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...You Lost Me
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Post by ...You Lost Me » Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:40 pm

> Kaelik wrote:Or alternatively, several thousand dollars can actually buy you something actually fucking useful to improve your status, and $100 definitely fucking can't, because you need to eat and sleep and shower, and having done that, you have zero dollars left.

Well "Eat, Sleep, and Shower" =/= "spend it all immediately, and often end up in the hospital from overeating after starving for months"
A shower, a day of meals, and a trip to goodwill can be literally less than $20. So now that we know that homeless people saved their thousands of dollars (no one stole it from them, like you implied they could), then we know it's possible for homeless people to save hundreds of dollars. And since showering and food don't cost $50 apiece, then it's likely that a $100-infusion helps any given homeless person more than it hurts.
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> DSMatticus wrote:Again, look at this fucking map you moron. Take your finger and trace each country's coast, then trace its claim line. Even you - and I say that as someone who could not think less of your intelligence - should be able to tell that one of these things is not like the other.

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Post by Kaelik » Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:02 pm

> ...You Lost Me wrote:

> > Kaelik wrote:Or alternatively, several thousand dollars can actually buy you something actually fucking useful to improve your status, and $100 definitely fucking can't, because you need to eat and sleep and shower, and having done that, you have zero dollars left.

> Well "Eat, Sleep, and Shower" =/= "spend it all immediately, and often end up in the hospital from overeating after starving for months"
> A shower, a day of meals, and a trip to goodwill can be literally less than $20. So now that we know that homeless people saved their thousands of dollars (no one stole it from them, like you implied they could), then we know it's possible for homeless people to save hundreds of dollars. And since showering and food don't cost $50 apiece, then it's likely that a $100-infusion helps any given homeless person more than it hurts.

Um. Do you understand how food shock works? If you haven't eaten in days you are starving, and you want to shove all the food down your throat. If you have $100 you buy a bunch of food, and then you eat it, and this is the bad part, if you eat a normal meal, or even worse, more than a normal meal, you will fucking suffer from shock and you should go to the hospital. People who are starving in the desert and then get fed a bunch of food literally die. Homeless, if they haven't been eating, will suffer the same fate.
Now if your argument is, "well they probably gave the money to a professional beggar who actually has plenty of food and a place to stay" I wonder what good you actually think you did.
And the actual scenario, in case it fucking matters, was just described as "Here, here's a few thousand. You'll get another few thousand in a month. And so on." which you'll note is enough to find someplace to fucking live.
Of course, all this is on basically the claims of people too lazy to look up the actual thing to check, who vaguely feel like it was money probably given to homeless people, even though it might actually have been given to people with homes.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
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Post by Prak » Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:35 pm

This is the article Maj and I were remembering, where, yes, it talks about people getting basically a paycheck for just being alive so they can continue being alive.
The first situation it talks about is English aid workers making thirteen homeless men the subject of a social experiment, where each man was given a one time sum of 3000 GBP cash with no requirements or strings attached. At the end of the first year, each man had spent no more than an average of 800GBP. By the end of that year, most had housing of one sort or another, and any with drug problems had gotten help.
A Kenyan man was given $500, and a couple months later he had gone from his $2/day quarry job before the money to a $6-9/day job driving people around on a motorbike.
It also talks about a town where residents would receive a minimum yearly income.
What deanruel is talking about is probably stuff like this where some random entrepreneur is walking up to people and handing them a hundred dollars.
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Post by ...You Lost Me » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:25 pm

> Kaelik wrote:Um. Do you understand how food shock works? If you haven't eaten in days you are starving, and you want to shove all the food down your throat. If you have $100 you buy a bunch of food, and then you eat it, and this is the bad part, if you eat a normal meal, or even worse, more than a normal meal, you will fucking suffer from shock and you should go to the hospital. People who are starving in the desert and then get fed a bunch of food literally die. Homeless, if they haven't been eating, will suffer the same fate.

Some homeless dudes were given enough money to overeat, and did not end up in the hospital from overeating. I don't know if that was because they rationed their food, or they were eating at soup kitchens beforehand, or god granted them iron fortitude, but so far we have 0 people who went to the hospital from overeating and ~10 who didn't. So from this sample size of n = [that many people], I'm saying that it's probably not likely that giving a homeless person $100 will lead to them overeating and "end[ing] up in the hospital from overeating after starving for months".

> DSMatticus wrote:Again, look at this fucking map you moron. Take your finger and trace each country's coast, then trace its claim line. Even you - and I say that as someone who could not think less of your intelligence - should be able to tell that one of these things is not like the other.

> Kaelik wrote:I invented saying mean things about Tussock.

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Post by Kaelik » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:20 pm

> ...You Lost Me wrote:

> > Kaelik wrote:Um. Do you understand how food shock works? If you haven't eaten in days you are starving, and you want to shove all the food down your throat. If you have $100 you buy a bunch of food, and then you eat it, and this is the bad part, if you eat a normal meal, or even worse, more than a normal meal, you will fucking suffer from shock and you should go to the hospital. People who are starving in the desert and then get fed a bunch of food literally die. Homeless, if they haven't been eating, will suffer the same fate.

> Some homeless dudes were given enough money to overeat, and did not end up in the hospital from overeating. I don't know if that was because they rationed their food, or they were eating at soup kitchens beforehand, or god granted them iron fortitude, but so far we have 0 people who went to the hospital from overeating and ~10 who didn't. So from this sample size of n = [that many people], I'm saying that it's probably not likely that giving a homeless person $100 will lead to them overeating and "end[ing] up in the hospital from overeating after starving for months".

One particular study gave 10 people money and apparently none of them ended up in the hospital* On the other hand, homeless people are admitted to the hospital for food shock already in numbers greater than 10 per 5 years in every metropolitan area in the world. So obviously your sample size of a ten person study is not even remotely comparable to the actual people who are actually admitted to hospitals.
*Actually, you don't know that, because they checked back a month later, and food shock, when it occurs, either kills you or doesn't in days, so they could have all gone to the hospital and that would be consistent with what he do know, but whatever.

> DSMatticus wrote:Kaelik gonna kaelik. Whatcha gonna do?

The U.S. isn't a democracy and if you think it is, you are a rube.
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Post by Mask_De_H » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:09 am

Pointing out the hypocrisy of everyday life is kind of the point of observational comedy, dean. Making your distaste into a bit would be the most cathartic and useful thing you could do with it. Using us as a hugbox isn't going to stop the assholes or give the homeless more stable support.
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Post by Dean » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:34 am

> Mask_De_H wrote:Pointing out the hypocrisy of everyday life is kind of the point of observational comedy, dean. Making your distaste into a bit would be the most cathartic and useful thing you could do with it. Using us as a hugbox isn't going to stop the assholes or give the homeless more stable support.
> You have an audience and you have a weapon and you have ammunition. Knock 'em dead.

Cheers man, really. I've been writing on it the last couple days. After I run it through a few dozen audiences and get the kinks out of it maybe I'll link a video of a show if you all don't mind looking at my ugly mug for a few minutes.

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Post by ubernoob » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:43 am

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Post by Koumei » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:20 am

Definitely. I'm a fan of stand-up comedy, but add Den-grown hatred and satire and anger to the mix and it's even better.

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Post by violence in the media » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:10 pm

Yeah, please link that when you're done.
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