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Post by name_here » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:59 pm

It is most definitely not an appropriate shirt to wear to a press conference.

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Post by Maj » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:53 pm

> name_here wrote:It is most definitely not an appropriate shirt to wear to a press conference.

Exactly this. I'm actually willing to go so far as to say that - regardless of the print on the shirt - a Hawaiian shirt is inappropriate for a press conference.
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Post by DSMatticus » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:43 pm

> Cynic wrote:I don't even think it has to do just with the professional environment.
> If you get up in the morning and decide to parade around with clothing that can potential hurt large groups of people that you might actively come across in the day, I think it behooves you to ask yourself the question "Should I be doing this? Is it worth it?"

Alright, time to stop you right there. You do not actually get to label expressions of sexuality as harmful because they might be offensive. This is exactly the line you need to learn to not cross. There is no right to not be offended outside of very narrow contexts where interactions are in some way less voluntarily than would otherwise be expected.
Slut-shaming is not okay. Telling women that expressing their sexuality makes them subhuman or complicit in their own victimization is absolutely disgusting. Similarly, SlutWalks are awesome; representatives of the government of Canada said and did some things which told women they were partly responsible for their own rapes by having the audacity to be openly sexual (by doing such horribly taboo things as flirting and kissing), and a bunch of women took to the streets in provocative clothing as a form of protest. The moral is very clear: your sexuality is your's and however you choose to express it you still deserve dignity and the protection of the law.
Now, straight men have basically never had this problem. If you are old enough to drink in the United States, then you are in fact old enough to have been born when it was still legal to rape your wife in certain states. If anything, men's sexual rights have and still do vastly exceed what is appropriate. But in the end they still have the same fundamental rights as women! You cannot tell Matt Taylor to be ashamed of the fact that he thinks the women on that shirt are attractive, and you cannot tell Matt Taylor it is inappropriate of him to express himself at all. Those are the lines you cannot cross, because at that point you have stopped defending women and started shaming men.
Clickbait pop-feminism is a genuine fucking tragedy. A bunch of bloggers entirely without noteworthy credentials have assumed the public face of feminism and they are dragging it into a bunch of completely bullshit fights that they are only managing to win because of the brand they're wearing. But it's fucking hurting the brand. Fundamentally, the problem is that these assholes are on both sides of the feminist sex wars - when they talk about women's sexuality, it's healthy and empowering, but when they talk about men's sexuality, it's harmful and exploitative. It is essentially mindless backlash against the status quo and as a result they protect women who are in the wrong and condemn men who are in the right. The conclusion of their principles isn't equality, it's simple inversion.
And no, that doesn't piss me off because I think they'll succeed or because I feel persecuted or any of that stupid bullshit. It pisses me off because until they shut their fucking mouths it will be that much harder to gain traction for actual women's causes.
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Post by hyzmarca » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:32 am

> Maj wrote:

> > name_here wrote:It is most definitely not an appropriate shirt to wear to a press conference.

> Exactly this. I'm actually willing to go so far as to say that - regardless of the print on the shirt - a Hawaiian shirt is inappropriate for a press conference.

On the other hand, Hawaiian shirts are comfortable. Why should someone have to be uncomfortable at a press conference? Since he's working for NASA I'd presume that he's in either Texas or Flordia or some other place where the eather makes that sort of shirt appropriate.
Anyway, its a cool looking shirt, a bit gaudy, but those women on it do appear badass.
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Post by DSMatticus » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:47 am

Damnit, it's the ESA. The ESA. I'm pretty sure he's operating out of a headquarters in France.
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Post by hyzmarca » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:14 am

> DSMatticus wrote:Damnit, it's the ESA. The ESA. I'm pretty sure he's operating out of a headquarters in France.

Oh, then why do they care. Anything goes in Europe.
Alternate response: Europe has a space agency?
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Post by ...You Lost Me » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:24 am

> hyzmarca wrote:Alternate response: Europe has a space agency?

I had the same response the first time it came up. Definitely living in a bubble.

> DSMatticus wrote:Again, look at this fucking map you moron. Take your finger and trace each country's coast, then trace its claim line. Even you - and I say that as someone who could not think less of your intelligence - should be able to tell that one of these things is not like the other.

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Post by Shatner » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:25 am

> ...You Lost Me wrote:

> > hyzmarca wrote:Alternate response: Europe has a space agency?

> I had the same response the first time it came up. Definitely living in a bubble.

Yeah, you finish a Cold War and dither for a couple of decades and suddenly everyone is firing stuff up out of the gravity well.
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Post by Maj » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:26 am

> hyzmarca wrote:On the other hand, Hawaiian shirts are comfortable. Why should someone have to be uncomfortable at a press conference? Since he's working for NASA I'd presume that he's in either Texas or Flordia or some other place where the eather makes that sort of shirt appropriate.
> Anyway, its a cool looking shirt, a bit gaudy, but those women on it do appear badass.

I totally get why dude wore it. It's a bespoke shirt. You don't just wear something like that around the house - it's special. So why not bust it out for a special occasion?
Unfortunately, when you're representing a serious endeavor on an international scale, you just don't dress up like you're about to hang with Jimmy Buffet. Sort of like how you don't wear a thong bikini to your job interview.
Fortunately, there are lots of kinds of shirt out there that are more appropriate without being any less comfortable (Ess is a big fan of the comfortable, yet wedding-capable shirt... and even has a few).
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Post by hyzmarca » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:52 am

> Shatner wrote:

> > ...You Lost Me wrote:

> > > hyzmarca wrote:Alternate response: Europe has a space agency?

> > I had the same response the first time it came up. Definitely living in a bubble.

> Yeah, you finish a Cold War and dither for a couple of decades and suddenly everyone is firing stuff up out of the gravity well.

We really need the Soviet Union back. We don't have anyone to compete with anymore.
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Post by OgreBattle » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:22 am

Video allegedly showing a Syrian shooter killing a child had been making the rounds. Washington Post's Syrian bureau chief tweeted about it
Turns out it's a hoax made by Norwegians who... want to spread awareness of children in warzones by making people think they're watching Syrian Assad troops kill kids?
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-30057401
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Post by tussock » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:51 am

> DSMatticus wrote:Clickbait pop-feminism is a genuine fucking tragedy. A bunch of bloggers entirely without noteworthy credentials have assumed the public face of feminism and they are dragging it into a bunch of completely bullshit fights that they are only managing to win because of the brand they're wearing. But it's fucking hurting the brand.

Blogging is a genuine tragedy? Blogging? What's the death toll so far?
[*] Being the public face of feminism is a noteworthy credential. You just noted it.
[*] The people who are winning arguments for feminism is what feminism is.
[*] Your little exclusive brand that doesn't include actual leading feminists, whut?
It kinda reads like …

> because until they shut their fucking mouths

… that. That's like, a perfect solution to the problems of feminism, then. The women who disagree with you should shut their fucking mouths. Lovely.
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Post by Grek » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:23 am

Tussock, you are dense like boron. Not everyone who calls themselves a feminist has the same goals. A person who claims that all male sexuality is misogynistic will not magically start to agree with a person who claims that society needs to get rid of the gender double standard on sexuality just because they both call themselves feminists. DSM is mad that some of the people who call themselves feminists are making bad arguments that he disagrees with and that some of the people who hear these bad arguments decide that all feminism is bad and start ignoring anyone who refers to themselves as a feminist. Wanting the people who disagree with your goals for society not to refer to themselves by the same name as your social movement is a totally legitimate response to that.

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Post by DSMatticus » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:52 am

> tussock wrote:

> > DSMatticus wrote:Clickbait pop-feminism is a genuine fucking tragedy. A bunch of bloggers entirely without noteworthy credentials have assumed the public face of feminism and they are dragging it into a bunch of completely bullshit fights that they are only managing to win because of the brand they're wearing. But it's fucking hurting the brand.

> Blogging is a genuine tragedy? Blogging? What's the death toll so far?

Hey, dumbass. The plummeting access to abortions across the United States is a genuine human tragedy. That women are frequently blamed by their peers and by the justice system for their own victimization is a genuine human tragedy. That women are systematically underprivileged in the work place compared to men is a genuine human tragedy. And these are all issues being tackled under the label of feminism.
When prominent figures do stupid shit in the name of feminism, that hurts the credibility of the movement - credibility the movement needs to tackle those problems. Saying that you don't think prominent figures shitting on the brand isn't tragic is really just you straight up admitting that you are less interested in achieving the cause's goals than you are in the tribalism of protecting the individual people wearing the label.
So fuck you. Seriously, fuck you. That's fucking awful and you should be ashamed of yourself.

> tussock wrote:[*] Your little exclusive brand that doesn't include actual leading feminists, whut?

You are shockingly ill-equipped to talk about feminism. Sex-positive feminism is a thing. It's not even a small thing; the sex-positive feminists basically won, as well they should have, and most modern feminist thought begins from the assumption that sexuality is just a thing no one should feel bad about. Which is exactly why it is permissible to say things like "it was inappropriate for him to wear that shirt in a work environment [because reasons like the ones DSM already described]," but it is not permissible to shame that man for liking the shirt as many articles and a mind-boggling plethora of tweets have.
You're seriously in the middle of no true scotsmanning academia in favor of the blogosphere. Hint: shut up. You have no idea what you're talking about.

> tussock wrote:It kinda reads like …

> > because until they shut their fucking mouths

> … that. That's like, a perfect solution to the problems of feminism, then. The women who disagree with you should shut their fucking mouths. Lovely.

Wow! You are an actual walking, talking conservative strawman. When presented with criticism of a nominally feminist perspective, you went directly to "you can't do that it's sexist." So let's have you put your money where your mouth. This is Camille Paglia. She is a self-described feminist. She is also a rape apologeticist. Here is my personal message to Camille Paglia: "the world will be a better place when you shut your fucking mouth."
Please tell me how sexist that was. Please, tell all of us about how women are delicate little flowers and if you're going to criticize them you have to do it with your soft inside voice lest you make them cry.
Wait wait wait I know how to fix this. You're a dude, right? Here: this forum will be a better place when you shut your fucking mouth. See? I'm not telling you that because of what you have between your legs. I'm telling you that because of what you don't have between your ears.
Edit: and for the sake of completeness, you should not assume that feminist writers are all women. For example, the originally linked article was written in part by Chris Plante, who is a man. But in the grand scheme of things that assumption is among the least offensive things in your post, sooo... whatever.
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Post by tussock » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:46 am

> DSMatticus wrote:…

DS: This thing is the worst!
Me: Really?
DS: No! This other thing is the worst!
DS: But anyone who fights against things that are not the actual worst are also the worst!
DS: My preferred feminism includes X. Those people do not include X consistently. Therefore they are the worst!
DS: Some random blogger no one was talking about for instance. The twittersphere, it was inaccurate in some ways at one point. It does not compare well with scholarly papers. Therefore THE WORST!

> This is Camille Paglia. She is a self-described feminist. She is also a rape apologeticist. Here is my personal message to Camille Paglia: "the world will be a better place when you shut your fucking mouth."

Camille isn't here. No one was talking about Camille. I've never heard of Camille. I did not click that link because it is not germane to the conversation.

> Please tell me how sexist that was.

There was an article about a guy's shirt and you found it a great excuse to hang shit on some random woman who had nothing to do with it, and extrapolated by your own words to "a bunch of bloggers" who "assumed the public face of feminism" and because they're not arguing about the worst things they are the worst.
Even though maybe they're just bloggers and they wrote about the topic of the day like bloggers do, and it was collectively all over the place as bloggers are all the fucking time. No one cares about your blog. No one cares about their blogs.

> Please, tell all of us about how women are delicate little flowers and if you're going to criticize them you have to do it with your soft inside voice lest you make them cry.

I find the forums on which I post where a lot of women hang out, the reason that happens is there's rules about using your soft inside voice and you should try to not make people cry. So I reject your phrasing of the principle and accept it anyway.
For talking to men too. Children. The elderly. Police and the Judiciary. Your workmates. Your family. Random people on the street. A politician who listens to you for five seconds. Pretty much everywhere, you should use your inside voice and try to not make people cry. Some barely moderated pseudonymous forum is about the only place you will get away with doing otherwise. Eh.
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Post by Stahlseele » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:50 am

> hyzmarca wrote:

> > DSMatticus wrote:Damnit, it's the ESA. The ESA. I'm pretty sure he's operating out of a headquarters in France.

> Oh, then why do they care. Anything goes in Europe.
> Alternate response: Europe has a space agency?

You will notice that the verge is english/american . . nobody in europe would give a shit about it.
It hasn't made the news over here either. We only get bombareded with every last minute new detail about how awesome our science and engineering is . . even if our navigational skills still seem to be somewhat improveable.
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Post by DSMatticus » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:24 pm

Tussock, you're an idiot. You are a complete and total fucking idiot. I say that not with the passion of someone who loathes you, but with the weariness of someone who wonders for what long-forgotten blaspemy it is that he must still suffer. You stumble from conversation to conversation, from blunder to blunder, without the faintest inkling of what the fuck is going on when you arrive and without the faintest inkling of what the fuck is going on when you leave; nothing happens between save the frustration you inflict upon others whilst failing so miserably to participate in their conversations.
Every single thing you say is stupid. Every. Single. Thing.
Consider your attempts to derisively paraphrase our conversation: it is, of course, a string of strawmen and perplexing misunderstandings. And honestly, in spite of how impressively deliberate such consistent misrepresentation must seem, I can't even give you enough credit to have intended it. If there is anything I have faith in, anything at all, it is your ability to have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Consider the Paglia example: after you drew parallels between my outrage at particular feminists for saying particular things and misogynist outrage at women for daring to say anything at all, you do not understand how an example of a self-labelled feminist saying something incontrovertibly disgusting and absolutely worthy of outrage is pertinent.
You are very, very, very dumb.
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Post by tussock » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:12 am

> DSMatticus wrote:Consider the Paglia example: after you drew parallels between my outrage at particular feminists for saying particular things and misogynist outrage at women for daring to say anything at all, …

In a post where you wank off about other people not understanding you, ….
What I did, sir, is suggest that when bloggers say things you don't like, it is not the end of feminism. It is not George W.'s supreme court nominations. It is not people murdering gynaecologists and being celebrated for it on public radio. You have now backed well away from that, as you rightly should have.

> Grek wrote:DSM is mad that some of the people who call themselves feminists are making bad arguments that he disagrees with and that some of the people who hear these bad arguments decide that all feminism is bad and start ignoring anyone who refers to themselves as a feminist.

Like that, it's how other people see you too. Hey Grek.
Your argument, DS, was used against feminists who wanted the vote in the 19th century here. People told them they should shut up, because that was hurting the feminist cause. It was making people not like feminism. That wasn't a shitty argument because the women wanting the vote were right, it was a shitty argument because it's poor logic.
X is in group Y.
X does Z.
A don't like group Y.
A uses Z (and other things) as an argument against all of group Y.
Compare.
X is in group Y.
X does not do Z, ever.
A still doesn't like group Y.
A still uses Z (and other things) as an argument against all of group Y.
Check it out. In a world where no "feminists" say anything wrong ever, gynaecologists still get murdered, the supreme court is still loaded with crazy, the republicans still control both houses in the US, Putin is still a dick, Saudi Arabia is still a hell-hole, in many countries children are murdered or sold to slavery at birth or any other time for lack of a penis, rape is still endemic, and rapists still walk free almost all the time. Because feminist bloggers aren't actually doing any of that, at all (well, exceptions to every rule). Even when they agree with some small part of it in some way, on account of not being perfect.
But what's really important here, to you, clearly, is that you keep attacking feminists. Because there's nothing like purity of thought and mind, oneness of purpose, to gain a … no, actually, that doesn't matter at all. Ghandi was an ass who said all sorts of terrible things, Mandela was a strait-up terrorist. Even the best and most positively influential people are always deeply imperfect. Attacking them for their imperfections, claiming those will make the sky fall and ruin the movement, is missing the fucking point so widely I am struggling to articulate it.
For fuck's sake. If you want to disagree with the shirt-shaming: just do that where you see it. In a way that people will hear and understand, preferably, because a lot of people are just going to ignore you if you rant on about the sky falling any more.
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Post by Dean » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:13 am

DSMatticus you and I have argued in a bunch of feminism based threads but you've spoken very well here. You put into words things that I've been reacting to about the clickbait feminism culture for years. I used to be very comfortable labeling myself a feminist, I took women's studies courses and spent most of my college time at a women's college (which I was not enrolled in but men can take classes there). Over the last 5 years I grew more and more uncomfortable with the things that were being added to the "feminism" umbrella and once I found myself arguing against the group much more than with it I eventually ejected the title. My closest friend in the world is a Muslim man named Ismail who once said about Muslim extremists "If they are Muslim I cannot be" and that was how I felt. While I'm willing to fight for an egalitarian society I haven't felt comfortable calling myself a feminist in a long time for fear of being seen as a supporter of a host of terrible beliefs that I feel are now associated with the title.
I don't really know what to do about any of this. I don't know who's winning or losing or how we got here. I want to support women's rights but not censorship or paternalism. I want these internet feminist information channels to be as popular as they are but I want them to be talking about the reduction in America's abortive clinics and not Kim Kardashians fucking anus. Thing's are really really bad in contemporary feminism right now and I don't really know what actions I should be taking to fix things.

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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:58 am

If you're going to wimp out of a movement because some extremists appropriate the label, then do yourself a favor and stay out of social movements. Forever.
See, this shit is not really anything new. Hell, it's the go-to tactic of the reactionary backlash. Do you really think that you're forging some fucking new ground with your jejune and facile observation that some feminists are making the movement look bad? For fuck's sake, this is the exact same playbook the reactionaries ran in the 70s with scuttling the ERA.

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Post by Chamomile » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:38 pm

I've been wondering for months now what the strategy should be regarding social issues. My recommendation would be to firstly take this opportunity to harden people against cultish thinking in general - point out parallels between the latest circus and the McCarthy witch hunts or the rise of the Nazi regime or whatever other rhetoric before reason atrocity you think will most resonate with your audience as proof that the labels used by authoritarian cultists are a smokescreen for rank megalomaniacal greed. Boil things down into a phrase that attacks dogmatic thought rather than the feminist shield they're trying to hide behind. Don't call them feminists because they're not - they're cultists. And the lesson you want as many of your friends and associates to take away from the shirt storm is that cults are bad and will wear the face of whatever movement happens to be most popular at the time.
Second, I've heard it suggested that archive.today (if you aren't aware, a means of archiving a website so that you can link to the archive and then the website doesn't get any pageviews from people who click on your link) should be pushed as much as possible in order to kill clickbait ad revenue. I don't know exactly how much clickbait money is in people who read their atrociously researched articles just to get angry, but I'd wager it's a fair amount, and services like archive.today can seriously reduce the amount of traffic they get from that.
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Post by Kaelik » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:54 pm

> tussock wrote:Your argument, DS, was used against feminists who wanted the vote in the 19th century here. People told them they should shut up, because that was hurting the feminist cause. It was making people not like feminism. That wasn't a shitty argument because the women wanting the vote were right, it was a shitty argument because it's poor logic.

Nope, that is totally not an argument that was used against women wanting to vote. An explicit premise in DSM's argument is that being wrong is the problem. Unless some one specifically thought women shouldn't vote and that women trying to vote were wasting political capital that could be better spent on some other subject, then no one ever made the same argument DSM is now making against women voting.

> tussock wrote:But what's really important here, to you, clearly, is that you keep attacking feminists.

Context is important. You will notice that the person talking is DSM. You will note that DSM is not in fact some complete idiot like Tzor who votes for republicans. You will note that DSM is in fact not a person who says "Who cares if Republicans ban abortion, they are still no worse than Democrats." Since DSM spends more time defending feminism and women from shit that is actually a serious problem than you do, and in fact, often times he has done so specifically against you being pro-sexism, your allegation that DSM just really wants to fight feminists is significantly undermined.
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Post by DSMatticus » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:47 pm

> tussock wrote:What I did, sir, is suggest that when bloggers say things you don't like, it is not the end of feminism. It is not George W.'s supreme court nominations. It is not people murdering gynaecologists and being celebrated for it on public radio. You have now backed well away from that, as you rightly should have.

Tussock, I do not have any fucking clue how you read my responses to you and interpreted any part of them as a retreat. I can only assume this is some sort of weird coping mechanism in which you fantasize about how awesome it would be if I said "okay, sure, but...", but unfortunately there is never going to be a time in your life that happens. That fantasy is not coming true. You are entirely too much of a fucking moron to make that happen. I am not the least bit frightened I will ever have to eat this particular crow. You are such a consistently and outstandingly shitty poster that you making a solid point may very well be a sign of the end times, and as such the abrupt onset of the apocalypse will spare me the indignity of having been outwitted by someone who I can only assume is lucky to get his shoes on the correct feet in the morning.
Consider, for example, the latest argument in your parade of stupid: you are seriously arguing that it doesn't really matter if Obama stands up on national television and begins twirling a recently-grown handlebar moustache while explaining how his plan to kill old people with Obamacare death panels has succeeded and class warfare has rendered us powerless to stop it, because Fox News is just going to say that's a thing he did anyway. Of course, in reality land, having an egregiously terrible black swan event attached to socialized medicine and progressive taxation could easily set United States progressives back decades on top of the harm Fox News propaganda spewage already inflicts.
Just give up and fuck off. You are an idiot, and the only thing you could possibly hope to accomplish here is helping me find my way into a few more posters' sigs with clever insults. And now that I've given myself performance anxiety by talking about it, you aren't even worth that much.
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Post by hyzmarca » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:14 pm

Instead of argueing with the feminists who are obsessed with equal media representation and telling them that they're wrong, why don't we all gang up against the ecofeminists, who are not only wrong but actually genocidal.
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Post by name_here » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:19 pm

Because those people are so obviously crazy and wrong we don't have to argue against them to persuade everyone else they're wrong.

> DSMatticus wrote:It's not just that everything you say is stupid, but that they are Gordian knots of stupid that leave me completely bewildered as to where to even begin. After hearing you speak Alexander the Great would stab you and triumphantly declare the puzzle solved.

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