impact
[*]Ice Beam
[*]Blizzard
[*]Hydro Cannon
[*]Blast Burn
[*]Energy Ball
[*]Frenzy Plant
[*]Solar Beam
Leafstress
[*]Razor Leaf
[*]Magical Leaf
[*]Leaf Blade
[*]Leaf Storm
Electromagnet
[*]Metal Sound
[*]Supersonic
[*]Spark
[*]Discharge
[*]Zap Cannon
[*]Magnet Rise
[*]Magnet Bomb
Static Touch
[*]Shock Wave
[*]Thunder Wave
[*]Sonicboom
[*]Thunder Shock
[*]Quick Attack
[*]Thunder Fang
[*]Spark
[*]Volt Tackle
Thunder God
[*]Thunderbolt
[*]Thunder
[*]Thunder Fang
[*]Discharge
[*]Rain Dance
[*]Charge
[*]Light Screen
Judo
[*]Seismic Toss
[*]Vital Throw
[*]Submission
[*]Reversal
[*]Counter
[*]Revenge
[*]Close Combat
[*]Low Kick
Last edited by Maxus on Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:33 am, edited 8 times in total.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Username17 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:27 pm

> -Blaziken probably could have its movelists changed. Ditch Bird and go with something more Martial Artsy. It does get things like Slash, Sky Uppercut, and Bulk Up, and it's basically lost the Bird angle by that time.

Yeah, but except for Hitmonchan, every pokemon who gets it is a signature Capoeirista (Blaziken, Combusken, Breloom, Buneary, Lopunny). While you do strike with your fist, the big deal of the maneuver is that you jump so high that you can hit fliers. Sky Uppercut should just go on the Capoeira list and be done with it).
Now, Slash is just plain an outlier. It normally shows up on Lobsters (like Paras), Furious Monsters (like Girantina), Predators (like Totodile), Mice (like Sandshrew), Cats (like Glameow) or Swordsmen (like Farfetchd). It also incongrously shows up on two birds: Torchic and Skarmory. I don't know if that's enough to put it on the bird list, but I could see an argument either way.
One thing to remember though is that Blaziken seriously has access to 77 different moves without even considering breeding. Even if we precisely tailored a move list for him of "Blaziken Moves, More Blaziken Moves, and Even More Blaziken Moves" that would still only get us to what, 48? A lot of moves - mostly TM moves and Move Tutor moves - are going to get junkpiled no matter what we do. And it's not just that we're going to be scrapping shitty options that no one even realizes that they have like using a TM to slap Snore on Blaziken, we're scrapping things that people seriously use because they aren't "iconic" enough or don't fit with the system.
This is the number one suggested moveset for Blaziken for competitive dueling:

- ~ Fire Blast
  ~ Superpower
  ~ Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Electric
  ~ Vacuum Wave / Stone Edge

What. The. Fuck.
You know what isn't going to happen? Like any of those moves ending up on Blaziken's movelist for this project. Well, Fire Blast, and maybe Superpower will end up on it. But Stone Edge? Not a chance in hell. Hidden Power Grass? Yeah, that's so hidden that it's not going to be on the list.
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Post by Maxus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:44 pm

> FrankTrollman wrote: (Quite a lot of stuff about how ridiculous Blaziken's move set is)
> -Username17

I know. On Ruby version, I bred one with Rock Slide for the hell of it. Good times, good times...
Anyway, went on and made those changes you suggested.
I do think Farfetch'd gets Slash.
Torchic's evolution has some noticeable claws, though--and they do start with Scratch as opposed to Tackle. Every other starter who does that, later gets Slash. And Blaziken does have some nice talons...
Also, I forgot to note that I'd edited the Movelist complaint. Now I'm whining about how Blaziken doesn't get Blaze Kick, another of its signature moves. I know it also gets Fire Punch and Flare Blitz, so Inferno Body is looking pretty appropriate.
Are there any move lists I could go on and put together that are really needed? I was looking at Torrential Downpour's critters. It seems the common denominator for them is Surf and Hydro Pump...But I think I should be more inclusive and use stuff that even vaguely fits the concept.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Maxus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:53 pm

Torrential Power
[*]Surf
[*]Hydro Pump
[*]Aqua Tail
[*]Rain Dance
[*]Waterfall
[*]Water Gun
[*]Aqua Ring
[*]Brine
[*]Bubblebeam
[*]Water Pulse
Yeah, I'm impatient right now.
Slasher
[*]Slash
[*]False Swipe
[*]Pursuit
[*]Razor Wind
[*]Absorb
[*]Mega Drain
[*]Giga Drain
[*]Double Hit
[*]Metal Claw
[*]Poison Sting
[*]Night Slash
[*]Nightmare
[*]Curse
Last edited by Maxus on Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:28 pm, edited 2 times in total.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Koumei » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:32 pm

Maxus, I already did Lobster. I was typing it up (along with a few others) while you posted the "I'm going to do ___"
Hardbody should have Defence Curl added, probably. It boosts defence AND boosts Roll Out.
I *think* Frank was going to put the Fire/Lightning/Ice/Poison Punch moves on Esoteric Martial Arts. Add two more and we've seriously turned that into a full list.
Perhaps chuck Sweep onto the Judo list, as it uses the opponent's weight against them?
Static Touch should definitely have more:
It has Shock Wave, Thunder Wave and Sonic Boom so far.
I'd suggest adding Thunder Shock, Quick Attack, Thunder Fang, Spark and Volt Tackle. Yes I know Volt Tackle is usually Pikachu-only. Now it isn't.
Blaster could *possibly* be expanded with other Beams, not sure if it's necessary.
Solar Power: ...I want to say "Needs moar", but really, that's covered it. "Make it sunny", "Use sun for attacking" and "Use sun for healing".
The others: despite my best efforts I could find no complaints.
I'll alter the list to reflect these being completed. Next on my to-do list:
Mothership, Weasel, Thorns, Baton Passer.

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Post by Maxus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:49 pm

> Koumei wrote:Maxus, I already did Lobster. I was typing it up (along with a few others) while you posted the "I'm going to do __".

Yeah, I caught that...after I put it up.
I'll go throw those in. You're right about those...
Edit: Okay, added them. Except there isn't a move called sweep. Are you sure you're not thinking of Low Kick?
I'm going to go do Knight and Bivalve.
Also, Sphere should have Rollout and Defense Curl, too.
Last edited by Maxus on Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Maxus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:14 pm

Knight
[*]Iron Defense
[*]Counter
[*]Reversal
[*]Endure
[*]Protect
[*]Safeguard
[*]Taunt
[*]Sharpen
Bivalve
[*]Withdraw
[*]Clamp
[*]Iron Defense
[*]Spike Cannon
[*]Water Gun
[*]Whirlpool
Air Ace
[*]Aerial Ace
[*]Wing Attack
[*]Fly
[*]Tailwind
[*]Aeroblast
[*]Sky Attack
[*]Razorwind
[*]Drill Peck
[*]Quick Attack
[*]Air Slash
[*]Whirlwind
[*]Double-team
[*]Screech
Last edited by Maxus on Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Koumei » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:17 pm

Mothership

- Heal Order
- Attack Order
- Defence Order
- Signal Beam
- Bug Buzz
- Sweet Scent
- Confuse Ray
- Double Team

Weasel

- Bite
- Crunch
- Quick Attack
- Growl
- Pursuit
- Swift
- Agility
- Mud Slap
- Ice Fang
- Follow Me
- Covet
- Rest
- Headbutt
- Switcheroo
- Me First
- Fury Swipes

Thorns

- Spikes
- Poison Spikes
- Spike Growth
- Pin Missile
- Needle Arm
- Poison Sting
- Swift
- Leech Seed

Baton-Passer

- Baton Pass
- Agility
- Swords Dance
- Belly Drum
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot
- Encore
- Charge

Muddy

- Mud Body
- Mud Shot
- Haze
- Mud Bomb
- Muddy Water
- Rain Dance
- Watergun
- Whirlpool
- Mud Slap
- Fissure
- Aqua Tail
- Earthquake
- Take Down
- Rock Slide
- Surf
- Dive

Lazy Defence

- Tackle
- Yawn
- Take-Down
- Rest
- Roar
- Protect
- Stockpile
- Swallow
- Body Slam
- Sand Tomb
- Fissure
- Endure

Ta-da! I think I'll have a crack at Steel Type next, if no-one else particularly wants to?

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Post by Maxus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:26 pm

Just do Metagross and Aggron justice, please.
The Magnemite evolution, Lucario, Scizor, Forretress, and Steelix are all already up.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Koumei » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:29 pm

Yes, I meant Low Kick.
When Sphere is done, it will need Defence Curl and Roll-Out, too.
Of course I will do those two justice.

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Post by Maxus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:35 pm

Much obliged, Koumei.
Here's something quick...
Confuser
[*]Confusion
[*]Confuse Ray
[*]Kinesis
[*]Psycho Boost
[*]Psycho Shift
[*]Power Swap
[*]Amnesia
[*]Psybeam
[*]Skill Swap
[*]Supersonic
Wind Rider
[*]Poison Powder
[*]Stun Spore
[*]Sleep Powder
[*]Gust
[*]Supersonic
[*]Whirlwind
[*]Silver Wind
[*]Safeguard
[*]Bug Buzz
[*]Attract
[*]Captivate
Sphere
[*]Defense Curl
[*]Rollout
[*]Take Down
[*]Slam
[*]Endure
[*]Self-destruct
[*]Explosion
[*]Tackle
[*]Headbutt
Gasser
[*]Poison Powder
[*]Stun Spore
[*]Leech Seed
[*]Sleep Powder
[*]Sweet Scent
[*]Cotton Spore
[*]Spore
Hydro Warrior
[*]Hydro Pump
[*]Water Gun
[*]Rain Dance
[*]Aqua Tail
[*]Screech
[*]Thrash
[*]Superpower
[*]Surf
[*]Water sport
[*]Mud Sport
Star Power!
[*]Harden
[*]Tackle
[*]Rapid Spin
[*]Camouflage
[*]Swift
[*]Minimize
[*]Power Gem
[*]Cosmic Power
[*]Gyro Ball
Last edited by Maxus on Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:17 pm, edited 5 times in total.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Maxus » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:51 pm

I'm going to leave for work soon, so I'll go on and slap up what's left of the list.
Moth
Mind Bullets
Caustic
Dominator
Charm
Lasers
-Hyperbeam
-Solar Beam
-Ice Beam
-Aurora Beam
-Psybeam
-Bubblebeam
-Signal Beam
Gadgeteer
Words of Doom
Esoteric Biting Arts
Wraith
Titan
Little Dragon
Water Fowl
Esoteric Horn Arts
Wading Pool
Beauty Pageant
Ocean's Might
Lava User
Spooky
Sacred
Tricky
Best Friend
Mounted Combat
Seeds
Geomancy
Piggy
Construct
Hippo
Bonehead
Might of Earth
Earth Rage
Vedic (Hey, Frank, what is 'Vedic?' Why it on a few of the Fighting mons?)
I'm not that happy with Lasers--it's really close to Cannon, but I can't think of anything better right now. Wraith and Spooky really...don't have enough information to put together a completely move list. Hopefully someone will do the ghosts soon.
Anyway. There you go. What's left of the unfinished move lists.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Username17 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:42 pm

Interesting fact: There are substantially more fighting type pokemon from Enroth than from Sinnoh. 34 to 25. The Ghost Type was already heading that way when I decided to put the beholders into it. Why? Because they are strong against Spellcasters (Psychics) and Dark Type is getting really full.
Ghost Type

Name | Cost | Movelist 1 | Movelist 2 | Movelist 3
Eyeball | 8 | Wind Rider | Lasers |
Lantern Archon | 10 | Wraith | Lasers | Sacred
Ragamuft | 10 | Body Snatcher | Wraith |
Shuppet | 12 | Tricky | Mirage | Gloom and Doom
Duskull | 13 | Spooky | Wraith | Words of Doom
Gastly | 16 | Gasser | Mirage | Wraith
Allip | 17 | Wraith | Confuser | Words of Doom
Skin Kite | 17 | Vampire | Wind Rider | Tentacular
Drifloon | 20 | Sphere | Wind Rider | Gloom and Doom
Bhut | 22 | Vampire | Wraith | Rock On
Xegya | 23 | Wraith | Lasers | Magical Fairy
Sableye | 24 | Brain Fu | Bully | Spooky
Swordwraith | 24 | Swordsman | Wraith | Gloom and Doom
Phase Spider | 24 | Weaver | Assassin | Dimension Rift
Gauth | 26 | Sphere | Tentacular | Dominator
Haunter | 28 | Spooky | Toxic Touch | Amorphous Form
Bloodmot | 28 | Gasser | Amorphous Body | Wraith
Rotom | 31 | Spooky | Gadgeteer | Static Touch
Bezikira | 32 | Cat | Predator | Bully
Misdreavus | 35 | Tricky | Bully | Gloom and Doom
Shedinja | 37 | Bee | Wraith | Words of Doom
Visaj | 41 | Wraith | Dominator | Body Snatcher
Banette | 42 | Mirage | Body Snatcher | Gloom and Doom
Dusclops | 44 | Spooky | Wraith | Dominator
Drifblim | 50 | Sphere | Wind Rider | Gloom and Doom
Jahi | 51 | Wraith | Empath | Body Snatcher
Ulgurstasta | 53 | Mothership | Spitter | Titan
Mismagius | 54 | Magical Fairy | Mirage | Gloom and Doom
Shadow Spider | 55 | Weaver | Assassin | Dimension Rift
Death Knight | 56 | Swordsman | Wraith | Words of Doom
Froslass | 59 | Charm | Frosty | Spooky
Spiritomb | 63 | Empath | Evil Bastard | Gloom and Doom
Beholder | 63 | Sphere | Bite Club | Lasers
Charnal Hound | 65 | Big Dog | Bully | Spooky
Gengar | 71 | Mirage | Toxic Touch | Gloom and Doom
Ragewind | 74 | Psychokinetic | Wraith | Vedic
Banshee | 77 | Wraith | Spooky | Gloom and Doom
Hullathoin | 78 | Mothership | Angry Monster | Spooky
Dusknoir | 81 | Wraith | Dominator | Dimension Rift
Effigy | 85 | Body Inferno | Body Snatcher | Gloom and Doom
Shape of Fire | 99 | Body Inferno | Wraith | Spooky
Voidshadow | 101 | Frosty | Wraith | Gloom and Doom
Crawlahead | 110 | Titan | Sphere | Spooky
Girantina | 121 | Angry Dragon | Spooky | Dimension Rift

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Post by Username17 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:47 pm

> Vedic (Hey, Frank, what is 'Vedic?' Why it on a few of the Fighting mons?)
> I'm not that happy with Lasers--it's really close to Cannon, but I can't think of anything better right now. Wraith and Spooky really...don't have enough information to put together a completely move list. Hopefully someone will do the ghosts soon.

Vedic is the special martial arts you get for having an ass tonne of arms. That's why it's on Girallon, Marilith, Machamp, Geriviar, Ragewind, Slaughterstone, Odopi, and Centimani. Those things have between 4 and 100 arms.
Hopefully a movelist for Wraith and Spooky can be hammered out now that there are over a dozen examples of each.
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Post by IGTN » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:56 pm

Siege Crab is on as Bug/Water, but where's the Giant Crab!? It'd fit in nicely as a Siege Crab pre-evolution.
Also, Charmander and Charmeleon are listed as having Esoteric Biting Arts. Is that supposed to be Bite Club? E again: So's the Worg, Sphinx, and Remorhaz.
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Post by Koumei » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:36 pm

Steel Type Pokemon

Name | Cost | Movelist 1 | Movelist 2 | Movelist 3
Beldum | 12 | Collider | - | -
Mawile | 13 | Power of Cute | Bite Club | Heavy MMetal
Magnemite | 14 | Light Metal | Electromagnet | -
Shieldon | 17 | Hard Rock | Heavy Metal | -
Aron | 17 | Digger | Light Metal | -
Bronzor | 18 | Hard Body | Empath | -
Lairon | 20 | Digger | Heavy Metal | Rhino
Metang | 27 | Collider | Psychokinetic | Heavy Metal
Kyton | 28 | Ninjitsu | Empath | Evil Bastard
Wormadram | 28 | Gadgeteer | Dancer | Ninjitsu
Forretress | 31 | Pod | Sphere | Pokebomb
Magneton | 31 | Light Metal | Electromagnet | Static Touch
Skarmory | 32 | Bird | Heavy Metal | Hard Body
Steelix | 32 | Oh, it's a Snaaaake! | Hard Rock | Heavy Metal
Ironclad Mauler | 35 | Bite Club | Heavy Metal | Gasser
Bastiodon | 43 | Hard Rock | Heavy Metal | Hard Body
Aggron | 47 | Rhino | Heavy Metal | Rock On
Empoleon | 47 | Frosty | Aerialist | Heavy Metal
Bronzong | 48 | Hard Body | Heavy Metal | Empath
Probopass | 50 | Hard Rock | Heavy Metal | Electromagnet
Magnezone | 53 | Heavy Metal | Electromagnet | Static Touch
Scizor | 59 | Swordsman | Knight | Slasher
Lucario | 65 | Heavy Metal | Martial Artist | Blaster
Metagross | 77 | Psychokinetic | Heavy Metal | Powerhouse
Jirachi | 78 | Cosmic Power | Empath | Doomsday
Heatran | 80 | Lava User | Heavy Metal | Digger
Registeel | 101 | Heavy Metal | Titan | Powerhouse
Dialga | 121 | Timelord | Kaiju | Angry Dragon

Ta-da! Also, Electromagnet needs Magnet Bomb.
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Post by Username17 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:39 pm

You mean the GIANT FVCKING CRAB!? Sure, added.
Esoteric Biting Arts are probably just Bite Club. I will change them in time. Similarly, I think that cooler heads will prevail and "Oh,it's a Snaaaaake" or whatever is going to be renamed "Serpent."
Anyway, next project is Dark. And after that, I am going to be doing Rock. Good old Rock, nothing beats Rock.
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Post by Quantumboost » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:06 pm

Psychic is done! Well, drafted. I assumed that the various Nymphlike Fey were Charm-Psychics.
Psychic Type

Name | Cost | Movelist 1 | Movelist 2 | Movelist 3
Baltoy | 10 | Construct | Psychokinetic | Geomancy
Beldum | 12 | Collider |  |
Ralts | 10 | Humanoid | Empath |
Wynaut | 10 | Power of Cute |  | Counterattack!
Chingling | 12 | Power of Cute | Tentacular |
Kirlia | 12 | Humanoid | Empath | Dancer
Meditite | 12 | Dim Mak | Esoteric Martial Arts |
Abra | 13 | Humanoid | Psychokinetic |
Mime Jr. | 14 | Power of Cute | Confuser | Mirror Magic
Natu | 14 | Psychokinetic | Cosmic Power |
Smoochum | 14 | Living Snowball | Gloom and Doom | Power of Cute
Unown | 14 | Spooky | Lasers |
Drowzee | 15 | Empath |  | Brain-Fu
Exeggcute | 16 | Seeds | Confuser |
Dryad | 17 | Charm | Pain in the Grass | Humanoid
Spoink | 17 | Confuser | Sleepyhead | Spring Attack
Bronzor | 18 | Confuser | Light Metal |
Slowpoke | 20 | Wading Pool | Confuser |
Wobbuffet | 22 | Mirror Magic |  | Counterattack!
Kadabra | 24 | Humanoid | Psychokinetic |
Sirine | 24 | Charm | Wading Pool | Humanoid
Medicham | 25 | Dim Mak | Esoteric Martial Arts | Empath
Chimecho | 28 | Power of Cute | Tentacular | Confuser
Metang | 27 | Collider | Psychokinetic | Heavy Metal
Lunatone | 30 | Hard Rock | Psychokinetic | In the Name of the Moon
Solrock | 30 | Hard Rock | Psychokinetic | Solar Power
Mr. Mime | 31 | Humanoid | Confuser | Mirror Magic
Claydol | 32 | Construct | Dominator | Geomancy
Epimeliad | 32 | Charm | Pain in the Grass | Humanoid
Nymph | 32 | Charm | Wading Pool | Humanoid
Oread | 32 | Charm | Geomancer | Humanoid
Succubus | 32 | Humanoid | Charm |
Slowbro | 35 | Hydro Warrior | Empath | Powerhouse
Girafarig | 36 | Psychokinetic | Bully | Baton Passer
Grumpig | 36 | Confuser | Sleepyhead | Spring Attacker
Jynx | 36 | Humanoid | Living Snowball | Gloom and Doom
Xatu | 36 | Psychokinetic | Cosmic Power | Air Ace
Alakazam | 37 | Humanoid | Psychokinetic |
Slowking | 37 | Hydro Warrior | Psychokinetic | Powerhouse
Espeon | 45 | Cat | Confuser | Solar Power
Bronzong | 48 | Hard Body | Heavy Metal | Empath
Couatl | 47 | Serpent | Empath | Air Ace
Exeggutor | 50 | Seeds | Confuser | Leafstress
Starmie | 53 | Star Power! | Empath | Torrential Power
Gardevoir | 57 | Humanoid | Empath | Dancer
Hypno | 59 | Empath | Humanoid | Brain-Fu
Gallade | 60 | Swordsman | Empath | Esoteric Martial Arts
Metagross | 77 | Psychokinetic | Heavy Metal | Powerhouse
Jirachi | 78 | Cosmic Power | Empath | Doomsday
Deoxys | 81 | Gadgeteer | Tentacular | Brain-Fu
Formian Queen | 85 | Pod | Dominator | Titan
Azelf | 100 | Confuser | Sleepyhead | Magical Fairy
Mesprit | 100 | Confuser | Sleepyhead | Magical Fairy
Uxie | 100 | Confuser | Sleepyhead | Magical Fairy
Latias | 101 | Dragon | Psychokinetic | Cosmic Forces
Latios | 101 | Dragon | Psychokinetic | Cosmic Forces
Lugia | 101 | Angry Dragon | Air Ace | Torrential Power
Celebi | 110 | Leafstress | Cosmic Forces | Baton Passer
Cresselia | 110 | Confuser | Living Snowball | In the Name of the Moon
Mew | 110 | Mouse | Blaster | Shapeshifter
Mewtwo | 121 | Humanoid | Psychokinetic | Blaster
Neh-Thalggu | 121 | Wraith | Dominator | Gloom and Doom

Added movelist names:
Mirror Magic
Counterattack!
Spring Attacker (name needs work, but this is the bouncy martial arts list)
In the Name of the Moon
Shapeshifter (Ditto and Mew are probably going to be the only ones to get this, unless we want to be silly and add Phasm)
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Post by Koumei » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:27 pm

Fine, I'll re-name it to Serpent. You just want to spoil all my fun. Also, I assume the Giant Crab has a weak point that can be hit for massive damage, right?
Time Lord

- Heal Block
- Roar of Time
- Teleport
- Slow

Collider

- Tackle
- Double Edge
- Harden
- Headbutt
- Head Smash
- Body Slam
- Bounce
- Hammer Arm
- Stone Edge
- Take Down
- Giga Impact
- Large Hadron
- Growth
- Knock-Off
- Zen Headbutt
- Rock Smash

Doomsday

- Future Sight
- Doom Desire
- Cosmic Power
- Last Resort
- Gravity
- Secret Power

Mind Bullets

- Kinesis
- Psychic
- Charge
- Thunderbolt
- Mind Blast
- Psy-Beam

Moth

- Gust
- Whirlwind
- Silver Wind
- Tailwind
- Bug Buzz
- Aerial Ace
- Fly
- U-Turn
- Defog
- Roost
- Supersonic
- Double Team
- Absorb
- Stun Spore
- Moonlight
- Air Slash

Lava User

- Lava Plume
- Overheat
- Lava Floor
- Sunny Day
- Heat Metal
- Magma Storm
- Blast Burn
- Eruption

Charm

- Charm
- Attract
- Captivate
- Sing
- Lucky Chant
- Present
- Fake Tears
- Sweet Kiss
- Return
- Heal Bell
- Safeguard
- Wish
- Switcheroo
- Encore
- Splash Attack
- Light Screen

Spooky

- Scary Face
- Ominous Wind
- Shadow Ball
- Dream Eater
- Astonish
- Flash
- Torment
- Poltergeist
- Shadow Sneak
- Nightshade
- Confuse Ray
- Will-O-Wisp
- Memento
- Haze
- Icy Wind
- Nightmare

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Post by Koumei » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:11 pm

Right, so, some people have "claimed" Rock, Dark and Ice. This leaves Normal, Flying, Poison and Dragon. If someone else wants to do Flying, that'd be fantastic. I'll do Dragon Next, then chomp on a few more lists.
But while I have the microphone, so to speak, let's look over some things:
1. Stats still start at that 0-4 spread
2. They go up by +3 across the board every level
3. Presumably, a higher valued Pokemon also gets bigger stats
4. Every level you gain (Bigness) HP
5. Initiative is based on Quickness or whatever
6. Presumably the other stats do not affect some other "Not ATT or DEF" thing, but we don't care, because it's not that big a deal and, for any given points value, the numbers will be more or less the same anyway

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Post by Jilocasin » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:17 pm

> Maxus wrote:-What is Marowak doing so high up the Ground list? It isn't THAT great.

I put it that high because Marowak can have the highest attack stat in the game. I think it fits at level 15 but if people want to change it I'm not married to it.

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Added it to the list I posted.
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Post by Jilocasin » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:34 pm

Hey I'm typing up the Flying list right now and I just noticed that neither Bird, Air Ace, or Aerialist have Roost in them. Seems a bit odd to me, and I think it should be included in at least one of those. Preferably Bird.

Here we go. Fying type!
Flying Type:

Name | Cost | Movelist 1 | Movelist 2 | Movelist 3
Zubat | 10 |  | Air Ace | Vampire
Pidgey | 10 | Bird | Air Ace |
Starly | 10 | Bird | Evil Bastard |
Gligar | 10 | Lobster | Desert Storm | Air Ace
Spearow | 10 | Bird | Aerialist |
Hoppip | 10 | Sphere | Gasser | Wind Rider
Wingull | 10 | Water Fowl | Aerialist |
Combee | 10 | Bee | Delicious |
Gusti | 10 | Wind Rider | Aerialist |
Ledyba | 12 | Beetle | Boxing | Cheerleader
Hoothoot | 12 | Bird | Confuser |
Taillow | 14 | Bird | Singer |
Natu | 14 | Psychokinetic | Cosmic Power |
Doduo | 14 | Bird | Predator |
Swablu | 16 | Bird | Singer | Power of Cute
Mantyke | 17 | Fishy | Aerialist |
Fire Bat | 17 | Body Inferno | Air Ace | Vampire
Skiploom | 17 | Sphere | Gasser | Vampire
Chatot | 18 | Bird | Singer | Cheerleader
Delibird | 18 | Bird | Frosty | Charm
Butterfree | 20 | Confuser | Moth | Wind Rider
Beautifly | 20 | Moth | Confuser | Wind Rider
Murkrow | 20 | Bird | Evil Bastard |
Fearow | 20 | Bird | Aerialist |
Noctowl | 20 | Bird | Confuser | Spooky
Ledian | 20 | Beetle | Boxing | Cheerleader
Yanma | 20 | Air Ace | Beetle |
Pelipper | 20 | Water Fowl | Aerialist |
Drifloon | 20 | Sphere | Wind Rider | Gloom and Doom
Cyclonax | 20 | Wind Rider | Aerialist |
Pidgeotto | 22 | Bird | Air Ace |
Staravia | 23 | Bird | Evil Bastard | Air Ace
Farfetch'd | 24 | Bird | Air Ace | Swordsman
Togetic | 24 | Bird | Magical Fairy | Cheerleader
Masquerain | 26 | Spitter | Air Ace | Bully
Golbat | 27 | Vampire | Air Ace | Bully
Mothim | 28 | Moth | Confuser |
Asperi | 30 | Winder Rider | Frosty | Speedster
Arrowhawk | 30 | Predator | Air Ace | Bully
Jumpluff | 31 | Wind Rider | Gasser | Vampire
Mantine | 32 | Fishy | Aerialist |
Yanmega | 32 | Air Ace | Lobster | Slasher
Skarmory | 32 | Bird | Heavy Metal | Hard Body
Pidgeot | 36 | Bird | Air Ace |
Dodrio | 36 | Bird | Predator | Multi-Minded
Xatu | 36 | Psychokinetic | Cosmic Power | Air Ace
Tempesteos | 37 | Wind Rider | Aerialist | Gasser
Ninjask | 37 | Poisoner | Baton Passer | Ninjutsu
Tropius | 37 | Air Ace | Delicious | Leafstress
Staraptor | 38 | Air Ace | Evil Bastard | Predator
Swellow | 39 | Bird | Cheerleader | Aerialist
Vespiqueen | 40 | Bee | Mothership | Dominator
Couatl | 42 | Serpent | Sacred | Aerialist
Altaria | 45 | Bird | Little Dragon | Singer
Scyther | 47 | Swordsman | Bee | Slasher
Cloud Ray | 47 | Wind Rider | Glacial Might | Lazy Defense
Honchkrow | 50 | Bird | Evil Bastard | Air Ace
Drifblim | 50 | Sphere | Wind Rider | Gloom and Doom
Charizard | 52 | Fire Starter | Dragon | Bully
Togekiss | 53 | Bird | Cheerleader | Blaster
Absur'd | 53 | Knight | Air Ace | Swordsman
Gliscor | 53 | Assassin | Desert Storm | Slasher
Crobat | 65 | Vampire | Air Ace | Bully
Gyarados | 71 | Angry Dragon | Torrential Power | Bite Club
Aerodactyl | 71 | Fossil | Furious Monster | Air Ace
Dragonite | 77 | Dragon | Aerialist | Blaster
Stormai | 77 | Mirage | Wind Rider | Gasser
Salamence | 79 | Angry Dragon | Blaster | Air Ace
Articuno | 85 | Bird | Frosty | Air Ace
Zapdos | 90 | Air Ace | Thunder God | Bird
Moltres | 90 | Bird | Fire Master | Air Ace
Lugia | 101 | Angry Dragon | Air Ace | Torrential Power
Phoenix (Ho-oh) | 101 | Bird | Fire Master | Sacred
Solar | 110 | Fire Master | Air Ace | Sacred
Rayquaza | 115 | Angry Dragon | Cosmic Forces | Air Ace

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Post by Koumei » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:14 am

This was almost entirely a cut and paste job from all the others, because Single-Type Dragon is basically forbidden.
Dragon Type Pokemon

Name | Cost | Movelist 1 | Movelist 2 | Movelist 3
Dratini | 12 | Little Dragon | Serpent | -
Bagon | 12 | Little Dragon | - | -
Gible | 17 | Little Dragon | Digger | -
Shellgon | 27 | Little Dragon | Hard Body | -
Dragonair | 28 | Dragon | Serpent | Wading Pool
Vibrava | 32 | Bug | Desert Storm | Wind Rider
Gabite | 32 | Angry Dragon | Digger | Slasher
Altaria | 45 | Bird | Little Dragon | Singer
Flygon | 53 | Little Dragon | Desert Storm | Wind Rider
Kingdra | 65 | Angry Dragon | Torrential Power | Speedy
Dragonite | 77 | Angry Dragon | Aerialist | Blaster
Garchomp | 77 | Angry Dragon | Slasher | Burrower
Salamence | 79 | Angry Dragon | Blaster | Air Ace
Latias | 101 | Dragon | Cosmic Forces | Psychokinetic
Latios | 101 | Dragon | Cosmic Forces | Psychokinetic
Rayquaza | 115 | Angry Dragon | Cosmic Forces | Air Ace
Palkia | 121 | Angry Dragon | Dimensional Rift | Torrential Power
Dialga | 121 | Angry Dragon | Time Lord | Kaiju
Giratina | 121 | Angry Dragon | Dimensional Rift | Spooky

Thoughts for later:
Dragonturtle is probably Water/Dragon
Chimera is probably Dragon
Coatl is probably Flying/Dragon
Hydra is probably Water/Dragon or Water/Ground or something
Black Dragons would be Water/Dragon or Poison/Dragon, I'd suggest the latter
Red and Gold are Fire/Dragon
Blue is Electric/Dragon
Also, is Garchomp really only a 77? Last I heard he was boosted from OU tier to Uber tier.

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Post by Jilocasin » Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:27 am

Ah, he was, but I'd be surprised if the stuff that made him awesome in competitive battling fully translated to this project. I guess bumping him up to 80-85 would be cool.
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