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Post by name_here » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:13 am

You know, today there was a guest lecturer from a crisis management firm. He described that guy as a perfect example of how to totally fuck up crisis management.
The guy got on American television during the reporting of election results. That is the most spectacular fuck-up I have ever seen.
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Post by tussock » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:50 am

It's certainly making the Mayor of Auckland look better by comparison.
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Anyhoo, the TPPA has finally been leaked in full.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/13 ... _tpp_text/
That's the Trans-Pacific Partership Agreement, or a thing where NZ was trying to make another free trade deal when suddenly eveyone wants in on it and it's the whole pacific rim including the US (so, almost Non-US).
So everyone's going to have to do the following (or not, many many people are unhappy with this thing, including the people who are supposed to sign it).
[*] Patents allowable on plants and animals.
[*] Infinite duration patents.
Should I patent humans? Because I would own everyone forever. Feels wrong. ?
[*] Criminalising anything that bypasses TPMs (to include DRM) regardless of purpose.
[*] Criminalising of copyright infringement.
[*] Automatic take-down for copyright claims, that you have to sue to counter.
[*] Copyright claimants having the right to choose the court and jurisdiction.
[*] Copyright is, effectively, forever in all countries.
[*] Measures to prevent this being used for anticompetitive purposes would be forbidden.
[*] No safe-harbour rules, so ISPs infringe when their customers do.
I'm going to have to copyright images of my dick. Porn would infringe. Forever. If you disagree, sue me, we'll hold court in some shitpot island I bought before a judge I own. Shouldn't take long before I own the internet.
[*] Oh, hey, you know medical science? Copyright. Medical trials, or even the existence of them, would be protected in secret forever with prison for anyone who disagrees. Oddly, only the US has proposed that and everyone else says fuck no. Because killing science just seems like a bad idea, eh.
[*] Patents on everything? Well, surgical methods, diagnosis methods, instructions for healing sick people, how to apply medicine. Patented.
[*] Effectively forbidding single-payer insurance and health systems.
So, uh, doctors won't just be licences by the state, but also buying licences to distribute medicine from the drug companies, because doing A with B is patented. FOREVER.
I mean, it's bullshit, because the countries involved aren't going to sign that. But holy fucking shit, look at what people are asking for! It is completely insane. Nervous laughter.
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Post by ishy » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:36 am

> tussock wrote:[*] Criminalising anything that bypasses TPMs (to include DRM) regardless of purpose.

Misread it at first and was wondering what impact DRM has on the Tea Party Movement.

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Post by Koumei » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:06 am

> tussock wrote: I mean, it's bullshit, because the countries involved aren't going to sign that. But holy fucking shit, look at what people are asking for! It is completely insane. Nervous laughter.

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Post by Maxus » Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:30 am

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Post by nockermensch » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:32 pm

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Post by Longes » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:52 am

So, it looks like EU is staging a revolution in Ukraine. That makes me really sad. I guess the example of Bulgaria hasn't taught anyone anything.
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Post by Username17 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:24 pm

> Longes wrote:So, it looks like EU is staging a revolution in Ukraine. That makes me really sad. I guess the example of Bulgaria hasn't taught anyone anything.

It's all very weird. Ukraine has zero chance of joining the EU. They could be short listed for a decade (see: Turkey), but the way things currently stand you need 28 "yes" votes to join the EU, and there is no way on this green Earth that you are going to get Poland and Latvia to vote to make a bunch of Russians into citizens. Latvia won't even make the Russians literally born in their country into citizens, and you think they are going to suddenly make all the 45 million citizens of fucking Ukraine into citizens? Not a fucking chance.
It looks like a bunch of right wingers in the EU are trying to use the dog and pony show of the last round of Ukraine/EU talks to hurt the pro-Russia faction in Ukraine and by extension hurt Russia. Because apparently they are so keen on fighting Russia that they forgot that five years ago it was the anti-Russia faction in Ukraine that went bandit and cut off natural gas supplies to Europe. Which of course resulted in actual deaths of Polish people and such an amazing failure of European leadership (which at that time was in the hands of anti-EU Czechs) that the rules of EU presidency had to be changed.
It's very very odd. I can't think of a single thing other than cold war recidivism that would make EU politicians support an anti-Russia uprising in Ukraine at this time. Do they seriously not remember how fucked up it was when those people were in power five fucking years ago? I understand feeling that weakening Russia is a reasonable thing to do from a simple realpolitik standpoint, but the fact of the matter is that we had to have the Nord Stream pipeline through the Baltic because jokers running the anti-Russia faction in Ukraine are dangerously unstable and haven't successfully mastered such capitalist standards as "bill paying" and "contract negotiation."
TL;DR: you can hate Russia all you want, but Ukraine is also on the EU's border, and them descending into anarchy would be at least as bad for the EU as it would be for Russia. Look at a map, Ukraine has a Western frontier as well as an Eastern one. And the nihilists that are being pumped up are mostly in the West. It's very bad policy.
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Post by Maxus » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:18 pm

Has there been any more updates on Hungary after that big swarm of constitution-rewriting and court-packing?
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Post by Longes » Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:20 am

> FrankTrollman wrote:

> > Longes wrote:So, it looks like EU is staging a revolution in Ukraine. That makes me really sad. I guess the example of Bulgaria hasn't taught anyone anything.

> It's all very weird. Ukraine has zero chance of joining the EU. They could be short listed for a decade (see: Turkey), but the way things currently stand you need 28 "yes" votes to join the EU, and there is no way on this green Earth that you are going to get Poland and Latvia to vote to make a bunch of Russians into citizens. Latvia won't even make the Russians literally born in their country into citizens, and you think they are going to suddenly make all the 45 million citizens of fucking Ukraine into citizens? Not a fucking chance.
> It looks like a bunch of right wingers in the EU are trying to use the dog and pony show of the last round of Ukraine/EU talks to hurt the pro-Russia faction in Ukraine and by extension hurt Russia. Because apparently they are so keen on fighting Russia that they forgot that five years ago it was the anti-Russia faction in Ukraine that went bandit and cut off natural gas supplies to Europe. Which of course resulted in actual deaths of Polish people and such an amazing failure of European leadership (which at that time was in the hands of anti-EU Czechs) that the rules of EU presidency had to be changed.
> It's very very odd. I can't think of a single thing other than cold war recidivism that would make EU politicians support an anti-Russia uprising in Ukraine at this time. Do they seriously not remember how fucked up it was when those people were in power five fucking years ago? I understand feeling that weakening Russia is a reasonable thing to do from a simple realpolitik standpoint, but the fact of the matter is that we had to have the Nord Stream pipeline through the Baltic because jokers running the anti-Russia faction in Ukraine are dangerously unstable and haven't successfully mastered such capitalist standards as "bill paying" and "contract negotiation."
> TL;DR: you can hate Russia all you want, but Ukraine is also on the EU's border, and them descending into anarchy would be at least as bad for the EU as it would be for Russia. Look at a map, Ukraine has a Western frontier as well as an Eastern one. And the nihilists that are being pumped up are mostly in the West. It's very bad policy.
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We remember things differently. From my knowledge, five years ago Ukraine wanted cheaper gas, and refused to let the gas through until Russia lowered the prices. And Russia didn't want to lower the prices, because Ukraine was fucking stealing it already.
Other than putting Ukraine in NATO and setting up military bases there, EU needs new markets to sell their shit.
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Post by Username17 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:11 am

> Longes wrote:We remember things differently. From my knowledge, five years ago Ukraine wanted cheaper gas, and refused to let the gas through until Russia lowered the prices. And Russia didn't want to lower the prices, because Ukraine was fucking stealing it already.
> Other than putting Ukraine in NATO and setting up military bases there, EU needs new markets to sell their shit.

You are missing some steps. First of all, Russia has always sold natural gas to Ukraine at below market rates. It's a thing they do for former Soviet Republics to keep them in their sphere of influence. If Germany buys natural gas from North Sea pumping stations or from Russia, they pay the same amount, based on international commodity markets. And if Ukraine buys natural gas from Norway or whatever, they pay that amount too. But if Ukraine buys it from Russia, they pay less than that.
After the Orange Revolution, the anti-Russia faction in Ukraine took over and proceeded to do various stuff to posture against Russia. Hell, they were one of the few countries that stood up and announced their support for Georgia's incredibly ill-conceived invasion of Russia. And when their gas contract came up, Russia told them unilaterally that they were only going to renew it with a reduced subsidy. That is, Ukraine would still pay less than market rate, but in light of them being raging cock holes, it would be less below market rate for the next five years than it had been for the previous five years.
Now Ukraine had essentially no bargaining position at all. Russia was giving them gas subsidies before, and it was giving them gas subsidies after. Even the new, higher rates were still less than what they could expect to pay for gas anywhere else. And that would only be possible if they had pipelines to other gas producing countries capable of supplying their needs, which they fucking didn't. So the government of Ukraine was stuck going back to their people with the news that their beligerance had bought them... more expensive than expected fuel and an exacerbation of the recession. Clearly that wasn't going to play well at home, so they bet everything on refusing to pay their gas bill at all. See, the end of the previous contract also coincided with the end of the year, which is when they were supposed to pay for all the gas they had used over the previous year. So they just said they weren't going to pay their bills.
Naturally, Russia responded by saying "No pay? No more gas for you!" Which is in fact well within their rights, since Ukraine had already signed a contract for, and already used, the gas over the previous year. This being the end of the year, and thus the middle of fucking winter, going without fuel would result in people dying, so Ukraine started siphoning gas out of the tubes crossing its territory. Russia responded to that by shutting off the entire pipeline.
Now here's the thing: that pipeline doesn't just go to Ukraine, it goes through Ukraine. So when Ukraine started diverting gas to their tanks, that was gas that had been paid for by Poland, Germany, and Czech Republic. Germany and Czech Republic actually had reserves allowing them to wait out the crisis, but Poland fucking didn't and Polish people began actually freezing to death.
Now you'd think that if a country started stealing things that belonged to the European Union that EU citizens literally needed to live, that the EU would immediately call upon NATO to at least prepare a military intervention. Certainly, it didn't take much energy disruption from the Libyan civil war before France called out the big guns. But at the time, the rotating head of the EU was Czech Republic, and the president of Czechia and all-around asshole of the time was Vaclav Klaus who simply said "I don't care if Poles die." So the EU basically sat around with their thumbs up their asses until Yulia Tymoshenko broke ranks with the other Orange Faction people and cut a deal with Russia.
Now, the spectacular failure of the Orange Faction to accomplish much of anything with their Russia chest beating led to them losing the next election, and the pro-Russia faction is in power today. Also, Tymonshenko is in prison on incredibly dubious charges. The charges are essentially that she "abused power" by going against the President and negotiating an end to the gas crisis. Considering that this prevented Ukraine from being bombed by NATO, I'm not sure how that could possibly be considered an abuse of anything, but sure. It's Ukraine, shit is crazy there. Note that both the US and Russia condemn her imprisonment. But apparently having broken with the rest of the Orange faction and still being opposed to the party of regions, she's a ripe target for selective justice.
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Post by Koumei » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:05 am

When you all talk about Ukraine, I feel you are forgetting one important thing.
It's the Ukraine.

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Post by Longes » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:29 am

According to this article it's not. But Ukraine is weird like that. In russian for every country you say "in USA/England/Russia", but "on Ukraine".
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Post by Longes » Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:30 am

According to this article it's not. But Ukraine is weird like that. In russian for every country you say "in USA/England/Russia", but "on Ukraine".
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Post by Username17 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:34 pm

> Longes wrote:According to this article it's not. But Ukraine is weird like that. In russian for every country you say "in USA/England/Russia", but "on Ukraine".

"Ukraine" is a word which means "borderland." As the proper name of a country whose name can also be the name of a geographical feature of that country, in proper English the correct term is "The Ukraine." In the same way that "The Sudan" is the name of the country between Eritrea and Chad in English. Some of these are fairly obscure, such as the proper name of Lebanon being "The Lebanon," but few enough people know about the Lebanon mountains that the "The" is often left off by people who don't know any better.
Ukrainian nationalists don't know English, and about fifteen years ago got a giant bug up their ass about how people were calling their country "The Ukraine" and thought that was pejorative. Apparently because they are fucking idiots and it never occurred to them that the two most influential English speaking countries are "The United States" and "The United Kingdom." So it is official government policy in The Ukraine that their country should be translated into English as "Ukraine."
Which makes about as much sense as if the US demanded to be called "Los Unidos Estados" en Español. But in the official titles of the United Nations, the Ukrainian government did get humored on this issue because honestly it's a rather obscure point of English grammar and no one really cares if Ukrainians insist on using bad grammar in international relations. It's a thing we laugh at them for, but that's about it.
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Post by Koumei » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:31 am

The only reason I brought it up is the Eurostyle thread where vagrant made a fool of himself and much laughter was had.

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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:07 pm

So. What are the major Ukrainian political parties going to do about the ongoing natural gas situation? I mean, I can totes understand not wanting to depend on Russia for their energy but what is the backup plan? Renewables? Secret trade agreements with Middle Eastern plutocrats? Give the Norwegian royal family oral? What?

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> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by Username17 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:19 pm

> Lago PARANOIA wrote:So. What are the major Ukrainian political parties going to do about the ongoing natural gas situation? I mean, I can totes understand not wanting to depend on Russia for their energy but what is the backup plan? Renewables? Secret trade agreements with Middle Eastern plutocrats? Give the Norwegian royal family oral? What?

The saner groups simply claim that they can let the price of gas stabilize and make up the losses with increased trade with the rest of Europe. That seems to be pretty clearly not true, but at least it's the kind of argument that rational people could have.
The more extreme group seems to think that joining NATO means that they get to fight Russia in an actual war, and win. I really have no idea what the fucking hell is supposed to happen after that, but when the first part of your plan is "defeat fucking Russia in a land war" and I don't think it really much matters what step two is supposed to be.
This isn't purely home grown nationalist nutjobs. Consider this photo:
The really big guy is a Ukrainian boxer, and the head of the Punch movement, which is part of the pro-Europe faction. But the gnome next to him is Jaros&#322;aw fucking Kaczy&#324;ski, who is the former prime minister of Poland, and a conservative nutjob. When asked why he was supporting Georgia in the South Ossetia war, he had this to say:

> Jaros&#322;aw Kaczy&#324;ski wrote:There's a link between Polish and Georgian independence. Only a complete idiot can fail to see that. It is in Polish interests to prevent a restoration of the Russian empire.

There's a whole tribe of Eastern European neocons who think that starting World War 3 and having the big NATO-Russia throw down we were all promised in the 80s is not only "not literally the worst idea anyone has ever had," but actually a positive and necessary step for the region. This may sound dangerous and fringe to you, but Law and Justice has 30 seats in the Polish senate, and Svoboda has 38 seats in the Ukrainian parliament.
It wasn't just John McCain threatening to back up Georgia with their mad scheme to "invade Russia," the right wing all over Eastern Europe thinks this is a great idea. It's really insane. I think someone actually has to drop a nuke on some city in Europe before non-colonial Europeans will actually understand how fucking totally unacceptable it is to fight a war of elimination with the world's largest nuclear power. Every country with some skin in the Pacific got the message when Hiroshima and Nagasaki went up, but the landlocked Europeans apparently do not understand.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:17 pm

> FrankTrollman wrote:The more extreme group seems to think that joining NATO means that they get to fight Russia in an actual war, and win. I really have no idea what the fucking hell is supposed to happen after that, but when the first part of your plan is "defeat fucking Russia in a land war" and I don't think it really much matters what step two is supposed to be.

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> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by Koumei » Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:30 am

I'd mention the recent government ideas in Australia, but frankly, it's depressing more than interesting. Suffice to say, I fucking hope international sanctions are levelled against the country by the UN, alternatively that Indonesia does declare war on us. It would at least create the pressure needed for Abbot to stand down or for the populace to rise up and actually seize power in a coup.
Onto more hilarious news:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-21/h ... ia/5209930
(And he has later tweeted that he makes no apology - not any more, all his apologies are made by Sorry Solutions, a company registered in 2009).

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Post by Maxus » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:05 am

Speaking of Eastern Europe funtimes, is there any news out of Hungary worth reporting?
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Post by Longes » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:42 am

Russian journalists are total slackers. There's such a field for trolling with this anti-anti-gay boycott! For example, in Germany it is illegal to have an incestuous relationship. In Russia being gay isn't illegal.

> Onto more hilarious news:
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-21/h ... ia/5209930

His most famous role is House?! What?! What happened to Berty Wooster?!
More hilarious news from Ukraine: you can now insure yourself from Maidan.
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Post by Koumei » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:08 am

> His most famous role is House?! What?! What happened to Berty Wooster?!

Unfortunately, Jeeves & Wooster wasn't really big outside of Britain (and I don't know how "big" it was over there, for that matter), same with Black Adder. It is awesome, but it isn't what caused basically everyone in America to suddenly know who Hugh Laurie is (also making him the top-paid actor in the world for a little while).
Similarly, to me he will always be "Hugh Laurie", from "A Bit of Fry & Laurie". But that wasn't really well-known either. So you end up with this:

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Post by Shatner » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:12 pm

My wife has been an enthusiastic British TV watcher for decades; growing up, the local Dallas PBS station showed a lot of Vicer of Dibbley, Monty Python, Red Dwarf, Fawlty Towers and so on. She surprised the heck out of a number of our friends by showing them Black Adder (the Regency Period, where Hugh Laurie plays pretty much the opposite of House as an idiotic, foppish Prince of Wales) after they'd gotten excited about House. The fact that he's a British comedian and musician makes his role as House all the more jarring. To my grandma, however, he was Stuart Little's dad.
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