# The Gaming Den

Welcome to the Gaming Den.

Skip to content

## 4E Incompetency: The Yogi Hat Ranger

General questions, debates, and rants about RPGs

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply

- Print view

45 posts

- Previous
- 1
- 2

Psychic Robot
  Prince
  Posts: 4607
  Joined: Sat May 03, 2008 10:47 pm

###

- Quote

Post by Psychic Robot » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:21 pm

Roy, here is a link to fail in action. It's actually pretty boring right now. Any suggestions on how to spice it up?

> Count Arioch wrote:I'm not sure how discussions on whether PR is a terrible person or not is on-topic.

> Ant wrote:

> > Chamomile wrote:Ant, what do we do about Psychic Robot?

> You do not seem to do anything.

Top

Username17
  Serious Badass
  Posts: 29894
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

###

- Quote

Post by Username17 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:52 pm

> Psychic Robot wrote:Roy, here is a link to fail in action. It's actually pretty boring right now. Any suggestions on how to spice it up?

It's just a lame conversation honestly. People ranting about how the combo doesn't work because it shouldn't work. When honestly it's not een a combo. It's just a straight immunity to death, damage, and incapacitating status effects. But what's really sad is that the people ranting don't even know how 4e targeting rules work.

> Shue wrote:This is fairly easily circumvented.
> Target scorching burst (or any AOE effect) one square away from the ranger. HE'S not targetted.
> Boom, he gets hit. Once he's at zero, finish him and his little dog, too.

> Scorching Burst wrote:Target: Each creature in burst

Sigh.
-Username17
Top

Panzeh
  NPC
  Posts: 3
  Joined: Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:52 am

###

- Quote

Post by Panzeh » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:55 pm

20+ play isn't much better in 4e than in 3.x.
Top

Roy
  Prince
  Posts: 2772
  Joined: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:53 pm

###

- Quote

Post by Roy » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:57 pm

> Psychic Robot wrote:Roy, here is a link to fail in action. It's actually pretty boring right now. Any suggestions on how to spice it up?

First, you need the Yogi Hat pic. Illustrations are key.
Top

Absentminded_Wizard
  Duke
  Posts: 1122
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm
  Location: Ohio
  Contact:
  Contact Absentminded_Wizard
  Website

###

- Quote

Post by Absentminded_Wizard » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:57 pm

There was one guy who pointed out that you could use forced movement effects to separate the two regardless of Fused Fate. He was the only one who had a legitimate point.

> Doom314's satirical 4e power wrote:Complete AnnihilationWar-metawarrior 1
> An awesome bolt of multicolored light fires from your eyes and strikes your foe, disintegrating him into a fine dust in a nonmagical way.
> At-will: Martial, Weapon
> Standard Action Melee Weapon ("sword", range 10/20)
> Target: One Creature
> Attack: Con vs AC
> Hit: [W] + Con, and the target is slowed.

Top

RandomCasualty2
  Prince
  Posts: 3295
  Joined: Sun May 25, 2008 4:22 pm

###

- Quote

Post by RandomCasualty2 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:05 pm

> Panzeh wrote:20+ play isn't much better in 4e than in 3.x.

Yeah, it's really not. Only the combos go in different ways. In 3.x it was way too easy to kill shit to the point that everything is some ridiculous death combo.
In 4E, it's all about being immortal. Even something as basic as demigod regeneration + stoneskin makes you basically immortal unless you're vastly outmatched.
Then again, a battlerager can do that at a lower level.
Top

MartinHarper
  Knight-Baron
  Posts: 703
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

###

- Quote

Post by MartinHarper » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:18 am

I like the poster claiming "damage is not an effect" by referencing PHB p55 and p276, which say the exact opposite. Page 55 says "A power that deals acid damage is an acid effect", and page 276 has the line about "When you hit, you usually deal damage and sometimes produce some other effect".
Top

CatharzGodfoot
  King
  Posts: 5668
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm
  Location: North Carolina

###

- Quote

Post by CatharzGodfoot » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:04 am

> Absentminded_Wizard wrote:There was one guy who pointed out that you could use forced movement effects to separate the two regardless of Fused Fate. He was the only one who had a legitimate point.

Can't you share effects with your animal companion?
The law in its majestic equality forbids the rich as well as the poor from stealing bread, begging and sleeping under bridges.
-Anatole France
Mount Flamethrower on rear
Drive in reverse
Win Game.
-Josh Kablack
Top

Absentminded_Wizard
  Duke
  Posts: 1122
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm
  Location: Ohio
  Contact:
  Contact Absentminded_Wizard
  Website

###

- Quote

Post by Absentminded_Wizard » Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:47 am

You're right. I missed the fact that you can split up the movement and make it in the same direction for both parties.
Top

Username17
  Serious Badass
  Posts: 29894
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

###

- Quote

Post by Username17 » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:29 am

> Absentminded_Wizard wrote:You're right. I missed the fact that you can split up the movement and make it in the same direction for both parties.

But if you can throw an attack at him that provides 20 squares of forced movement and enough damage to drop the Ranger simultaneously then you can be confident that he'll put all the movement on Yogi rather than drop himself. And then if you subsequently do enough damage to drop him before he uses the recalling harness on his next action then he'll go down. Which is as close to impossible as anything in 4e D&D.
The only way to stop him in any practical fashion is to put up something that blocks line of sight that doesn't target either one. Wall of Fog is actually a good start. Because while the Ranger can share the fog's effect of granting concealment, he is momentarily kind of vulnerable (except for the part where he has fucking concealment and his window of vulnerability only lasts until the beginning of his next action when he will shift out of his predicament.
Seriously, the Ranger has a response that will almost certainly work to every single attack in the game. The only thing he really fears is complete darkness, and he's 30th level so he can get around that.
-Username17
Top

Orion
  Prince
  Posts: 3756
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

###

- Quote

Post by Orion » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:38 am

I'm fairly sure 20th level D&D casters could also be immortal if they felt like it. It did take more work though.
Top

MartinHarper
  Knight-Baron
  Posts: 703
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

###

- Quote

Post by MartinHarper » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:25 am

It's worse than that: Recalling Harness is an immediate interrupt. As soon as the ranger becomes bloodied for the first time in an encounter, he can resummon his pet, even if his pet is being hurled through hell.

> CatharzGodfoot wrote:Can't you share effects with your animal companion?

The effect is "slide target X squares" - I don't see any indication that if that effect is shared, both targets have to be slid in the same direction. If you look at other multi-target slide effects, folks don't have to be moved in the same direction (and, in general, they cannot be, as they might be in different starting squares).
Top

Josh_Kablack
  King
  Posts: 5317
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm
  Location: Online. duh

###

- Quote

Post by Josh_Kablack » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:01 pm

> But you know, there's um... stuff you can do. It's just... really hard.

Hope Ranger Rick never has to fight any Drow.
"But transportation issues are social-justice issues. The toll of bad transit policies and worse infrastructure—trains and buses that don’t run well and badly serve low-income neighborhoods, vehicular traffic that pollutes the environment and endangers the lives of cyclists and pedestrians—is borne disproportionately by black and brown communities."
Top

Crissa
  King
  Posts: 6720
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm
  Location: Santa Cruz

###

- Quote

Post by Crissa » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:25 pm

The only thing he fears is the dark? O-o
Who's afraid of the dark?
-Crissa
Top

CatharzGodfoot
  King
  Posts: 5668
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm
  Location: North Carolina

###

- Quote

Post by CatharzGodfoot » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:07 pm

> Crissa wrote:The only thing he fears is the dark? O-o
> Who's afraid of the dark?
> -Crissa

It completely blocks LoS, and hence immortality.
The law in its majestic equality forbids the rich as well as the poor from stealing bread, begging and sleeping under bridges.
-Anatole France
Mount Flamethrower on rear
Drive in reverse
Win Game.
-Josh Kablack
Top

MartinHarper
  Knight-Baron
  Posts: 703
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

###

- Quote

Post by MartinHarper » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:24 pm

> CatharzGodfoot wrote:It completely blocks LoS, and hence immortality.

Goggles of Night, level 14 head slot item: gain permanent darkvision.
Top

cthulhu
  Duke
  Posts: 2162
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

###

- Quote

Post by cthulhu » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:58 pm

hence the if he's level 30 he can get around that remark me thinks. But it does mean a darksight item is mandatory.
Top

Caedrus
  Knight-Baron
  Posts: 728
  Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:54 pm

###

- Quote

Post by Caedrus » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:35 am

Was there a point to that?
Top

IGTN
  Knight-Baron
  Posts: 729
  Joined: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:13 am

###

- Quote

Post by IGTN » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:39 am

> Caedrus wrote:Was there a point to that?

You mean the Frantic post? No. Put him on your ignore list; we're discussing this over here.
"No, you can't burn the inn down. It's made of solid fire."
Top

Psychic Robot
  Prince
  Posts: 4607
  Joined: Sat May 03, 2008 10:47 pm

###

- Quote

Post by Psychic Robot » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:42 am

I didn't realize it was porn at first.

> Count Arioch wrote:I'm not sure how discussions on whether PR is a terrible person or not is on-topic.

> Ant wrote:

> > Chamomile wrote:Ant, what do we do about Psychic Robot?

> You do not seem to do anything.

Top
Post Reply

- Print view

Display:
Sort by:
Direction:

45 posts

- Previous
- 1
- 2

Return to “In My Humble Opinion...”

Jump to

- Main
- ↳ About the Gaming Den
- ↳ In My Humble Opinion...
- ↳ I Gave the Mouse a Cookie...
- ↳ In The Trenches
- ↳ It's My Own Invention...
- ↳ MPSIMS