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### Give it to me straight: is fascism on the rise in Austria?

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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:06 pm

So, Jorg Haider died in a car accident involving himself. Serves him right.
Unfortunately, the article I read that in also points out that his death won't really stop the rise of movement he was the face of.
So give it to me without sugar; just how strong is this shaggy dog movement?
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Post by Username17 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:06 pm

30% at the polls.
Germany took the brunt of the anti-fascist movement, and Austria mostly got off free. Which is weird, because Hitler was from Austria and his Eagle's Nest castle is in Austria, not Germany. So a lot of ex-Nazis just went to Austria at the end of the war. For every Sound of Music story of heroism from that god-benighted country there's two stories of sick fascist fuckers who were the reason that they had to flee in the first place.
That being said, there's a couple of bright sides to look on. The first is that the Christian Democrats who are losing votes to the Nazis were never that different. The fact that they are currently getting pounded by the Nazis is forcing them to differentiate themselves more because the overt Nazis are monopolizing the crazy racist vote. So the Christian Democrats are joining up with the Liberals to form a coalition. In many ways the rise of an overt Nazi party is forcing the "center right" party to abandon fascist pandering as a side job.
The second is more long term. It turns out that the Austrian Fascists have as part of their explicit plan the total removal of Austria from the EU. That would be disastrous, and really piss off Deutschland! Holy shit would that be a bad move. Closed borders with Germany, Italy, Hungary, and the Czech Republic? Are they nuts? (answer: yes) So if they were to actually force a referendum there and get their things settled out they would almost instantaneously nose dive the economy of Austria and provoke Germany to a near war footing while doing it. So even if they won, their victory would be bitter and short lived.
But yeah, the polarization of the Fascist leanings of the Austrian people is coming to a head. Almost one person in three who votes is casting their vote for death camps. And Austrian police are cracking down on sex slavery, because it's an actual (and not unrelated) problem over there.
There is a not imperceptible chance that things will get bad enough there in the next five years that German troops will have to invade. But those guys are clowns, and it would go down kind of like back handing Serbia.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:44 pm

> In many ways the rise of an overt Nazi party is forcing the "center right" party to abandon fascist pandering as a side job.

*looks at Republican party, sighs*
One day... hopefully the next election.

> The second is more long term. It turns out that the Austrian Fascists have as part of their explicit plan the total removal of Austria from the EU.

You've gotta be kidding me! Have they lost their goddamn minds? That would be like Wyoming declaring itself independent of the US and putting a totalitarian party into office. I mean, what the fuck... that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
I mean, even if there was NO economic or military or political retaliation whatsoever from the rest of the EU, this would fuck things up so bad that there would be constant riots. What the hell do they stand to gain from this?
Jesus Christ I need to start paying more attention as to what's going on over there. That's completely ludricous.

> But yeah, the polarization of the Fascist leanings of the Austrian people is coming to a head. Almost one person in three who votes is casting their vote for death camps. And Austrian police are cracking down on sex slavery, because it's an actual (and not unrelated) problem over there.

Please go into more detail. If the two problems are that related (rise of fascism and human trafficking), you'd think that the EU or at least Austria would move a lot more swiftly to crush both, using the destruction of one to justify the elimination of the other.

> There is a not imperceptible chance that things will get bad enough there in the next five years that German troops will have to invade. But those guys are clowns, and it would go down kind of like back handing Serbia.

That would be pretty damn horrible. Look what happened to Iraq.
From wikipedia:
Germany: Active personnel 250,000
Austria: Active personnel 31,000 Reserve personnel 24,000
What are they thinking? lol Nazis
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Post by Username17 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:25 pm

> Lago wrote:You've gotta be kidding me! Have they lost their goddamn minds? That would be like Wyoming declaring itself independent of the US and putting a totalitarian party into office. I mean, what the fuck... that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
> I mean, even if there was NO economic or military or political retaliation whatsoever from the rest of the EU, this would fuck things up so bad that there would be constant riots. What the hell do they stand to gain from this?

Closing the border and keeping all the immigrants out. They say that if Europe will allow non-Chrstian nations in, that they don't want to be part of Europe. And if they have to build a wall between themselves and Germany and Italy to keep Turks and Gypsies from crossing the border freely that they are willing to do that.
It won't go well of course. When the EU back handed Austria with economic sanctions in 2000 for trying anti-Turk bullshit when the Nazis pulled down 27 percent it damn near crippled the nation and brought them whimpering to the negotiating table. Do you honestly think that the Nazis can pull some crazy stunts to overcome that with their current pull of 29 percent? Hell no!

> Please go into more detail. If the two problems are that related (rise of fascism and human trafficking), you'd think that the EU or at least Austria would move a lot more swiftly to crush both, using the destruction of one to justify the elimination of the other.

There's the usual racism + slavery connections of course. Anti-immigrant groups come down on immigrants who demand fair work compensation more than anything. But the really weird thing is where it turns out that a bunch of Austrians are keeping other Austrians as prisoners in sex dungeons. And yeah, it is the authoritarians who are doing it (duh).
The crime blotter out of Austria is frankly bizarre and kind of horrifying. The country is tearing itself apart and there will be a reckoning. All over Europe people are grumbling about Austria. They're treating the country like a dog that won't stop barking. So far people have tried telling them to knock off all the crazy, but there is growing impatience with their behavior.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:33 pm

> The crime blotter out of Austria is frankly bizarre and kind of horrifying. The country is tearing itself apart and there will be a reckoning. All over Europe people are grumbling about Austria. They're treating the country like a dog that won't stop barking. So far people have tried telling them to knock off all the crazy, but there is growing impatience with their behavior.

Well, what about the other political factions in Austria? What are they up to? Surely they're not going to let this bullshit stand.

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Post by Bigode » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:54 pm

> FrankTrollman wrote:Closing the border and keeping all the immigrants out. They say that if Europe will allow non-Chrstian nations in, that they don't want to be part of Europe. And if they have to build a wall between themselves and Germany and Italy to keep Turks and Gypsies from crossing the border freely that they are willing to do that.

On Muslim in general, while it might not be practical, aren't decent reasons for it, BTW (read: people supposedly aggressively trying to take religious ground on Europe)?

> FrankTrollman wrote:But the really weird thing is where it turns out that a bunch of Austrians are keeping other Austrians as prisoners in sex dungeons. And yeah, it is the authoritarians who are doing it (duh).

One might say a Kampusch (Czech?) "isn't really Austrian", but that sure doesn't explain the Fritzl, I know.

> FrankTrollman wrote:The crime blotter out of Austria is frankly bizarre and kind of horrifying.

Is there anything particularly Austrian or Nazist about this? Well, a liking for flammenwerfen of course, but that might exist elsewhere as well ....

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Post by Absentminded_Wizard » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:29 am

> Frank wrote:But the really weird thing is where it turns out that a bunch of Austrians are keeping other Austrians as prisoners in sex dungeons.

So the guy who locked up his daughter isn't an aberration? Scary.

> Biogode wrote:On Muslim in general, while it might not be practical, aren't decent reasons for it, BTW (read: people supposedly aggressively trying to take religious ground on Europe)?

It's true that a lot of European countries have extremely well-developed radical Islamic communities. However, a lot of that has to do with the way European nations have treated their Muslim immigrants. For example, Germany's had a "guest program" for Turks for years. The problem is that the program allows the Turkish immigrants to stay and raise children, but without the possiblility of citizenship for either them or their children. Similarly, France allows anybody from their former colonies among Islamic countries to immigrate but consigns them to permanent second-class status (though I'm not sure how much of this is de jure and how much is due to cultural factors). These kinds of conditions make radical Islam much more appealing to those immigrant communities.
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Post by Cynic » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:34 pm

the strange part is that the People's party and the freedom party were together twice and now the People's party is with the democrats.
so what's with the people's party. You've already pointed out that the christian democrats aren't all that great but what about the people's party?
edit: i'm confused, are you talking about the christian democrats as the people's party? I know that the german's have a similar party but is that the same with the Austrians. As far as I can see the three main parties right now are Austrian people's party, SOcial democrats, and freedom party (haider's party) I thought you were talking about the Social democrats, Frank, but looking at the APP's bio, they seem more like the German christian democratic union or whatever they call themselves these days.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:19 pm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 996937.ece
Far-right Austrian leader sacked for revealing gay affair with Jörg Haider
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Apparently conservative homophobe is the new camp gay. But conservapedia's most popular articles revolve around the topic so we already knew that.
I'm going to die! I'm going to fucking die! Oh this is rich, this is just too rich! I can't see straight, I'm laughing so hard and oh crap BRB puked on my keyboard hahahahaha
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:26 pm

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2 ... tereotype/

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by Cynic » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:50 am

Wait, he drove to a gay club to have a couple of drinks with a couple of escorts before dying. That's awesome in that he must just have had it in for his party.
it doesn't look like petner was sacked. he's just been given a lower position ~_~.

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Post by Koumei » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:22 am

> A_Cynic wrote: it doesn't look like petner was sacked. he's just been given a lower position ~_~.

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Post by Draco_Argentum » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:26 am

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Post by Bigode » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:00 pm

> Nazi wrote:I often was afraid to be alone in the dark,

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Post by Cynic » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:06 pm

I think this brings to mind the great lines from that great play. "Springtime for Hitler" Unfortunately, it's entire text has been lost to us all.
I shall leave you with a few lines from one of it's inspiring chorus numbers.
"springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay!"
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