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Post by CatharzGodfoot » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:44 pm

I find it interesting that the USA would be considered more 'economically free' if we had nationalized full-coverage heath care and then allowed private health insurers to to pretty much whatever the fuck they want.
I guess the GOP fucked up in just about ever conceivable way on that one.
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Post by tzor » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:44 pm

> angelfromanotherpin wrote:Tzor, this is the non-political thread.

I thought ECONOMICS wasn't political.
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Post by CatharzGodfoot » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:45 pm

> tzor wrote:

> > angelfromanotherpin wrote:Tzor, this is the non-political thread.

> I thought ECONOMICS wasn't political.

Nobody has ever accused an economic policy of being politically motivated!
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Post by Data Vampire » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:01 am

Fox shoots hunter.
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Post by Koumei » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:05 am

> Data Vampire wrote:Fox shoots hunter.

In Soviet Russia, fox shoots you!

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Post by Cynic » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:50 am

Body piercing usually makes me cringe at the thought of having it actually done. I have no personal experience but it still makes me cringe.

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Post by tzor » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:36 pm

> Soy: A Source of Aggression wrote:But here is some important research the mainstream media will never report. In a 2004 study, researchers used Syrian hamsters to determine the effect of a soy-based diet on aggressiveness. They found that the animals fed the soy-based diet became more aggressive and had higher testosterone levels compared to animals fed a soy-free diet.
> Another study found that rats fed a soy-based diet were less sociable than rats on soy-free diets. Researchers also found that the soy-fed rats tolerated stress less well, and were more anxious than their soy-free counterparts. The soy-fed rats also produced significantly more cortisol with stress; excess cortisol damages the hippocampus — the part of the brain concerned with memory, learning, and behavior.
> In 2004, Neal Simon, a professor of behavioral neuroscience, and his co-workers tested a long-term, soy-based diet (including high- and medium-dose soy protein isolates) against a soy-free diet in monkeys. After 15 months on the respective diets, the soy-fed monkeys were significantly more aggressive and tended to be antisocial. There was no increase in testosterone levels.

This explains (nearly) everything!
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Post by CatharzGodfoot » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:29 pm

> tzor wrote:

> > Soy: A Source of Aggression wrote:But here is some important research the mainstream media will never report. In a 2004 study, researchers used Syrian hamsters to determine the effect of a soy-based diet on aggressiveness. They found that the animals fed the soy-based diet became more aggressive and had higher testosterone levels compared to animals fed a soy-free diet.
> > Another study found that rats fed a soy-based diet were less sociable than rats on soy-free diets. Researchers also found that the soy-fed rats tolerated stress less well, and were more anxious than their soy-free counterparts. The soy-fed rats also produced significantly more cortisol with stress; excess cortisol damages the hippocampus — the part of the brain concerned with memory, learning, and behavior.
> > In 2004, Neal Simon, a professor of behavioral neuroscience, and his co-workers tested a long-term, soy-based diet (including high- and medium-dose soy protein isolates) against a soy-free diet in monkeys. After 15 months on the respective diets, the soy-fed monkeys were significantly more aggressive and tended to be antisocial. There was no increase in testosterone levels.

> This explains (nearly) everything!

[sarcasm] You mean, for example, why the Japanese and Koreans are so damn' hateful? [/sarcasm]
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Post by tzor » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:41 pm

> CatharzGodfoot wrote:[sarcasm] You mean, for example, why the Japanese and Koreans are so damn' hateful? [/sarcasm]

I'll try to look it up, I know I read this somwhere, but basically speaking the oriental way to use soy is to ferment the shit out of it. That fermentation process breaks down a lot of the complex chemicals and hormones within the soy. So soy sauce is not the same as pure soy. Likewise Tofu is broken down in the cheese process through enzymes.
The problem is with soy milk and especially soy flower that does not have either the fermentation or the enzyme processes used on them. Thus they have the more complex chemicals still within them. Used in large quantities (and really even tofu is not a major part of the diet) health risks can develop.
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Post by Neeeek » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:51 pm

> tzor wrote: I'll try to look it up, I know I read this somwhere, but basically speaking the oriental way to use soy is to ferment the shit out of it.

Um...soy beans are a very common food in Japan.
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Post by CatharzGodfoot » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:42 pm

> tzor wrote:

> > CatharzGodfoot wrote:[sarcasm] You mean, for example, why the Japanese and Koreans are so damn' hateful? [/sarcasm]

> I'll try to look it up, I know I read this somwhere, but basically speaking the oriental way to use soy is to ferment the shit out of it. That fermentation process breaks down a lot of the complex chemicals and hormones within the soy. So soy sauce is not the same as pure soy. Likewise Tofu is broken down in the cheese process through enzymes.
> The problem is with soy milk and especially soy flower that does not have either the fermentation or the enzyme processes used on them. Thus they have the more complex chemicals still within them. Used in large quantities (and really even tofu is not a major part of the diet) health risks can develop.

So you're seriously suggesting that people who drink soy milk are more aggressive?
My guess is that the monkeys were just pissed that they weren't getting to eat meat; I would be too.
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Post by tzor » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:15 pm

> Neeeek wrote:Um...soy beans are a very common food in Japan.

Here is a good explanation of it. There is a lot of confusion when you say the word "soy" as to what is the exact common part.

> In the U.S., the soybean industry is filling our shelves with soy derivatives such as soy flour, textured soy protein, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, and soy protein isolate — none of which were part of the traditional Japanese diet. They are found in soy cheese, milk, margarine, vegetable oils, burgers and hot dogs, baby formula, and flour, to name just a few. These soy derivatives have become a major (often-unrecognized) ingredient in fast foods and prepackaged frozen meals. They should not be confused with the natural and fermented soy components of the traditional Japanese diet.

> The traditional Japanese diet had, through centuries of trial and error, found ways to use soybeans in a healthy manner. They did not eat whole soybeans or soy protein isolate. They mainly ate fermented soy products. The fermentation process deactivates both trypsin inhibitors and hemagglutinin, while regular cooking does not. Soy was, in fact, only one component of a diet that included food rich with minerals, vitamins, and other essential nutrients.

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Post by Count Arioch the 28th » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:59 pm

I am directly descended from 2 WWII vets, am related to several more, and know a couple Filipinos and Chinese people that remember Japanese occupation. The Japanese ARE a hateful people, they just aren't hateful to each other.
EDIT: Also, soy gives me massive diarrhea. I'm not saying that for comedic value, I have a soy intolerance.
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Post by Daiba » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:05 pm

> tzor wrote:

> > The traditional Japanese diet had, through centuries of trial and error, found ways to use soybeans in a healthy manner. They did not eat whole soybeans or soy protein isolate. They mainly ate fermented soy products. The fermentation process deactivates both trypsin inhibitors and hemagglutinin, while regular cooking does not. Soy was, in fact, only one component of a diet that included food rich with minerals, vitamins, and other essential nutrients.

What? Are you shitting me?
Commonly consumed whole, unprocessed soybeans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edamame
Also, real soy milk isn't fermented either, nor is tofu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_milk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu#Production
Fermented soy products are typically the exception rather than the norm. Mostly, I think, because fermentation makes soy smell like rotting garbage. When we were in HK, my friend was reduced to dry heaves by the smell of stinky tofu being fried up in nearby street stalls.
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Post by Neeeek » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:10 pm

> tzor wrote:

> > Neeeek wrote:Um...soy beans are a very common food in Japan.

> Here is a good explanation of it. There is a lot of confusion when you say the word "soy" as to what is the exact common part.

No, I meant what I said. There was no confusion. Boiled soy beans are a commonly eaten food.
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Post by tzor » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:12 pm

> Neeeek wrote:No, I meant what I said. There was no confusion. Boiled soy beans are a commonly eaten food.

All the references I have seen to edamame indicate that it is a common "snack" not a main course. Now there are places in Japan that do use enamame as a main course ... of course it is a different variety of soybean.

> Very little is known of the early history of fresh green soybeans or of large-seeded vegetable-type soybeans in Japan. The botanist Nagai (1922 Ref??) reported that the soybeans in northern Japan were larger seeded than those in the south. Nagata (1960; see Chapter 3) seems to demonstrate that large-seeded vegetable-type soybeans differ from other soybeans in that they came to Japan via northern pathway of dissemination from northern China, they grow mostly in northern Japan, and they are a short season crop with a relatively thin seed coat. Hymowitz et al. (1971) have shown that large-seeded beans have a different seed protein electrophoretic banding pattern from small-seeded ones.

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Post by Data Vampire » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:14 pm

Canada screws internet customers hard, Now squeal like a pig!
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Post by Meikle641 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:54 pm

> Data Vampire wrote:Canada screws internet customers hard, Now squeal like a pig!

Fuck, so it comes into play on March 1st. Gonna have to ask my ISP some questions... Fuuuuuuuck.
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Post by CatharzGodfoot » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:47 am

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Post by Juton » Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:14 am

> Meikle641 wrote:

> > Data Vampire wrote:Canada screws internet customers hard, Now squeal like a pig!

> Fuck, so it comes into play on March 1st. Gonna have to ask my ISP some questions... Fuuuuuuuck.

I believe the PM has recommended the CRTC reverse this decision. Thats something to be hopeful about, I guess.
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Post by tzor » Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:19 pm

Hopefully this is "non political." (With some people you never know.)
Fluoridation: The scam of the century

> Dr. Phyllis Mullenix proved that fluoride had an adverse effect on the brain. As a result she was told that her work "was no longer relevant to dentistry" and fired. Peer-reviewed studies showing adverse effects on the thyroid gland were ignored as were studies linking fluoride to damage of the pineal gland. The pineal gland is located between the two hemispheres of the brain and is responsible for the synthesis and secretion of melatonin. Melatonin affects jet lag, sleep patterns and aging and by the time old age hits, the accumulation of fluoride in the pineal gland is in very high concentrations.
> But wait, there's more. There is also a profound connection between fluoride and bone damage. With symptoms almost identical to arthritis beginning with aching bones and joints. But the best cover-up had to come out of Harvard University. Elise Bassin, as part of her 2001 doctoral thesis for her dental degree, found a connection between fluoride and bone cancer in adolescent boys. When she submitted her finding to Dr. Chester Douglas, the head of Harvard's Dental School, he omitted that finding when releasing her thesis. Why would he do this? Maybe the fact that he was on the payroll of the Colgate-Palmolive Company had something to do with it. Somehow, years later, Bassin's finding were found and released causing Harvard to do a complete investigation on Dr. Douglas. During the investigation Dr. Douglas made a $2 million donation to Harvard and was eventually exonerated.
> One other finding was an adverse effect on the kidneys. It was found that fluoride can damage the kidneys at high levels and that someone with poor kidney function would have limitations clearing fluoride from the body making that person especially vulnerable to fluoride's other toxic effects.

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Post by sabs » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:04 pm

This is why when my Pediatrician gave my kids fluoride vitamins, I told him to go to hell and never game them to my kid.
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Post by Username17 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:26 pm

Holy shit, we aren't actually getting news from "natural news" are we? You know that they are a bin full of lunatics, right? Also on the same day, they have an Anti-Vax tirade and a fear piece on analgesics.
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Post by A Hammer » Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:45 pm

"You know when fluoridation first began? Nineteen hundred and forty-six. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works."
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Post by CatharzGodfoot » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:25 pm

> A Hammer wrote:
> "You know when fluoridation first began? Nineteen hundred and forty-six. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works."

Well said.
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