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Post by mean_liar » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:49 pm

I almost wonder if this is bannable.
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Post by Judging__Eagle » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:53 pm

no, we laugh about it. that's all.
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Post by Username17 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:11 pm

It even has competition for worst game.
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:31 pm

While FATAL does require over 100 die rolls just to select your fucking stats at CharGen, at least FATAL is playable compared to Racial Holy War.
I hesistate to even call RHA a game, since it apparently can't be completed. It'd be like making an jRPG that didn't have a health meter; it didn't matter what anything else the game did you could not all it an jRPG.
As far as the offensiveness factor goes, FATAL easily wins out over RHA. RHA is just like any setting where you kill bad guys who are stinky and hairy and stupid, only with the serial numbers filed off and exaggerated. Worse, it's only a slight exaggeration. FATAL's misogyny goes above and beyond the call of duty.
I'd say that FATAL wins readily but not crushingly. RHA just doesn't have that 'presence' that could propel it to worst RPG ever.

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Post by Judging__Eagle » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:30 am

Wow... RHA is... interesting. The way that it uses stats seems interesting, it's badly done, but could be used.
Wraeththu is..... I have no idea. It's disturbing.
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Post by Cynic » Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:57 am

> mean_liar wrote:I almost wonder if this is bannable.

I wonder if you were scared to put this in the other forum? :-P
edit: the image seems... to have been editted or my ad-blocker is getting damned good. I didn't even catch that there was an image until I quoted you.
On Fatal -- I remember trying to make a character one day, and threw my dice at the wall in revulsion after a bit of reading. But Eagle, interesting is an understatement of the year.
I remember RHA being talked about several months ago. So did it just break up because of incongruity or revulsion among the makers? Anyone brave enough to find out?
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Post by Prak » Wed Jul 08, 2009 5:21 am

> Judging__Eagle wrote:Wow... RHA is... interesting. The way that it uses stats seems interesting, it's badly done, but could be used.

I actually rather like the intimidation concept... now I just need to competently craft it into an actual codified rule and try it out...

> Wraeththu is..... I have no idea. It's disturbing.

and I actually kinda like the concept of Wraethu... but then I'm a bisexual male who likes bishonen, has horrible body image, and pretty much hates being human.... really it's this line of the review:

> Like somebody pointed out on the rpg.net forums, the Wraeththu make good villains

that best puts it, they're damned good as villains, and I love playing villainous characters, hence why I can put up with most of the shit...
...there's also the fact that the review actually took a good while to get to the point "oh yeah, you spend most of your time forcibly changing your enemies and screwing your buddies"... so my opinion was mostly formed before that point...
The concept of the Wraeththu is interesting... now if the writer had been a competent world builder and not made the Wraeththu's primary diversions (and time involvements) the same as those of the (Vampire) Lost Boys, maybe the game could be more interesting... I mean... yeah, sure, we're all pretty familiar with playing murderous hobos whose diversions are a)getting fucked up at the tavern and b)fucking something that just moved...
wait... why do the Wraeththu seem so petty? Basically you play a D&D character in a modern setting who happens to be from a hermaphroditic vampire race... oh... it's because when you put it in those terms it's... dumb.
god dammit... I don't need a project.. why the hell did I have to learn about Wraeththu, find a concept seed I like, and then get the urge to fix it?
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Post by Koumei » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:49 am

Aren't all the "enemies" actually superior to the PCs in RaHoWa due to their special abilities that PCs can't get?

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Post by Prak » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:51 am

> Koumei wrote:Aren't all the "enemies" actually superior to the PCs in RaHoWa due to their special abilities that PCs can't get?

well that and the fact that the special abilities actually have concrete rules.
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Post by Prak » Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:52 am

> Koumei wrote:Aren't all the "enemies" actually superior to the PCs in RaHoWa due to their special abilities that PCs can't get?

well that and the fact that the special abilities actually have concrete rules.
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Post by Absentminded_Wizard » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:21 am

Oh yes, RoHoWa was really amusing. I believe we concluded that one Asian teamed with a number of Jews equal to the party size were unstoppable (well, assuming the Jews had enough money; but I'm not sure there were any rules for money in the game).
FATAL has to win the prize for bringing together the prime examples of each of the two awful gamer stereotypes: The nerd who wants you to roll a hundred dice to get a more perfect bell curve, and the pervert whose fantasy world is filled with nothing but bizarre sex jokes.

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> Standard Action Melee Weapon ("sword", range 10/20)
> Target: One Creature
> Attack: Con vs AC
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Post by Mask_De_H » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:13 pm

I actually DM'ed a game of FATAL.
It was a joke one-shot for /tg/, and I was kinda drunk. I normally have little trouble grokking complex game systems but my brain just kept shutting down every time I got more than three pages in. We ended up hacking it into a d20 system and going nuts.
I distinctly remember prehensile clitorii.

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Post by mean_liar » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:03 pm

Pic updated!
YOU HAVE TO GRAB YOUR TARGET BY THE BALLS TO CAST THIS SPELL.
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Post by Koumei » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:58 am

> Absentminded_Wizard wrote:Oh yes, RoHoWa was really amusing. I believe we concluded that one Asian teamed with a number of Jews equal to the party size were unstoppable (well, assuming the Jews had enough money; but I'm not sure there were any rules for money in the game).

Ooh, that's right, now I remember!
And I just saw the pic. Wow. I'm not sure whether I'm more horrified by the concept, puzzled by the uselessness of the spell (aside from providing a non-biting way to feed vampires, I guess) or annoyed by the incompetence of a writer who includes "To be determined" in the so-called finished product!

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Post by Prak » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:04 am

I took "to be determined" as meaning, basically, "varies"
yeah, it is an extremely odd spell... especially in a game where the object is to kill and rape your way to power...
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Post by Absentminded_Wizard » Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:04 am

Did FATAL ever make it to a final version? I thought it was permanently stuck in Pathfinder-style beta.

> Doom314's satirical 4e power wrote:Complete AnnihilationWar-metawarrior 1
> An awesome bolt of multicolored light fires from your eyes and strikes your foe, disintegrating him into a fine dust in a nonmagical way.
> At-will: Martial, Weapon
> Standard Action Melee Weapon ("sword", range 10/20)
> Target: One Creature
> Attack: Con vs AC
> Hit: [W] + Con, and the target is slowed.

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Post by mean_liar » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:57 pm

That's my understanding as well - though apparently at a later stage it was renamed to "From Another Time, Another Land", and my PDF copy only has it as "Fantasy Adventure To Adult Lechery".
Flipping through its pages, I see that only a small percentage of its 900+ pages are related to this sort of silliness, though its peppered throughout. "Ejaculate Blood", "Anal Circumference" determination charts, miscast spells that result in your next shit animating and trying to kill you...
The game isn't Rapefest 9000 or anything, but it is clearly designed to mechanically support a campaign of Devil Rapelords vs Demon Murderers down to tiny details like whether you can CAN insert THAT in THERE.
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