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Post by Orion » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:22 pm

Well, JE is right that it's not a show about science of technology. It is in fact just a show "set in space."
The comparison to Star Wars is sort of inappropriate because Star Wars is a space *fantasy* which is actively anti-scientific, being about magic and god-kings and shit, whereas Firefly is more of a space western/space thriller which is supposed to be about the characters and the action.
To the extent that anything in Firefly makes you think, it's about politics and history and how states legitimize themselves, though I'll admit it's not a very *deep* look at those issues by any means.
It's mostly just there for the snappy dialog.
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Post by K » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:50 am

I think Whedon's biggest mistake is not understanding that space-whores have to be blue and religious or blue and insane (Farscape anyone?).
That, and the fact that Buffy and Angel work due to wild creativity of setting, and his other stuff fails because he's not a subtle guy capable of doing subtle themes. Firefly could have worked if the pilot had been the Firefly movie and all proceeding episodes had been about aliens and space demons and alternate universes and exotic technology.
And blue space-whores. Seriously.
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Post by Maxus » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:03 am

Fantasy? Not sure.
Science-fiction is pretty much fantasy. With electricity and bolts. And a big need to explain How It Works.
In any case, I wouldn't call fantasy 'anti-scientific'. I got interested in looking up a lot of stuff as a kid, as a direct result of coming across mentions in fantasy books.
Edit: Besides, sometimes you get lucky and find a reference to Newton's Laws and other scientific tidbits that that characters use. A good fantasy story/setting doesn't completely bullshit it.
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Post by Orion » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:30 am

The grammatical referent in my post is ambiguous, but I wasn't saying that fantasy is anti-science (though it often is), but that Star Wars is.
Seriously, the moral of the first movie was to throw away technology and basic human reason in the name of mysticism and destiny.
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