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Post by Whatever » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:25 pm

I think he's saying all mathematicians are virgins.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:30 pm

> Engineers aren't really respected because their job is essentially intellectual slave labor and in most cases they are interchangeable.

Engineer != technician. I worked as a technician before going into the UT program and I can tell you that the worlds are superficially the same but have a major difference. What's the difference? Technicians are supposed to know their area of expertise down cold, but aren't supposed to be involved in the design process. This isn't supposed to mean that technicians are stupid or lacking or inferior. Oftentimes technicians know their equipment better than the engineers who gave it to them. And of course a good engineer/technician workteam will get as much input as possible so that the design can be refined. And furthermore the lines can get blurred depending on how much slack the technicians get. A construction worker gets a lot of slack and can be almost indistinguishable from an engineer; a power plant worker or a tank operator gets almost none.
Or if that's a bit too theoretical, the difference between a technician and an engineer is like that between a GM that does not make house rules or rules adjustments outside the given parameters and the official game designer. And of course since, say, D&D has many many examples where the engineers are incompetent compared to the technician this should give people pause.
By the way. engineers are also not scientists. Scientists create, explore, and refine the methodology for which engineers and technicians work in. It's the difference between a biologist and a biomedical engineer.
Or as a tl;dr analogy of a tl;dr analogy, lawyers and police officers are technicians, lawmakers are engineers, political scientists and sociologists are -- well -- scientists. And obviously there's nothing stopping someone from being two or three categories.
All THAT said I disagree with your original assessment heavily even if you were talking about technicians. It'd be nice for technicians (and engineers and scientists) to be universally interchangeable within their field since it would increase productivity, but it's just plain not the case. We've all groaned when an anime team that adapts an existing work switches to a more incompetent studio. Or you can look at the NFL referee lockout scandal.

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by Mask_De_H » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:59 pm

> Lago PARANOIA wrote:...
> Logician: Mathematics are just applied logic.
> Philosopher: Logics are just applied philosophy.
> Sociology: Sociology is just applied philosophy.
> Psychologist: Sociology is just applied psychology.
> And the circle-jerk continues.

And they're all useless if they don't know how to write worth a damn. Bullshit majors uber alles.

> FrankTrollman wrote: Halfling women, as I'm sure you are aware, combine all the "fun" parts of pedophilia without any of the disturbing, illegal, or immoral parts.

> K wrote:That being said, the usefulness of airships for society is still transporting cargo because it's an option that doesn't require a powerful wizard to show up for work on time instead of blowing the day in his harem of extraplanar sex demons/angels.

> Chamomile wrote: See, it's because K's belief in leaving generation of individual monsters to GMs makes him Chaotic, whereas Frank's belief in the easier usability of monsters pre-generated by game designers makes him Lawful, and clearly these philosophies are so irreconcilable as to be best represented as fundamentally opposed metaphysical forces.

> Whipstitch wrote:You're on a mad quest, dude. I'd sooner bet on Zeus getting bored and letting Sisyphus put down the fucking rock.

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Post by Koumei » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:26 am

> echoVanguard wrote: Obligatory xkcd.

I've heard that before in the style of:
"Mathematics is just a bunch of numbers that has no bearing on the real world by itself.
Physics is taking pure math and then making it relevant to the real world.
Chemistry is taking physics and applying it, so it's less theoretical and more useful.
Biology is..."
Etc. Yes it was a Biologist who explained that one. Yes, he naturally stopped at Bio, leaving it as the greatest evolution of science.

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Post by Whatever » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:46 pm

I prefer this one. You can obviously modify it to add/remove disciplines, depending on whom you wish to mock more severely:
A school decided to have a conference with all of its professors, in Scotland. As they rode the train, they saw a black sheep out the window.
"Aha" says the Economist, "All the sheep in Scotland are black."
"No," says the Sociologist, "Most of the sheep in Scotland are black."
"No," says the Biologist, "Many sheep in Scotland are black."
"No," says the Chemist, "Some sheep in Scotland are black."
"No," says the Physicist, "There are sheep in Scotland, and at least one is black."
"No," says the Logician, "There is at least one sheep in Scotland, and it is black."
"No," says the Mathematician, "There is at least one sheep in Scotland, and it is black on the side facing the train."
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Post by Ancient History » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:52 pm

"No," says the Engineer, "You tell me how many black sheep you want in Scotland, and I'll figure out how to do it."
Deep Cuts In A Lovecraftian Vein
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Post by Emerald » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:46 pm

"No," says the Psychologist, "You tell me how many black sheep you want in Scotland, and I'll find a dozen random college students who will say on a survey that there are that many black sheep here."
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Post by Maxus » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:13 am

"Ha-ha!" says the College Student. "Me and some buddies painted a sheep black last night!"
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He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by DSMatticus » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:33 am

"No," says the Game Designer. "Scotland's sheep aren't released yet. They'll be in the next splatbook, 'It's Drunk Outside.'"
or
"No," says Mearls. "the feel of the sheep is more important than the color."
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Post by Maxus » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:32 am

> DSMatticus wrote: "No," says Mearls. "the feel of the sheep is more important than the color."

He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Koumei » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:57 am

I have to say, reading up to find the first new post and seeing all these "No, said the ____", I expected an Atlas Shrugged parody.

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Post by Chamomile » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:11 pm

"No, says the man in Washington, the sheep is black because he is poor. No, says the man in the Vatican, it is black because of God. No, says the man in Moscow, it is black because everyone wants it that way. I chose a different option. I chose the impossible. I chose wool."
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