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Post by SlyJohnny » Mon May 09, 2016 4:37 pm

> Longes wrote:

> > FrankTrollman wrote:The Puppies are still horrible people whose only motivation is a hatred of democracy and progress, but that was pretty funny.
> > -Username17

> Huh?

Yeah, as Frank explained, their entire platform is that sci-fi was great before all these bloody women and minorities invaded the old boy's club, and started writing sci-fi about stuff other than rockets and laser guns. Or even stuff that was about rockets and laser guns, but had the gall to include a non-white or otherwise 'unusual' protagonist; one of the books they were getting shitty about last year was Ancillary Justice, where the protagonist is the AI of an ancient warship that was destroyed (leaving her with only a single corpse-soldier meat suit node) who has perceptual trouble differentiating human genders. The main space empire of the setting doesn't really do the whole "gender identity" thing and refers to everyone using female pronouns, anyway.
The last two books of that trilogy really doubled down on the SJW bullshit, and they're really not worth reading (as much as it pains me to agree with the Puppies on ANYTHING), but the first book really doesn't do or say anything offensive, unless you're a crochety racist old white man who wants brown people and trans folks to get off your lawn.
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Post by Eikre » Mon May 09, 2016 7:33 pm

> Mechalich wrote:Honestly, what the agency should have done is rebooted the whole selection process with a list of say ten pre-approved names and put those up for vote instead rather than simply decide on the (otherwise very appropriate) David Attenborough by fiat.

I find the name of the vessel satisfactory, on the condition that they also award Sir Attenborough with arms and tartan, naming him progenitor of Clan McBoatface.
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Post by Josh_Kablack » Mon May 09, 2016 7:44 pm

> SlyJohnny wrote: The last two books of that trilogy really doubled down on the SJW bullshit, and they're really not worth reading (as much as it pains me to agree with the Puppies on ANYTHING).

The "SJW bullshit" has absolutely nothing to do with why the 2nd and 3rd books are so very inferior to the first. Instead the issues have to do with:

- The main character's motivations in the sequels are far muddier than the millennia old desperate revenge gambit of the first book, making her far less compelling.
- The interesting parts of the setting have already been established, making the world-building far less interesting.
- The Aliens who were an alien and inscrutable background threat in the first book show up and are flat out better than you physics in what may be the slowest moving deus ex machina ever.

Those are far bigger issues than the politcal allegory subplots about how nobody cares that tea plantation workers are mistreated and the "migrants" aboard the space station don't actually get the rights accorded to the rest of the Radach.
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Post by Chamomile » Mon May 09, 2016 8:09 pm

> Eikre wrote:

> > Mechalich wrote:Honestly, what the agency should have done is rebooted the whole selection process with a list of say ten pre-approved names and put those up for vote instead rather than simply decide on the (otherwise very appropriate) David Attenborough by fiat.

> I find the name of the vessel satisfactory, on the condition that they also award Sir Attenborough with arms and tartan, naming him progenitor of Clan McBoatface.

I know what my next CK2 runthrough is going to be about, now.
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Post by Leress » Thu May 12, 2016 8:23 am

http://www.earthables.com/cave-will-blo ... 86027.html
Man spent 25 years creating cave carvings.

> Koumei wrote:I'm just glad that Jill Stein stayed true to her homeopathic principles by trying to win with .2% of the vote. She just hasn't diluted it enough!

> Koumei wrote:I am disappointed in Santorum: he should carry his dead election campaign to term!

> Just a heads up... Your post is pregnant... When you miss that many periods it's just a given.

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Post by Longes » Sun May 22, 2016 8:50 am

"Fruit Ninja" movie is being made.
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Post by SlyJohnny » Sun May 22, 2016 1:55 pm

> Josh_Kablack wrote:

> > SlyJohnny wrote: The last two books of that trilogy really doubled down on the SJW bullshit, and they're really not worth reading (as much as it pains me to agree with the Puppies on ANYTHING).

> The "SJW bullshit" has absolutely nothing to do with why the 2nd and 3rd books are so very inferior to the first. Instead the issues have to do with:
> - The main character's motivations in the sequels are far muddier than the millennia old desperate revenge gambit of the first book, making her far less compelling.
> - The interesting parts of the setting have already been established, making the world-building far less interesting.
> - The Aliens who were an alien and inscrutable background threat in the first book show up and are flat out better than you physics in what may be the slowest moving deus ex machina ever.
> Those are far bigger issues than the politcal allegory subplots about how nobody cares that tea plantation workers are mistreated and the "migrants" aboard the space station don't actually get the rights accorded to the rest of the Radach.

I agree with your listed reasons, but also found it anti-climatic that the genocidal warmongering tyrant antagonist was handily defeated by grass-roots activism.
The aliens, as you say, who were at first set up as an inscrutable distant threat apparently existed only to show up and legitimise Breq's attempts to set up a people's republic where AIs could cooexist with humans in a liberal utopia.
The shift in perspective away from the space empire to focus exclusively on the domestic problems of this tiny backwater tea-farming planet and it's space station were a bit dull, as well.
Also, I get that the human soldiers replacing the ancillarys weren't supposed to be elite forces, but the sheer number of times they asked for hugs kind of phased me, plus they kept taking "personal days" in the middle of developing combat situations and noone thought that this was odd or had any kind of a problem with it.
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Post by hyzmarca » Wed May 25, 2016 6:35 pm

Hulk Hogan is suing Gawker again, because losing more than their entire empire is worth once isn't enough.
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Post by Koumei » Thu May 26, 2016 1:55 am

This is standard for a wrestling story line - you want a series of matches.
That said, if Gawker hasn't been properly tanked by the first one, I support any efforts to properly sink them this time around, even if the Hulkamania isn't their biggest victim. Rather, because he isn't - I'll cheer for him in fighting them on his own behalf even though he's a cock.
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Post by nockermensch » Fri May 27, 2016 5:58 pm

> Koumei wrote:This is standard for a wrestling story line - you want a series of matches.
> That said, if Gawker hasn't been properly tanked by the first one, I support any efforts to properly sink them this time around, even if the Hulkamania isn't their biggest victim. Rather, because he isn't - I'll cheer for him in fighting them on his own behalf even though he's a cock.

Do you want wrestling plotlines? Because Hogan's lawsuit has been secretly funded by a billionaire who's also a Trump delegate.
@ @ Nockermensch

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Post by Leress » Fri May 27, 2016 6:25 pm

> nockermensch wrote:

> > Koumei wrote:This is standard for a wrestling story line - you want a series of matches.
> > That said, if Gawker hasn't been properly tanked by the first one, I support any efforts to properly sink them this time around, even if the Hulkamania isn't their biggest victim. Rather, because he isn't - I'll cheer for him in fighting them on his own behalf even though he's a cock.

> Do you want wrestling plotlines? Because Hogan's lawsuit has been secretly funded by a billionaire who's also a Trump delegate.

I think this is the more important bit then being a Trump delegate

> the article wrote:Thiel, whose sexuality was outed in a 2007 Valleywag article, argued that he third-party funding was "less about revenge and more about specific deterrence." The venture capitalist, worth an estimated $2.7 billion, said he decided several years ago to covertly provide money to "victims" of stories posted on Gawker Media's properties. "I didn't really want to do anything," he told The New York Times, saying that he thought providing so-called third-party litigation funding "would do more harm to me than good." Thiel said he changed his mind when one of his friends convinced him that if he didn't step in to stop Gawker, nobody would.

> Koumei wrote:I'm just glad that Jill Stein stayed true to her homeopathic principles by trying to win with .2% of the vote. She just hasn't diluted it enough!

> Koumei wrote:I am disappointed in Santorum: he should carry his dead election campaign to term!

> Just a heads up... Your post is pregnant... When you miss that many periods it's just a given.

> I want him to tongue-punch my box.

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Post by Stahlseele » Fri May 27, 2016 7:35 pm

I like that.
The bully that is gawker gets to feel how it is when somebody who is bigger than you has it out for you and simply helps your other victims.
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> > TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
> > Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.

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Post by Starmaker » Fri May 27, 2016 8:40 pm

> Leress wrote:I think this is the more important bit then being a Trump delegate

> > the article wrote:Thiel, whose sexuality was outed in a 2007 Valleywag article, argued that he third-party funding was "less about revenge and more about specific deterrence."

> Stahlseele wrote:I like that.
> The bully that is gawker gets to feel how it is when somebody who is bigger than you has it out for you and simply helps your other victims.

Who's helping Gawker's "other victims"? Do you think gay people would fare exceptionally well under Trump?
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Post by name_here » Fri May 27, 2016 8:59 pm

Um, Thiel. He's been bankrolling lawsuits by other people who had highly private information such as their sexual orientation and homemade sex tapes publicly released by Gawker. He is also a Trump delegate.

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Post by Username17 » Fri May 27, 2016 9:47 pm

Yeah, the fact that Thiel is also a fascist shit stain is mostly irrelevant to this issue. He happens to have a giant pile of money and a justified mad hatred for Gawker. It's worrying that this case might end up being a test case for legal harassment of legit news organizations. But Gawker was never a legit news organization and clearly broke the law and the boundaries of common decency.
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Post by Leress » Fri May 27, 2016 9:51 pm

Starmaker, did you read the article?

> Koumei wrote:I'm just glad that Jill Stein stayed true to her homeopathic principles by trying to win with .2% of the vote. She just hasn't diluted it enough!

> Koumei wrote:I am disappointed in Santorum: he should carry his dead election campaign to term!

> Just a heads up... Your post is pregnant... When you miss that many periods it's just a given.

> I want him to tongue-punch my box.

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Post by Starmaker » Sat May 28, 2016 12:37 pm

> Leress wrote:Starmaker, did you read the article?

It's revenge. The problem with outing gay people isn't just the invasion of privacy, it's the high potential of ruining their lives. I live in Russia, where outing leads to career- and often actual murder. Gay people get catfished, spied upon, extorted and murdered, and none of it is prosecuted. Do you (or does Thiel) seriously think minorities would fare better under Trump? Because the more plausible future in Trumpistan is O'Queef messaging Thiel v.2 on LinkedIn telling him to pony up 1 bn or get pronounced gay even if he's actually straight.
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Post by Leress » Sat May 28, 2016 3:04 pm

Starmaker that has fuck all to do with what is being talked about.
To answer your questions:
No.
Ask Theil yourself.
Since Trump is a very sue-happy kind of guy for even the slightest of perceived slights
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2016/03/14/you ... itigation/
he may extend this narcissism to everyone.

> Koumei wrote:I'm just glad that Jill Stein stayed true to her homeopathic principles by trying to win with .2% of the vote. She just hasn't diluted it enough!

> Koumei wrote:I am disappointed in Santorum: he should carry his dead election campaign to term!

> Just a heads up... Your post is pregnant... When you miss that many periods it's just a given.

> I want him to tongue-punch my box.

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Post by Stahlseele » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:14 pm

http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/05/u ... -the-mood/
Fuck Disney!
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With a rusty spoon!
Sideways!
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> Shrapnel wrote:

> > TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
> > Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.

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Post by Kaelik » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:39 pm

The best part about them copying A New Hope was that it gave better odds of them copying Empire.
RIP the Dream.

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Post by Korwin » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:44 pm

> Kaelik wrote:The best part about them copying A New Hope was that it gave better odds of them copying Empire.
> RIP the Dream.

Copying Empire strikes back is still likely. Rogue One plays apparently up to 10 minutes before 'A new Hope' timeline wise (according to the above article).
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Post by Stahlseele » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:47 pm

Yeah, Rogue one is supposed to be the Agent that gave Leia the Deathstar Plans.
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> > TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
> > Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.

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Post by Shatner » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:08 pm

> Stahlseele wrote:Yeah, Rogue one is supposed to be the Agent that gave Leia the Deathstar Plans.

<snark>Which is just more flagrant whitewashing by Hollywood. This should be a vehicle for many bothan actors, not another human.</sarcasm>
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Post by Kaelik » Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:08 pm

> Korwin wrote:

> > Kaelik wrote:The best part about them copying A New Hope was that it gave better odds of them copying Empire.
> > RIP the Dream.

> Copying Empire strikes back is still likely. Rogue One plays apparently up to 10 minutes before 'A new Hope' timeline wise (according to the above article).

If they are going to make a cluster of dead agents into a feel good movie, then how can I trust them to cut off Rei's arm?

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Post by Stahlseele » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:52 pm

> Shatner wrote:

> > Stahlseele wrote:Yeah, Rogue one is supposed to be the Agent that gave Leia the Deathstar Plans.

> <snark>Which is just more flagrant whitewashing by Hollywood. This should be a vehicle for many bothan actors, not another human.</sarcasm>

i'd still watch that, if it were a grimdark star wars depicting the rise of the empire between the end of the 3rd prequel and the first star wars movie!
it would finally be not just space opera but for adults!
finally SHOW why vader is as hated and feared as he is for some reason.
and no, annie going emo does not count <.<
he did what the prophecy said and brought balance to the force by helping eradicate most of the jedi untill there were only 2 left. Yoda and Obi-Wan.
And him and Emps as the 2 sith.
Maybe show what happened to the cloning world they had used to make their armies of storm troopers to fight the droids with. Sadly, the first deathstar war already in construction and almost finished at the end of the 3rd prequel movie, so nothing about who and how and why would think that to be a good idea . .
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> > TFwiki wrote:Soon is the name of the region in the time-domain (familiar to all marketing departments, and to the moderators and staff of Fun Publications) which sees release of all BotCon news, club exclusives, and other fan desirables. Soon is when then will become now.
> > Peculiar properties of spacetime ensure that the perception of the magnitude of Soon is fluid and dependent, not on an individual's time-reference, but on spatial and cultural location. A marketer generally perceives Soon as a finite, known, yet unspeakable time-interval; to a fan, the interval appears greater, and may in fact approach the infinite, becoming Never. Once the interval has passed, however, a certain time-lensing effect seems to occur, and the time-interval becomes vanishingly small. We therefore see the strange result that the same fragment of spacetime may be observed, in quick succession, as Soon, Never, and All Too Quickly.

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