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Post by Prak » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:12 pm

I've been reading through the Girl Genius archives (yes, I know, I'm almost a decade late to the party)
Pretty much any time Jagerkin are on"screen" is awesome, especially when they have actual lines. I'm liking the three brothers that were introduced being hanged.
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Post by Maxus » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:10 am

> Prak_Anima wrote:I've been reading through the Girl Genius archives (yes, I know, I'm almost a decade late to the party)
> Pretty much any time Jagerkin are on"screen" is awesome, especially when they have actual lines. I'm liking the three brothers that were introduced being hanged.

Hah.
They aren't brothers, though. Just, you know, nerd-fact.
Just you wait until Castle Heterodyne...
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Prak » Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:06 am

huh, could have sworn they'd called themselves brothers, though that may have been a "race brothers" thing. And I just got fully caught up with the storyline. Castle Heterodyne is awesome.
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Post by Maxus » Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:10 am

My sister hooked me up with a series that's sort of Dresden-esque. Darker and freakier, though.
If you crossed Planescape with World of Darkness and colored it in neon and black, it'd be close to the Nightside.
I'm seriously tempted to type up the first few paragraphs from a chapter. It's just that...wow.
Look it up. Simon R. Green. First book is "Something From the Nightside."
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by TOZ » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:02 pm

I read Nightengale's Lament. Green is pretty good light reading.
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Post by Crissa » Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:29 pm

The three Jager-kin do call each other brothers, though.
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Post by Prak » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:17 am

And They certainly act it too. But then there are friends that are like that too, so... but I fucking love those three... and the Hat they gave Gil.
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Post by Maxus » Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:22 am

The trio...well, the purple one, Maxim, is the youngest by a century or so.
The Jagers are all genetically human, but transformed by a Jekyll/Hyde-like brew made by one of the old Heterodynes. It's permanent, and risky, procedure which can leave you dead, insane, or crippled.
But in about three in ten make it through okay, and come out with the trademark physical toughness of the Jagers and they pretty much don't age.
But I tell anyone this: Go back and re-read the series once you catch up. Wait a week or something. Then start over. See how much crap you catch now that you missed before.
There's *tons* of foreshadowing and extras.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Prak » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:04 am

> Maxus wrote:The trio...well, the purple one, Maxim, is the youngest by a century or so.
> The Jagers are all genetically human, but transformed by a Jekyll/Hyde-like brew made by one of the old Heterodynes. It's permanent, and risky, procedure which can leave you dead, insane, or crippled.
> But in about three in ten make it through okay, and come out with the trademark physical toughness of the Jagers and they pretty much don't age.
> But I tell anyone this: Go back and re-read the series once you catch up. Wait a week or something. Then start over. See how much crap you catch now that you missed before.
> There's *tons* of foreshadowing and extras.

heh, I hadn't quite caught that Jaeger's were transformed humans. They seem to breed true though...
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Post by Maxus » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:21 am

> Prak_Anima wrote:

> > Maxus wrote:The trio...well, the purple one, Maxim, is the youngest by a century or so.
> > The Jagers are all genetically human, but transformed by a Jekyll/Hyde-like brew made by one of the old Heterodynes. It's permanent, and risky, procedure which can leave you dead, insane, or crippled.
> > But in about three in ten make it through okay, and come out with the trademark physical toughness of the Jagers and they pretty much don't age.
> > But I tell anyone this: Go back and re-read the series once you catch up. Wait a week or something. Then start over. See how much crap you catch now that you missed before.
> > There's *tons* of foreshadowing and extras.

> heh, I hadn't quite caught that Jaeger's were transformed humans. They seem to breed true though...

Yeah. Any offspring of a Jager is a human. The Jagers are still genetically human, honestly. It's why Ognian has that great-great-great-grandson--who's the in-universe version of one of the authors, Phil Foglio.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Prak » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:29 am

yeah, I caught the in universe author, I used to read What's New With Phil and Dixie in Dragon, though I figured he was the result of Jaeger/Human interbreeding, though I suppose that level of genetics isn't clarified in the story.
on a side note, reading the GG archives has actually knocked my costume ideas for halloween this year down a peg, as Jaegger has supplanted Spider Jerusalem, somehow...
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Post by Username17 » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:59 am

I was deeply intrigued by This Comic and decided to check out Fringe. I watched the entire series so far, and I am glad that I did. Joel's complaint about the ignoring of the metaplot is valid, but really only for the second season. The first season marches steadily along with the viewer being given enough clues to figure out what's going on in a lot of cases at just th right pace so that when the main characters figure something out it feels like delicious confirmation and th main characters do not feel stupid for failing to "get it" until then.
The second season does have the unfortunate habit of doing mysteries that are not really related to the army of shapeshifters from another dimension that are trying to destroy our reality, which I also would think would be our number one priority. There is some delicious character development in some of them, and a few you could plausibly see why the characters might initially suspect them of being pattern related - but it's kind of a let down after you realize that out of 15 second season episodes, 8 of them are filler for everything except character development. Still, it's a testament to the show's draw that you are left wanting more plot development and more character development.
After the first couple episodes, I even stopped hating that actor from Dawson's Creek. Crazy.
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Post by Jilocasin » Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:06 am

> That Website wrote:John “Denethor” Noble as Walter Bishop is the most unique and enthralling character on TV since Hugh Laurie as House. I could watch that man read the phone book, or rake leaves or eat a whole chicken while a sad Hobbit sings him a song. ANYTHING would be fine. He just pulls you in and hypnotizes you with his crazy only man face and deep, rumbling old man voice.

That pretty much nails it for me.
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Post by Maxus » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:54 am

http://www.thatchickensite.com/letters/shreddersmom/
I remember that episode.
Nostalgia.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Post by Crissa » Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:55 am

Fringe was horrid if you watched it as it aired, though. You got like five minutes of show for the hour you invested in it.
-Crissa
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Post by CatharzGodfoot » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:35 pm

Axe Cop
The law in its majestic equality forbids the rich as well as the poor from stealing bread, begging and sleeping under bridges.
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Mount Flamethrower on rear
Drive in reverse
Win Game.
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Post by God_of_Awesome » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:48 pm

> CatharzGodfoot wrote:Axe Cop

What- I don't even- Huh!?
Frank on the Fighter (Abridged)

> FrankTrollman wrote:

> > God_of_Awesome wrote: Could I inquire on the motive behind the design decisions on the Fighter class?

> ...
> The Fighter is intended to be, like the Wizard, a character who can and does adapt their tactics to the opposition and draws upon player experience to deliver tactical victories. And to do it without "feeling" like it was using Magic.
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> So honestly, when someone tells me "I know the game backwards and forwards, and when I pull out all the stops with the Fighter I totally win!" And my response is "OK, good." Because that's exactly what people report with the Wizard too.
> -Username17

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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:46 pm

One of my friends, who is a huge Pokemon addict, showed me a clip where some guy named Paul completely demolishes a gym leader (Maylene) and then hurts her feelings by being rude.
I've never watched Pokemon, ever, but that was so awesome I'm thinking about picking up the series just so I can watch Paul be an asshole while simultaneously getting his asshole comeuppance.
So can people point me towards moments where Paul is a huge jerkface so I can look them up on YouTube?
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> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by Surgo » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:08 am

Why is it that guys who play to win are always depicted as complete assholes in media? Do we have an example where that doesn't happen?
http://www.dnd-wiki.org -- the wiki
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:28 am

> Surgo wrote: Why is it that guys who play to win are always depicted as complete assholes in media?

Some preliminary research shows that what elevates Paul above the typical 'play to win' asshole is that he completely curbstomps his opposition while his 'believe in your heart' rival constantly fails to catch up.
I like this guy already.

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by angelfromanotherpin » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:53 am

> Surgo wrote:Why is it that guys who play to win are always depicted as complete assholes in media? Do we have an example where that doesn't happen?

The Pharoah from Yu-Gi-Oh plays to win pretty hardcore, and while he can sometimes be creepy, he's mostly shown in a sympathetic light.
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Post by Crissa » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:24 am

The thing that makes Paul unlikable is that he lives in the Pokemon world and actually talks trash to pokemon and treats them poorly.
That's not playing to win, that's Michael Vick style evil.
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Post by Sir Neil » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:50 pm

> God_of_Awesome wrote:

> > CatharzGodfoot wrote:Axe Cop

> What- I don't even- Huh!?

Maybe the chief would let me carry an axe....
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Post by Lago PARANOIA » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:14 pm

> Crissa wrote: That's not playing to win, that's Michael Vick style evil.

In the Pokemon universe, everyone is Michael Vick. Paul just cuts through the bullshit and tells it like it is.

> Josh Kablack wrote:Your freedom to make rulings up on the fly is in direct conflict with my freedom to interact with an internally consistent narrative. Your freedom to run/play a game without needing to understand a complex rule system is in direct conflict with my freedom to play a character whose abilities and flaws function as I intended within that ruleset. Your freedom to add and change rules in the middle of the game is in direct conflict with my ability to understand that rules system before I decided whether or not to join your game.
> In short, your entire post is dismissive of not merely my intelligence, but my agency. And I don't mean agency as a player within one of your games, I mean my agency as a person. You do not want me to be informed when I make the fundamental decisions of deciding whether to join your game or buying your rules system.

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Post by Prak » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:38 pm

> Lago PARANOIA wrote:

> > Crissa wrote: That's not playing to win, that's Michael Vick style evil.

> In the Pokemon universe, everyone is Michael Vick. Paul just cuts through the bullshit and tells it like it is.

Actually... there's a difference between putting an animal you love and have trained well into a fight with another animal, and abusing and beating animals into pure aggression. One is the standard pokemon trainer, the other is Michael Vick.
Hell, even Jesse and James loved their pokemon (of course I was convinced shortly through the first season that they're not really villain material and should have gone hero...)
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