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Orion
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### Time to put down that barrel of cocks.

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Post by Orion » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:59 pm

I am as far as I know the originator of the "barrel of cocks" meme, or at least the one who popularized it on this board. (I seem to recall that image files were found suggesting the idea has devloped elsewhere independently) I remember why I said it and I stand by it in that context. I'll admit, as a writer I was initially gratified when my phrase seemed to catch on. But But over time my excitement has faded into indifference and then dread. Enough is enough, and it's time to put that barrel of cocks back on the shelf.
Like a lot of posters, I was surprised and pleased to discover the Den's lack of a profanity filter. I quickly embraced those new notes in my register. However, I didn't stay at the Den just out of the exhilration of cussing. I also stayed because of the community standards it implied. What I valued about the Den's freedom of discourse was our ability to communicate clearly, directly, and concisely about matters of controversial opinion. Sometimes swearing was the best way to establish that Fighters fucking suck, that Mearls' design credits are less finished than a 5-week abortion, and reading Apocalypse world made me literally ejaculate with joy and inspiration.
Today, that barrel of cocks that once surged with vigorous creative energy has become the withered center of a flaccid ritual. We have become the Sambia, proffering the barrel to newcomers for no purpose other than initiation into the mysteriess of the Den. The effort to stuff our posts full ever more elaborate obscenities has gone so far that I myself often find a long post difficult to take in; for newcomers, I have no doubt that it makes our actual ideas difficult to swallow.
We all hate on 4chan and Something Awful for their deliberate perpetuation of memes and phrases taht render them unintelligible to outsiders, and the resulting groupthink. It's time we recognized that Den is evolving into its own language, and ask ourselves honestly what functions that language serves.
Put the cock down, and step away from the barrel with your hands up.
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Post by Mistborn » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:11 pm

Go suck a barrel of cocks
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Post by erik » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:25 pm

Not sure if should respond seriously or allude to your mom being the originator of sucking a barrel of cocks. Feels bad man.
I'm torn. =-(
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Post by Mr. GC » Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:38 pm

> erik wrote:Not sure if should respond seriously or allude to your mom being the originator of sucking a barrel of cocks. Feels bad man.
> I'm torn. =-(

Both of your mothers are tag teaming a barrel between them right now. Oh yeah, suck it harder!

> FrankTrollman wrote:The Melee Fighter's contribution to the game is that Cleric gets to see less of the future and summon less angels. Seriously, that's his contribution. It's not harmless fun. It's showing up to restaurants without your wallet and expecting your friends to pay your way. For fun.

> K wrote:Rogue is a bad choice because the game can't handle a whole party that uses stealth or a whole party doing sneak attack.

> Kaelik wrote:...the party having even a chance of dying is bad, not good.

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Post by Wrathzog » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:03 pm

I try to go out of my way to be as courteous as possible to everyone on the board. I figure that if I can maintain my composure here, I can be a cool guy anywhere.
Also, I think it's hilarious how your point has been proven in like 30 minutes.
High-fives, guys, all around.
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Post by Libertad » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:05 pm

General Ironicus of Let's Play fame predicted this back in July:

> The thing that stands out to me about the gaming den is how they have agreed-upon names for everything they complain about, then list them off as if it's a discussion. They're less than a year from going full Darmok.

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Post by Mr. GC » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:05 pm

> Wrathzog wrote:I try to go out of my way to be as courteous as possible to everyone on the board. I figure that if I can maintain my composure here, I can be a cool guy anywhere.
> Also, I think it's hilarious how your point has been proven in like 30 minutes.
> High-fives, guys, all around.

Hey you, duck boy. Suck a load of dicks.
You do realize we're deliberately being ironic right? You're not actually Stormbringer in disguise, right?

> Libertad wrote:General Ironicus of Let's Play fame predicted this back in July:

> > The thing that stands out to me about the gaming den is how they have agreed-upon names for everything they complain about, then list them off as if it's a discussion. They're less than a year from going full Darmok.

Best. Ninja. Ever.
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> FrankTrollman wrote:The Melee Fighter's contribution to the game is that Cleric gets to see less of the future and summon less angels. Seriously, that's his contribution. It's not harmless fun. It's showing up to restaurants without your wallet and expecting your friends to pay your way. For fun.

> K wrote:Rogue is a bad choice because the game can't handle a whole party that uses stealth or a whole party doing sneak attack.

> Kaelik wrote:...the party having even a chance of dying is bad, not good.

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Post by Libertad » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:09 pm

> Mr. GC wrote:
> Best. Ninja. Ever.

Ninja? Is this more Den-speak?
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Post by Maj » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:13 pm

> Wrathzog wrote:I figure that if I can maintain my composure here, I can be a cool guy anywhere.

This is so true. The Gaming Den is my vaccine against the Internet.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:13 pm

> Orion wrote:We all hate on 4chan and Something Awful for their deliberate perpetuation of memes and phrases taht render them unintelligible to outsiders, and the resulting groupthink.

We do? I personally hate 4chan and Something Awful (to a much, much lesser lesser extent) because certain subboards promote Internet harassment and push genuinely vile points of view.

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by erik » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:19 pm

> Wrathzog wrote:Also, I think it's hilarious how your point has been proven in like 30 minutes.
> High-fives, guys, all around.

It seemed like the thing to do, and I thought it was pretty funny too.
Really this thread ought reside in MPSIMS.
Every forum/community everywhere evolves its own language and behavior. Sometimes it draws people in, other times it keeps people out.
This problem was raised a few months ago where people were being unnecessarily rude to newcomers and I think things got better. I think even Kaelik mellowed some (not necessarily because of what people said, just my perception of correlation rather than causation).
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Post by echoVanguard » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:27 pm

> erik wrote:Really this thread ought reside in MPSIMS.

Concur.
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Post by Mr. GC » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:29 pm

> Libertad wrote:

> > Mr. GC wrote:
> > Best. Ninja. Ever.

> Ninja? Is this more Den-speak?

Last I checked ninja, meaning someone who posts while you are posting is a general forum term.

> FrankTrollman wrote:The Melee Fighter's contribution to the game is that Cleric gets to see less of the future and summon less angels. Seriously, that's his contribution. It's not harmless fun. It's showing up to restaurants without your wallet and expecting your friends to pay your way. For fun.

> K wrote:Rogue is a bad choice because the game can't handle a whole party that uses stealth or a whole party doing sneak attack.

> Kaelik wrote:...the party having even a chance of dying is bad, not good.

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Post by Orion » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:32 pm

Actually I'm talking less about Kaelik's brand of overt hostility than the stuff in the earth/magic thread. I assume people welcoming new posters with "your barrel just arrived, I hope you know what to do" mean no harm and are trying to be friendly, not aggressive, but the extended (and cryptic) cock tangents in every long thread make them incomprehensible to the unenlightened.
EDIT: This is my opinion. It is not mundane or pointless. Technically I could have put it in "about the den" but that would have required me to visit that forum.
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### Re: Time to put down that barrel of cocks.

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Post by Red_Rob » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:47 pm

> Orion wrote:barrel of cocks ... difficult to swallow.

I tried to take your post seriously, I really did...
Honestly, the barrel of cocks meme seems fairly easy to understand and direct. If anything, the extended gameplay metaphors are more confusing and difficult to trace back to their origin. We had a thread dedicated to explaining these a while back.
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Post by K » Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:01 am

> Libertad wrote:General Ironicus of Let's Play fame predicted this back in July:

> > The thing that stands out to me about the gaming den is how they have agreed-upon names for everything they complain about, then list them off as if it's a discussion. They're less than a year from going full Darmok.

I enjoy the insult, but he sounds like the kind of ignorant person who complains that doctors don't talk plainly enough and that laws should be one page long.
Specialized fields use specialized language that is often incomprehensible to people who are not familiar with it, and game design is a big enough hobby that it has formed specialized language across dozens of forums.
That being said, a lot of this can be found on Google in like ten seconds and anyone not willing to do that, or even just ask what terms mean, is a willfully ignorant person who should be mocked or ignored.
I also enjoy the irony of his insult using specialized language from Star Trek fandom to insult us for using specialized language.
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Post by Orion » Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:35 am

Yeah, what bothers me is less the wording and more the ritual. I struggle to read threads where entire pages get taken up with empty, pro-forming cock-barreling. It's one thing to watch people scream obsceenities in anger-- if there actual vendettas happening at least there'd be some drama. But I have no interest in reading post after post of hollow insults used only out of a tepid sense of obligation.
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Post by RobbyPants » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:31 am

I forgot I made this:
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Post by JigokuBosatsu » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:18 am

This put me in mind of the Dr. Dre song. "We got your motherfucking game publisher surrounded, put down the barrel of cocks and let Mister Cavern go..."

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Post by MGuy » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:51 am

> Lago PARANOIA wrote:

> > Orion wrote:We all hate on 4chan and Something Awful for their deliberate perpetuation of memes and phrases taht render them unintelligible to outsiders, and the resulting groupthink.

> We do? I personally hate 4chan and Something Awful (to a much, much lesser lesser extent) because certain subboards promote Internet harassment and push genuinely vile points of view.

Copy paste this for me except that I didn't know the board hated 4chan.
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Post by Orion » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:23 pm

It's the same thing. Developing their own secret languages is what makes it possible for them to motivate and rationalize their harassment campaigns. Dehumanization 101 is to drape yourself with arbitrary culturall markers of in-group status.
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Post by Mr. GC » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:34 pm

> Orion wrote:It's the same thing. Developing their own secret languages is what makes it possible for them to motivate and rationalize their harassment campaigns. Dehumanization 101 is to drape yourself with arbitrary culturall markers of in-group status.

Fellatio jokes aside, anyone that calls "suck a barrel of cocks" a secret language with an obtuse meaning is either named one of Shadzar/Stormbringer/Sacrosanct or is at least as stupid as they are.
It would be like calling praise the sun obscure. Everyone knows what those words mean even if they are not often used together and everyone knows what they mean together.
I understand what you're getting at but you're doing a very bad job of getting the point across. In fact... you blow at this job.

> FrankTrollman wrote:The Melee Fighter's contribution to the game is that Cleric gets to see less of the future and summon less angels. Seriously, that's his contribution. It's not harmless fun. It's showing up to restaurants without your wallet and expecting your friends to pay your way. For fun.

> K wrote:Rogue is a bad choice because the game can't handle a whole party that uses stealth or a whole party doing sneak attack.

> Kaelik wrote:...the party having even a chance of dying is bad, not good.

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Post by Seerow » Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:38 pm

> MGuy wrote:

> > Lago PARANOIA wrote:

> > > Orion wrote:We all hate on 4chan and Something Awful for their deliberate perpetuation of memes and phrases taht render them unintelligible to outsiders, and the resulting groupthink.

> > We do? I personally hate 4chan and Something Awful (to a much, much lesser lesser extent) because certain subboards promote Internet harassment and push genuinely vile points of view.

> Copy paste this for me except that I didn't know the board hated 4chan.

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Post by Dominicius » Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:11 pm

I actually prefer 4chan to SA simply due to the fact that website that relies on banning for revenue will never be fair to its users.
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Post by erik » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:13 pm

> Orion wrote:It's the same thing. Developing their own secret languages is what makes it possible for them to motivate and rationalize their harassment campaigns. Dehumanization 101 is to drape yourself with arbitrary culturall markers of in-group status.

Ugh. Jargon is not a secret language. It is specialized language. Specialized terms are necessary for discussing specialized topics. It is not dehumanizing to use jargon.
Your argument as flavored with a dash of hyperbole:
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