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Post by Blade » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:38 am

> FrankTrollman wrote:If the National Front actually won in France, I would suddenly be worried sick about all their missiles and fighter jets, because those guys are both evil and crazy. And Putin has been pumping up France's National Front for no apparent reason but that he seems to like to see the West burn.

The Front National, but also many members of "Les Républicains" (the new UMP, the main right wing party) have decided that being friend with Putin and Russia was totally cool.
I don't know how much is due to:
- Putin giving (or promising) them money
- Them hating the US because reasons (like US is destroying/has destroyed our culture/values/international influence)
- Them loving Putin because they see him as a bold man of action (and they tend to support simple solutions to complex problems, like carpet-bombing all Syria because there are some terrorist somewhere over there)
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Post by Username17 » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:27 pm

> Blade wrote:The Front National

Nope. It's Front National en Français, but in English the adjective comes before the noun and the name is "National Front." The abbreviation is still FN regardless, because that is how acronyms work.
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Post by nockermensch » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:21 pm

Re: Putin
It's not that Putin is insane, but that Russia is kept in a very uncomfortable situation, with Saudi Arabia, a designated Good Guy(TM), funding terrorism in a series of countries and regions bordering Russia, and also trying to crash Russia's economy with oil prices.
I think Putin noticed the advantages of Culture War and is currently riding it. Russia intelligence seems to think that boosting fascists nativists is a way to improve their situation. Their plan can be as simple as "dismantling NATO".
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Post by DSMatticus » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:22 pm

I'm not sure there are any universally accepted rules for when to translate the name of a thing that is not a person. We don't the call Liberal Democratic Party the Jiminto, but we also don't call the Bundestag the Federal Assembly. I prefer Front National if only because that is a generic fucking name and on the off chance that there's another one out there somewhere I can tell people are talking about the French one because it's backwards.
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Post by tussock » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:19 am

> It's fucking nuts.

Not so long ago, the United States of America, along with the United Kingdom of Great Britain, invaded Iraq. If you'd like to check a map, you'll notice Iraq is a long fucking way from either of those countries. It was a country without a functional military after years of international sanctions designed to deprive them of one. They had no reason to do so, other than the personal religious fervour of their respective President and PM, as leaks years later showed in great detail.
The war and post-invasion chaos thanks to the complete lack of planning of any sort resulted in roughly five million people being displaced, mostly internationally, which resulted in following years in neighbouring states falling into war and chaos as a combination of drought, millions of refugees, and continuing fundamentalist hatred over the invasion of Iraq and following murder drone programs spawned violent internal rebellions that have spread from the resistance in Iraq.
The great western "peacekeepers" are now bombing those conflicts too, only can't seem to make up their mind exactly which side they're bombing. Ally Turkey rather likes to bomb anyone who starts to defeat DAESH. Ally Iran rather likes to bomb the Syrian government. DAESH keeps ending up with US manufactured and supplied weapons, via the CIA, but accidentally you understand, because you know, 's an accident, was only trying to support those other murderous religious fanatics that hate the west, in their quest to overthrow the local government and install 750 AD.
It is, you understand, not at all like Vietnam. That was randomly bombing innocent people to stop Communism, this is randomly bombing innocent people to stop Islamism. Totes different, m'kay.
But yeah, sure, look out, because the PM of Russia has an opinion of the French election, and China has a naval base in a neighbouring country that asked them to build one there.
Like, Putan's an autocratic asshole who panders to the orthodox church and hates on the Muslims too, totally thinks the Russian conquests of northern Persia of the 19th century should stick around, and is totally pissed at NATO breaking every single agreement they made with Russia around the end of the USSR, and so on. But at least he fucking drops bombs on the people everyone seems to agree needs bombs dropped on them, and not wedding parties and funerals targeting the families of "suspects", and supports the government of the place those bad people are fighting against. His actions do what he says he's doing, rather than the opposite of that, you might say.
In Ukraine, right on the border of Russia, there was a coup, and the US and Germany seemed to be rather supportive of that coup. Reasons again somewhat obscure. And those guys were Nazis, with murder squads and talk of genocidal wars against ethnic Russians and stuff. So the US and Germany helped install a Nazi government on the border of Russia, just recently. Obama and Merkel (the one who likes dismantling Greece because of traditional German racism), but man, that Putin, what is up with him, crazy guy, like he's all "you support Nazis over here, let's see how you fucking like it".
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Post by Kaelik » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:30 am

I love that in Tussocks alternate dimension Russia didn't annex Crimea, and it's the US, not Russia, that bombs people fighting against ISIS who they politically disagree with.
Hey how's that going for the Free Syrian Army? And remember that time the Russians bombed a US and British base just for shits and giggles?
But no sure, Russia are the good guys, and haven't done anything wrong...
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Post by Koumei » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:38 am

How about the time Russians murdered a guy overseas with polonium, then in the ensuing arguments started test-flying their bombers into British airspace and some other country had to talk sense into them and use diplomacy to calm everyone down?
I bet this third country must have been the super good guys, like China or something.
Oh right, it was the US, shortly after Obama gained power.

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Post by maglag » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:04 pm

Nobody listened, Koumei
Because Russia is still flying bombers near Britain and the royal air force are the ones intercepting them.
Also Obama did an excellent job calming things in Syria for the whole 3 or so years the civil war raged before Putin decided to start bombing actual terrorists for a change.
When not pushing forward the mass-production of killer robots.
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Post by tussock » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:52 am

Yes, Russia annexed Crimea, that is correct. They gave the people of Crimea Russian citizenship and freedom of movement within Russia, after a referendum asking them if they would rather live under the Nazis from the US/German-backed coup who were still joking about murdering all ethnic Russians while actually murdering unionists and anyone else insufficiently right wing, or maybe just be part of Russia instead.
I get that is against the rules, you're not allowed to offer parts of neighbouring countries safe harbour in your own, you're supposed to let the people be driven out by force and keep them at your own expense as refugees, while wagging fingers and being all po-faced about things and that's worked super-well everywhere it's been tried, honest. But that rule is exceptionally stupid in the face of actual Nazis.
FSA?

> As of 2016, the term "Free Syrian Army" does not denote any form of coherent organization, but has become a promotional label which militia factions in the Syrian Civil War arbitrarily use or reject. It is associated with a warlordist form of political power arrangements.

You're concerned about your fantasy of "organised" warlords who are randomly murdering their way through Syria and Iraq with the occasional support of the US government. Fuck those guys.
How about the time Russia murdered that one guy, and maybe that other one guy, yep. That's totally a bad thing and not at all comparable to the tens of thousands of extra-judicial executions of "terrorist-linked" (honest) folks carried out by the US during the Obama regime, and the thousands more held without charge or trial for years of torture, occasionally to be released and executed by those same drones, because that is totally not murder. No, because those people were in Pakistan and Yemen and Iraq and Syria and other places that can't stop the US randomly murdering it's civilians without charge or trial. So it doesn't count. Also, that Russian guy was pretty white, when you think about it.
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Post by Kaelik » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:22 pm

So... we know Putin bombs the right people, because by definition anyone Putin bombs should have been bombed, but we know the US bombs the wrong people in Syria because by definition anyone the US bombs is the wrong people.
Look Donald Trump, maybe we will listen to you when you have a coherent explanation based on something besides how much money Putin has given you.

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Post by tussock » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:14 pm

I'm pretty sure this place has had the discussion about how militias taking over from government in armed uprisings is almost universally shit. That there are exceptions, but very, very few governments have ever been as bad as the best and kindest warlords.
That the sort of governments imposed by warlords should they ever actually gain full control (which they rarely do), are universally terrible. For generations after.
Russia, in Syria, is supporting the established government.
The US, in Syria, is supporting the warlord's militias to overthrow that government.
Both, in Syria, oppose DAESH.
Your argument, if you want to make one, and I can see you slowly retreating already, is that the warlord militias of Syria are such a massively better deal for the Syrian people that you would put their country through years of war to support them against the government, even though no one knows who the fuck is on anyone's side because it changes all the time, and a lot of those guys totally just fight with DAESH when convenient. And that argument is shit.
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Post by Kaelik » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:26 pm

No Tussock, see again, we, the people who are not stupid, are capable of saying "The US and Russia both have done bad things" so I don't need to make any specific argument that "hey, maybe it would be better if we didn't bomb the people fighting ISIS until after we beat ISIS."
My argument is merely that if some idiot were to make both of these statements in the same post:

> tussock wrote:The great western "peacekeepers" are now bombing those conflicts too, only can't seem to make up their mind exactly which side they're bombing.
> ...
> But at least [Putin] fucking drops bombs on the people everyone seems to agree needs bombs dropped on them

they would be an idiot, because the US doesn't bomb people fighting ISIS* and goes through a lot of trouble to try to convince the various parties to not fight each other, while Russia unequivocaly bombs people that not everyone seems to agree needs bombs dropped on them.
In particular, if the US and UK declare that some group should not have bombs dropped on them, then it sure seems like when Russia bombs those people, that not everyone agrees they should be bombed.
But of course, more specifically, Russia literally bombed a US and UK base far from the conflict zone just to force the US and UK to coordinate bombings in the future.
So again, your rampant Russian apologia is not particularly compelling or impressive.
*Except when Russia literally and actually totally literally bombs US facilities and threatens to do it again unless the US bombs a group fighting against ISIS with them.
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Post by Prak » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:27 pm

Tell me all about the wonderful government of Syria, Tussock.
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Post by Voss » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:46 pm

Also, 'actual Nazis.'
And who is defining the FSA as nonexistent? Sourceless quotes are the least convincing.
So, let's have some facts. Or barring that, some sense of reality... not some bizarre drug trip where everyone agrees with Putin.
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Post by Kaelik » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:11 pm

> Voss wrote:Also, 'actual Nazis.'
> And who is defining the FSA as nonexistent? Sourceless quotes are the least convincing.

His source is Wikipedia, which actually cites it's sources, and links to an article in the Turkey Pulse called "US backing ensures Arab-Kurd alliance in Syria will survive."
Which details assorted conflicts within and between the SDF, and says at one point:

> Liwa al-Tahrir, which arrived at Serekaniye three years ago and made an alliance with the YPG, took part in the operation to liberate Tell Abyad from IS in June 2015. Some sources say Liwa al-Tahrir did not approve leaving the control of Tell Abyad to a civilian assembly and wanted the militias to remain in charge. These military councils set up in areas controlled by the FSA had eventually become instruments of armed groups to rule the areas and produce warlords. This wasn’t allowed at Rojava.

Which is just about the only part of that article that could even remotely be support for the claims in the intro to the Wikipedia article, and which really isn't even that.
Of course, all of this is nonsense of the first degree, since claiming "The FSA used to be an organization bombed by Russia, and now all the members are part of other groups that are also being bombed by Russia" does nothing to contradict a sarcastic rejoinder to claims that Russia only bombs people that everyone agrees should be bombed with "ask the FSA how that's working out" any more than a sarcastic rejoinder to a claim that nuclear bombs are harmless with "ask Nagasaki". Dead people totally count against claims that nukes are harmless, and dead (or more accurately, heavily factionalized) organizations totally count against claims that Russia never bombed anyone who we didn't agree should be bombed.
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Post by maglag » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:45 pm

> Kaelik wrote: *Except when Russia literally and actually totally literally bombs US facilities and threatens to do it again unless the US bombs a group fighting against ISIS with them.

You mean the USA base that wasn't even supposed to be there?
Or maybe you mean the super-bestest USA are willing to collaborate with the evil and bloodthirsty Russia to bomb innocent terrorrists that have waged a most righteous civil war for how many years again?
I'm afraid you can't have it both ways. If the USA can be persuaded so easily to bomb someone, then they can hardly claim the moral high ground.

> Prak wrote:Tell me all about the wonderful government of Syria, Tussock.

Well, they're not being carpet-bombed by the USA, so better than Iraq/Philiphines/Germany. Not too shabby.

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Post by Kaelik » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:01 am

> maglag wrote:then [the US] can hardly claim the moral high ground.

Just out of curiosity, can you read? Is that a thing you can do? Because from this sentence, if someone really pushed me, I'd have to say no.

> maglag wrote:You mean the USA base that wasn't even supposed to be there?

Uh.... on what basis do you make that claim? Are the US and UK not allowed to train anti-ISIS forces? On what basis are you making that legal claim?

> maglag wrote:Or maybe you mean the super-bestest USA are willing to collaborate with the evil and bloodthirsty Russia to bomb innocent terrorrists that have waged a most righteous civil war for how many years again?

Again, the statement "Let's not bomb the Al-Qaeda groups fighting ISIS until after we beat ISIS, because they are the biggest problem" is not a prima facie terrible position. You can argue it's not the best position, and even compromise on it when Russia threatens to bomb you until you do, but none of that changes the fact that if one side says "Let's not bomb them, let's focus on ISIS" and the other side says "FUCK YOU! We will drop bombs on you until you drop bombs on them" that the statement: "Russia only bombs people who everyone agrees should be bombed" is patently false.
And of course, again, for literally the four thousandth time, recognizing flaws in other countries does not in fact require claims to US superiority. Technically, it would be possible to recognize flaws in the US without claiming Russia is super special awesome and never bombed anyone who shouldn't be bombed, but unlike all the people who never claimed that the US is perfect, Tussock really did claim that Russia was perfect.
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Post by Longes » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:13 am

> Kaelik wrote:Russia only bombs people who everyone agrees should be bombed

Kaelik, you keep using that phrase over and over again and I have no idea why. Who is this "everyone" that needs to agree on people to bomb? Obviously Syrian government gets a vote, but why should the US?
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Post by Kaelik » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:23 am

> Longes wrote:

> > Kaelik wrote:Russia only bombs people who everyone agrees should be bombed

> Kaelik, you keep using that phrase over and over again and I have no idea why. Who is this "everyone" that needs to agree on people to bomb? Obviously Syrian government gets a vote, but why should the US?

I guess that you are like, Russian, so maybe your patriotism makes you retarded or something, but this really isn't rocket science.
1) Tussock said everyone agreed that the people Russia has bombed are people who deserve to be bombed.
2) I said that was fucking stupid.
Now, I'm not sure why Tussock choose that standard, but he did, and I'm not obligated to prove some extremely walked back standard is wrong in order to prove that what he said is stupid.
Now to address your incredibly dumb point more directly, why the fuck does "The Syrian Government" get a vote in who Russia bombs? If your argument ignores international law like the UN security council, you know, that thing that gives the US and Russia a vote, but not Syria, and focuses on how Russia can bomb anyone they have the ability to drop bombs on and get away with it, then why the fuck does Syria get a vote?
And how do you comport that blanket permission for Russia to bomb the US and UK when it can get away with it with Tussocks earlier whining about how the evil US is bombing the wrong people? Shouldn't by definition anyone the US decides to bomb be the right people to bomb by this same realpolitik standard?
TL;DR: Tussock said dumb things that are dumb. I'm not obligated to elucidate a comprehensive complete universal theory of foreign policy to call him dumb.
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Post by DSMatticus » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:38 am

This is fucking absurd.
The 2014 Euromaidan Revolution did not have good guys. Yanukovych was a corrupt asshole who'd been cracking down on political dissent, pressuring the media, and consolidating power in the presidency - i.e., trying really hard to imitate big brother Putin. The people who toppled him did so with the support of genocidal fucks who wanted to see ethnic Russians murdered in the streets. Russia rolled armed forces into Crimea and called a "referendum" which resulted in a 97% vote for "be part of Russia." Spoiler: numbers that high never actually happen, it was fucking rigged. You are definitely not the good guys when your army marches across another country's border and stages an "election" for them. This is not to say the Euromaidan Revolution did not have victims - Crimeans, for example. It's not great being ethnic Russian while some of the people overthrowing your government are almost explicitly calling for the imprisonment or genocide of ethnic Russians. It's not great having a foreign military march across your borders and rig a referendum in which you totes ceded your sovereignty promise. There was no winning the revolution for them - just different flavors of shit.
But more importantly than all that, it is incredibly obvious that the events in the Ukraine were not a real threat to Russia. Russia has had and still has many neighbors that hate its fucking guts more than Ukraine ever did, and when that does result in real conflict (which isn't particularly often) Russia wins those conflicts decisively because 1) Russia has a bigger dick than its neighbors, 2) it does not give a fuck about whether the international community condones how it uses force, and 3) it has a strong nationalist element to its politics that makes such dick-waving politically advantageous at home. In fact, it's fairly fucking obvious that invading Crimea hurt their domestic national security interests, because now everyone in the region gets to wonder about - and worriedly prepare for - the possibility that they're next if they ever show any weakness, and the region is both less stable and more militarized than it was before.
There is no way to say that launching massive cyber espionage initiatives to influence elections in major western powers is the equivalent of anything that happened in Ukraine, or even a reasonable retaliation - particularly when you remember Russia's involvement in that conflict was to stage a fraudulent referendum in order to seize an autonomous region of another country. Retaliation? After that? Are you fucking kidding me? Their hands made it further into that cookie jar than anyone else's, and you're calling them out as the wronged party? There is certainly no way to say that the near bombing of US/UK military personnel (Russian bombers missed them by a matter of days, as I understand it) is fair game. Those are drastic and dangerous escalations; Russia is genuinely back to playing at brinkmanship in a way no other world power - not even China - is currently doing. They are marching us back to the Cold War era, and in the end we'll probably have to play it out the exact same way - point a bunch of guns and planes and nukes at eachother, isolate one another economically, and wait for someone to cry uncle. The U.S. wins that fight, because we have significantly greater economic influence - but the tension it leads to poses the very real risk of nuclear armageddon or rogue factions within the Russian military "losing" nuclear weapons. It's not a great outcome. But what the fuck else are you supposed to do when one power has demonstrated a willingness to bomb targets they ultimately knew were covert U.S. military installations and then provide a litany of conflicting excuses, let alone deliberately attempt to turn other major world powers into puppet states? That's not really precedented in modern politics. Major powers avoid directly fucking with one another specifically because we can ruin eachother, but Russia isn't playing by those rules anymore.
Globally, Putin is right now the BBEG. Not because invading Crimea and declaring himself democratically-elected liberator at gunpoint is particularly worse than the U.S. invading Iraq and declaring themselves democratically-elected liberators at gunpoint, but because Russia deliberately postures for war with the U.S. in order to earn concessions on the global stage, and that's going to kill billions of people if we don't stop him - or rather, convince him that it's in his best interests to stop. It's difficult to be more evil than "threatens to end the world in nuclear hellfire unless given a slightly bigger penis on the global stage and allowed to interfere with U.S. elections through cyberwarfare without retaliation," which is literally what Putin has threatened to do - hopefully toothlessly. That's fucking insane.
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Post by Kaelik » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:29 am

> DSMatticus wrote:There is certainly no way to say that the near bombing of US/UK military personnel (Russian bombers missed them by a matter of days, as I understand it) is fair game.

I have not found any specific statements about US personnel leaving, or the number present during the bombings.
20 of the 24 UK personnel left, but 4 of them were still there at the time of the bombing. The only casualties were Syrians, but since presumably the facility had drastically more Syrians than UK or US before the UK crew left and any US people did whatever they did, that isn't surprising.

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Post by Prak » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:11 am

> maglag wrote:

> > Prak wrote:Tell me all about the wonderful government of Syria, Tussock.

> Well, they're not being carpet-bombed by the USA, so better than Iraq/Philiphines/Germany. Not too shabby.

I actually don't know what you're trying to say here... that the government of Syria is not being carpet bombed by the US, makes it better than DAESH? And that Iraq, the Philipines and Germany are being carpet bombed by us?
That is... incredibly faint praise, but also, since when the fuck are we carpet bombing Germany?
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Post by Chamomile » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:41 am

> Prak wrote:That is... incredibly faint praise, but also, since when the fuck are we carpet bombing Germany?

I expect that maglag is equivocating between events barely within living memory and events that happened last Tuesday. In this case he is also quietly forgetting to mention that the UK and the Soviet Union were also involved in the bombing of Germany.
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Post by Maxus » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:55 am

> Chamomile wrote:

> > Prak wrote:That is... incredibly faint praise, but also, since when the fuck are we carpet bombing Germany?

> I expect that maglag is equivocating between events barely within living memory and events that happened last Tuesday. In this case he is also quietly forgetting to mention that the UK and the Soviet Union were also involved in the bombing of Germany.

And that Germany was being a bit of a dickhead at the time...
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Post by Prak » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:41 am

If we're talking WW2, was that carpetbombing? It did come to mind, but I'm not entirely sure what constitutes carpetbombing.
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