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### The fall of civilization is nigh!

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Post by Crissa » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:22 pm

Or so says 'journalist' Michael Novak

> The point of monogamous family networks is to treat male and female with complementary and mutually cooperative dignity and to tie the power of sexuality (male, especially) to self-sacrificing communities of love.

This shows my feelings on the issue.
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Post by Count Arioch the 28th » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:54 pm

umm.. yeah.
Our civilization isn't falling because of the fact that companies have been making things with money they don't have, while people have been buying things with money they also don't have, the vast inefficiencies of our economy in general, and the fact that it's now legal to not hire someone if they're poor, it's due to some sort of superstition that borders on witchcraft.
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Post by Josh_Kablack » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:57 pm

Not that I don't sympathize...
...It's just that I fail to see why what Novak say is relevant.
Further, I fail to see that there is any solution for dealing with that sort of crazy that falls short of periodic militant fascistic ideological purges.
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Post by Absentminded_Wizard » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:26 am

Is it a news flash that crazy conservatives think that Obama's inauguration marks the downfall of America?

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Post by Judging__Eagle » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:55 pm

> Absentminded_Wizard wrote:Is it a news flash that crazy conservatives think that Obama's inauguration marks the downfall of America?

Except that his election and inauguration didn't come before a tanking of the US dollar. Which happened at the start of Bush's second term in office. I've always thought that was hilarious.
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Post by ckafrica » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:55 pm

Well in all fairness, much of the problems we are now facing were set in motion by the Clinton whitehouse, and it just came home to roost in Bush's. Whch is not to say that Bush didn't want and allow it to come to being, but this current crisis is not the exclusive child of Bush.
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Post by Crissa » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:09 am

No one noticed the open and blatant practicing of patriarchy?
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Post by Cielingcat » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:11 am

I actually seriously did not notice the words "male, especially" the first time I read it. I think I was subconsciously ignoring them.
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Post by Bigode » Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:57 am

> Crissa wrote:No one noticed the open and blatant practicing of patriarchy?

I didn't think it might need pointing.

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Post by Username17 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:29 am

What is it about these guys and flipping out every time something might be Pagan?
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Post by Crissa » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:15 am

I was watching a tv show on the history of atheism tonight, and seeing them reading the laws being bantered about, written and passed, in London at the time of our country's founding seriously pisses me off. It was seriously an instant death sentence - no court, no stop in jail - for espousing atheism in England at the time.
In context, there's no way the founding fathers of the US meant for it to be a 'Christian Nation' like these guys said, or to benefit only males, or even for slavery to stand in the long haul.
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Post by Username17 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:43 am

The thing that really gets me is that these guys are flipping out because Obama is getting rid of onerous restrictions on abortions. They flap their arms about how Clinton didn't "compromise" with them in bringing abortions down. The Clinton years brought down abortions by 11%! You know what country has less than half the per-capita abortions of the United States? Holland.
Being open and honest about the difficulties and costs and options of various sex and pregnancy related options brings the abortion rate down, because less people need abortions. When a 14 year old girl is 2 months pregnant and sick, it's way too late to try fear tactics - she's already afraid. If you want there to be less abortions, just hand out condoms and real information to girls and boys long before they get into these situations.
The fact of the matter is that "Pro-Life" policies increase the number of abortions, while "Pro-Choice" policies decrease the number of abortions. The most "Pro-Life" nation on Earth (Philippines) has 27 abortions per thousand inhabitants, while the most "Pro Choice" countries (generally those in Western Europe) hover around 2 abortions per thousand inhabitants. Countries in the middle like the United States have numbers somewhere in the middle - the US has about 4 abortions per 1000.
If you were actually opposed to abortion, and not merely to women's rights in general - you'd be Pro Choice. This isn't contentious data or anything, it's very very well known. The people who suggest fighting abortion as if it were a crime know full well that such behavior will actually increase the total number of abortions. They are declaring a war they can't and won't win or end - an effort designed to keep them "needed" and dare I say it funded until the end of time.
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Post by Count Arioch the 28th » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:35 pm

> Crissa wrote:No one noticed the open and blatant practicing of patriarchy?
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Noticed, but it's not atypical for people with batshit crazy religious beliefs to also be patriarchal.
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Post by Absentminded_Wizard » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:06 pm

> FrankTrollman wrote:What is it about these guys and flipping out every time something might be Pagan?
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And yet having no problem with Christmas trees or Yule logs.
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Post by Absentminded_Wizard » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:31 pm

> Crissa wrote:No one noticed the open and blatant practicing of patriarchy?

I'll raise you even more blatant practice of patriarchy by Dick Armey
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