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Post by shadzar » Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:22 pm

Customers are told vastly different things than employees. So an employee must remember to lie to the customer so as not to give away the "secrets". Like the microwave. All fast food joints are like that unless they make stuff to-order. I don't know of any coffee made to order. It sits in the urn all day long getting stronger and hotter as time passes. Waffle House coffee gets so strong it can get up walk over and serve itself because how big the urn is. :yuck:
So what is said in advertising is just to get people to buy it, not why it is actually done that way. Remember the McDLT. You can still order them at most, but it was not mixed because it was cost saving to not close the burger, not because it kept "the cold side cold, and the hot side hot". It was a trial in making all burgers that way to save a step in closing the burger, that didn't pan out.
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> Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.

> Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.

good read (Note to self Maxus sucks a barrel of cocks.)
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Post by Maj » Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:44 pm

> Violence in the Media wrote:I thought the line they used at the time was that they kept it that hot to "maintain optimal taste quality" or something to that effect.

While it's difficult to imagine the bilge water that McD's used to serve (They now serve Seattle's Best) requiring the maintenance of optimal taste, for coffee brewing - getting that perfect cup - it's recommended to use water that's upwards of 195 degrees F. And holding temp is recommended to be around 185.
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Post by tzor » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:32 pm

> shadzar wrote:Customers are told vastly different things than employees. So an employee must remember to lie to the customer so as not to give away the "secrets". Like the microwave. All fast food joints are like that unless they make stuff to-order. I don't know of any coffee made to order. It sits in the urn all day long getting stronger and hotter as time passes. Waffle House coffee gets so strong it can get up walk over and serve itself because how big the urn is. :yuck:

Waffle House coffee can get strong (one moved into Key West the year before I left) but nothing can compare to the strength of the slop bucket of the Cuban American coffee houses from all the leftover Cuban espresso. It’s why the old man went back to the sea (or rather how because that stuff is so strong it will drive anyone to feats of strength).

> shadzar wrote:So what is said in advertising is just to get people to buy it, not why it is actually done that way. Remember the McDLT. You can still order them at most, but it was not mixed because it was cost saving to not close the burger, not because it kept "the cold side cold, and the hot side hot". It was a trial in making all burgers that way to save a step in closing the burger, that didn't pan out.

The McDLT came at the end of the McDonald / Wendy’s wars. (Remember “Where’s the Beef?”) And was a response to Wendy’s campaign of being “fresher” than McDonald. It was, ironically, the last gasp of the “age of Styrofoam.” (It was around this time that the movement to ban all Styrofoam from fast food packaging was being made.) Keep in mind that at the time, McDonalds was still in an urban mindset, and there was a need to pre-make burgers because general lunch hour rush times could outstrip production. Also there was, at the time, a greater desire to get the product as fast as possible. With recent diversification in the menu options, most burgers are assembled on the spot (although the burger patties can be pre-cooked).
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Post by Cynic » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:00 pm

> Maj wrote:

> > Violence in the Media wrote:I thought the line they used at the time was that they kept it that hot to "maintain optimal taste quality" or something to that effect.

> While it's difficult to imagine the bilge water that McD's used to serve (They now serve Seattle's Best) requiring the maintenance of optimal taste, for coffee brewing - getting that perfect cup - it's recommended to use water that's upwards of 195 degrees F. And holding temp is recommended to be around 185.

Wait a minute, they serve Starbucks coffee now?
Seattle's best is a starbucks subsidiary. This is absolutely hilarious because people kept saying that Starbucks isn't going to be able to make a buck because McD has fancy coffee now.

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Post by shadzar » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:05 pm

Tzor:
True. But after it ended, they kept the McDLT on the menu. It was the first attempt at made to order and thought it would work for everything. Now they actually have made to order McDonald's that use different methods of getting the food ready faster than a queuing over, and keep it fresh. It does take a bit longer, but saves much more money with the fresh than the cost of the heat lamps.
But it just goes to prove that corporations will say anything to anyone to sell them on the idea they are promoting. Just today they can get caught up in the web of lies thanks to the internet. So they have to either keep the lies the same and simple for all, or just be honest for a chance.
I am glad that they chose honestly for the most part, and do miss that lady from the Wendy's commercials. The burger patties were pre-cooked before they ever got to McD's as well, they just weren't browned. Since there was little to no meat in any of them it really doesn't matter. Why most people I know prefer McD's food to exlax.
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> Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.

> Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.

good read (Note to self Maxus sucks a barrel of cocks.)
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Post by Cynic » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:19 pm

I personally like Burger king only because they serve a god damned veggie pattie.

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Post by Koumei » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:09 pm

Last time that debate was dragged out, I believe it was Maj who declared that coffee has to be hot enough to be classified as an anti-tank weapon.
IIRC, PL was the one who responded with "I should be able to dip my cock in it without suffering burns."
Seriously, we've covered every angle of this debate.
And is Starbucks actually good in the US? Here in AU, it's considered the foulest substance known to humanity.

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Post by shadzar » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:27 pm

That is the same thing we say about Fosters beer. Actually we just call it roo-piss.
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Play the game, not the rules.

> Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.

> Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.

good read (Note to self Maxus sucks a barrel of cocks.)
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Post by Crissa » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:04 pm

Seattle's Best used to be a competitor of Starbucks. While they may be owned by the same company, they do not use the same suppliers. Starbuck's coffee is pretty harsh, but they do have more than one kind of if in their stores.
And in most of the US, McD's doesn't use precooked meat, although it is frozen. Their water comes from a trademarked system called 'Bunn' which is owned by a commercial kitchen supplier. The only reason they use 195F water is because that's where they get all their 'boiling' hot water, and it's cheaper to always use the same source. You will find such a hot water system in almost every chain kitchen in the world.
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Post by tzor » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:09 am

> Crissa wrote:And in most of the US, McD's doesn't use precooked meat, although it is frozen. Their water comes from a trademarked system called 'Bunn' which is owned by a commercial kitchen supplier. The only reason they use 195F water is because that's where they get all their 'boiling' hot water, and it's cheaper to always use the same source. You will find such a hot water system in almost every chain kitchen in the world.

Most Bunn systems take cold water as input and heat it in the Bunn system, but apparently the Bunn systems are designed to heat the water to the same temperature 195F. It still doesn't explain why the coffee from the Bunn system at work doesn't seem as scalding hot as what I got at a McDonalds on the interstate.
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Post by shadzar » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:14 am

All water heaters have a thermostat. Most are preset at the factory, and some change it to what they want. For example tap water is suggested not to be above 120 F.
Each Bunn can be set to another temperature within the range of the "machine".
http://www.bunncoffeemakers.net/Bunn-Co ... rewers.htm
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Play the game, not the rules.

> Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.

> Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.

good read (Note to self Maxus sucks a barrel of cocks.)
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Post by Josh_Kablack » Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:21 am

Family Guy too edgy for Windows 7
If this OS can't even handle a couple off-color jokes, how are we supposed to believe it can handle the porn-surfing requirements of the typical user?
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Post by Crissa » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:13 am

That's okay, the Family Guy content that was previewed was really, really bad.
It's not that I like the show or anything, but usually it makes me laugh. This was... Bad bad. It was rehashing of previous jokes which were only funny because they were previous jokes.
Running jokes have to be at least funny the first time you see it, whenever that may be. Not just funny once ever.
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Post by Count Arioch the 28th » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:22 am

Family Guy has taken a shit recently. American Dad started cruddy, but seems to be getting better. The Cleveland Show is not very funny.
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Post by Prak » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:30 am

I actually haven't seen any of the Cleveland show, though I've heard it's pretty lackluster. Though Family Guy took a little bit to find it's niche.
Which it's been wearing down for the past couple seasons. At least.
Though I just found out about the "Quagmire rapes Marge Simpson" thing today... that's the style Family Guy does best, it seems, the "Oh my god, this is horrible, but it's hilarious..."
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Post by Draco_Argentum » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:58 am

> shadzar wrote:That is the same thing we say about Fosters beer. Actually we just call it roo-piss.

Fosters is the butt of jokes here for being shit. We export it to show contempt for the rest of the world.
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Post by Count Arioch the 28th » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:14 am

Yeah, I heard that Fosters is the Natural Light of Australia. It's not bad stuff, but it's too expensive for pisswater beer. I
d rather drink a PBR for $0.50 a can.
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Post by Heath Robinson » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:16 am

And on the note of Microsoft and Australia...
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/stor ... 02,00.html
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Post by shadzar » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:36 am

So the police tried to crack W7, and weren't able to so blame Microsoft for it being too secure?
Heaven forbid someone breaks into a school database and get a copy of an address book in it or something. I think the more secure info is the better.
Nice reverse engineering attempt there Australia. This is the reason we can't have a nice OS.
Windows 8 will come with identity theft pre-loaded with the OS.
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> Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.

> Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.

good read (Note to self Maxus sucks a barrel of cocks.)
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Post by tzor » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:37 pm

> Draco_Argentum wrote:

> > shadzar wrote:That is the same thing we say about Fosters beer. Actually we just call it roo-piss.

> Fosters is the butt of jokes here for being shit. We export it to show contempt for the rest of the world.

Bah; I still have fond memories of Fosters with their large cans and the waitress in the Australian themed restaurant that went around in a kangaroo costume. None of the actual beer, just the large can and the girl.
But you will never know the horror of real Piss Water until you tasted BEER* and, thanks be to God, you never will.
* In the early 80’s there was a “Generic” craze in the United States, companies using plain white packaging with mere a simple label of the contents. It was sold by the Price Chopper grocery chain. (As opposed to the Generic Beer sold by the Midwestern Kroger chain which I never sampled.)
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Post by CatharzGodfoot » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:38 pm

> tzor wrote:(As opposed to the Generic Beer sold by the Midwestern Kroger chain which I never sampled.)

This is totally beside any point, but Kroger isn't much of a Midwestern chain. They have far more stores in the Northwest, West, Southwest, Southeast, and South. No stores at all in Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, or the Dakotas (they also lack a presence in the Northeast and Florida).
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Post by shadzar » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:49 pm

Try Budweiser....but then all beer tastes like piss to me. You would have to be drunk to drink that shit.
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> Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.

> Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.

good read (Note to self Maxus sucks a barrel of cocks.)
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Post by Meikle641 » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:05 pm

I've recent begun to try wheat beers, myself. I'm not a fan of most mainstream ones, but I tried "White Rabbit" (a Blue Moon knockoff) while at CTCon in Hartford and liked it.
Most beer has been unpalatable to me.
Also, this talk of generic beer makes me think of Ontario's (Canada's?) chain: The Beer Store. It's exactly what it says on the sign.
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Post by shadzar » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:22 pm

The Beer Store? Wouldn't that be called a bar?
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> Swordslinger wrote:Or fuck it... I'm just going to get weapon specialization in my cock and whip people to death with it. Given all the enemies are total pussies, it seems like the appropriate thing to do.

> Lewis Black wrote:If the people of New Zealand want to be part of our world, I believe they should hop off their islands, and push 'em closer.

good read (Note to self Maxus sucks a barrel of cocks.)
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Post by Crissa » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:22 pm

Kroger started in the midwest, and owns many other stores.
The chains they own in the west are just sad, you really don't want to buy food at Lucky or Fred Meyer unless you treat it like buying at 7-11 - convenience only. Fred Meyer is okay, but Kroger has so few deals with western suppliers that their stuff is both very un-environmental (having been shipped across the country twice) and more expensive.
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